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Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:57 pm

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You've to differentiate between the ordinary Brexiteer who wants to "take back control" as it feels it has lost control to the EU and the elite who is into Brexit to get rid of those nasty EU regulations which prevent them to have high bonusses, increase their wealth and/or limit in their desire to control more of the UK economy.

...but where is this coming from, as far as we know, the UK wealthy have continued to hide and move their wealth hence the scandal of the Panama papers, and the EU experts have been telling us that for the most part the UK wealthy have simply been using the EU as a scapegoat for their shenanigans, so technically, there is nothing for them to run away from...
If there was a EU threat to the high bonus payments that the financial folks in London receive and or give to themselves, it obviously was not that daunting to prompt them to vote LEAVE in any of the votes. London and the financial centers of the UK which is where a lot of wealthy folks reside has been pro EU more than anyone else.

Recall the remarks that only the old and the intolerant folks made up the initial 52 million who voted leave, if they were egged on by the wealthy, what was their true aim?
 
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airbus are fully committed to the UK, and rightly so. What happened to them moving out?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/moneymav ... REXZKbTwsA


I haven’t seen that site before, looking through it I came across this, seems a bit odd but who knows

https://moneymaven.io/mishtalk/economic ... lNuUHApB-w
 
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Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:16 am

Arion640 wrote:
airbus are fully committed to the UK, and rightly so. What happened to them moving out?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/moneymav ... REXZKbTwsA



“Airbus is committed to the U.K. and to working with the new government on an ambitious industrial strategy,”


Link

From the Bloomberg article. So how much will the UK pay from your tax-pounds to keep Airbus?
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Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:31 am

Dutchy wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
airbus are fully committed to the UK, and rightly so. What happened to them moving out?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/moneymav ... REXZKbTwsA



“Airbus is committed to the U.K. and to working with the new government on an ambitious industrial strategy,”


Link

From the Bloomberg article. So how much will the UK pay from your tax-pounds to keep Airbus?


What happened to Airbus leaving the UK?
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Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:41 am

Arion640 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
airbus are fully committed to the UK, and rightly so. What happened to them moving out?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/moneymav ... REXZKbTwsA



“Airbus is committed to the U.K. and to working with the new government on an ambitious industrial strategy,”


Link

From the Bloomberg article. So how much will the UK pay from your tax-pounds to keep Airbus?


What happened to Airbus leaving the UK?


If compensated, they won't, apparently. Cost a lot of money to move, nevertheless, they will look at expansion or investment on a case-by-case basis. So a much is it worth to the UK economy to keep Airbus? We know several car companies asking for the same compensation.
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Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:18 am

Arion640 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
airbus are fully committed to the UK, and rightly so. What happened to them moving out?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/moneymav ... REXZKbTwsA



“Airbus is committed to the U.K. and to working with the new government on an ambitious industrial strategy,”


Link

From the Bloomberg article. So how much will the UK pay from your tax-pounds to keep Airbus?


What happened to Airbus leaving the UK?


You know, one year before announcing the A380 program shutdown Tom Enders was claiming the program was there to stay...
Of course legacy program are more or less secured in a way that it would need UK to become a very bad business environment to trigger a change of the production site, but for any new development the internal lobbying from a partner nation already well versed in making large composite parts will not need much to take the business.
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Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:41 am

Grizzly410 wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:




Link

From the Bloomberg article. So how much will the UK pay from your tax-pounds to keep Airbus?


What happened to Airbus leaving the UK?


You know, one year before announcing the A380 program shutdown Tom Enders was claiming the program was there to stay...
Of course legacy program are more or less secured in a way that it would need UK to become a very bad business environment to trigger a change of the production site, but for any new development the internal lobbying from a partner nation already well versed in making large composite parts will not need much to take the business.


You know, one month before Britains EU referendum people were claiming the British economy would crash overnight in the event of a vote to leave.

Lets be honest, if airbus can open a final assembly in China a wing factory in a country 20 miles from its home shores was never going to be a problem.
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Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:36 am

Arion640 wrote:
Grizzly410 wrote:
Arion640 wrote:

What happened to Airbus leaving the UK?


You know, one year before announcing the A380 program shutdown Tom Enders was claiming the program was there to stay...
Of course legacy program are more or less secured in a way that it would need UK to become a very bad business environment to trigger a change of the production site, but for any new development the internal lobbying from a partner nation already well versed in making large composite parts will not need much to take the business.


You know, one month before Britains EU referendum people were claiming the British economy would crash overnight in the event of a vote to leave.

Lets be honest, if airbus can open a final assembly in China a wing factory in a country 20 miles from its home shores was never going to be a problem.


I won't crush the numbers for you, but if you look at the Airbus marketshare in China since they launched the Tianjin FAL you will understand that it is largely compensating the additional costs to build aircraft there.

UK situation is vastly different, as said the legacy wings are relatively safe because the added cost by Brexit would have to cover the added cost of moving, rather unlikely and before knowing future relationship details it's impossible to assess anyway. But for a new program/investment any added cost to build in UK would participate tipping the balance in Spain's direction.
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Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:03 pm

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What happened to Airbus leaving the UK?


That's a long-term concern and you know it. Airbus was never going to pack up and go the day after Brexit - to say otherwise would be infantile.
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Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:54 pm

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Arion640 wrote:
What happened to Airbus leaving the UK?


That's a long-term concern and you know it. Airbus was never going to pack up and go the day after Brexit - to say otherwise would be infantile.


A lot of people said they’d be gone before brexit day.
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Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:31 pm

Arion640 wrote:
SomebodyInTLS wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
What happened to Airbus leaving the UK?


That's a long-term concern and you know it. Airbus was never going to pack up and go the day after Brexit - to say otherwise would be infantile.


A lot of people said they’d be gone before brexit day.


[citation needed]
 
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Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:40 pm

Airbus has key facilities in the UK, and has never said that Brexit would close those plants. What it has implied, and repeatedly, is that going forward new production/R and D will take place where it works best. If the UK makes it difficult to send semi-assemblies back and forth there will be alternative sites chosen. The worry is that issues like fish/food (including visas for work permits) etc may have the indirect affect of adding costly friction to the border.
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Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:56 pm

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Arion640 wrote:
What happened to Airbus leaving the UK?


That's a long-term concern and you know it. Airbus was never going to pack up and go the day after Brexit - to say otherwise would be infantile.

Unfortunately folks do not usually see both sides of the story, the removal of citizens rights, worker protections, ability to not eat chlorine washed foods, use the NHS, deportations, street muggings, all these are things that were going to happen immediately if the UK voted to leave.
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Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:41 pm

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If there was a EU threat to the high bonus payments that the financial folks in London receive and or give to themselves, it obviously was not that daunting to prompt them to vote LEAVE in any of the votes. London and the financial centers of the UK which is where a lot of wealthy folks reside has been pro EU more than anyone else.


Enough brexiteers in the City. There is no reason why the City would like to be subjected to EU regulation other that the EU enables them to make money without having to invest in additional subsidiaries. Moreover, Brussels has been difficult to influence. They're mirroring themselves to those in New York, not to those in continental Europe.

https://www.managementtoday.co.uk/city-gave-birth-brexit/long-reads/article/1649027
 
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Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:55 pm

UK is about to leave EU. It has not yet left.

The 3 years mess has got the advantage that many companies has got time to adjust and some critical functions hasalready moved to EU27.

For EU27 this 3 years has probably decrased the risk compared if it was a dramatic non deal 3 years ago.

London growth as financial center will be depending on if New York bankers continuing use London as gate to EU and the rest of the world like India and Kina opens their offices in London when expanding in Europe.

Simple answer is that we do not know, but export import UK EU27 is declining right now.
 
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Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:58 pm

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Grizzly410 wrote:
Really wondering why you feel the need to argue about such an hypothetical situation (EU Parl to reject the WA), it feels you like the topic of Brexit to be under pressure, storylined like a TV show. Come on, this part of the show is over, UK will be out soon, next deadline is july (?) only to confirm no transition period extension... Let's move to phase II !


Actually I'm not arguing you and AeroVega gave plausible reason to why Guy Verhofstadt is continuing to make assertions that the EU Parliament may not ratify the agreement and the likelihood of it doing so. I'm just trying to understand Guy Verhofstadt point in trying to make amendments before the EU Parliament actually votes, after all the extensions from the UK Parliament was after voting intentions were made and well before exit day. Dutchy is trying to make out that I'm blaming the EU for not ratifying the agreement when in fact I don't give a damn if they do or not.


Aerovega's "plausible reason" is that EU Parliament would wake up, 3 months after the WA have been released, and suddenly fear the guarantee for NI aren't secured enough. Excuse me but 1) Verhofstadt grief is about citizen rights so nothing to do, and 2) sorry my friend but you shouldn't transpose UK way of working with EU's, while UK agenda was busy with the GE the EU was working as usual, if a blocking point appeared for Parliament it would have been discussed way earlier. It haven't = all you ear now is noise and ground taking for next stage.
Maybe it's my " taking ground" that doesn't mean much in english ? I expand, GV mission as Brexit coordinator for the EU Parliament is coming to its end so he is simply putting pressure while he still can and there is absolutely nothing more behind this.
If the session is to vote is so late it's only because for the last 3 deadlines EU had to react to a late extension request from UK, you can't blame EU Parliament to just wait to be sure this time UK made up its mind ! It's as good as done, you are nearly out, let's move to phase II !


Nice document to illustrate why EU Parliament will not block anything, the DRAFT RECOMMENDATION on the draft Council decision on the conclusion of the Agreement on the withdrawal of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland from the European Union and the European Atomic Energy Community from the Committee on Constitutional Affairs (AFCO) from which Guy Verhofstadt is the rapporteur. :
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/doc ... 036_EN.pdf

The European Parliament,
[...]
1. Gives its consent to the conclusion of the draft withdrawal agreement;
2. Instructs its President to forward its position to the European Council, the Council and
the Commission, as well as to the national parliaments and to the Government of the
United Kingdom.


The conclusion of explanatory statement :
In the light of the above, your Rapporteur suggests that the AFCO Committee give a favourable recommendation on the conclusion of the Withdrawal Agreement.


And an interesting bit I find very useful to understand why, as I said repetitively, the WA is as good as ratified for the EU side. The EU Parliament have been working hand in hand with Michel Barnier's team since A50 triggering !
The BSG, in more than 100 meetings, most of them in the presence of the EU Chief Negotiator, Michel Barnier, contributed to Parliament being permanently involved in and at the forefront of the procedure, through timely resolutions and statements, containing substantiated positions on the negotiations and major developments since the notification of the intention to withdraw.
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Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:47 pm

Arion640 wrote:
SomebodyInTLS wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
What happened to Airbus leaving the UK?


That's a long-term concern and you know it. Airbus was never going to pack up and go the day after Brexit - to say otherwise would be infantile.


A lot of people said they’d be gone before brexit day.


Have you come up with any answer yet?:

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So a much is it worth to the UK economy to keep Airbus? We know several car companies asking for the same compensation.
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Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:16 pm

Dutchy wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
SomebodyInTLS wrote:

That's a long-term concern and you know it. Airbus was never going to pack up and go the day after Brexit - to say otherwise would be infantile.


A lot of people said they’d be gone before brexit day.


Have you come up with any answer yet?:

Dutchy wrote:
So a much is it worth to the UK economy to keep Airbus? We know several car companies asking for the same compensation.


Hey Dutchy

Any chance you can paste the entire article as I can’t read it free access used up
 
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Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:50 pm

A101 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Arion640 wrote:

A lot of people said they’d be gone before brexit day.


Have you come up with any answer yet?:

Dutchy wrote:
So a much is it worth to the UK economy to keep Airbus? We know several car companies asking for the same compensation.


Hey Dutchy

Any chance you can paste the entire article as I can’t read it free access used up


Not my problem. You have made it abundantly clear how you want to attack these numbers and thus you do not accept these kinds of methods because it doesn't fit your narrative. I am not your secretary. I tried to give you facts, but no juice, now you are on your own.
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Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:54 pm

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Really if every bit of sensationalist reporting is “taking back control they said” when it becomes public announced policy by the US administration then you can actually gloat, untill then all you seem to do is petty point scoring from someone trying to add up 2+2 and coming up with an answer of 6. But by crikey you really are an angry man who can’t seem to get over the UK is leaving the EU and the UK will move along and soon it will be just a footnote in history.

And for that matter the article is quoteing someone not even currently part of the Trump administration he left the NSC to go back to the FDD

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9XScLbJmO6s
 
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Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:57 pm

Dutchy wrote:
A101 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:

Have you come up with any answer yet?:



Hey Dutchy

Any chance you can paste the entire article as I can’t read it free access used up


Not my problem. You have made it abundantly clear how you want to attack these numbers and thus you do not accept these kinds of methods because it doesn't fit your narrative. I am not your secretary. I tried to give you facts, but no juice, now you are on your own.


No haven’t I can’t even see the article you listed so how can I attack it

Keep having the :hissyfit:

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Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:03 pm

This is some of the stupidest nonsense I've ever read: :rotfl:

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Dutchy wrote:
If compensated, they won't, apparently. Cost a lot of money to move, nevertheless, they will look at expansion or investment on a case-by-case basis. So a much is it worth to the UK economy to keep Airbus? We know several car companies asking for the same compensation.


There's lots of other governments who would like Airbus to move wing production to their nation and will be willing to heavily subsidise it. Personally, I'd love to see production to move to Italy or Benelux (though I'm guessing the latter's labour costs are maybe too high).

Arion640 wrote:

A lot of people said they’d be gone before brexit day.


A lot of people? Can you provide a link to one statement that one of these many people said?


Aesma wrote:


Completely unsurprising. US will be dangling lots of similar carrots until they get everything they want in a trade deal. Again, how did people not see this coming?
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Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:13 pm

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the UK is leaving the EU and the UK will move along and soon it will be just a footnote in history.

Harsh, but not unlikely.
 
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Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:37 pm

Klaus wrote:
A101 wrote:
the UK is leaving the EU and the UK will move along and soon it will be just a footnote in history.

Harsh, but not unlikely.


Of course.

How can the fifth largest economy in the world survive ROFL
 
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Klaus wrote:
A101 wrote:
the UK is leaving the EU and the UK will move along and soon it will be just a footnote in history.

Harsh, but not unlikely.


Of course.

I just quoted what you've said yourself.

How can the fifth largest economy in the world survive ROFL

I'm sure India will appreciate our concern, but maybe you should rather worry about the UK slipping further from its current #6 spot.
 
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Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:20 pm

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Completely unsurprising. US will be dangling lots of similar carrots until they get everything they want in a trade deal. Again, how did people not see this coming?

What makes you think that they did not?
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Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:25 pm

Klaus wrote:
noviorbis77 wrote:
Klaus wrote:
Harsh, but not unlikely.


Of course.

I just quoted what you've said yourself.

How can the fifth largest economy in the world survive ROFL

I'm sure India will appreciate our concern, but maybe you should rather worry about the UK slipping further from its current #6 spot.


That is correct. My mistake. We are 6th.

A country with 1 billion is ahead of the country of 65,000,000.

We’ll manage though. We’ve been through worse.

Things were pretty bad in 1940 weren’t they. Didn’t end too badly then did it.
 
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Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:27 pm

When the UK will be blocked to be a gateway for the EU SM, we will see what is its real rank.....
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Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:54 pm

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We’ll manage though. We’ve been through worse.

Things were pretty bad in 1940 weren’t they. Didn’t end too badly then did it.

That was when Hitler waged war against Britain, and you barely survived that and only with massive outside support.

Brexit, however, is waged against Britain by the likes of yourself.

And this time the americans won't come to your rescue against yourself as your own threat – quite the opposite, in fact: They'll exploit your self-created weakness for their own gain!
 
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Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:57 pm

Klaus wrote:
noviorbis77 wrote:
We’ll manage though. We’ve been through worse.

Things were pretty bad in 1940 weren’t they. Didn’t end too badly then did it.

That was when Hitler waged war against Britain, and you barely survived that and only with massive outside support.

Brexit, however, is waged against Britain by the likes of yourself.

And this time the americans won't come to your rescue against yourself as your own threat – quite the opposite, in fact: They'll exploit your self-created weakness for their own gain!


Ok
 
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Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:11 pm

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When the UK will be blocked to be a gateway for the EU SM, we will see what is its real rank.....

As a third country they have to be blocked hence the reason why they have to diverge so they can be and offer something different from the EU, in a number of things they have to become a competitor.
 
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Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:17 pm

Yes but the more they diverge the more they will be denied access.
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Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:31 pm

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We’ll manage though. We’ve been through worse.

Things were pretty bad in 1940 weren’t they. Didn’t end too badly then did it.


Yes, I can't wait for the self inflicted return of rationing. It was such a jolly time wasn't it. Tally-ho!
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Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:47 pm

I wonder if anyone at the Daily Express believes any of this nonsense ? It must be soul crushing to work there.
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Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:51 pm

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I wonder if anyone at the Daily Express believes any of this nonsense ? It must be soul crushing to work there.

I doubt you can even get a job there if there's any soul left to be crushed in the first place.
 
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Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:04 pm

noviorbis77 wrote:
Klaus wrote:
noviorbis77 wrote:

Of course.

I just quoted what you've said yourself.

How can the fifth largest economy in the world survive ROFL

I'm sure India will appreciate our concern, but maybe you should rather worry about the UK slipping further from its current #6 spot.


That is correct. My mistake. We are 6th.

A country with 1 billion is ahead of the country of 65,000,000.

We’ll manage though. We’ve been through worse.

Things were pretty bad in 1940 weren’t they. Didn’t end too badly then did it.


No worries, I am sure you like being seventh, or eighth would be a nice spot for you too........

Auch, being attacked compared to a self-inflicted wound. Ah well, good to see that you put things into perspective.
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the UK is leaving the EU and the UK will move along and soon it will be just a footnote in history.

Harsh, but not unlikely.



Which part is unlikely?
 
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A101 wrote:
Klaus wrote:
A101 wrote:
the UK is leaving the EU and the UK will move along and soon it will be just a footnote in history.

Harsh, but not unlikely.



Which part is unlikely?



UK will be a footnote in history, what else....... 8-)
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Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:07 pm

A101 wrote:
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Hey Dutchy

Any chance you can paste the entire article as I can’t read it free access used up


Not my problem. You have made it abundantly clear how you want to attack these numbers and thus you do not accept these kinds of methods because it doesn't fit your narrative. I am not your secretary. I tried to give you facts, but no juice, now you are on your own.


No haven’t I can’t even see the article you listed so how can I attack it

Keep having the :hissyfit:

you have showed nothing


You've got the link, so get a subscription, I am not your secretary.
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Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:37 pm

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Of course.

I just quoted what you've said yourself.

How can the fifth largest economy in the world survive ROFL

I'm sure India will appreciate our concern, but maybe you should rather worry about the UK slipping further from its current #6 spot.


That is correct. My mistake. We are 6th.

A country with 1 billion is ahead of the country of 65,000,000.

We’ll manage though. We’ve been through worse.

Things were pretty bad in 1940 weren’t they. Didn’t end too badly then did it.



Brexit will result in Uk having a more outward view across the spectrum of government function, with being entangled to EU politics, regulatory and economic matters for far too long. One only has to look at the economic transformation of many of the commonwealth nations whom were dependent on the UK for majority of it exports to the UK, post 73 when the UK joined the EEC/EU the Australian, New Zealand and Canadian economies transformed after a period of adjustment. The UK to will go through a period of adjustment and we will be all the better for it.


It doesn’t really matter where you actually place on total size of the economy growth is where the real heart of the matter is, if you look at the the economy’s that have the highest growth according to the IMF it’s not who you think it’s is and they do not register on the top ten economy of the world. Who would think that Libya,Rwanda, Bangladesh and Ethiopia would registrar as the top four nations for economic growth over likes of China the US and the EU, the biggest economy in the world didn’t even make the top ten for highest GDP growth in up till October 2019
 
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Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:10 pm

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Yes but the more they diverge the more they will be denied access.

Well, some things from third countries are denied now like chlorine chicken from the USA, but the EU still trades with the USA and until cancelled was working on a TATL trade deal.
The EU and the UK have a lot of experience dealing with third countries, that will not be the issue in the Brexit talks, control will be, at least in my opinion.
 
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Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:06 am

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Brexit will result in Uk having a more outward view across the spectrum of government function, with being entangled to EU politics, regulatory and economic matters for far too long.


Yet, the EU can stand against the US much better than the UK alone (see Iran case). Do you really think that the US will allow the UK to have a FTA with the US when it doesn't agree to follow its export/political policies? The UK will have to choose between the US and China, US and Iran and US and any country/company of which the US feels it should be sanctioned. You cannot please both parties. The UK alone will have no chance but to obey whereas the UK together with other countries (read EU) can form a block against the US. Unless off course the UK feels that FTAs are not necessary.
 
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Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:08 am

par13del wrote:
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Yes but the more they diverge the more they will be denied access.

Well, some things from third countries are denied now like chlorine chicken from the USA, but the EU still trades with the USA and until cancelled was working on a TATL trade deal.


Of course trade will keep flowing, it's the seamlessness that's at stake.

The UK has enjoyed privileged access to the EU market as long as they were members. Moving forward there's a more or less linear relationship between rule adoption and ease of access.

The more the UK aligns with EU rules, the easier (and cheaper) it will be for British businesses to prove they meet EU standards.
 
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Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:31 am

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A101 wrote:
Brexit will result in Uk having a more outward view across the spectrum of government function, with being entangled to EU politics, regulatory and economic matters for far too long.


Yet, the EU can stand against the US much better than the UK alone (see Iran case). Do you really think that the US will allow the UK to have a FTA with the US when it doesn't agree to follow its export/political policies? The UK will have to choose between the US and China, US and Iran and US and any country/company of which the US feels it should be sanctioned. You cannot please both parties. The UK alone will have no chance but to obey whereas the UK together with other countries (read EU) can form a block against the US. Unless off course the UK feels that FTAs are not necessary.



Hogwash

I think you place far far too much emphasis on what influence the US will have on the UK just to achieve a FTA, thecUK will make agreements that are in our best interests but you seem to forget that whenever US/UK foreign policy converges the UK has always supported the US even whilst being a member of the EU and while the majority disagreed. A long term trade deal will trump (no pun intended) a short term political objective. The relationship has always ebbed and flowed on the personal relationship between leaders a case in point the personality clash between OZ PM Turnbull and Trump and the more enhanced working relationship between Morrison and Trump

Smaller nations do and have stood up for their own interests ahead of whatever the US or for that matter the EU try to push for, two recent case are the Swiss/EU stouch on share trading and little ole OZ making stand against the US in regards to diplomatic recognition between the China-Taiwan from Pacfic nations, and we are currently have a disagreement with the US in regards to Huawei
 
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Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:36 am

A101 wrote:
noviorbis77 wrote:
Klaus wrote:
I just quoted what you've said yourself.


I'm sure India will appreciate our concern, but maybe you should rather worry about the UK slipping further from its current #6 spot.


That is correct. My mistake. We are 6th.

A country with 1 billion is ahead of the country of 65,000,000.

We’ll manage though. We’ve been through worse.

Things were pretty bad in 1940 weren’t they. Didn’t end too badly then did it.



Brexit will result in Uk having a more outward view across the spectrum of government function, with being entangled to EU politics, regulatory and economic matters for far too long. One only has to look at the economic transformation of many of the commonwealth nations whom were dependent on the UK for majority of it exports to the UK, post 73 when the UK joined the EEC/EU the Australian, New Zealand and Canadian economies transformed after a period of adjustment. The UK to will go through a period of adjustment and we will be all the better for it.


It doesn’t really matter where you actually place on total size of the economy growth is where the real heart of the matter is, if you look at the the economy’s that have the highest growth according to the IMF it’s not who you think it’s is and they do not register on the top ten economy of the world. Who would think that Libya,Rwanda, Bangladesh and Ethiopia would registrar as the top four nations for economic growth over likes of China the US and the EU, the biggest economy in the world didn’t even make the top ten for highest GDP growth in up till October 2019


Problem with your argument is that a 1% growth for UK represent something like £25bn, but this same value would represent roughly a 10% increase for Bangladesh, 33% for Ethipia, 50% for Lybia and… 300% for Rwanda. It's just far easier to have big economic growth figure when you starting from a very, very low position.

Just to have an idea, what kind of transformation of the UK economy are you expecting ?
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Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:55 pm

Not sure if it is related or not, who gets Piers Morgan as part of the BREXIT deal with EU.
 
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Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:30 pm

Brexit is as big as V-E Day and should be celebrated. So sure Big Ben must Bong! It would be glorious to leave on the 8th May 2020, a fitting 75 years after the end of WW2.
 
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Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:46 pm

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Not sure if it is related or not, who gets Piers Morgan as part of the BREXIT deal with EU.


The UK of course as he is a nobody in continental EU :)
When UK was in it wanted a lot of opt-outs, now it is out it wants opt-ins
 
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Re: Brexit part 7: The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox

Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:27 pm

So are these numbers real or is this the government trying to make things look better than they actually are?
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-51146992

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