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Why doesn’t UA fly an Airbus Widebody?

Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:52 pm

Why doesn’t United fly an Airbus widebody?
 
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Re: Why doesn’t UA fly an Airbus Widebody?

Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:53 pm

Because it wasn't the right aircraft at the right time?
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Re: Why doesn’t UA fly an Airbus Widebody?

Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:58 pm

Why don't they fly the space shuttle?
 
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Re: Why doesn’t UA fly an Airbus Widebody?

Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:06 pm

They have an order in for the Airbus A350 (forget what version) but deliveries don't start until 2022 I believe.

With UA's high satisfaction level with the 787, it wouldn't surprise me if they cancelled that order if the savings on a 787 order would offset the very high penalty that Airbus would charge them.
 
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Re: Why doesn’t UA fly an Airbus Widebody?

Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:13 pm

Why do IB and TAP fly no Boeing a/c?

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Re: Why doesn’t UA fly an Airbus Widebody?

Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:16 pm

Because they never needed them, same goes for PMUA, PMCO, PMDL and AA going forward.
 
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Re: Why doesn’t UA fly an Airbus Widebody?

Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:18 pm

Airbus tends to give better deals to American as they have a Most Favored Customer Clause. This means that Airbus refunds AA the difference of the amount of money payed by American for a plane compared to a lower price for another airline, such as United. This may be a factor.

But it's not like it won't happen. United ordered 45 350-1000s, now converted to 900s, which should be delivered and flying by 2022 to replace the smaller 777 variants.
 
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Re: Why doesn’t UA fly an Airbus Widebody?

Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:25 pm

Because Airbus doesn't simply give them away :stirthepot:
 
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Re: Why doesn’t UA fly an Airbus Widebody?

Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:29 pm

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They have an order in for the Airbus A350 (forget what version) but deliveries don't start until 2022 I believe.

With UA's high satisfaction level with the 787, it wouldn't surprise me if they cancelled that order if the savings on a 787 order would offset the very high penalty that Airbus would charge them.


United will not cancel the A350 because the 787 is not a perfect replacement for the pmUA 77Es.
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Re: Why doesn’t UA fly an Airbus Widebody?

Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:31 pm

UA857 wrote:
Why doesn’t United fly an Airbus widebody?


They will soon enough. Impatient?

But in the unlikely event they never do, so what? Tell us what the problem is; UA currently flies over 200 Airbus narrowbodies, so it isn't like they have a problem buying from Airbus.....
 
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Re: Why doesn’t UA fly an Airbus Widebody?

Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:39 pm

AC77X wrote:
Airbus tends to give better deals to American as they have a Most Favored Customer Clause. This means that Airbus refunds AA the difference of the amount of money payed by American for a plane compared to a lower price for another airline, such as United. This may be a factor.

But it's not like it won't happen. United ordered 45 350-1000s, now converted to 900s, which should be delivered and flying by 2022 to replace the smaller 777 variants.


a) that pricing clause does not apply to widebodies
b) AA only operates a token fleet of 24 A330 (none on order) no A350 (none on order), so pretty hard to see how it would apply
c) its not even established fact that MVC clause is true, only the none-detailed comments by Kirby
 
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Re: Why doesn’t UA fly an Airbus Widebody?

Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:05 pm

Continental honored the 1997 contract with Boeing not to buy Airbus for 20 years. United launched the 777 in the early nineties. Most will be replaced by A350s?
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Re: Why doesn’t UA fly an Airbus Widebody?

Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:13 pm

FlightLevel360 wrote:
N174UA wrote:
They have an order in for the Airbus A350 (forget what version) but deliveries don't start until 2022 I believe.

With UA's high satisfaction level with the 787, it wouldn't surprise me if they cancelled that order if the savings on a 787 order would offset the very high penalty that Airbus would charge them.


United will not cancel the A350 because the 787 is not a perfect replacement for the pmUA 77Es.


I would think the 787-10 is a fine replacement for the 77E.
 
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Re: Why doesn’t UA fly an Airbus Widebody?

Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:20 pm

UA has 45 A359's on order, replacing older 777s.

Don't know how UA is gonna make that work - isn't the A359 too capable of a plane to replace the domestic 777s? It makes sense for sectors like SFO-LHR which are operated by 200-ER's. It makes little sense for the domestic sectors like LAX-DEN. Even 78Js are too much. Maybe these domestic 777 routes will be replaced by more frequent runs of 737 MAX 10?
 
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Re: Why doesn’t UA fly an Airbus Widebody?

Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:41 pm

Why did they cancel the A350-1000? They should have kept the B747-400s for a few years longer and replace them with the A350-1000 which is more advanced than the B777-300ER
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Re: Why doesn’t UA fly an Airbus Widebody?

Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:50 pm

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Why did they cancel the A350-1000? They should have kept the B747-400s for a few years longer and replace them with the A350-1000 which is more advanced than the B777-300ER


Fleet commonality was probably a factor. UA already had experience with the 777 family, being one of the first operators of the type back in the 1990s. Significantly less effort and cost to bring on the 77W versus bringing in the A35K at that time. Still a factor today, with how that A359 order is still of questionable status with how UA seems to be doubling down with the 787 family.
 
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Re: Why doesn’t UA fly an Airbus Widebody?

Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:56 pm

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Why did they cancel the A350-1000? They should have kept the B747-400s for a few years longer and replace them with the A350-1000 which is more advanced than the B777-300ER

The cost to modify the 744 to comply with the FAAs AD was determined to be cost prohibitive. Boeing also gave them a sweet deal for some 77Ws with a much earlier delivery window so it worked out well for UA to replace the 744 with the 773.

Looking at it on paper the A359 is the perfect replacement for a 77E so it males total sense to switch from the 1000, especially if the 1000 was meant to replace the 744.

If you wanna go wayyyyyyy down the road, we could see this repeat with the 777X replacing the 77W/359.
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Re: Why doesn’t UA fly an Airbus Widebody?

Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:12 pm

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Continental honored the 1997 contract with Boeing not to buy Airbus for 20 years.


That’s a logical fallacy. CO had an all-Boeing fleet because they hired an ex-Boeing executive who initially ordered Boeing and made it a goal to simplify the fleet to the 737NG, 757/767 and 777. CO had, by far, the smallest mainline fleet of the legacies (with around 310-330 aircraft during the 2000s). Switching to Airbus really didn’t make sense.

United launched the 777 in the early nineties. Most will be replaced by A350s?


Old UA ordered the 359 a decade ago; its been modified and deferred several times since. Allegedly, cancellation penalties are very favorable to UA. I wouldn’t be surprised if the order is ultimately cancelled, and most of the deposits are placed with a 321XLR order.
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Re: Why doesn’t UA fly an Airbus Widebody?

Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:16 pm

compensateme wrote:
keesje wrote:
Continental honored the 1997 contract with Boeing not to buy Airbus for 20 years.


That’s a logical fallacy. CO had an all-Boeing fleet because they hired an ex-Boeing executive who initially ordered Boeing and made it a goal to simplify the fleet to the 737NG, 757/767 and 777. CO had, by far, the smallest mainline fleet of the legacies (with around 310-330 aircraft during the 2000s). Switching to Airbus really didn’t make sense.

United launched the 777 in the early nineties. Most will be replaced by A350s?


Old UA ordered the 359 a decade ago; its been modified and deferred several times since. Allegedly, cancellation penalties are very favorable to UA. I wouldn’t be surprised if the order is ultimately cancelled, and most of the deposits are placed with a 321XLR order.

The issue lies with the engines more than the plane itself. Apparently RR called for stiff cancellation penalties, and there's not a new plane or there with RR engines that the deposits can be switched to that would fit UAs strategy. And yes I know the 787 had an RR option but UA uses GE.
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Re: Why doesn’t UA fly an Airbus Widebody?

Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:17 pm

FlightLevel360 wrote:
N174UA wrote:
They have an order in for the Airbus A350 (forget what version) but deliveries don't start until 2022 I believe.

With UA's high satisfaction level with the 787, it wouldn't surprise me if they cancelled that order if the savings on a 787 order would offset the very high penalty that Airbus would cancelling the order charge them.


United will not cancel the A350 because the 787 is not a perfect replacement for the pmUA 77Es.


That's MESS! United will not cancel them because they don't want to incur the Loss that would come's WITH cancelling the order and I doubt they'd take the A321 in their Place, That was already discussed even before I retired in 2017. They waited too Long to try and cancel the order without any consequences, Now they'll replace 777-200's with the A350's as it will be time to replace the early build -222's by then..
 
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Re: Why doesn’t UA fly an Airbus Widebody?

Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:30 pm

strfyr51 wrote:
FlightLevel360 wrote:
N174UA wrote:
They have an order in for the Airbus A350 (forget what version) but deliveries don't start until 2022 I believe.

With UA's high satisfaction level with the 787, it wouldn't surprise me if they cancelled that order if the savings on a 787 order would offset the very high penalty that Airbus would cancelling the order charge them.


United will not cancel the A350 because the 787 is not a perfect replacement for the pmUA 77Es.


That's MESS! United will not cancel them because they don't want to incur the Loss that would come's WITH cancelling the order and I doubt they'd take the A321 in their Place, That was already discussed even before I retired in 2017. They waited too Long to try and cancel the order without any consequences, Now they'll replace 777-200's with the A350's as it will be time to replace the early build -222's by then..


Early build 200s are domestic only. I don't see UA replacing these high density planes with new A350s.
 
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Re: Why doesn’t UA fly an Airbus Widebody?

Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:33 pm

what would an Airbus widebody give United that a Boeing Widebody Can't? It isn't Range for sure, The Rolls can't outperform the GE's we already fly and the airplane can only come with Rolls Royce engines that we don't already work on in our shops. The dimwit that ordered the airplane left the company and is Long Gone so other than having ordered the plane? United didn't NEED the airplane and thus have pushed the order back as far as they could. That airplane will never be the star of the fleet. Unless Boeing stops building Airplanes all together.
I do not doubt it might well be a good airplane. But it will ALWAYS be compared to the 777. And if it doesn't measure up? In Performance, Support or Fuel Economy?
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Re: Why doesn’t UA fly an Airbus Widebody?

Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:39 pm

There's nothing stopping UA from selling them as soon as they take delivery. Delta did that with 737-800's over a decade ago.
 
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Re: Why doesn’t UA fly an Airbus Widebody?

Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:47 pm

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Old UA ordered the 359 a decade ago; its been modified and deferred several times since. Allegedly, cancellation penalties are very favorable to UA. I wouldn’t be surprised if the order is ultimately cancelled, and most of the deposits are placed with a 321XLR order.


That seems like a sensible guess. What would you guess replaces 45 A350 orders without penalty? I would assume at least 60 A321XLRs. The model flown by United with the oldest average age is the 56 B752s at 23.2 years old.

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Re: Why doesn’t UA fly an Airbus Widebody?

Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:54 pm

I think replacing the 772ER by a 787s you end up giving payload in the growing Asian markets. And the 777X is is very nice but top heavy & unproven.

They'll probably order A223 and A321XLR regardless. Like AA, Jetblue, Delta, Frontier etc.
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Re: Why doesn’t UA fly an Airbus Widebody?

Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:07 pm

UAUA wrote:
Why did they cancel the A350-1000? They should have kept the B747-400s for a few years longer and replace them with the A350-1000 which is more advanced than the B777-300ER


The 777-300ER is larger, and would be closer in capacity to the 747 than the A35X.
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Re: Why doesn’t UA fly an Airbus Widebody?

Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:13 pm

UA857 wrote:
Why doesn’t United fly an Airbus widebody?


They will, and fairly soon, too.
 
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Re: Why doesn’t UA fly an Airbus Widebody?

Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:15 pm

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what would an Airbus widebody give United that a Boeing Widebody Can't? It isn't Range for sure, The Rolls can't outperform the GE's we already fly and the airplane can only come with Rolls Royce engines that we don't already work on in our shops. The dimwit that ordered the airplane left the company and is Long Gone so other than having ordered the plane? United didn't NEED the airplane and thus have pushed the order back as far as they could. That airplane will never be the star of the fleet. Unless Boeing stops building Airplanes all together.
I do not doubt it might well be a good airplane. But it will ALWAYS be compared to the 777. And if it doesn't measure up? In Performance, Support or Fuel Economy?
It will be considered a "Jack Job" (As in? We been Robbed!)

Well the 350 has already proven to be more then capable as a 777-200 replacement in terms of performance and fuel economy. It beats it in both cases. And as far as support goes, that’s out of my realm of knowledge, but given the worldwide selection of the 350, the support can’t be horrible.
 
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Re: Why doesn’t UA fly an Airbus Widebody?

Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:16 pm

compensateme wrote:
keesje wrote:
Continental honored the 1997 contract with Boeing not to buy Airbus for 20 years.


That’s a logical fallacy. CO had an all-Boeing fleet because they hired an ex-Boeing executive who initially ordered Boeing and made it a goal to simplify the fleet to the 737NG, 757/767 and 777. CO had, by far, the smallest mainline fleet of the legacies (with around 310-330 aircraft during the 2000s). Switching to Airbus really didn’t make sense.

United launched the 777 in the early nineties. Most will be replaced by A350s?


Old UA ordered the 359 a decade ago; its been modified and deferred several times since. Allegedly, cancellation penalties are very favorable to UA. I wouldn’t be surprised if the order is ultimately cancelled, and most of the deposits are placed with a 321XLR order.

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Re: Why doesn’t UA fly an Airbus Widebody?

Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:23 pm

We don’t know the contract, we don’t know what language thats written in there whether they can cancel or switch the point is the A350 would be a great plane at United split they have enough diversity of routes to support both if they choose. If not we’ll we don’t know the contract plain and simple. It doesn’t implicate the A350 or 787 one way or the other it’s just fodder for the raw raw team stuff that goes on around here.
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Re: Why doesn’t UA fly an Airbus Widebody?

Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:30 pm

AA is consolidating to the 777 and 787

DL is consolidating to the A350 and A330

It would be silly for UA to operate the 777, 787, and A350. That would put them at a disadvantage with higher operating costs.
 
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Re: Why doesn’t UA fly an Airbus Widebody?

Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:32 pm

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Airbus tends to give better deals to American as they have a Most Favored Customer Clause. This means that Airbus refunds AA the difference of the amount of money payed by American for a plane compared to a lower price for another airline, such as United.

Was there any official confirmation of this? I thought it was just a rumour.
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Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:57 pm

Because they're smart
 
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Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:57 pm

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Why do IB and TAP fly no Boeing a/c?

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Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:59 pm

TTailedTiger wrote:
AA is consolidating to the 777 and 787

DL is consolidating to the A350 and A330

It would be silly for UA to operate the 777, 787, and A350. That would put them at a disadvantage with higher operating costs.

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Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:55 am

I think they would keep some A350-900 and convert some to A321XLR. Mix and match could be a big probability.
 
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Re: Why doesn’t UA fly an Airbus Widebody?

Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:10 am

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UA has 45 A359's on order, replacing older 777s.

Don't know how UA is gonna make that work - isn't the A359 too capable of a plane to replace the domestic 777s? It makes sense for sectors like SFO-LHR which are operated by 200-ER's. It makes little sense for the domestic sectors like LAX-DEN. Even 78Js are too much. Maybe these domestic 777 routes will be replaced by more frequent runs of 737 MAX 10?


They could always convert a handful to the regional version a la JL as a 77A replacement. Although 78Xs would likely work better.

Who knows. If B is really successful with a 78X MTOW increase that boosts its range we very well may see the 359 order converted to 321XLRs.

Time will tell.

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Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:26 am

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I think replacing the 772ER by a 787s you end up giving payload in the growing Asian markets. And the 777X is is very nice but top heavy & unproven.

They'll probably order A223 and A321XLR regardless. Like AA, Jetblue, Delta, Frontier etc.


Sounds more like wishful thinking than rational thinking. The 787 is increasingly replacing the 777 to Asia; the lion’s share of 777 flights are domestic, Atlantic and to South America — markets in which the 339 would be a better choice than the 359.

The 359 was initially ordered by true UA a decade ago. CO d/b/a UA clearly doesn’t want the aircraft, having modified and deferred the order several times since. Just as the Boeing fanboys have to accept the fact that DL didn’t want the 787, Airbus fanboys will likely have to accept the same with UA.

It is far more likely that UA will cancel the order and move whatever deposits it is able to keep to a new 321XLR order than it is the 359 will come in masses to replace the 777. Especially considering that the drawdown of the 777 is likely to be very gradual...
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Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:47 am

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It would be silly for UA to operate the 777, 787, and A350.

Then you may wish to inform the boards of CX, SQ, CZ, CA, QR, LH, BA, AF, JL, etc that they are...... "silly" :roll:
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Re: Why doesn’t UA fly an Airbus Widebody?

Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:00 am

PreMerger UA ordered them PostMerger UA (aka PreMerger CO management) didn't want them.
 
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Re: Why doesn’t UA fly an Airbus Widebody?

Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:04 am

compensateme wrote:
keesje wrote:
I think replacing the 772ER by a 787s you end up giving payload in the growing Asian markets. And the 777X is is very nice but top heavy & unproven.

They'll probably order A223 and A321XLR regardless. Like AA, Jetblue, Delta, Frontier etc.


Sounds more like wishful thinking than rational thinking. The 787 is increasingly replacing the 777 to Asia; the lion’s share of 777 flights are domestic, Atlantic and to South America — markets in which the 339 would be a better choice than the 359.

The 359 was initially ordered by true UA a decade ago. CO d/b/a UA clearly doesn’t want the aircraft, having modified and deferred the order several times since. Just as the Boeing fanboys have to accept the fact that DL didn’t want the 787, Airbus fanboys will likely have to accept the same with UA.

It is far more likely that UA will cancel the order and move whatever deposits it is able to keep to a new 321XLR order than it is the 359 will come in masses to replace the 777. Especially considering that the drawdown of the 777 is likely to be very gradual...


Yes the way to show you don't want an aircraft is to keep increasing the order. Started at 25 and now it stands at 45.. The A350 will be the workhorse for United's Pacific routes where they carry a ton of cargo.. I expect the 787s to be moved to trans Atlantic and South American routes. I do not believe United carries as much cargo to SA as American so 787s will do just fine..
 
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Yes the way to show you don't want an aircraft is to keep increasing the order. Started at 25 and now it stands at 45..


Not quite. They had 25 A359-1000 on order but decided to go with the 787-10 instead. Instead of simply deferring the 359-1000, they stuck an agreement with Airbus to change the order to 45 A350-900. If you Google media reports surrounding the transaction, you’ll notice that sources from both UA and Airbus leaked that the 20 new orders came without cancellation/etc. penalties.

The NYT beat writer, one of the most respected in the industry, speculated it was unlikely that UA would take delivery of the 359, and likely got some concessions from Airbus in exchange for keeping the order on the books and giving consideration to the type when it was time to retire the 777 en masses.

I’m not a B vs. A guy, I just like good, solid, educated / rationalized arguments.
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Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:35 am

compensateme wrote:
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Yes the way to show you don't want an aircraft is to keep increasing the order. Started at 25 and now it stands at 45..


Not quite. They had 25 A359-1000 on order but decided to go with the 787-10 instead. Instead of simply deferring the 359-1000, they stuck an agreement with Airbus to change the order to 45 A350-900. If you Google media reports surrounding the transaction, you’ll notice that sources from both UA and Airbus leaked that the 20 new orders came without cancellation/etc. penalties.

The NYT beat writer, one of the most respected in the industry, speculated it was unlikely that UA would take delivery of the 359, and likely got some concessions from Airbus in exchange for keeping the order on the books and giving consideration to the type when it was time to retire the 777 en masses.

I’m not a B vs. A guy, I just like good, solid, educated / rationalized arguments.


I think solid educated / rationalized arguments would show you the A350-900 might be the best 777-200ER replacement for long heavy flights.

The 787-9 is too small, the 787-10 lacks the payload range and the 777X is heavy, unproven and expensive. United made a logical choice.

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When Boeing offered UA the 777-300ER deal, they couldn't refuse, it was IMO a clear win-win.

The 777 was going production rate 2-3 & needed to bridge production. UA could get early, proven 747 replacements.

The rational for a cancellation of the 45 aircraft A350 deal is unclear to me & seems driven by hope & patrotism more than anything else.

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Re: Why doesn’t UA fly an Airbus Widebody?

Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:09 am

I think its funny that people always state that an airline should buy from both manufacturers to keep them honest, but here we have United...they have been buying Boeing-only for many years now.
 
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Re: Why doesn’t UA fly an Airbus Widebody?

Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:04 am

ikolkyo wrote:
Because they never needed them, same goes for PMUA, PMCO, PMDL and AA going forward.


didn’t AA, DL, and PMCO all fly the A300?
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Re: Why doesn’t UA fly an Airbus Widebody?

Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:27 am

zrs70 wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
Because they never needed them, same goes for PMUA, PMCO, PMDL and AA going forward.


didn’t AA, DL, and PMCO all fly the A300?


DL got A310s from PanAm in the early 90s and they had them for less than 5 years.

I also believe CO Inherited some A300s too, they didn’t last for very long though.

AA had a real nice run with the A300 though.

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