klm617 wrote:FSDan wrote:FlyHappy wrote:
I am 100% aware that seasonality to beach destinations is an across the board phenomena, for US3 and the smaller players. Though how much of the TATL fleet is sent to beach duty beyond the 757's? what do UA/AA do with their greater number of widebodies in the winter?
For UA, many international widebodies have been sent through Polaris modifications during the winter. AA redeploys additional capacity to their South America network when transatlantic is down. DL and AA both have increased domestic and short haul beach market widebody flights in the winter season - UA not quite as much in my observations. Then there are the winter seasonal routes such as AA's LAX-AKL and JFK-GIG, UA's upcoming EWR-CPT and SFO-DEL, etc. etc.FlyHappy wrote:a) it is Delta leadership that loves to promote "Global", they seem to define it on their own special terms, while seeming to shrink presence in rising/competitive markets.
b) kudos to DL for serving JNB and what, Dakar? Really, I mean it.
c) where did I ever opine that AA or UA are "Global" ? I merely pointed out that UA has Asia point of sale (and legacy of Pan Am ops), and AA has Latin Am point of sale (and strong legacy there). In contrast, DL has backed away from the NWA Asia legacy (right or wrong).
d) BA/EK/QR - yes, they probably are "Global", and they have no real domestic ops to speak of, so by default, geography, aggressive tactics, and state backing, yes - they are global. I'm not glamorizing it, just seems factual.
a) I guess I still haven't heard a good reason why they shouldn't call themselves "Global"... They fly 200+ international routes and serve 50+ countries on all 6 populated continents. Seems "global" to me, at least until I hear further definitions of how many cities on each continent must be served, or how many U.S. hubs need to be connected to said cities in order for it to count as legitimate service.
b) To reiterate what another poster provided, DL serves JNB, LOS, ACC, and DSS in Africa. At various points over the last 10-15 years, they've also tried out service to CPT, ABV, ROB, and CAI, and had planned others such as LAD, NBO, and SSG. The four destinations they still fly to are the ones that proved stable and profitable. I expect DL does have significant point of sale traffic from Africa, as they've served the market continuously for over 10 years, and have been one of few nonstop options to the U.S.
c) My apologies if I've projected opinions from other posters onto you. My general impression in this thread has been that a decent number of posters consider UA and AA to be global while DL isn't, and that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
Let's be honest here the only true global airlines are the airlines from Europe. They serve every corner of the universe unlike many Asian , South American and North American carriers and if we did tag any of the US3 as a global airline it would be UA not AA or DL. Through their partnerships they become more diverse but in no way global in the sense like Pan Am was in it's hayday
Can you please provide any facts to substantiate your claims.