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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:46 am

ZK-NZR performed its 3rd test flight as BOE100 by doing Everett to Everett,
which means ZK-NZR is close for it's delivery flight.
P.S: 3rd Test Flight was on Sunday, October 6th.
STATS:
DEPARTURE TIME: 9:15 AM US TIME
Arrival Time: 10:27 AM US TIME
Flight Time: 1:12 (1 hour and 12 minutes)
Depature Destination: PAE
Arrival Destination: PAE
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:24 am

Does anyone know the situation with ZK-NZE. Maybe this has been brought up in previous forums. I seen it last year parked at AKL after its engine issues where they found pieces of blade in the fuselage. Then it started flying again early this year, only for it to be grounded again. I've heard whispers it is an economic write off due to composite structural Issues.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:57 pm

ZK-NBT wrote:

Good to see the 772s doing plenty of long haul on Friday night, SFO/IAH/EZE/YVR/HKG plus OKT on NZ6 as well, so only NZ2 was an NZ 77W.

YVR goes 789 code 2 from October 27th, while EZE changes back to 789 from FEB, the 772 usage will be interesting for NS 2020, however there is some sort of soft refits happening on most of the long haul fleet which could take 2-3 frames out at once if the original plan to have the whole fleet done by the end of 2020 is still a go.

NRT will get some 77Ws soon towards the end of RWC some days 2 77Ws.


When the YVR switches over to the 789. The HNL route switches to the 772 to compensate almost a one for one swap.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:58 pm

Travmac30 wrote:
Does anyone know the situation with ZK-NZE. Maybe this has been brought up in previous forums. I seen it last year parked at AKL after its engine issues where they found pieces of blade in the fuselage. Then it started flying again early this year, only for it to be grounded again. I've heard whispers it is an economic write off due to composite structural Issues.


I thought NZE was damaged after it's return when it was hit be a ground vehicle. It was withdrawn from service and the engines were fitted to NZF which had been out of service for ariund 12 months. Last I heard about NZE was that it would be back in service when engines were available. Perhaps there us more to this story than we are aware of?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Tue Oct 08, 2019 6:36 pm

I read a rumour somewhere—can’t remember where—that the new yet-to-be-delivered B789 ZK-NZR has been fitted with the new Business class seats.

Does anyone know anything about this?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:24 pm

Jamso wrote:
I read a rumour somewhere—can’t remember where—that the new yet-to-be-delivered B789 ZK-NZR has been fitted with the new Business class seats.

Does anyone know anything about this?

Highly doubt it. If anything the 787-10's will be the first to have the new seats
What?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:40 pm

NZ516 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:

Good to see the 772s doing plenty of long haul on Friday night, SFO/IAH/EZE/YVR/HKG plus OKT on NZ6 as well, so only NZ2 was an NZ 77W.

YVR goes 789 code 2 from October 27th, while EZE changes back to 789 from FEB, the 772 usage will be interesting for NS 2020, however there is some sort of soft refits happening on most of the long haul fleet which could take 2-3 frames out at once if the original plan to have the whole fleet done by the end of 2020 is still a go.

NRT will get some 77Ws soon towards the end of RWC some days 2 77Ws.


When the YVR switches over to the 789. The HNL route switches to the 772 to compensate almost a one for one swap.


I was meaning NS 2020, the 772s at this stage are only showing on HKG/IAH for long haul, HNL is 772 for NW, possibly longer.

There will be plenty of changes to come with the plan to soft refit the whole fleet by the end of 2020, depending on hangar space etc and where they plan to do them they could probably do 3-4 frames at once if they aren’t all done in the same place.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:40 pm

NZE is awaiting engines. Plain and simple. It really is time to kill the urban myth around the catering truck damage.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:42 pm

aerohottie wrote:
Jamso wrote:
I read a rumour somewhere—can’t remember where—that the new yet-to-be-delivered B789 ZK-NZR has been fitted with the new Business class seats.

Does anyone know anything about this?

Highly doubt it. If anything the 787-10's will be the first to have the new seats



I think he means the slightly revised cabin, no idea what this actually looks like however. The 787-10 will likely as you say be first to get the actual new seats.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:56 pm

ZK-NBT wrote:
aerohottie wrote:
Jamso wrote:
I read a rumour somewhere—can’t remember where—that the new yet-to-be-delivered B789 ZK-NZR has been fitted with the new Business class seats.

Does anyone know anything about this?

Highly doubt it. If anything the 787-10's will be the first to have the new seats



I think he means the slightly revised cabin, no idea what this actually looks like however. The 787-10 will likely as you say be first to get the actual new seats.

Ah gotcha.

Slight change of topic. Does anyone know what aircraft have been leased fro m other carriers are still flying with NZ?
I know of the EVA 773ER, but are there any others?
What?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:09 am

aerohottie wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
aerohottie wrote:
Highly doubt it. If anything the 787-10's will be the first to have the new seats



I think he means the slightly revised cabin, no idea what this actually looks like however. The 787-10 will likely as you say be first to get the actual new seats.

Ah gotcha.

Slight change of topic. Does anyone know what aircraft have been leased fro m other carriers are still flying with NZ?
I know of the EVA 773ER, but are there any others?


Just the EVA 77W, it’s here until April now. What happens after that I wonder? Currently the 789 ZK-NZR arriving this week is the last long haul aircraft on order till the 787-10 in 2022, they could come earlier or additional 789s could be ordered.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:53 am

NZ516 wrote:
Fiji Airways will bring their A350 to Auckland earlier now starting 18 December.
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -dec-2019/
It looks like AKL is getting the A350 at the expense of some NAN/LAX/NAN services in January. Originally NAN/LAX/NAN from 1 January was going to be 6 days a week, with Tue an A332 or A333, now it seems the A350 is flying only 4 days a week NAN/LAX/NAN & the other 3 days will be an A332 or A333.

Perhaps this is occurring because the LAX/NAN/LAX market is weak, while the NAN/AKL/NAN market is stronger/higher yielding.

Think there are around 60 more seats on an FJ A350 than FJ A332.

Was looking at fares Australia to NAN return on FJ, which seemed be on sale for around AUD$550-$650 whereas Australia/LAX-SFO via NAN was on sale for AUD$800-$900, so the extra 20 hours flying wasn't generating very much extra yield on sale fares, cf. short haul, although the sales periods might not have been exactly the same.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:30 am

MZA looks to already have gone tech in HLZ, with 6 orbits of the hold on approach, and the rest of its flights for today cancelled and tomorrow swapped to another aircraft.
AS350, B733/4/7/8, B744/8, B762/3, B77E/L/W, B789, A319, A320, A321, A332, A346, A380, AT73/5/6, Q300, Q400, CR2/7, E190, S340, B1900C/D, E110 (E for epic)
NZ, EK, QF, SQ, UA, US, CO, FZ, FR, U2, BA, VA, VS, MH, EI, EY, LH, EN, NM, TG, GZ
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:00 am

ZK-NZR had delivery flight as NZ6096 but is cancelled.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:18 am

Any idea why Air New Zealand's credit card policy is "Card payment fee of $4.00 per person per one way journey may apply."? I understand covering merchant fees, but why per person - it's a single transaction - so surely a percentage added to the final total would do this. When we're booking as a family this adds up rather quickly and to a much greater percentage than merchants fees (about 4.5% for the latest booking). It feels like a bit of a monopoly organization doing whatever they please.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:53 pm

axio wrote:
Any idea why Air New Zealand's credit card policy is "Card payment fee of $4.00 per person per one way journey may apply."? I understand covering merchant fees, but why per person - it's a single transaction - so surely a percentage added to the final total would do this. When we're booking as a family this adds up rather quickly and to a much greater percentage than merchants fees (about 4.5% for the latest booking). It feels like a bit of a monopoly organization doing whatever they please.


Gouging, pure and simple. I thought New Zealand had a cost recovery law for card fees but obviously not. I was looking up fees on the Tasman the other day and saw $6 charge, presumably in AUD per person per one way trip. That's a tonne more than cost recovery. Therefore, gouging.

Virgin charges between 0.4 and 0.9% of the total fare paid and I suspect Qantas is the same. Even the European LCCs have reverted to cost recovery following EU requirements.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:13 pm

aotearoa wrote:
NZE is awaiting engines. Plain and simple. It really is time to kill the urban myth around the catering truck damage.


Actually, getting hit by the catering truck is the reason it came into service and went back out on April 11th (just before departing as NZ101 to Sydney). It's engine's were given to NZF to get a frame into service.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:43 pm

aerokiwi wrote:
axio wrote:
Any idea why Air New Zealand's credit card policy is "Card payment fee of $4.00 per person per one way journey may apply."? I understand covering merchant fees, but why per person - it's a single transaction - so surely a percentage added to the final total would do this. When we're booking as a family this adds up rather quickly and to a much greater percentage than merchants fees (about 4.5% for the latest booking). It feels like a bit of a monopoly organization doing whatever they please.


Gouging, pure and simple. I thought New Zealand had a cost recovery law for card fees but obviously not. I was looking up fees on the Tasman the other day and saw $6 charge, presumably in AUD per person per one way trip. That's a tonne more than cost recovery. Therefore, gouging.

Virgin charges between 0.4 and 0.9% of the total fare paid and I suspect Qantas is the same. Even the European LCCs have reverted to cost recovery following EU requirements.

Agree. Make a complaint to the Commerce Commission
What?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:54 pm

aerohottie wrote:
Agree. Make a complaint to the Commerce Commission


I may just do that. Have asked the Commerce Commission to point me in the direction of relevant legislation.
I guess the other approach is media shaming...
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:56 pm

Devil's advocate is that you have a choice to pay via a method that has no additional fees...
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:02 pm

backfiah wrote:
Devil's advocate is that you have a choice to pay via a method that has no additional fees...


In which you give out your internet banking details to a third party, and is not recommended by banks. Can't win.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:27 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
I was meaning NS 2020, the 772s at this stage are only showing on HKG/IAH for long haul, HNL is 772 for NW, possibly longer.

There will be plenty of changes to come with the plan to soft refit the whole fleet by the end of 2020, depending on hangar space etc and where they plan to do them they could probably do 3-4 frames at once if they aren’t all done in the same place.


Might be too far away for the NS 2020 schedules they will get updated next year. So could see more changes aircraft swaps etc down the line.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:32 am

Palmerston North mayor urges airline to bring in the jets

Palmerston North mayor Grant Smith is campaigning hard to encourage Air New Zealand to bring back jets to provide more capacity on flights to and from the city.

His calls, repeated in a meeting with Air New Zealand staff on Tuesday, follow Jetstar's decision to stop flying from regional centres, including Palmerston North to Auckland, from the end of November.

Smith said passenger loadings on Palmerston North to Auckland flights on both airlines were strong, with Jetstar's offerings having boosted numbers through the airport by 100,000 a year.

"It's one of New Zealand's strongest regional routes. There are some real opportunities here for the jets to come back.


more:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standa ... n-the-jets

This is interesting but there is the challenge in finding a spare A320 and also what does the ATR then do once it is displaced. They could say well Invercargill has got it what about Palmy and we are a bigger city and so forth.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:35 am

Air New Zealand NS20 Vancouver service changes as of 08OCT19

Air New Zealand in recent schedule update filed service changes for Auckland – Vancouver route, for Northern summer 2020 season. Planned Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner, scheduled from 23OCT19, is now maintained on/after 29MAR20, based on current update.

29MAR20 – 01MAY20 Day x12 (Increase from 4 to 5 weekly)
03MAY20 – 21JUN20 Day x126 (Increase from 4 to 5 weekly. Reduce from 6 to 5 weekly for the week of 16JUN20)
23JUN20 – 24OCT20 Day x1 (Reduce from previously planned 7 weekly from 09JUL20 – 22JUL20, increase from previously planned 5 weekly from 24JUL20)

NZ024 AKL2015 – 1425YVR 789 x1
NZ023 YVR2005 – 0500+2AKL 789 x1

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-08oct19/

So the Vancouver route is doing better for Air NZ now but not enough demand to be daily all through the winter yet.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:35 am

axio wrote:
Any idea why Air New Zealand's credit card policy is "Card payment fee of $4.00 per person per one way journey may apply."? I understand covering merchant fees, but why per person - it's a single transaction - so surely a percentage added to the final total would do this. When we're booking as a family this adds up rather quickly and to a much greater percentage than merchants fees (about 4.5% for the latest booking). It feels like a bit of a monopoly organization doing whatever they please.


The official line is around simplification of fee structure. Something customers can understand vs a floating value.

There's an absolute bit of truth in this, is this the only reason, no!

Ultimately the fee's don't recover all the costs nor make the airline any profit. I can put my life on that one. It's been challenged a few times, I'm not aware of anyone wasting their time and money in court but I'm sure someone has already lodged complaints with the commerce commission. I'm sure if NZ was making a killing, gouging the consumer or if this approach was illegal we would have heard more by now. They've been around over a decade.

aerokiwi wrote:
Gouging, pure and simple. I thought New Zealand had a cost recovery law for card fees but obviously not. I was looking up fees on the Tasman the other day and saw $6 charge, presumably in AUD per person per one way trip. That's a tonne more than cost recovery. Therefore, gouging.

Virgin charges between 0.4 and 0.9% of the total fare paid and I suspect Qantas is the same. Even the European LCCs have reverted to cost recovery following EU requirements.


While cases of the super cheap fares you may be worse off. In many cases, you're actually paying less than what you would if done via the other method. For example, AKL-SYD in H class is $304. 2% of this is $6.08 while NZ charges $4, still cheaper in V class at $219 which is $4.38.

Right or wrong, how is NZ gouging when in many scenarios NZ is worse off than what they would be if they were charging a percentage, remember this is based on 2% and many retailers collect 2.5% or even 3% - so you're looking at fares down around the $150 mark or lower to be worse off, one could argue this is the bucket which appeals to poli banking - lower fares would more likely equal available cashflow!?

Look around at what other NZ retailers charge not just QF or VA or even get close to worrying about the EU. In New Zealand, the marketplace we're in, a standard fee is between 2 and 3%. I can't recall who but I was once told of a 4% fee and I've seen 3.5% a few times. Gee - 3.5% on $304 is $10.64, NZ's $4 seems okay now.

aerohottie wrote:
Agree. Make a complaint to the Commerce Commission


Right or wrong, good luck with that one. The "fees" have been unpopular both within the airline but in most retail environments where they are charged. Most people are now becoming familiar with them and are more accepting of them.

Given there's a flat fee structure which is proportionate to midrange fares and "recovers" "some" of the cost, not all and certainly doesn't make money. I think you'll be fighting an uphill battle.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:05 am

Chris Luxon.will join the National party and contest the seat of Botany in the next election from tonight's news So it was more than just a rumour and I will wish him well in the path he has chosen for himself. Politics is so different field from being an airline CEO. Good luck to him hope its the right choice.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:54 pm

NZ516 wrote:
Chris Luxon.will join the National party and contest the seat of Botany in the next election from tonight's news So it was more than just a rumour and I will wish him well in the path he has chosen for himself. Politics is so different field from being an airline CEO. Good luck to him hope its the right choice.


Was it ever a rumour? He told us himself it’s what he wanted to do....

But agree, good luck to him.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:56 pm

The per person per one way charge sounds like fee gauging which is now banned in Australia- the credit card charges (not Amex) are capped at 1.5% by law. The emphasis is a company can't charge a person more than it costs them to process:
https://www.accc.gov.au/media-release/e ... charge-ban
https://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/price ... surcharges

As a test I jumped on the NZ Australia site which lets me book NZ domestic flights (in AUD). The AKL-CHC-AKL test fare for 2 adults in May was AUD262. If opting for pay by credit card, a fee of AUD2.70 applies (not per person), grand total AUD264.70. If I want to pay in NZD (with Air NZ's exchange rate) the total amount including credit card charge is NZD294.26.
Now if I book the same flights on the NZ site, the fare is NZD276, but rises to NZD$296 if pay by credit card. Being devil's advocate, I then opted to pay in AUD using Air NZ's exchange rate and they want to charge AUD284.14. Go figure....
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:09 pm

NZ6 wrote:
axio wrote:
Any idea why Air New Zealand's credit card policy is "Card payment fee of $4.00 per person per one way journey may apply."? I understand covering merchant fees, but why per person - it's a single transaction - so surely a percentage added to the final total would do this. When we're booking as a family this adds up rather quickly and to a much greater percentage than merchants fees (about 4.5% for the latest booking). It feels like a bit of a monopoly organization doing whatever they please.


The official line is around simplification of fee structure. Something customers can understand vs a floating value.

There's an absolute bit of truth in this, is this the only reason, no!

Ultimately the fee's don't recover all the costs nor make the airline any profit. I can put my life on that one. It's been challenged a few times, I'm not aware of anyone wasting their time and money in court but I'm sure someone has already lodged complaints with the commerce commission. I'm sure if NZ was making a killing, gouging the consumer or if this approach was illegal we would have heard more by now. They've been around over a decade.

aerokiwi wrote:
Gouging, pure and simple. I thought New Zealand had a cost recovery law for card fees but obviously not. I was looking up fees on the Tasman the other day and saw $6 charge, presumably in AUD per person per one way trip. That's a tonne more than cost recovery. Therefore, gouging.

Virgin charges between 0.4 and 0.9% of the total fare paid and I suspect Qantas is the same. Even the European LCCs have reverted to cost recovery following EU requirements.


While cases of the super cheap fares you may be worse off. In many cases, you're actually paying less than what you would if done via the other method. For example, AKL-SYD in H class is $304. 2% of this is $6.08 while NZ charges $4, still cheaper in V class at $219 which is $4.38.

Right or wrong, how is NZ gouging when in many scenarios NZ is worse off than what they would be if they were charging a percentage, remember this is based on 2% and many retailers collect 2.5% or even 3% - so you're looking at fares down around the $150 mark or lower to be worse off, one could argue this is the bucket which appeals to poli banking - lower fares would more likely equal available cashflow!?

Look around at what other NZ retailers charge not just QF or VA or even get close to worrying about the EU. In New Zealand, the marketplace we're in, a standard fee is between 2 and 3%. I can't recall who but I was once told of a 4% fee and I've seen 3.5% a few times. Gee - 3.5% on $304 is $10.64, NZ's $4 seems okay now.

aerohottie wrote:
Agree. Make a complaint to the Commerce Commission


Right or wrong, good luck with that one. The "fees" have been unpopular both within the airline but in most retail environments where they are charged. Most people are now becoming familiar with them and are more accepting of them.

Given there's a flat fee structure which is proportionate to midrange fares and "recovers" "some" of the cost, not all and certainly doesn't make money. I think you'll be fighting an uphill battle.


On the Tasman, VA and QF are my alternatives, so of course I'm going to consider their offering, and they charge between 0.4 and 0.9 per cent of the total fare value regardless of passenger numbers. NZ charges 3 per cent on a AUD$400 return fare ($6 per person per direction ex Australia, not the $4 you claim). A fairly typical fare. Break the bank? Probably not.

But why does a passenger have to pay more so that NZ can offer "simplified" fares? I'm sure passengers can grasp a percentage to reflect cost recovery as they can a flat fee regardless of fare. Yes this applies to low rent economy fares but, for most, that's the Tasman for you. Particularly domestic, hence the increased hit from it.

I'm not sure what NZ's policy is on long haul or J class. If it's at a loss then it raises the reasons as to why short haul subsidises long haul.

Whatever the claims, no way is this just for cost recovery. It does not cost you $4 to transact a $100 fare. And just because that $100 fare includes a return service or two people one way, it doesn't cost you $8. The card provider only knows the value of the sale and charges NZ accordingly. It doesn't charge a premium for additional pax or return segments.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:35 pm

NZ6 wrote:
axio wrote:
Any idea why Air New Zealand's credit card policy is "Card payment fee of $4.00 per person per one way journey may apply."? I understand covering merchant fees, but why per person - it's a single transaction - so surely a percentage added to the final total would do this. When we're booking as a family this adds up rather quickly and to a much greater percentage than merchants fees (about 4.5% for the latest booking). It feels like a bit of a monopoly organization doing whatever they please.


The official line is around simplification of fee structure. Something customers can understand vs a floating value.

There's an absolute bit of truth in this, is this the only reason, no!

Ultimately the fee's don't recover all the costs nor make the airline any profit. I can put my life on that one. It's been challenged a few times, I'm not aware of anyone wasting their time and money in court but I'm sure someone has already lodged complaints with the commerce commission. I'm sure if NZ was making a killing, gouging the consumer or if this approach was illegal we would have heard more by now. They've been around over a decade.


So it sounds like they're using it as a re-distributive mechanism to make it cheaper for customers buying more expensive fares and more expensive for those buying cheaper fares.
i.e. 3 return fares have an additional cost of $24: on 3x$1000 that's 0.8% increase, whereas 3x$200 fares it's 4%.
One can only presume it's not illegal, or certainly not illegal enough to warrant anything having happened. But can we agree it's a bit mean, and more-so on family travel (which I presume the airline is happy to discourage given VFR travel tends to be more price sensitive than business travel)?

backfiah wrote:
Devil's advocate is that you have a choice to pay via a method that has no additional fees...

Poli is against bank rules: https://www.asb.co.nz/help/Poli-account ... pport.html
Whether the banks are worried enough to take steps to restrict it is another issue, although I can imagine it may be challenging to do so if the Poli agent is acting convincingly like a human via browser automation. If Air NZ were being a good corporate citizen they'd wouldn't offer a form of payment which violates customer's banking relationships.
Time for a new viewing deck at AKL!
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:36 pm

Basically NZ is getting away with it in the NZ market because that's what the market tolerates, unless there is loud objection as was the case across the Tasman.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Thu Oct 10, 2019 8:31 pm

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/new ... d=12275516

Finally. He certainly seems to have sound business credentials, but from a customer perspective I doubt the Walmart legacy points to a future upscaling of the NZ brand.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Thu Oct 10, 2019 8:32 pm

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Was it ever a rumour? He told us himself it’s what he wanted to do....

But agree, good luck to him.


All I got was he will need to take a decent break and have a good rest after stepping down as CEO and spending more time with his family. As when asked about it earlier he denied about going into politics.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Thu Oct 10, 2019 8:42 pm

eta unknown wrote:
The per person per one way charge sounds like fee gauging which is now banned in Australia- the credit card charges (not Amex) are capped at 1.5% by law. The emphasis is a company can't charge a person more than it costs them to process:
https://www.accc.gov.au/media-release/e ... charge-ban
https://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/price ... surcharges

As a test I jumped on the NZ Australia site which lets me book NZ domestic flights (in AUD). The AKL-CHC-AKL test fare for 2 adults in May was AUD262. If opting for pay by credit card, a fee of AUD2.70 applies (not per person), grand total AUD264.70. If I want to pay in NZD (with Air NZ's exchange rate) the total amount including credit card charge is NZD294.26.
Now if I book the same flights on the NZ site, the fare is NZD276, but rises to NZD$296 if pay by credit card. Being devil's advocate, I then opted to pay in AUD using Air NZ's exchange rate and they want to charge AUD284.14. Go figure....


Per person per one way journey is a way or applying the flat fee proportionate to your particular itinerary. Remember a booking may have one adult one way or it could be multi-stop for 6 people doing 4-5 sectors. If there was a flat per booking or per person, wouldn't that be more unfavourable or pointless by the airline?

I'm not an accountant in Australia so I have no idea what Visa, Mastercard and the likes charge their merchants for each transaction there or if it's any different to here, seems strange to cap it at 1.5% unless there is law to state the card companies can't charge more than that themselves either.

That scenario is made pretty complex.... you're comparing the AU website where the airline is forced by law to charge a particular way and level on the transaction as a whole vs the NZ website where the other method is used. But you've gone and used the airline's alternative currency tool which uses a rate favourable to the airline. I'm sure others here will be anti-NZ on this one too but the exchange rate works in NZ's favour but avoids conversaion fees from your bank. The option is yours and it's for convenience should you wish to use it.

But - by saying NZ is forced to change at the AU level doesn't define NZ customers being gouged. Understanding the true transaction costs here vs what's collected will provide that clarity.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Thu Oct 10, 2019 8:59 pm

aerokiwi wrote:
On the Tasman, VA and QF are my alternatives, so of course I'm going to consider their offering, and they charge between 0.4 and 0.9 per cent of the total fare value regardless of passenger numbers. NZ charges 3 per cent on a AUD$400 return fare ($6 per person per direction ex Australia, not the $4 you claim). A fairly typical fare. Break the bank? Probably not.

But why does a passenger have to pay more so that NZ can offer "simplified" fares? I'm sure passengers can grasp a percentage to reflect cost recovery as they can a flat fee regardless of fare. Yes this applies to low rent economy fares but, for most, that's the Tasman for you. Particularly domestic, hence the increased hit from it.

I'm not sure what NZ's policy is on long haul or J class. If it's at a loss then it raises the reasons as to why short haul subsidises long haul.

Whatever the claims, no way is this just for cost recovery. It does not cost you $4 to transact a $100 fare. And just because that $100 fare includes a return service or two people one way, it doesn't cost you $8. The card provider only knows the value of the sale and charges NZ accordingly. It doesn't charge a premium for additional pax or return segments.


Re QF and VA being your alternatives; isn't this like buying something from PB Tech which charges you vs Harvey Norman who doesn't? Unless you're taking advantage of a retailer-specific benefit (Say earning QF miles) would you really opt for one over the other based on a card fee?

Surely you'd opt for who had the best product and price combo - otherwise known as value for money.

I'm mistaken, the $4 rate is for domestic.

I'd also argue it costs more than $35 on a $14,000 business class booking to London but I'm sure you'd then say economy class customers are subsidising business class travellers.

Anyway, right or wrong. It is what it is and there's poli banking if you don't like it so no one is forced to do anything.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:29 pm

NZ516 wrote:
NZ6 wrote:

Was it ever a rumour? He told us himself it’s what he wanted to do....

But agree, good luck to him.


All I got was he will need to take a decent break and have a good rest after stepping down as CEO and spending more time with his family. As when asked about it earlier he denied about going into politics.


I guess you could call it a rumour given it was never confirmed but as of June when he was quoted on looking at his future and whether that will be with a charity, corporate or politics it was a dead give away for where he was going. It's more a technical rumour as I'm not sure if anyone ever doubted this is where he was heading.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:37 pm

Gasman wrote:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12275516

Finally. He certainly seems to have sound business credentials, but from a customer perspective I doubt the Walmart legacy points to a future upscaling of the NZ brand.


Not surprising he's of the same pedigree as Luxon.

A wealth of experience in high volume retail consumer goods.

Don't expect much different from Luxon in where the airline is heading. A lot of the commentary around sales, marketing, distribution, alliances, clipping the ticket the marketplace will all be tactics used over the next generation of leadership.

I definitely don't expect to see a landslide move towards the customer with things like less dense configurations (except ULH flying), lounge capacity, Airpoints earning rates, HVC levels, fare levels... all the normal complainants.

It's good to see the board continuing down the same path where Luxon had so much success.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:07 pm

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I was hoping, that in a surprise move Jacinda might've stepped into the role. "10 abreast is not who we are. We can do this. We're setting up a working group........."


Just what New Zealand needs, an election for the Air New Zealand CEO every 4 years? after-all the tax payers are the major shareholder :D

Do wonder how much more budget NZ could get? apart from introduce Seat Only long-haul fares.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:49 pm

axio wrote:
backfiah wrote:
Devil's advocate is that you have a choice to pay via a method that has no additional fees...

Poli is against bank rules: https://www.asb.co.nz/help/Poli-account ... pport.html
Whether the banks are worried enough to take steps to restrict it is another issue, although I can imagine it may be challenging to do so if the Poli agent is acting convincingly like a human via browser automation. If Air NZ were being a good corporate citizen they'd wouldn't offer a form of payment which violates customer's banking relationships.

I think you'll find the banks are forced to hold that stance due to legal requirements around their policy involving passwords etc.

If you look at who Poli is, as per their website...
The POLi payments service is brought to you by POLi Payments Pty Ltd, a wholly owned subsidiary of Australia Post
https://www.polipay.co.nz/faqs/

Who is Australia Post?
The Australian Postal Corporation (formerly the Australian Postal Commission), operating as Australia Post (also known as AusPost), is the government-owned corporation that provides postal services in Australia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia_Post

Maybe look at who uses Poli...
    Mightyape
    Facebook
    Virgin Australia
    Etihad
    Emirates
    JetStar
    PB Tech
    Intercity
    2 Degrees
    Spark
    World Pay
    Farmlands
    All Blacks Tours
    CAA
    About Health
    Hutt City

or in Australia

    Mircosoft
    Qantas
    Qatar
    Tiger
    Scoot

Now, does anyone still have any concerns or trust issues around poli? - There are some major corporations on that list and some government agencies too.

axio wrote:
If Air NZ were being a good corporate citizen they'd wouldn't offer a form of payment which violates customer's banking relationships.

So I assume that stance applies to TR, VA, JQ, QF, EK, QR, TZ and EY as well?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:14 am

NZ6 wrote:
axio wrote:
backfiah wrote:
Devil's advocate is that you have a choice to pay via a method that has no additional fees...

Poli is against bank rules: https://www.asb.co.nz/help/Poli-account ... pport.html
Whether the banks are worried enough to take steps to restrict it is another issue, although I can imagine it may be challenging to do so if the Poli agent is acting convincingly like a human via browser automation. If Air NZ were being a good corporate citizen they'd wouldn't offer a form of payment which violates customer's banking relationships.

I think you'll find the banks are forced to hold that stance due to legal requirements around their policy involving passwords etc.

If you look at who Poli is, as per their website...
The POLi payments service is brought to you by POLi Payments Pty Ltd, a wholly owned subsidiary of Australia Post
https://www.polipay.co.nz/faqs/

Who is Australia Post?
The Australian Postal Corporation (formerly the Australian Postal Commission), operating as Australia Post (also known as AusPost), is the government-owned corporation that provides postal services in Australia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia_Post

Maybe look at who uses Poli...
    Mightyape
    Facebook
    Virgin Australia
    Etihad
    Emirates
    JetStar
    PB Tech
    Intercity
    2 Degrees
    Spark
    World Pay
    Farmlands
    All Blacks Tours
    CAA
    About Health
    Hutt City

or in Australia

    Mircosoft
    Qantas
    Qatar
    Tiger
    Scoot

Now, does anyone still have any concerns or trust issues around poli? - There are some major corporations on that list and some government agencies too.

axio wrote:
If Air NZ were being a good corporate citizen they'd wouldn't offer a form of payment which violates customer's banking relationships.

So I assume that stance applies to TR, VA, JQ, QF, EK, QR, TZ and EY as well?


I really don't care who owns them. They are an organization that holds no liability to me in the event they get something wrong. My bank indicates it is unable to audit the security of Poli so they're not prepared to have liability either. Use of Poli is at my own financial risk. And it's not like big organizations being attacked and/or having a data breach is without precedent.
And yes that stance applies to any organization using Poli. They are effectively saying they don't care about my risk.
Time for a new viewing deck at AKL!
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:40 am

axio wrote:
I really don't care who owns them. They are an organization that holds no liability to me in the event they get something wrong. My bank indicates it is unable to audit the security of Poli so they're not prepared to have liability either. Use of Poli is at my own financial risk. And it's not like big organizations being attacked and/or having a data breach is without precedent.
And yes that stance applies to any organization using Poli. They are effectively saying they don't care about my risk.


As I said, the banks are likely legally required to hold that position as otherwise it'd go against their security policy which I'm sure they're also insured to standby.

All major banks in NZ and AU have been invited to Poli see how it works and what data is stored etc, essentially playing the open book card so they can be "audited" - Last I heard every single major bank had declined.

Poli has been around close to 13 years with not one security breach. Yet credit card fraud is a massive issue globally and something NZ also faces (bookings made with stolen card numbers). Globally in 2016 the issue reached USD$21.84 Billion and here in NZ it's an ever-increasing risk.

https://www.finder.com/nz/credit-cards- ... statistics
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/ ... -and-fraud

Having an understanding, trust and confidence in who owns them and who uses them may provide some reassurance. If not then that's completely cool, it's your choice, I'm just saying it's a suitable alternative to the card payment fee.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:07 am

NZ6 wrote:
eta unknown wrote:
The per person per one way charge sounds like fee gauging which is now banned in Australia- the credit card charges (not Amex) are capped at 1.5% by law. The emphasis is a company can't charge a person more than it costs them to process:
https://www.accc.gov.au/media-release/e ... charge-ban
https://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/price ... surcharges

As a test I jumped on the NZ Australia site which lets me book NZ domestic flights (in AUD). The AKL-CHC-AKL test fare for 2 adults in May was AUD262. If opting for pay by credit card, a fee of AUD2.70 applies (not per person), grand total AUD264.70. If I want to pay in NZD (with Air NZ's exchange rate) the total amount including credit card charge is NZD294.26.
Now if I book the same flights on the NZ site, the fare is NZD276, but rises to NZD$296 if pay by credit card. Being devil's advocate, I then opted to pay in AUD using Air NZ's exchange rate and they want to charge AUD284.14. Go figure....


Per person per one way journey is a way or applying the flat fee proportionate to your particular itinerary. Remember a booking may have one adult one way or it could be multi-stop for 6 people doing 4-5 sectors. If there was a flat per booking or per person, wouldn't that be more unfavourable or pointless by the airline?

I'm not an accountant in Australia so I have no idea what Visa, Mastercard and the likes charge their merchants for each transaction there or if it's any different to here, seems strange to cap it at 1.5% unless there is law to state the card companies can't charge more than that themselves either.

That scenario is made pretty complex.... you're comparing the AU website where the airline is forced by law to charge a particular way and level on the transaction as a whole vs the NZ website where the other method is used. But you've gone and used the airline's alternative currency tool which uses a rate favourable to the airline. I'm sure others here will be anti-NZ on this one too but the exchange rate works in NZ's favour but avoids conversaion fees from your bank. The option is yours and it's for convenience should you wish to use it.

But - by saying NZ is forced to change at the AU level doesn't define NZ customers being gouged. Understanding the true transaction costs here vs what's collected will provide that clarity.

Politicians in NZ have been soft on banks in the recent past (no wonder really when PM John Key goes back to banking as a board member...) Visa and MasterCard charges in NZ for businesses are typically between 1.8 and 3% depending on the type of card being used etc (platinum cards attracted higher bank fees for example) and various other merchant factors. These charges are disgustingly high compared to most other countries. Most businesses have little choice but to pass them on. They should as is the case in Australia be capped at 1.5% (both the bank charge and what merchants can charge). Amex and Diners are both different again and are usually 3%.
1.5% is a fair balance as it still works for most card users while not ripping them off.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:39 am

Zkpilot wrote:
Politicians in NZ have been soft on banks in the recent past (no wonder really when PM John Key goes back to banking as a board member...) Visa and MasterCard charges in NZ for businesses are typically between 1.8 and 3% depending on the type of card being used etc (platinum cards attracted higher bank fees for example) and various other merchant factors. These charges are disgustingly high compared to most other countries. Most businesses have little choice but to pass them on. They should as is the case in Australia be capped at 1.5% (both the bank charge and what merchants can charge). Amex and Diners are both different again and are usually 3%.
1.5% is a fair balance as it still works for most card users while not ripping them off.


We're now talking about a slightly wider issue - the reliance or desire to purchase on credit. Too many of us live in debt while others want to earn points/cashback etc.

But most goods have such little margins these days there's no room left for retailers to let the card companies clip the ticket without adding some extra on.

Given e-commerce is growing year on year and has done for the last two decades and isn't looking like that trend will change, isn't it due time we saw some sort of alternative to credit cards? and not PayPal or ApplePay - they're just alternative methods where someone can "clip the ticket".

Why aren't Banks providing some API type service which allows payments to made securely and instant but also direct?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:02 am

NZ6 wrote:
aerokiwi wrote:
On the Tasman, VA and QF are my alternatives, so of course I'm going to consider their offering, and they charge between 0.4 and 0.9 per cent of the total fare value regardless of passenger numbers. NZ charges 3 per cent on a AUD$400 return fare ($6 per person per direction ex Australia, not the $4 you claim). A fairly typical fare. Break the bank? Probably not.

But why does a passenger have to pay more so that NZ can offer "simplified" fares? I'm sure passengers can grasp a percentage to reflect cost recovery as they can a flat fee regardless of fare. Yes this applies to low rent economy fares but, for most, that's the Tasman for you. Particularly domestic, hence the increased hit from it.

I'm not sure what NZ's policy is on long haul or J class. If it's at a loss then it raises the reasons as to why short haul subsidises long haul.

Whatever the claims, no way is this just for cost recovery. It does not cost you $4 to transact a $100 fare. And just because that $100 fare includes a return service or two people one way, it doesn't cost you $8. The card provider only knows the value of the sale and charges NZ accordingly. It doesn't charge a premium for additional pax or return segments.


Re QF and VA being your alternatives; isn't this like buying something from PB Tech which charges you vs Harvey Norman who doesn't? Unless you're taking advantage of a retailer-specific benefit (Say earning QF miles) would you really opt for one over the other based on a card fee?

Surely you'd opt for who had the best product and price combo - otherwise known as value for money.

I'm mistaken, the $4 rate is for domestic.

I'd also argue it costs more than $35 on a $14,000 business class booking to London but I'm sure you'd then say economy class customers are subsidising business class travellers.

Anyway, right or wrong. It is what it is and there's poli banking if you don't like it so no one is forced to do anything.


100 per cent an economy short haul traveller should not be subsidising the cost a transaction method for a long haul business class passenger. And it probably wouldn't make a difference to my selection but the airline knows that and behave accordingly, by gouging. But you add it to all the other fees that get tacked on and the lack of genuine choice on Seats-to-Suit, and yeah, NZ usually ends up as last choice on the Tasman.

The law was changed in Australia and the EU to reflect cost recovery only as airlines and other providers were gouging. VA caps theirs at AUD70 presumably for the premium or multi pax fares.

Now they've been brought into line. Storefront retailers have a slightly different scenario of having an option to pay cash, often at a discount to the listed price, suggesting the walk up price includes credit card transaction costs. Air NZ only offers a surprisingly dodgy alternative. Aistralian carriers provide the option of BPay which is straight from your bank account and fully protected. It's a pretty great option and is free. New Zealand lacks this facility.

The test really is... is $4 the cost of processing a transaction on a $50 fare? Or a $100 fare? I'd suggest that covers it on a $400-500 fare ONE WAY. And how many of those are there in the New Zealand domestic market? If the answer is no to the first two questions, you know NZ is gouging. And I know that it's "no".

Your last statement... dispiriting.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:50 am

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100 per cent an economy short haul traveller should not be subsidising the cost a transaction method for a long haul business class passenger. And it probably wouldn't make a difference to my selection but the airline knows that and behave accordingly, by gouging. But you add it to all the other fees that get tacked on and the lack of genuine choice on Seats-to-Suit, and yeah, NZ usually ends up as last choice on the Tasman.

The law was changed in Australia and the EU to reflect cost recovery only as airlines and other providers were gouging. VA caps theirs at AUD70 presumably for the premium or multi pax fares.

Now they've been brought into line. Storefront retailers have a slightly different scenario of having an option to pay cash, often at a discount to the listed price, suggesting the walk up price includes credit card transaction costs. Air NZ only offers a surprisingly dodgy alternative. Aistralian carriers provide the option of BPay which is straight from your bank account and fully protected. It's a pretty great option and is free. New Zealand lacks this facility.

The test really is... is $4 the cost of processing a transaction on a $50 fare? Or a $100 fare? I'd suggest that covers it on a $400-500 fare ONE WAY. And how many of those are there in the New Zealand domestic market? If the answer is no to the first two questions, you know NZ is gouging. And I know that it's "no".

Your last statement... dispiriting.


I'm not actually saying the short-haul traveller is subsiding the long haul traveller, I was preempting your response. You highlighted the $100 fares at one end of the argument so I merely pointed out the other end, yes it doesn't cost $4 on a $100 fare, it's more likely $2.50, a small $1.50 difference depending on the card of course, it may even be $1.00, but it also doesn't cost $35 on a $14,000 booking, more likely $350 at 2.5%.

The airline's approach is to find an appropriate total cost one way per pax in most costs and charge a rounded percentage on that. In other scenarios like long haul premium cabins, they've capped it at what would be 0.25% in my scenario. Very favourable for the customer.

Is it the best or right approach, everyone can be their own judge. Probably depends if you're better or worse on in your individual scenario.

I'm subjected to them as well. I would prefer they're lower or not there in many cases but I'll also use Poli for any short-haul or domestic bookings online.

My issue is with using emotive terms like "gouging" which is a bit far fetched in most cases. You're welcome to prefer another model or dislike the charges, as I said above I'm not a fan of them with airlines or elsewhere.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:04 am

Gasman wrote:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12275516

Finally. He certainly seems to have sound business credentials, but from a customer perspective I doubt the Walmart legacy points to a future upscaling of the NZ brand.


He was paid 21m by Walmart last year, so either he’s taking a massive pay cut or NZ is really stepping up.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:01 am

Kiwirob wrote:
Gasman wrote:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12275516

Finally. He certainly seems to have sound business credentials, but from a customer perspective I doubt the Walmart legacy points to a future upscaling of the NZ brand.


He was paid 21m by Walmart last year, so either he’s taking a massive pay cut or NZ is really stepping up.


I'd say the former. He's 58 years old and probably sees this as a stepping stone gig before retiring to Waiheke (or Matakana if he gets seasick)
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:35 am

Gasman wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:
Gasman wrote:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12275516

Finally. He certainly seems to have sound business credentials, but from a customer perspective I doubt the Walmart legacy points to a future upscaling of the NZ brand.


He was paid 21m by Walmart last year, so either he’s taking a massive pay cut or NZ is really stepping up.


I'd say the former. He's 58 years old and probably sees this as a stepping stone gig before retiring to Waiheke (or Matakana if he gets seasick)

Yeah this will be a bit of a swansong move back to NZ hang out with the grandkids deal. He’ll have plenty of time at the top if he wants as he isn’t old by CEO standards in general.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Sun Oct 13, 2019 10:19 am

f-wwel (zk-mzb) has done 2 test flights, meaning it will be delivered sometime end of the month or november.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:15 pm

Anyone know whats happening at AKL? Looks to be closed to all flights.
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