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OAG Changes 11/10/2019: AA Exits BWI-PHX;B6 Adds DCA-MVY;DY Drops JFK-MAD;G4 Exits FNL?;SY

Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:56 pm

FAQ

AS OF JULY 2018 THERE ARE CHANGES TO THE FORMAT OF THIS REPORT...SEE BELOW

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares departures for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...prior year departures are now shown in brackets e.g. [0].

THE SCHEDULES SHOWN HERE CHANGE AFTER YOU POST???
-To improve is to change; to be perfect is to change often---Winston Churchill. This is data the carriers filed at the point in time it was captured. It's changed since then. You are just going to have to live with it.

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5[4] JAN 4>5[4]
XXX Departure IATA code, YYY Arrival IATA code, Month, Average Departures/Day over the month for sale as of last week, Average Departures/Day over the month for sale as of this week, in brackets is the number of Average Departures/Day over the month that were scheduled one year earlier. So, it means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. It also means that there were 4 roundtrips the prior year in each month. No other months were changed. I average two directions.

WHAT ABOUT CARRIERS THAT DON'T PUBLISH A SCHEDULE 9 MONTHS IN ADVANCE?
NEW CHANGE-Sometimes airlines do not load their schedules for the entire 330 day standard sales window. Southwest and many LCCs load their schedules for as little as 5 months into the future. When these flight are extended into a new sales month, it becomes a "schedule change". Previously, I have manually deleted these in many cases and replaced them with a Year-Over-Year compare. Effective immediately, this will now change. When a flight is loaded from 0 departures X departures, where X was the same the prior year, the record will not be shown. For example, if Delta loaded ATL-EGE MAR 0>1(1), it would not be shown because this additional flight does not represent a real year-over-year addition. Similarly, if B6 extended their schedule a record like this ATL-BOS JUL 0>4(4) would not be shown. It will be shown if the flight frequency changed from the prior year. So B6 ATL-BOS JUL 0>3(4) would be shown. If a partial month was loaded in a core schedule that became a full schedule month, those changes may be shown under this logic. For example, WN BNA-SEA 0.3>2(2). Because only a fraction of the month was previously loaded for sale, these changes will not be filtered out. I may, however, manually remove them to declutter.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month. The following criteria are used to show a change: 1) The change must be at least 6 roundtrips per month with no exceptions, 2) changes of at least 6/week are always shown, 3) routes that are added or dropped are shown subject to the change minimum, and 4) in all other cases routes must change by 20% to be shown. For example, if a route changed from 21/week to 18/week it would not be shown because the change is -14.3%. This is done to filter minor changes that occur in large numbers.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Flights that do not operate every day of the month create fractional service. If the route has more than 2 daily flights, departures are rounded, but in cases of less than 2 departures per day a fraction is shown. For example, if a flight operates 4 times in April it will show 4/30=0.133=0.1. Also , a flight that only operates once per week may vary between 0.1 and 0.2 because a weekday may repeat either 4 or 5 times depending on the month.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE SKYWEST
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
Seats are not shown. That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THIS LOOKS LIKE AN ERROR?
The carriers file the schedules. They do make mistakes. Most of the mistakes I have seen are either related to code shares not being marked as "duplicates" or carriers filing flights with invalid data such as equipment codes that are not standard or overlapping schedule periods that see the same flight number in two places at once. These cause flights to not appear.

CHARTERS?
Lately charters have been showing up in the database. I have no idea if that will continue.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

3M FLL-FPO DEC 1.1>0.4[3]

AA AVL-PHL FEB 1.0>1.6[0] MAR 1.0>2[0] APR 1.0>2[0] MAY 1.0>2[1.0] JUN 1.0>2[1.0] JUL 1.0>2[1.0] AUG 1.0>2[1.0]
**AA BWI-PHX APR 2>0.4[2] MAY 2>0[1.7] JUN 2>0[0.8] JUL 2>0[1.0] AUG 2>0[0.9]
AA CLT-EYW APR 1.8>5[3] MAY 1.0>1.8[1.3]
AA CLT-GCM APR 3>2[3]
AA CUN-DFW APR 5>6[6]
AA CUN-MIA APR 6>5[5] MAY 6>5[5] JUN 4>5[5] JUL 4>5[5]
AA DFW-FSD MAR 2>3[2]
AA DFW-GSO APR 3>2[3] MAY 3>2[3] JUN 3>2[3] JUL 3>2[3] AUG 3>2[3]
AA DFW-IND APR 5>6[5] MAY 5>6[5] JUN 5>6[5] JUL 5>6[5]
AA DFW-PIT MAR 4>5[4] APR 4>5[4]
AA DFW-RSW MAR 4>5[4] APR 4>5[4]
AA LAX-SDF MAR 1.0>0.7[0]
AA MCO-MIA DEC 7>8[8]
AA MIA-PLS JUN 3>2[3] JUL 3>2[3]
AA MIA-POP JUN 1.9>1.0[1.8] JUL 2>1.0[2] AUG 1.5>1.0[1.6]
AA MIA-PUJ JUN 4>2[3] JUL 4>2[3] AUG 3>2[3]
AA MYR-PHL FEB 1.1>1.7[1.5] MAR 1.6>3[2] APR 3>4[2]
AA ORD-RDU MAR 5>3[4] AUG 5>6[5]
AA PHL-PUJ JUN 2>1.1[2] JUL 2>1.1[2] AUG 2>1.5[1.7]
AA PHL-STL MAR 3>4[4]
AA PHL-YOW FEB 3>1.9[3] MAR 3>2[3] APR 3>2[3] MAY 3>2[2] JUN 3>2[2] JUL 3>2[2.0] AUG 3>2[2]

AM JFK-MEX JAN 3>2[4]
AM LAX-MEX JAN 4>1.5[5]

AS BIL-PDX APR 1.0>1.3[0.9] MAY 1.0>2[0.9] JUN 1.0>2[1.0] JUL 1.0>2[1.0] AUG 1.0>1.5[1.0]
AS BOS-LAX MAY 1.3>1.0[1.0] JUN 2>1.4[1.8]
AS HNL-PDX JUL 1.3>2[1.3] AUG 1.1>1.5[1.2]
AS shifts OAK capacity to PDX
AS KOA-OAK MAY 0.6>0.4[1.0] JUN 1.0>0.4[1.0] JUL 1.0>0.4[1.0] AUG 0.9>0.5[0.9]
*AS KOA-PDX JUN 0>0.6[0.2] JUL 0>0.6[0] AUG 0>0.3[0]
AS LAX-PVR JUL 1.6>2[1.5]
*AS LIH-PDX JUN 0>0.4[0.2] JUL 0>0.4[0] AUG 0>0.2[0]
AS LIH-SEA JUN 1.6>2[1.6] JUL 1.6>2[1.6]
AS OAK-OGG JUN 1.0>0.6[1.0] JUL 1.0>0.6[1.0] AUG 1.0>0.8[1.0]

B6 extends schedule. JUN was a partial month, but appears they extended to 8/31, so JUL and AUG can be compared to last year.
B6 ACK-BOS JUN 0.2>2[1.2] JUL 0>3[1.7] AUG 0>3[1.7]
B6 ACK-DCA JUN 0.1>0.4[0.4] AUG 0>0.5[0.4]
B6 ACK-HPN JUL 0>1.0[0.7] AUG 0>0.9[0.7]
B6 ACK-LGA JUL 0>1.3[1.4] AUG 0>1.3[1.5]
B6 ANU-JFK JUN 0.1>0.5[0.5] JUL 0>0.6[0.5] AUG 0>0.5[0.6]
B6 ATL-JFK JUN 0.7>1.9[2] JUL 0>1.9[2] AUG 0>1.8[2]
B6 AUA-BOS JUN 0.8>1.9[1.3] JUL 0>1.5[1.3] AUG 0>1.6[1.3]
B6 AUA-FLL JUN 0.1>0.5[1.0] JUL 0>0.6[1.0] AUG 0>0.6[1.0]
B6 AUS-BOS JUN 0.7>2[1.0] JUL 0>2[1.0] AUG 0>2[1.0]
B6 AUS-MCO JUN 0.3>1.0[1.0] AUG 0>0.8[1.0]
B6 BDL-SJU JUN 0.3>1.3[1.0] JUL 0>1.4[1.0] AUG 0>1.4[1.0]
B6 BGI-FLL JUN 0.1>0.4[0.8] JUL 0>0.4[0.5] AUG 0>0.5[0.6]
B6 BGI-JFK JUN 0.7>2[1.9] JUL 0>2[1.7] AUG 0>2[1.7]
B6 BOG-FLL JUN 0.3>1.7[1.0] JUL 0>1.9[0.9] AUG 0>2[1.0]
B6 BOS-BUR JUN 0.3>1.0[0.7] JUL 0>1.0[0.4] AUG 0>1.0[0.4]
B6 BOS-BWI JUN 2.0>5[6] AUG 0>5[6]
B6 BOS-CLE JUN 1.5>4[3] JUL 0>4[3] AUG 0>4[3]
B6 BOS-CLT JUN 1.5>5[3] JUL 0>5[3] AUG 0>5[3]
B6 BOS-DCA JUN 5>15[10] JUL 0>15[12] AUG 0>15[13]
B6 BOS-DEN JUN 0.6>3[1.9] JUL 0>3[2] AUG 0>3[2]
B6 BOS-DFW JUN 0.7>2[1.8] JUL 0>2[1.9] AUG 0>2[1.8]
B6 BOS-DTW JUN 1.3>4[3] JUL 0>4[3] AUG 0>4[3]
B6 BOS-EWR JUN 2>7[5] JUL 0>8[5] AUG 0>8[5]
B6 BOS-IAH JUN 0.3>1.0[0] JUL 0>1.0[0] AUG 0>1.0[0]
B6 BOS-JAX JUN 0.7>1.9[3] JUL 0>1.9[3] AUG 0>1.8[3]
B6 BOS-JFK JUN 1.7>6[5] JUL 0>6[5] AUG 0>6[5]
B6 BOS-LAX JUN 1.3>4[4] JUL 0>5[4] AUG 0>5[4]
B6 BOS-MBJ JUL 0>0.3[0.1] AUG 0>0.3[0.2]
B6 BOS-MCO JUN 2.0>5[5] JUL 0>6[5] AUG 0>6[5]
B6 BOS-MVY JUN 0.1>0.6[0.3] AUG 0>0.9[1.0]
B6 BOS-OAK JUN 0>0.7[0.3] JUL 0>1.0[0.6] AUG 0>1.0[0.5]
B6 BOS-ORD JUN 1.7>6[5] JUL 0>6[5] AUG 0>6[5]
B6 BOS-PAP JUN 0.2>0.6[0.5] JUL 0>0.7[0.6] AUG 0>0.7[0.6]
B6 BOS-PBI JUN 1.0>3[3] JUL 0>4[3] AUG 0>4[3]
B6 BOS-PDX JUN 0>1.3[1.1] JUL 0>2[1.9] AUG 0>2[1.6]
B6 BOS-PHL JUN 3>8[6] JUL 0>8[6] AUG 0>8[7]
B6 BOS-PHX MAY 1.0>2[1.0] JUN 0.3>2[1.0] JUL 0>2[1.0] AUG 0>2[1.0]
B6 BOS-PIT JUN 1.7>5[6] JUL 0>5[6] AUG 0>5[6]
B6 BOS-RSW JUN 1.3>3[3] JUL 0>3[2] AUG 0>3[2]
B6 BOS-SAN JUN 1.0>3[2] JUL 0>4[3] AUG 0>4[3]
B6 BOS-SAV JUN 0.7>2[1.3] JUL 0>2[1.1] AUG 0>2[1.2]
B6 BOS-SDQ JUN 0.7>3[1.8] JUL 0>3[1.7] AUG 0>3[1.7]
B6 BOS-SEA JUN 0.6>3[1.9] JUL 0>3[2] AUG 0>3[2.0]
B6 BOS-SFO JUN 1.9>6[5] JUL 0>6[5] AUG 0>6[5]
B6 BOS-SJC JUN 0.3>1.7[0.9] JUL 0>2[1.0] AUG 0>2[1.0]
B6 BOS-SMF JUN 0.3>1.0[0.8] JUL 0>1.0[0.9] AUG 0>1.0[0.9]
B6 BOS-STI JUN 0.7>2[1.4] JUL 0>2[1.7] AUG 0>2[1.7]
B6 BOS-TPA JUN 1.3>3[4] JUL 0>3[4] AUG 0>3[4]
B6 BQN-FLL JUN 0.2>0.5[0.5] AUG 0>0.5[0.4]
B6 BQN-MCO JUN 0.3>1.3[1.0] JUL 0>1.5[1.0] AUG 0>1.5[0.6]
B6 CHS-JFK JUN 0.9>2[3] JUL 0>2[3] AUG 0>2[3]
B6 CLE-FLL JUN 0.3>1.0[1.0] AUG 0>1.0[0.9]
B6 CTG-JFK JUN 0.2>1.0[0.6] JUL 0>1.4[0.9] AUG 0>1.4[0.9]
B6 CUR-JFK JUN 0.1>0.4[0.4] JUL 0>0.4[0.5] AUG 0>0.5[0.4]
B6 DCA-FLL JUN 2>6[5] JUL 0>6[5] AUG 0>6[5]
**B6 DCA-MVY JUN 0>0.3[0] JUL 0>0.4[0] AUG 0>0.5[0]
B6 DCA-PBI JUN 0.7>2[1.0] JUL 0>2[1.0] AUG 0>2[1.0]
B6 DEN-JFK JUN 0.3>1.7[1.8] JUL 0>2[1.9] AUG 0>2[1.8]
B6 EWR-FLL JUN 1.3>4[3] JUL 0>5[3] AUG 0>5[3]
B6 EWR-SDQ JUN 0.3>1.7[1.0] JUL 0>2[1.0] AUG 0>2[1.0]
B6 EWR-SJU JUN 0.5>1.8[1.3] JUL 0>1.9[1.5] AUG 0>1.9[1.5]
B6 EWR-STI JUN 0.7>3[1.6] JUL 0>3[2] AUG 0>3[2]
B6 FLL-GCM JUN 0.1>0.4[1.0] JUL 0>0.4[1.0] AUG 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 FLL-JAX JUN 1.2>4[3] JUL 0>4[3] AUG 0>4[3]
B6 FLL-KIN JAN 1.7>2[2] JUN 0.7>3[3] JUL 0>4[3] AUG 0>4[3]
B6 FLL-LAS MAY 1.0>2[1.0] JUN 0.3>2[1.0] JUL 0>2[1.0] AUG 0>1.3[1.0]
B6 FLL-LGA JUN 1.3>3[4] JUL 0>3[4] AUG 0>3[4]
B6 FLL-MBJ JAN 1.0>1.3[1.0] JUN 0.4>2[1.6] JUL 0>3[2] AUG 0>3[2]
B6 FLL-NAS JUN 1.0>3[4] JUL 0>3[4] AUG 0>3[4]
B6 FLL-PLS JUN 0.2>0.7[1.0] JUL 0>0.7[1.0] AUG 0>0.7[1.0]
B6 FLL-PUJ JUN 0.3>0.6[1.4] JUL 0>0.4[1.0] AUG 0>0.5[1.0]
B6 FLL-RDU JUN 0.7>2[2] AUG 0>1.9[2]
B6 FLL-SAN JUN 0.3>0.9[0.8] AUG 0>0.8[1.0]
B6 FLL-SFO JUN 0.7>3[2] JUL 0>3[2] AUG 0>3[2]
B6 FLL-STI JUN 0.2>0.6[1.0] JUL 0>0.6[1.0] AUG 0>0.6[1.0]
B6 FLL-SXM JUN 0.1>0.4[1.0] JUL 0>0.4[1.0] AUG 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 FLL-UIO JUN 0.3>1.0[1.6] JUL 0>1.0[2] AUG 0>1.0[2]
B6 GCM-JFK JUN 0.2>0.6[0.7] JUL 0>0.5[0.7] AUG 0>0.6[0.7]
B6 GEO-JFK JUN 0.3>1.0[0] JUL 0>1.0[0] AUG 0>1.0[0]
B6 GYE-JFK JUN 0.3>1.0[0] JUL 0>1.0[0] AUG 0>1.0[0]
B6 HPN-MCO JUN 1.0>3[3] JUL 0>3[4] AUG 0>3[4]
B6 HPN-RSW JUN 0.7>2[1.0] JUL 0>2[1.0] AUG 0>2[1.0]
B6 IAH-JFK JUN 0.3>1.0[0] JUL 0>1.0[0] AUG 0>1.0[0]
B6 JFK-LAS JUN 1.3>4[4] AUG 0>4[3]
B6 JFK-LIR JUN 0.2>0.8[0.5] JUL 0>1.0[0.5] AUG 0>1.0[0.6]
B6 JFK-MBJ JUN 0.7>3[2] AUG 0>3[4]
B6 JFK-MSY JUN 0.7>2[3] JUL 0>2.0[2] AUG 0>2.0[2]
B6 JFK-NAS JUN 0.7>2[2] JUL 0>2[3] AUG 0>2[3]
B6 JFK-PBI JUN 1.0>3[3] JUL 0>3[2] AUG 0>3[2]
B6 JFK-PLS JUN 0.3>1.1[1.0] JUL 0>1.1[1.0] AUG 0>1.2[1.0]
B6 JFK-POP JUN 0.3>1.7[1.0] JUL 0>2[1.0] AUG 0>2[1.0]
B6 JFK-PUJ JUN 1.0>2[3] JUL 0>1.9[3] AUG 0>1.8[2]
B6 JFK-SAN MAY 2>3[1.9] JUN 0.7>3[1.9] JUL 0>3[2] AUG 0>3[2]
B6 JFK-SJO JUN 0.1>0.6[0] JUL 0>1.0[0] AUG 0>1.0[0]
B6 JFK-STI JUN 1.7>6[7] JUL 0>7[8] AUG 0>7[8]
B6 JFK-UVF JUN 0.3>1.0[1.1] JUL 0>1.1[1.0] AUG 0>1.2[1.0]
B6 LGA-MCO JUN 1.0>3[4] JUL 0>3[4] AUG 0>3[4]
B6 MBJ-MCO JUN 0.3>1.0[1.0] AUG 0>1.0[1.9]
B6 MCO-PAP JUN 0.2>0.8[0.9] JUL 0>0.9[1.0] AUG 0>0.9[1.0]
B6 MCO-PSE JUN 0.3>1.0[0.9] AUG 0>1.0[0.7]
B6 MCO-RIC JUN 0.6>1.9[1.3] JUL 0>2[1.0] AUG 0>2[1.0]
B6 MCO-SDQ JUN 0.3>1.7[1.0] JUL 0>2[1.0] AUG 0>2[1.0]
B6 MCO-SJU JUN 1.1>3[3] JUL 0>4[3] AUG 0>4[3]
B6 SJU-TPA JUN 0.3>1.0[1.0] AUG 0>1.0[0.7]

DL ATL-AVL MAY 7>8[7]
DL ATL-MCO MAY 18>16[16] JUN 18>17[17] JUL 18>17[16] AUG 18>17[16]
DL ATL-RIC JUL 9>10[9] AUG 9>10[10]
DL CDG-JFK AUG 1.0>2[1.0]
DL CPH-JFK MAY 0.8>0.4[0.3]
DL DCA-LGA APR 9>8[10] MAY 9>8[10] JUN 9>8[10] JUL 9>8[9] AUG 9>8[10]
DL FCO-JFK AUG 2>1.0[2]
DL FLL-MSP MAY 1.6>1.3[1.0]
DL JFK-SXM APR 1.0>0.7[1.0] MAY 1.0>0.7[1.0]
DL MSP-TUS MAY 0.6>0.1[0.4]

**DY JFK-MAD APR 0.6>0[0.6] MAY 0.6>0[1.0] JUN 0.6>0[1.0] JUL 0.6>0[1.0] AUG 0.6>0[1.0]

That was fast. They are gone already?
**G4 AZA-FNL DEC 0.3>0[0] JAN 0.3>0[0] FEB 0.3>0[0] MAR 0.3>0[0] APR 0.3>0[0]
**G4 FNL-LAS DEC 0.6>0[0] JAN 0.4>0[0] FEB 0.3>0[0] MAR 0.6>0[0] APR 0.6>0[0] MAY 0.6>0.4[0]

HX HKG-LAX FEB 0.6>0.1[1.0] MAR 0.6>0[1.0] APR 0.6>0[1.0] MAY 0.6>0[0.8] JUN 0.6>0[0.9] JUL 0.5>0[1.0] AUG 0.6>0[0.9]

*JL NRT-SFO APR 0>1.0[0] MAY 0>1.0[0] JUN 0>1.0[0] JUL 0>1.0[0] AUG 0>1.0[0]

KE ICN-LAX MAY 2>3[2] JUN 2>3[2] JUL 2>3[2] AUG 2>3[2]

SA DSS-IAD APR 0.3>0[0.3]

Schedule extension. Seems like AUG may only be 26 or 27 days loaded.
SY ANC-MSP MAY 0>0.3[0.2] JUN 0>1.6[1.5] JUL 0>2[1.9] AUG 0>1.3[1.6]
SY AUS-MSP JUL 0>0.3[0.4]
SY BNA-LAX MAY 0>0.2[0.6] JUL 0>0.6[0.5] AUG 0>0.4[0.6]
*SY BNA-MSN MAY 0>0.3[0] JUN 0>0.3[0] JUL 0>0.3[0] AUG 0>0.2[0]
SY BNA-MSP APR 0.2>0.4[0.3] JUL 0>0.6[0.5] AUG 0>0.5[0.6]
SY BNA-PDX MAY 0>0.2[0.3] JUL 0>0.6[0.5] AUG 0>0.5[0.6]
*SY BOS-MSN MAY 0>0.3[0] JUN 0>0.3[0] JUL 0>0.3[0] AUG 0>0.2[0]
SY BOS-MSP APR 0>0.4[0.5] JUN 0>0.8[1.0] AUG 0>0.8[1.0]
*SY BWI-MSP MAY 0>0.2[0] JUN 0>0.6[0] JUL 0>0.6[0] AUG 0>0.4[0]
*SY BZN-MSP JUN 0>0.3[0] JUL 0>0.3[0] AUG 0>0.2[0]
*SY CLE-MSP JUN 0>0.3[0] JUL 0>0.3[0] AUG 0>0.2[0]
SY CUN-DFW JUN 0>3[2] JUL 0>3[2] AUG 0>1.1[1.3]
SY CUN-MSP APR 0.9>1.2[1.3] JUN 0>0.2[0.3]
SY DEN-MSP APR 0.1>0.6[0.4] MAY 0>0.6[0.8] JUN 0>1.2[1.3] AUG 0>1.2[1.6]
SY DFW-LAS APR 0.1>0.5[1.1] JUN 0>0.8[1.2] JUL 0>0.9[1.1] AUG 0>0.6[1.0]
SY DFW-MSP APR 0.1>0.4[0] MAY 0>0.6[0.1] JUN 0>0.7[0.3] JUL 0>0.7[0.3] AUG 0>0.6[0.2]
SY DFW-PUJ JUN 0>0.3[1.1] JUL 0>0.3[1.1]
*SY DFW-PVR JUN 0>0.3[0] JUL 0>0.3[0]
*SY DFW-SJD JUN 0>0.3[0] JUL 0>0.3[0] AUG 0>0.2[0]
*SY EWR-MSN MAY 0>0.2[0] JUN 0>0.3[0] JUL 0>0.3[0] AUG 0>0.2[0]
SY EWR-MSP APR 0.3>0.6[0.4] MAY 0>0.9[1.0] AUG 0>0.8[1.0]
SY HNL-LAX MAY 0>0.2[0.4] AUG 0>0.7[0.8]
SY HNL-PDX AUG 0>0.2[0.3]
SY HNL-SFO JUN 0>0.7[0.6] JUL 0>0.7[0.5] AUG 0>0.5[0.6]
SY HRL-MSP APR 0.4>0.6[0.5]
SY LAS-MSP APR 1.3>3[3] JUL 0>1.9[2] AUG 0>1.5[2]
SY LAS-PDX MAY 0>0.3[0.6] JUN 0>0.3[0.7] JUL 0>0.3[0.7] AUG 0>0.2[0.7]
SY LAX-MSP APR 0.5>1.3[1.4] AUG 0>2[3]
*SY MCO-MSN MAY 0>0.3[0] JUN 0>0.3[0] JUL 0>0.3[0] AUG 0>0.2[0]
SY MIA-MSP APR 0.9>1.2[0.9] MAY 0>0.4[0]
*SY MSN-PDX JUN 0>0.3[0] JUL 0>0.3[0] AUG 0>0.2[0]
*SY MSN-SEA MAY 0>0.2[0] JUN 0>0.3[0] JUL 0>0.3[0] AUG 0>0.2[0]
SY MSP-MSY APR 0.2>0.5[0.3] MAY 0>0.5[0.3]
*SY MSP-MYR MAR 0>0.2[0] APR 0>0.2[0.3] JUL 0>0.3[0.0] AUG 0>0.2[0]
SY MSP-ORD APR 0.2>0.6[0.2] AUG 0>0.7[1.0]
SY MSP-PDX MAY 0>0.8[0.7] JUL 0>1.0[1.1] AUG 0>0.8[1.0]
SY MSP-PHL MAY 0>0.4[0.6] JUN 0>0.7[1.0] JUL 0>0.7[1.0] AUG 0>0.5[0.9]
SY MSP-PHX APR 1.3>2[2] JUL 0>0.6[0.5] AUG 0>0.6[0.9]
SY MSP-PSP APR 0.4>0.7[0.7] MAY 0>0.3[0.4]
SY MSP-PVD JUN 0>0.5[0.6] AUG 0>0.5[0.6]
*SY MSP-PWM JUL 0>0.3[0] AUG 0>0.2[0]
SY MSP-RSW APR 1.5>3[3] MAY 0>1.5[1.3] JUN 0>0.9[1.0] AUG 0>0.6[1.0]
SY MSP-SAN APR 0.4>0.8[0.7] MAY 0>0.8[0.7] JUN 0>0.9[1.0] AUG 0>0.8[1.0]
SY MSP-SAT JUN 0>0.3[0.6] JUL 0>0.3[0.5]
SY MSP-SAV MAY 0>0.2[0.3]
SY MSP-SEA APR 0>0.2[0.4] AUG 0>1.6[2]
SY MSP-SFO APR 0.3>0.8[1.4] MAY 0>1.4[1.5] JUN 0>1.8[2] JUL 0>1.8[2] AUG 0>1.4[2]
SY MSP-SMF JUN 0>0.3[0.6] JUL 0>0.3[0.5] AUG 0>0.2[0.6]
SY MSP-STL JUN 0>0.3[0.5] JUL 0>0.3[0.5] AUG 0>0.2[0.6]
SY MSP-TPA APR 0.9>1.7[1.7] MAY 0>0.4[0.5]
SY PDX-SFO JUN 0>0.3[0.5] JUL 0>0.3[0.8] AUG 0>0.2[0.9]
*SY PDX-SJD JAN 0.3>0.1[0] FEB 0.3>0[0] MAR 0.3>0[0]
SY PDX-STL AUG 0>0.2[0.3]

TP BOS-LIS MAR 0.7>1.0[0.7]
TP EWR-LIS MAR 0.7>1.0[0.7]

UA ABQ-ORD JAN 0.8>1.2[2] FEB 0.6>1.0[1.5]
UA ALB-EWR JUN 5>4[4] JUL 5>4[4] AUG 5>4[4]
UA ATW-ORD JUN 5>6[5] JUL 5>6[5] AUG 5>6[5]
UA BIL-DEN JUN 4>5[5] JUL 4>5[5]
UA BUF-ORD JUN 4>5[6] JUL 4>5[6]
UA CHS-ORD JUN 3>4[4] JUL 3>4[4]
UA CLE-DEN JUN 3>4[4] JUL 3>4[4]
UA DCA-ORD APR 12>14[14]
UA DEN-FAT JUN 4>5[3] JUL 4>5[3]
UA DEN-GEG JUN 2>3[3] JUL 2>3[3] AUG 2>3[3]
UA DEN-LAX JUN 7>9[8] JUL 7>9[8] AUG 7>8[8]
UA DEN-MCI JUN 5>6[5] JUL 5>6[4] AUG 5>6[5]
UA DEN-MSY JUN 3>2[3] JUL 3>2[3]
UA DEN-OKC APR 5>6[5] MAY 5>6[5] JUN 5>6[6] JUL 5>6[6] AUG 5>6[6]
UA DEN-ORD JUN 10>11[11] JUL 10>11[11]
UA DEN-RAP JUN 6>7[7] JUL 6>7[7]
UA DEN-RSW MAY 1.2>2[1.1] JUN 0.4>1.4[0.5] JUL 0.3>1.3[0.3] AUG 0.4>1.4[0.2]
UA DEN-SFO JUN 9>11[10] JUL 9>11[11] AUG 9>10[12]
*UA IAD-PUJ JAN 1.0>0.3[1.0] FEB 1.0>0.2[1.5]
UA IAH-PHL JAN 4>3[4]
UA KOA-LAX APR 2>1.3[2]
UA LAX-MFR APR 3>2[1.7] MAY 3>2[1.7] JUN 3>2[1.9] JUL 3>2[2] AUG 3>2[2]
UA LAX-ORD APR 10>9[10]
That's a short flight!
*UA LAX-PSP JUN 1.0>0.1[1.0] JUL 1.0>0[1.0] AUG 1.0>0.4[1.0]
UA LAX-RNO APR 2>3[3]
UA LAX-SAN APR 5>4[5]
UA MCI-SFO JAN 1.9>1.0[2] FEB 2.0>1.6[2.0]
UA MCO-SFO JAN 3>2[2]
Wonder if DL will add this now
*UA MIA-SFO APR 1.0>0[0] MAY 0.2>0[0]
UA MSY-SFO APR 1.0>2[2.0] MAY 1.0>1.2[1.9]
UA OKC-ORD APR 4>3[3]
UA ORD-PDX APR 4>3[3]
UA ORD-PHL APR 7>6[6]
UA ORD-PHX APR 5>6[5]
UA ORD-PVD APR 3>2[3]
UA ORD-PWM APR 3>1.9[2]
UA ORD-RIC APR 6>5[4]
UA ORD-RSW APR 4>5[3]
UA ORD-SBN APR 5>6[5] MAY 5>6[4] JUN 5>6[4] JUL 5>6[4] AUG 5>6[4]
UA ORD-SEA APR 5>4[5]
UA ORD-SFO APR 12>10[11]
UA ORD-SJC APR 1.9>1.0[1.9]
UA ORD-STL APR 8>9[9] MAY 8>9[9] JUN 8>9[8] JUL 8>9[8] AUG 8>9[8]
UA ORD-SYR APR 5>4[4]
UA ORD-TPA APR 4>5[4]
UA ORD-TVC APR 3>4[4] MAY 3>4[4] JUN 3>4[4] JUL 3>4[4] AUG 3>4[4]
UA ORD-YOW APR 3>1.9[3]
UA ORD-YWG APR 2>1.0[2]
UA PDX-SFO APR 9>7[7]
UA PHX-SFO APR 4>5[5]
UA PSP-SFO APR 5>6[6]
UA RNO-SFO APR 4>5[5]
UA SBP-SFO APR 4>3[4] MAY 4>3[4] JUN 4>3[4] JUL 4>3[4] AUG 4>3[5]
UA SEA-SFO APR 9>7[8] MAY 9>7[8] JUN 9>7[9] JUL 9>7[9] AUG 9>7[14]
UA SFO-YYZ JAN 1.8>1.0[0] FEB 2>1.6[0]

VS LAS-MAN JUL 0.5>0.8[0.5] AUG 0.6>0.9[0.6]
VS MAN-MCO JUL 1.4>1.7[1.4]

WS HNL-YVR JAN 2>3[2]
WS HNL-YYC JAN 0.4>0[0.3]
WS OGG-YEG JAN 0.2>0[0.3]
WS OGG-YYC JAN 0.8>0.6[1.0]
WS PHX-YEG JAN 1.6>1.0[1.5]
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:03 pm

enilria wrote:
**AA BWI-PHX APR 2>0.4[2] MAY 2>0[1.7] JUN 2>0[0.8] JUL 2>0[1.0] AUG 2>0[0.9]


Looking at schedules around Monday, 11/18, one doesn't see a lot of competition on WAS-PHX:

1x UA IAD-PHX
3x WN BWI-PHX

I'm a little surprised WN could push AA off a route of this length where seat assignments and BOB have some value.
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:07 pm

enilria wrote:
That was fast. They are gone already?
**G4 AZA-FNL DEC 0.3>0[0] JAN 0.3>0[0] FEB 0.3>0[0] MAR 0.3>0[0] APR 0.3>0[0]
**G4 FNL-LAS DEC 0.6>0[0] JAN 0.4>0[0] FEB 0.3>0[0] MAR 0.6>0[0] APR 0.6>0[0] MAY 0.6>0.4[0]


Has to do with the "virtual" tower not being ready yet
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:08 pm

Thanks enilria!

Lots of B6 additions at BOS compared to last summer. +1 to ACK/LAX/SAN/SFO/SJC/SEA/DEN/PHX. Looks like LAX/SEA coincide with some AS reductions. LAX is the only Mint addition while SAN/SFO/SEA get more all-Core capacity.

Nice to see B6 throw a third Mint frequency on JFKSAN. Perhaps they are speculating that AA will permanently exit, like they did JFKSEA.

Crazy to see UA exit MIASFO. Does that leave only AA and B6 connecting SF to South Florida nonstop?
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:11 pm

Thanks, as always, for putting this together!
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:15 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
enilria wrote:
**AA BWI-PHX APR 2>0.4[2] MAY 2>0[1.7] JUN 2>0[0.8] JUL 2>0[1.0] AUG 2>0[0.9]


Looking at schedules around Monday, 11/18, one doesn't see a lot of competition on WAS-PHX:

1x UA IAD-PHX
3x WN BWI-PHX

I'm a little surprised WN could push AA off a route of this length where seat assignments and BOB have some value.

AA also is running DCA-PHX 3x daily.
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:18 pm

jetbluefan1 wrote:
Thanks enilria!

Crazy to see UA exit MIASFO. Does that leave only AA and B6 connecting SF to South Florida nonstop?


No, UA still flies SFO-FLL. They fly to both FLL and MIA from SFO, obviously FLL is a better performer. If DL needs someplace to lose money they could launch SFO-MIA.


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Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:40 pm

DY is cutting back more at JFK. The MAD route getting axed isn't surprising. There is plenty of capacity with IB, AA, and DL. All of the DY Scandinavian routes out of JFK I think have gone seasonal (summer only) for 2020. With CDG cut from EWR early this year and with the Stewart route cuts, I guess DY can't claim it carries more people out of NY for much longer.
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:46 pm

N292UX wrote:
AA also is running DCA-PHX 3x daily.


Thanks for the correction. Don't know how I missed that.
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:55 pm

jetbluefan1 wrote:
Thanks enilria!

Lots of B6 additions at BOS compared to last summer. +1 to ACK/LAX/SAN/SFO/SJC/SEA/DEN/PHX. Looks like LAX/SEA coincide with some AS reductions. LAX is the only Mint addition while SAN/SFO/SEA get more all-Core capacity.

Nice to see B6 throw a third Mint frequency on JFKSAN. Perhaps they are speculating that AA will permanently exit, like they did JFKSEA.

Crazy to see UA exit MIASFO. Does that leave only AA and B6 connecting SF to South Florida nonstop?


Has B6 ever done more than 1x daily on BOS-SJC? That was one addition that stuck out to me.

Great to see BOS-SMF go to daily for the summer too!
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:56 pm

jetbluefan1 wrote:
Crazy to see UA exit MIASFO. Does that leave only AA and B6 connecting SF to South Florida nonstop?


UA has always struggled on MIA-SFO route, however UA still flies SFO-FLL. For some reason that route works while SFO-MIA struggles.

For SFO-MIA the only airline on the route will now be AA and even AA’s presence on this route is not what it once was, they’ve pulled back a bit as well.
Enilria suggests that perhaps DL will jump on this route, there is nothing stoping DL from getting in on the fun now but I don’t think UA’s departure from this route will entice DL to launch SFO-MIA. DL has plenty of money to burn but I don’t see them burning it on this route, there is so little demand on this the SFO-MIA route.
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:01 pm

jetbluefan1 wrote:
Crazy to see UA exit MIASFO. Does that leave only AA and B6 connecting SF to South Florida nonstop?


UA has tried to make MIA-SFO work for decades. They have attempted the route multiple times over the last 30 years but it never sticks. Back when UA had its mini-hub in MIA with all the flights to/from South America, the MIA-SFO route frequently saw 747/777/767 equipment used....as did the UA service between MIA-LAX.
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:02 pm

jayunited wrote:
jetbluefan1 wrote:
Crazy to see UA exit MIASFO. Does that leave only AA and B6 connecting SF to South Florida nonstop?


UA has always struggled on MIA-SFO route, however UA still flies SFO-FLL. For some reason that route works while SFO-MIA struggles.

For SFO-MIA the only airline on the route will now be AA and even AA’s presence on this route is not what it once was, they’ve pulled back a bit as well.
Enilria suggests that perhaps DL will jump on this route, there is nothing stoping DL from getting in on the fun now but I don’t think UA’s departure from this route will entice DL to launch SFO-MIA. DL has plenty of money to burn but I don’t see them burning it on this route, there is so little demand on this the SFO-MIA route.

UA flew SFO-MIA winter only this year as well. This change just aligns the same season year over year. Nothing to see here.
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:07 pm

jayunited wrote:
jetbluefan1 wrote:
Crazy to see UA exit MIASFO. Does that leave only AA and B6 connecting SF to South Florida nonstop?


UA has always struggled on MIA-SFO route, however UA still flies SFO-FLL. For some reason that route works while SFO-MIA struggles.

For SFO-MIA the only airline on the route will now be AA and even AA’s presence on this route is not what it once was, they’ve pulled back a bit as well.
Enilria suggests that perhaps DL will jump on this route, there is nothing stoping DL from getting in on the fun now but I don’t think UA’s departure from this route will entice DL to launch SFO-MIA. DL has plenty of money to burn but I don’t see them burning it on this route, there is so little demand on this the SFO-MIA route.


DL hasn't even been able to make LAX-MIA/FLL work. I don't see hope from SFO.
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:13 pm

ericm2031 wrote:
enilria wrote:
That was fast. They are gone already?
**G4 AZA-FNL DEC 0.3>0[0] JAN 0.3>0[0] FEB 0.3>0[0] MAR 0.3>0[0] APR 0.3>0[0]
**G4 FNL-LAS DEC 0.6>0[0] JAN 0.4>0[0] FEB 0.3>0[0] MAR 0.6>0[0] APR 0.6>0[0] MAY 0.6>0.4[0]


Has to do with the "virtual" tower not being ready yet


Why would a control tower have any affect in an airline serving an airport?
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:27 pm

STT757 wrote:
jetbluefan1 wrote:
Thanks enilria!

Crazy to see UA exit MIASFO. Does that leave only AA and B6 connecting SF to South Florida nonstop?


No, UA still flies SFO-FLL. They fly to both FLL and MIA from SFO, obviously FLL is a better performer. If DL needs someplace to lose money they could launch SFO-MIA.


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UA is not exiting MIASFO. It’s a seasonal route and will end one month earlier than planned (although at the same time as last year).

These threads are great but context, people.
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:29 pm

Seat1F wrote:
jetbluefan1 wrote:
Crazy to see UA exit MIASFO. Does that leave only AA and B6 connecting SF to South Florida nonstop?


UA has tried to make MIA-SFO work for decades. They have attempted the route multiple times over the last 30 years but it never sticks. Back when UA had its mini-hub in MIA with all the flights to/from South America, the MIA-SFO route frequently saw 747/777/767 equipment used....as did the UA service between MIA-LAX.


What on earth are you talking about?

UA ended the route around 2003/2004 and restarted around 2017 as a seasonal service that continues today.
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:31 pm

jayunited wrote:
jetbluefan1 wrote:
Crazy to see UA exit MIASFO. Does that leave only AA and B6 connecting SF to South Florida nonstop?


UA has always struggled on MIA-SFO route, however UA still flies SFO-FLL. For some reason that route works while SFO-MIA struggles.

For SFO-MIA the only airline on the route will now be AA and even AA’s presence on this route is not what it once was, they’ve pulled back a bit as well.
Enilria suggests that perhaps DL will jump on this route, there is nothing stoping DL from getting in on the fun now but I don’t think UA’s departure from this route will entice DL to launch SFO-MIA. DL has plenty of money to burn but I don’t see them burning it on this route, there is so little demand on this the SFO-MIA route.


Yeah, if UA with a plethora of connections on the SFO side can’t make it work, not sure how DL would make it work with little to nothing on the SFO side in the way of connects and a handful of LATAM connections in MIA.


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Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:33 pm

UA ORD-YOW APR 3>1.9[3]

Nice to see UA resuming ORD-YOW service. I hope they resume more trans boarder flights from ORD.
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:34 pm

DiamondFlyer wrote:
ericm2031 wrote:
enilria wrote:
That was fast. They are gone already?
**G4 AZA-FNL DEC 0.3>0[0] JAN 0.3>0[0] FEB 0.3>0[0] MAR 0.3>0[0] APR 0.3>0[0]
**G4 FNL-LAS DEC 0.6>0[0] JAN 0.4>0[0] FEB 0.3>0[0] MAR 0.6>0[0] APR 0.6>0[0] MAY 0.6>0.4[0]


Has to do with the "virtual" tower not being ready yet


Why would a control tower have any affect in an airline serving an airport?


Because when G4 served FNL last time around, it was an operational nightmare due to the general aviation activity around the airport. Lots of TCAS conflicts and a high number of go arounds due to slower traffic on final. G4 vowed they would only return when it became a towered airport and the FAA clearly dropped the ball on opening the virtual tower. My guess is when it’s operating and fully functional, G4 will again announce flights into FNL.
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:37 pm

cbphoto wrote:
DiamondFlyer wrote:
ericm2031 wrote:

Has to do with the "virtual" tower not being ready yet


Why would a control tower have any affect in an airline serving an airport?


Because when G4 served FNL last time around, it was an operational nightmare due to the general aviation activity around the airport. Lots of TCAS conflicts and a high number of go arounds due to slower traffic on final. G4 vowed they would only return when it became a towered airport and the FAA clearly dropped the ball on opening the virtual tower. My guess is when it’s operating and fully functional, G4 will again announce flights into FNL.



Here's a press release citing Allegiant postponing flights to FNL due to delays with the remote tower project.

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Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:40 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
jayunited wrote:
jetbluefan1 wrote:
Crazy to see UA exit MIASFO. Does that leave only AA and B6 connecting SF to South Florida nonstop?


UA has always struggled on MIA-SFO route, however UA still flies SFO-FLL. For some reason that route works while SFO-MIA struggles.

For SFO-MIA the only airline on the route will now be AA and even AA’s presence on this route is not what it once was, they’ve pulled back a bit as well.
Enilria suggests that perhaps DL will jump on this route, there is nothing stoping DL from getting in on the fun now but I don’t think UA’s departure from this route will entice DL to launch SFO-MIA. DL has plenty of money to burn but I don’t see them burning it on this route, there is so little demand on this the SFO-MIA route.


DL hasn't even been able to make LAX-MIA/FLL work. I don't see hope from SFO.

But LATAM changes things and on the DL quarterly call the CEO said to one of his VPs "we haven't announced the new MIA flying yet have we?"
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:44 pm

timberwolf24 wrote:
UA ORD-YOW APR 3>1.9[3]

Nice to see UA resuming ORD-YOW service. I hope they resume more trans boarder flights from ORD.

It's not being resumed, it's being reduced.
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:45 pm

enilria wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
jayunited wrote:

UA has always struggled on MIA-SFO route, however UA still flies SFO-FLL. For some reason that route works while SFO-MIA struggles.

For SFO-MIA the only airline on the route will now be AA and even AA’s presence on this route is not what it once was, they’ve pulled back a bit as well.
Enilria suggests that perhaps DL will jump on this route, there is nothing stoping DL from getting in on the fun now but I don’t think UA’s departure from this route will entice DL to launch SFO-MIA. DL has plenty of money to burn but I don’t see them burning it on this route, there is so little demand on this the SFO-MIA route.


DL hasn't even been able to make LAX-MIA/FLL work. I don't see hope from SFO.

But LATAM changes things and on the DL quarterly call the CEO said to one of his VPs "we haven't announced the new MIA flying yet have we?"


It would be a logical ad, but I doubt a priority, and UA isn’t exiting MIASFO, which is a route it doesn’t operate year-round.
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:45 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
Seat1F wrote:
jetbluefan1 wrote:
What on earth are you talking about?

UA ended the route around 2003/2004 and restarted around 2017 as a seasonal service that continues today.


I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm saying UA has attempted the route multiple times in the last 30-35 years and it never works. Not sure what you fail to understand about that.
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:47 pm

Seat1F wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
Seat1F wrote:


I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm saying UA has attempted the route multiple times in the last 30-35 years and it never works. Not sure what you fail to understand about that.


Because you’re just plain wrong. It flew the route back in the 90s-early 2000s and it resumed the route two years ago as seasonal, and continues to fly the route as seasonal. So you are flat out wrong.
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:53 pm

Aliqiout wrote:
timberwolf24 wrote:
UA ORD-YOW APR 3>1.9[3]

Nice to see UA resuming ORD-YOW service. I hope they resume more trans boarder flights from ORD.

It's not being resumed, it's being reduced.


You can’t reduce something that ended and is not currently being flown...

Or could this be a miss file?
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:54 pm

I though it said DL dropped JFK-MAD, and I was shocked.
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:08 pm

For some reason SY has only loaded flights to Aug 20th?? or some crazy thing like that.. Strange
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:11 pm

That's a short flight!
*UA LAX-PSP Jun 1.0>0.1 [1.0]...

It is 109 miles but UA* (and several others) have run this route since day 1. Hate to see another legend bite the dust.
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:12 pm

Not surprising to see HX throw in the towel on LAX-HKG.


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Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:12 pm

timberwolf24 wrote:
Aliqiout wrote:
timberwolf24 wrote:
UA ORD-YOW APR 3>1.9[3]

Nice to see UA resuming ORD-YOW service. I hope they resume more trans boarder flights from ORD.

It's not being resumed, it's being reduced.


You can’t reduce something that ended and is not currently being flown...

Or could this be a miss file?


They suspended the route on June 6, 2019 and already had intentions to resume it Spring 2020

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-ne ... until-2020
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:12 pm

timberwolf24 wrote:
Aliqiout wrote:
timberwolf24 wrote:
UA ORD-YOW APR 3>1.9[3]

Nice to see UA resuming ORD-YOW service. I hope they resume more trans boarder flights from ORD.

It's not being resumed, it's being reduced.


You can’t reduce something that ended and is not currently being flown...

Or could this be a miss file?

According to the report it was flown 3 daily last April, and it was being sold as three daily for next April until this week. It has now been cut to less than two daily. If it is not being flown now, I assume it is seasonal.
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:15 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
Seat1F wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:


I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm saying UA has attempted the route multiple times in the last 30-35 years and it never works. Not sure what you fail to understand about that.


Because you’re just plain wrong. It flew the route back in the 90s-early 2000s and it resumed the route two years ago as seasonal, and continues to fly the route as seasonal. So you are flat out wrong.

Sorry but you are incorrect. UA initiated MIA SFO at least once prior to the existence of their MIA hub. My recollection is they flew it for a year or two in the 80's and then dropped the service. Service then recommenced when UA established the MIA hub. That was cancelled eventually after the MIA hub fell apart. Now they have a seasonal service once a day. I certainly don't consider that a very strong track record for a route between two of the larger metro areas in the country especially with one end of the route being one of UA's major hubs. pmUA had always struggled in MIA generally with times where there was limited or no service to other hubs such as IAD. It seems to me that even ORD had limited or no service at some point. Admittedly UA's MIA route structure did improve with the addition of the CO routes to EWR and IAH.

I flew on UA heavily out of MIA during the tenure of their MIA hub. They were trying very very hard to compete against AA. Their premium cabin service was excellent in both the F & J cabins. Caviar and Dom in the J cabin from MIA to LIM on a 757. In the end, UA couldn't compete and de-hubbed in MIA....which was a shame. I liked them a lot in those years.
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:34 pm

Chuska wrote:
That's a short flight!
*UA LAX-PSP Jun 1.0>0.1 [1.0]...

It is 109 miles but UA* (and several others) have run this route since day 1. Hate to see another legend bite the dust.

Could it be just a summer cancellation as it appears to start back up in August
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:40 pm

RJNUT wrote:
Chuska wrote:
That's a short flight!
*UA LAX-PSP Jun 1.0>0.1 [1.0]...

It is 109 miles but UA* (and several others) have run this route since day 1. Hate to see another legend bite the dust.

Could it be just a summer cancellation as it appears to start back up in August


Does this flight move an airplane in/out of maintenance at PSP?
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:44 pm

adamh8297 wrote:
jetbluefan1 wrote:
Thanks enilria!

Lots of B6 additions at BOS compared to last summer. +1 to ACK/LAX/SAN/SFO/SJC/SEA/DEN/PHX. Looks like LAX/SEA coincide with some AS reductions. LAX is the only Mint addition while SAN/SFO/SEA get more all-Core capacity.

Nice to see B6 throw a third Mint frequency on JFKSAN. Perhaps they are speculating that AA will permanently exit, like they did JFKSEA.

Crazy to see UA exit MIASFO. Does that leave only AA and B6 connecting SF to South Florida nonstop?


Has B6 ever done more than 1x daily on BOS-SJC? That was one addition that stuck out to me.

Great to see BOS-SMF go to daily for the summer too!


Not that I can remember. On a related note, I’m surprised that AS didn’t try the route when they were adding trans cons all over the place. And when DL announced their “SJC focus city” thing, this would be the first route I would have guessed they’d add. So far, the only thing I can recall DL adding was maybe LAS? Does DL have the Max problem?
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:58 pm

AS shifts OAK capacity to PDX


WN must be eating AS’s lunch at OAK to Hawaii
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:02 pm

Cointrin330 wrote:
DY is cutting back more at JFK. The MAD route getting axed isn't surprising. There is plenty of capacity with IB, AA, and DL. All of the DY Scandinavian routes out of JFK I think have gone seasonal (summer only) for 2020. With CDG cut from EWR early this year and with the Stewart route cuts, I guess DY can't claim it carries more people out of NY for much longer.


I think you're a bit lost in your statement. Norwegian did not operate CDG-EWR, they operated ORY-EWR.

Their claim was not "carrying more people out of NY" I believe it was something along the line of 'the largest international airline at JFK" a title which I doubted at first and researched and came to find out it was in terms of actual passengers carried. They had taken the title from BA, which operates mostly High J config 747s, and those aircraft are not always at capacity, where Norwegian seems to run around 85%+ load factor from JFK.

I'm guessing Norwegian will be going back and forth with BA for the title this summer.

Today for an example has the following departures
AMS x1 @ 344 pax
LGW x 3 @ 338 pax = 1014
FCO x 1 @344
CDG x1 @ 344
OSL x 1 @ 291
MAD x 1 @ 344
BCN x 1 @ 344

Total current Winter possible pax = 3025 seats on a full schedule day
* not every day operates full schedule

announced Summer will add
x5 week ATH (1720 seats)
additional x4(11 weekly/2 partial daily?) CDG (1376 seats)*
additional x5 (25 weekly/4 partial daily?) LGW (1720 seats)*
Thats an additional 4000+ seats a week or rough avg 575 seats a day extra
*not sure of the exact schedules, and don't have time to research on my phone

In comparison,
BA has 12 flights a day on High J 747s
12 flights @ 275 seats each =3300
Add in the Gatwick flight and you're around 3600

Moving on.

Norwegian seemingly has finally started to focus not just on load factor but apparently yield. The Madrid flights in summer I know were always full, but we know the full aircraft does not mean profit. I'm guessing they will try to push MAD through connections of OSL or others.

While the summer schedules are not finalized, there is seems to be no listing of CPH or ARN as of now in the GDS non-stop from JFK.
We'll see if the aircraft schedule allows for it, and of course, if they can get the slots.
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:04 pm

enilria wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
jayunited wrote:

UA has always struggled on MIA-SFO route, however UA still flies SFO-FLL. For some reason that route works while SFO-MIA struggles.

For SFO-MIA the only airline on the route will now be AA and even AA’s presence on this route is not what it once was, they’ve pulled back a bit as well.
Enilria suggests that perhaps DL will jump on this route, there is nothing stoping DL from getting in on the fun now but I don’t think UA’s departure from this route will entice DL to launch SFO-MIA. DL has plenty of money to burn but I don’t see them burning it on this route, there is so little demand on this the SFO-MIA route.


DL hasn't even been able to make LAX-MIA/FLL work. I don't see hope from SFO.

But LATAM changes things and on the DL quarterly call the CEO said to one of his VPs "we haven't announced the new MIA flying yet have we?"


What’s the total demand from SFO to cities that LA serves from MIA but DL does not serve on its own metal? It’s got to be pretty small. 20 PDEW?
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:22 pm

bluefltspecial wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:
DY is cutting back more at JFK. The MAD route getting axed isn't surprising. There is plenty of capacity with IB, AA, and DL. All of the DY Scandinavian routes out of JFK I think have gone seasonal (summer only) for 2020. With CDG cut from EWR early this year and with the Stewart route cuts, I guess DY can't claim it carries more people out of NY for much longer.


I think you're a bit lost in your statement. Norwegian did not operate CDG-EWR, they operated ORY-EWR.

Their claim was not "carrying more people out of NY" I believe it was something along the line of 'the largest international airline at JFK" a title which I doubted at first and researched and came to find out it was in terms of actual passengers carried. They had taken the title from BA, which operates mostly High J config 747s, and those aircraft are not always at capacity, where Norwegian seems to run around 85%+ load factor from JFK.

I'm guessing Norwegian will be going back and forth with BA for the title this summer.

Today for an example has the following departures
AMS x1 @ 344 pax
LGW x 3 @ 338 pax = 1014
FCO x 1 @344
CDG x1 @ 344
OSL x 1 @ 291
MAD x 1 @ 344
BCN x 1 @ 344

Total current Winter possible pax = 3025 seats on a full schedule day
* not every day operates full schedule

announced Summer will add
x5 week ATH (1720 seats)
additional x4(11 weekly/2 partial daily?) CDG (1376 seats)*
additional x5 (25 weekly/4 partial daily?) LGW (1720 seats)*
Thats an additional 4000+ seats a week or rough avg 575 seats a day extra
*not sure of the exact schedules, and don't have time to research on my phone

In comparison,
BA has 12 flights a day on High J 747s
12 flights @ 275 seats each =3300
Add in the Gatwick flight and you're around 3600

Moving on.

Norwegian seemingly has finally started to focus not just on load factor but apparently yield. The Madrid flights in summer I know were always full, but we know the full aircraft does not mean profit. I'm guessing they will try to push MAD through connections of OSL or others.

While the summer schedules are not finalized, there is seems to be no listing of CPH or ARN as of now in the GDS non-stop from JFK.
We'll see if the aircraft schedule allows for it, and of course, if they can get the slots.


You forgot that BA still flies to EWR, unlike DY. Therefore BA has an additional 772 and 788/9.
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:44 pm

cbphoto wrote:
DiamondFlyer wrote:
ericm2031 wrote:

Has to do with the "virtual" tower not being ready yet


Why would a control tower have any affect in an airline serving an airport?


Because when G4 served FNL last time around, it was an operational nightmare due to the general aviation activity around the airport. Lots of TCAS conflicts and a high number of go arounds due to slower traffic on final. G4 vowed they would only return when it became a towered airport and the FAA clearly dropped the ball on opening the virtual tower. My guess is when it’s operating and fully functional, G4 will again announce flights into FNL.


I could see that. There are still many pilots out there that don't communicate at nontowered airports. It happened to me many times in the extremely busy airspace in SoCal, so I could imagine it might even be worse out in semi-rural Colorado.
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:12 pm

Thanks again enilria.

Great work.

A couple of things.
UA's yield number out of MIA-SFO is actually better than FLL-SFO. I'm not sure why they reduce MIA ahead of FLL. And that 3rd B6 flight on FLL-SFO will just pressure that yield even more. I don't see DL adding MIA-SFO before MIA-LAX. MIA-LAX would seem like an obvious add if they want to build up MIA. Either way, AA and B6 have these 2 routes dominated.

That is a whole lot of BOS capacity added by B6. Especially on the transcon markets. Looks like they are picking a gate at EWR with these additional flights. BOS-SJC going to 2x daily + going to daily on BUR/OAK/SMF all really surprised me. A lot of transcon capacity added including additional flights to LAX, SFO and SAN. Now they should have the most capacity in BOS-Bay Area and BOS-La Basin market. Let's hope those A321NEO deliveries catch up.

Looks like B6 is expecting AA to be out on JFK-SAN. That's 3x daily mint service on that route.

AS shifting Hawaii capacity from OAK to PDX/SEA. Actually that's more capacity YoY. I'd be shocked if SMF-HI doesn't see more reductions in the future.
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:15 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
N292UX wrote:
AA also is running DCA-PHX 3x daily.


Thanks for the correction. Don't know how I missed that.


Please correct me if I'm wrong is PHX outside the perimeter for DCA?
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:16 pm

AirFiero wrote:
AS shifts OAK capacity to PDX


WN must be eating AS’s lunch at OAK to Hawaii


AS has been reducing OAK-HI for years. WN probably has some effect, though. I wonder how HA is doing?
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:22 pm

twaconnie wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
N292UX wrote:
AA also is running DCA-PHX 3x daily.


Thanks for the correction. Don't know how I missed that.


Please correct me if I'm wrong is PHX outside the perimeter for DCA?


Yes, PHX is outside perimeter. AA’s PHX/LAS/LAX flights are operated with beyond perimeter slots.


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Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:24 pm

AirFiero wrote:
adamh8297 wrote:
jetbluefan1 wrote:
Thanks enilria!

Lots of B6 additions at BOS compared to last summer. +1 to ACK/LAX/SAN/SFO/SJC/SEA/DEN/PHX. Looks like LAX/SEA coincide with some AS reductions. LAX is the only Mint addition while SAN/SFO/SEA get more all-Core capacity.


Has B6 ever done more than 1x daily on BOS-SJC? That was one addition that stuck out to me.


Not that I can remember.


Ditto - I have done a good number of B6 BOS-SJC/SFO-BOS trips because the only B6 SJC-BOS flight has been a red-eye, so I'm definitely looking forward to the second B6 BOS-SJC flight. Checking timings for mid-July:

B6 1071 BOS 955a 132p SJC
B6 1072 SJC 225p 1102p BOS

That looks reasonable, particularly for Boston/Cambridge and nearby areas. I live out in the suburbs, so an 11p arrival is not ideal (an hour earlier would be better), but I'll trade that for the extra half day of work that it makes possible in California. BOS-SJC for me will probably continue to be the current afternoon flight (422p from BOS).

These new flights are an out-and-back pair, unlike the evening flights at SJC where the planes from BOS and JFK each return as a red-eye to the other airport.
 
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:35 pm

MO11 wrote:
RJNUT wrote:
Chuska wrote:
That's a short flight!
*UA LAX-PSP Jun 1.0>0.1 [1.0]...

It is 109 miles but UA* (and several others) have run this route since day 1. Hate to see another legend bite the dust.

Could it be just a summer cancellation as it appears to start back up in August


Does this flight move an airplane in/out of maintenance at PSP?


Can't say definitively (someone else may chime in), but most likely the case since Skywest performs maintenance at PSP.
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:36 pm

NWADC10BOS wrote:
AirFiero wrote:
adamh8297 wrote:


Has B6 ever done more than 1x daily on BOS-SJC? That was one addition that stuck out to me.


Not that I can remember.


Ditto - I have done a good number of B6 BOS-SJC/SFO-BOS trips because the only B6 SJC-BOS flight has been a red-eye, so I'm definitely looking forward to the second B6 BOS-SJC flight. Checking timings for mid-July:

B6 1071 BOS 955a 132p SJC
B6 1072 SJC 225p 1102p BOS

That looks reasonable, particularly for Boston/Cambridge and nearby areas. I live out in the suburbs, so an 11p arrival is not ideal (an hour earlier would be better), but I'll trade that for the extra half day of work that it makes possible in California. BOS-SJC for me will probably continue to be the current afternoon flight (422p from BOS).

These new flights are an out-and-back pair, unlike the evening flights at SJC where the planes from BOS and JFK each return as a red-eye to the other airport.

This is the first double daily to BOS. B6 has done double daily to JFK in the past (around 10 years ago now). It had a similar schedule with a turn in SJC which was around 2 hours earlier.
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Re: OAG Changes 11/10/2019: AA Exits BWI-PHX;B6 Adds DCA-MVY;DY Drops JFK-MAD;G4 Exits FNL?;SY

Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:50 pm

I wonder if FNL will receive any interest from other carriers once the virtual control tower issues are sorted out. With about 550000 people in its direct catchment (Larimer and Weld counties) and possible skimming from other northern CO and southern WY counties, I think a few additions outside of a few weekly frequencies to LAS and IWA wouldn’t be unorthodox.

I could definitely see any mix of the following airlines and cities: DL to (SLC, ATL), AA (DFW, LAX, PHX, ORD), or UA (ORD, IAH, SFO, LAX). As the home state carrier, F9 doing some point to point like they do out of COS would also be interesting as well.

I do understand that E-470 has forever made it much easier to get from northern CO to DIA than in years past, but even on its best day, it’s still over an hour from Fort Collins to DIA. I’m not talking about any thing major, just some thing like Everett Paine is to SEA, TTN is to PHL, LBE is to PIT, etc..

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