SeanM1997
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Biman Bangladesh adds Manchester from January 2020

Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:24 am

Biman Bangladesh will launch 3x weekly flights on the Dhaka - Manchester - Sylhet route from 4 January 2020. The route will be operated by the Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner and the timings are:

BG007 DAC 1230-1800 MAN (Tue/Sat/Sun)
BG208 MAN 2000-1200+1 ZYL (Tue/Sat/Sun)
BG208 ZYL 1930-2015 DAC (Tue/Sat)

The route will operate on Tuesdays, Saturdays and Sundays. Connections will be made on Tuesdays and Saturdays at Sylhet to Dhaka

https://airportrumours.blogspot.com/201 ... r.html?m=1

Information collated from @SeanM1997 and @airportnewsMAN on twitter as well as the blog post attached and Biman's website
 
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Re: Biman Bangladesh adds Manchester from January 2020

Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:48 am

This is a fantastic opening post. Good info and references.

About the route, I did not see this coming.

Seems Manchester has added a lot of airlines ever since the next-gen twins started rolling out.
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Re: Biman Bangladesh adds Manchester from January 2020

Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:14 am

MoKa777 wrote:
This is a fantastic opening post. Good info and references.

About the route, I did not see this coming.

Seems Manchester has added a lot of airlines ever since the next-gen twins started rolling out.


Thank you for liking my opening post. That means a lot and hopefully you like other posts or @SeanM1997 information

Regarding the route, it has been rumoured for about 6 months. Biman's London Heathrow route will remain a B777 instead of B787 which frees the aircraft for Manchester. There are also plans to extend the route to New York JFK (DAC-MAN-JFK-MAN-ZYL-DAC) once more Dreamliners arrive

There is a large Bangladeshi community in Northern England and the London-Bangladesh route has over 80% load factor. I think this route would be profitable and the JFK tag could help fill the capacity of MAN-JFK since Thomas Cook has gone
 
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Re: Biman Bangladesh adds Manchester from January 2020

Fri Oct 04, 2019 2:26 pm

Good news for the British Bangladeshi community in the North of England.

As a side note I've always found it staggering that despite being a nation of over 150 million people. The main airport of DAC only serves 19 million passengers a year.
 
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Re: Biman Bangladesh adds Manchester from January 2020

Fri Oct 04, 2019 2:29 pm

Even considering UK traffic is typically weighted on ZYL, I can't say the schedule makes sense.

I presume there must be another connecting service from ZYL to DAC, prior to the DAC-MAN service leaving, otherwise how do those ZYL pax depart in the first place and v.v. Plus for anyone going to DAC, that's a very long wait at ZYL, which is not a large airport with plentiful facilities. Although only 2 of the 3 flights continue at all.

With such a lot of dependencies, my take is that it's a recipe for delays. But I expect it will be sold at a very attractive price via the local network of travel agents.
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Re: Biman Bangladesh adds Manchester from January 2020

Fri Oct 04, 2019 2:40 pm

SeanM1997 wrote:
MoKa777 wrote:
There is a large Bangladeshi community in Northern England.


They're everywhere.
 
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Re: Biman Bangladesh adds Manchester from January 2020

Fri Oct 04, 2019 3:03 pm

PlymSpotter wrote:
Even considering UK traffic is typically weighted on ZYL, I can't say the schedule makes sense.

I presume there must be another connecting service from ZYL to DAC, prior to the DAC-MAN service leaving, otherwise how do those ZYL pax depart in the first place and v.v. Plus for anyone going to DAC, that's a very long wait at ZYL, which is not a large airport with plentiful facilities. Although only 2 of the 3 flights continue at all.

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The schedule mirrors that of DAC-LHR-ZYL-DAC flights.

Many years ago, there were no direct flights to ZYL from London, and flights only ran from LHR to DAC, where passengers would have to transfer to a domestic flight. Initially, customs had to be cleared in DAC. This was because Sylhet Airport did not have long enough runway and the terminal was rather small.

This represented an opportunity for dishonest employees at Biman (who run airport operations as well as flights in BD) as well as Civil Aviation Authority of Bangladesh. Luggage would go missing, not transferred to the connecting flight, and by the time it got to Sylhet, items in the luggage would be stolen. Often, passengers would be told the domestic connecting flight is full, so unless they bribed the Biman worked in Dhaka, the passenger would not be able to make the connecting flight (or any flight for the day).

As most of British Bangladeshis are from Sylhet and as they gathered political clout over time, there was pressure to upgrade sylhet

Even after the runway was extended in Sylhet, Biman took its sweet time to start direct flights, but even then, there was a catch. While the runway was extended, the refueling facility was not upgraded. So, direct flights from London were able to land, but no flights to London were seemingly viable. That meant that outbound flights were limited in range (not sure if it is technically correct, but that was the excuse provided). And that's where things are now. While the fuel pump issue is reported now taken care of, BG still schedules flights in this manner. Some say there are still opportunities of corruption like the flight from ZYL to DAC arriving too late, thus missing connection at DAC, which means BG must pay for local hotels for passengers (and those hotels then give kickbacks to BG employees). Not sure how true this is, but is not impossible to imagine.

So if a passenger is to fly from MAN or LHR to ZYL, the flights are non-stop, then usually a short stopover and the flight continues to DAC. On the outbound case, passengers from ZYL fly on Biman's Dash 8s or B737s and connect to flights to LHR and MAN.

Not sure why BG can't schedule in the following mannger

DAC-MAN-ZYL-DAC x2 weekly
DAC-ZYL-MAN-DAC x 2 weekly

(similarly with LHR)

Also, it would be interesting if MAN flights are extended to JFK. WIll the ZYL tag remain? While there are many Sylheti American Bangladeshis, it is not the overwhelming majority as it is in UK.
 
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Re: Biman Bangladesh adds Manchester from January 2020

Fri Oct 04, 2019 3:38 pm

CarbonFibre wrote:
SeanM1997 wrote:
MoKa777 wrote:
There is a large Bangladeshi community in Northern England.


They're everywhere.

Not true. Scotland has a pretty low number of people of Bangladeshi origin compared to other parts of the UK.
 
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Re: Biman Bangladesh adds Manchester from January 2020

Fri Oct 04, 2019 3:45 pm

Wouldn't this be a tech stop for YYZ & JFK?
 
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Re: Biman Bangladesh adds Manchester from January 2020

Fri Oct 04, 2019 3:47 pm

CarbonFibre wrote:
SeanM1997 wrote:
MoKa777 wrote:
There is a large Bangladeshi community in Northern England.


They're everywhere.

Not true. Scotland has a pretty low number of people of Bangladeshi origin compared to other parts of the UK.
 
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Re: Biman Bangladesh adds Manchester from January 2020

Fri Oct 04, 2019 4:26 pm

planemannyc wrote:
The schedule mirrors that of DAC-LHR-ZYL-DAC flights.


Except it doesn't. The LHR flights make a short stopover in ZYL, the MAN flight is being reported as staying on the ground for 7.5 hours (arv. 12:00, dep. 19:30) - if this isn't a mistake, it makes no sense.

In theory pax could connect into DAC using the inbound ZYL-DAC tag from LHR, then fly on to MAN, but that doesn't work for Tuesdays, as the LHR flight is only 4x weekly.

planemannyc wrote:
Not sure why BG can't schedule in the following mannger

DAC-MAN-ZYL-DAC x2 weekly
DAC-ZYL-MAN-DAC x 2 weekly

(similarly with LHR)


The problem (or blessing) is that ZYL's runway construction is inherently weak.

A technical assessment gives it a PCN (pavement classification) of 40 (FCYT). The C (which accounts for the pavement subgrade) is the big problem - in this case at MTOW, the 788 needs a PCN of 81 and the 77W needs a PCN of 89, so it is substantially weaker than required and practically means only short domestic flights are feasible on widebodies. Even the 737-800 is (supposed to be) weight restricted.

Practically, to see an improvement, you would need to close the airport and completely rebuild the entire runway with an adequate sub base. At some point that will be required anyway, because the more widebodies like the 788/77W they send in, the more it's going to damage the runway.

So why is it a blessing... well it gives Biman a complete monopoly at ZYL. Without this, you'd see the ME and Indian carriers operating in which, in all likelihood, would destroy Biman's operation there.
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Re: Biman Bangladesh adds Manchester from January 2020

Fri Oct 04, 2019 4:56 pm

Biman has got their eyes on 2 Boeing 787-9s originally intended for Hainan Airlines.Let's see if MAN would get the 787-8s or 787-9s.
 
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Re: Biman Bangladesh adds Manchester from January 2020

Fri Oct 04, 2019 6:23 pm

PlymSpotter wrote:
Except it doesn't. The LHR flights make a short stopover in ZYL, the MAN flight is being reported as staying on the ground for 7.5 hours (arv. 12:00, dep. 19:30) - if this isn't a mistake, it makes no sense.


As for the schedule, you are right. Why would the plane sit there for 7 1/2 hours prior to leaving for Dhaka. I think this must be a mistake (not uncommon for BG to upload erroneous info on GDS). My point was the routing mirrored that of LHR.

As for the runway construction, I did not know of this, so appreciate the info. I think it's all a scam on the part of BG and CAAB. Why would you extend the runway and not bring it to levels that can accommodate long haul travel given the demand for flights to UK?
 
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Re: Biman Bangladesh adds Manchester from January 2020

Fri Oct 04, 2019 6:32 pm

Breathe wrote:
Good news for the British Bangladeshi community in the North of England.

As a side note I've always found it staggering that despite being a nation of over 150 million people. The main airport of DAC only serves 19 million passengers a year.


Good news for Business too. Britain to the world.
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Re: Biman Bangladesh adds Manchester from January 2020

Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:31 pm

B7378E9 wrote:
Biman has got their eyes on 2 Boeing 787-9s originally intended for Hainan Airlines.Let's see if MAN would get the 787-8s or 787-9s.


Makes more sense than using 777-300ERs to MAN
 
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Re: Biman Bangladesh adds Manchester from January 2020

Sun Oct 06, 2019 4:37 pm

Weatherwatcher1 wrote:
B7378E9 wrote:
Biman has got their eyes on 2 Boeing 787-9s originally intended for Hainan Airlines.Let's see if MAN would get the 787-8s or 787-9s.


Makes more sense than using 777-300ERs to MAN

MAN will get 787s whilst LHR will be 77W but if the demand in MAN increases possibility of switching to 77W is high
 
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Re: Biman Bangladesh adds Manchester from January 2020

Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:05 pm

SeanM1997 wrote:
Biman Bangladesh will launch 3x weekly flights on the Dhaka - Manchester - Sylhet route from 4 January 2020. The route will be operated by the Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner and the timings are:

BG007 DAC 1230-1800 MAN (Tue/Sat/Sun)
BG208 MAN 2000-1200+1 ZYL (Tue/Sat/Sun)
BG208 ZYL 1930-2015 DAC (Tue/Sat)

The route will operate on Tuesdays, Saturdays and Sundays. Connections will be made on Tuesdays and Saturdays at Sylhet to Dhaka

https://airportrumours.blogspot.com/201 ... r.html?m=1

Information collated from @SeanM1997 and @airportnewsMAN on twitter as well as the blog post attached and Biman's website


In 2018, the P2P demand between DAC and England (round trip pax) was as follows:

LON 136,000 (LHR + LGW + STN)
MAN 23,000
BHX 15,000

JFK on the other hand was 148,000 !

Now if they wanted to fly DAC-MAN-JFK then one can understand but if the idea was to just operate 3 weekly DAC-MAN-DAC then there are bigger markets in EU / Asia such as:

AMM 72,000
FCO 61,000
SYD 54,000
MXP 37,000
CDG 28,000

And yes I've read too that Bangladesh is eyeing the 2 Hainan B789s to add to their fleet.
 
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Re: Biman Bangladesh adds Manchester from January 2020

Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:20 pm

PlymSpotter wrote:
planemannyc wrote:
The schedule mirrors that of DAC-LHR-ZYL-DAC flights.


Except it doesn't. The LHR flights make a short stopover in ZYL, the MAN flight is being reported as staying on the ground for 7.5 hours (arv. 12:00, dep. 19:30) - if this isn't a mistake, it makes no sense.




The initial scheduling must have been a mistake. Here is the updated schedule:

BG007 DAC1230 – 1800MAN 267
BG208 MAN2000 – 1200+1ZYL1300+1 – 1340+1DAC 788 267

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... ight=dhaka

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