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A A380 wouldn't work for outsized cargo would it?

Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:01 am

Since nobody has suggested it I'm assuming it wouldn't be viable to remove the floor between the upper & lower decks to use a A380 for oversized freight by cutting a large door in the side? I imagine too much reinforcement would be needed to make it a economically sound idea? Just throwing the idea out there..
 
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Re: A A380 wouldn't work for outsized cargo would it?

Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:08 am

It's been said many times that the upper deck floor is part of the structure of the aircraft and that removing it is close to mission impossible.
 
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Re: A A380 wouldn't work for outsized cargo would it?

Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:36 am

I imagine that a Beluga style conversion would be easier than removing the floors, in which case an actual BelugaXL probably makes more sense.
 
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Re: A A380 wouldn't work for outsized cargo would it?

Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:04 am

Most of the oversized cargo can be loaded in b747f

For bigger one an124/225 can help you
 
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Re: A A380 wouldn't work for outsized cargo would it?

Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:44 pm

Thanks everybody, I figured as much
 
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Re: A A380 wouldn't work for outsized cargo would it?

Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:52 pm

Here is another Curiosity, as my understanding reading here. Is that even when UPS, and other Operators of 747F, they don’t max or even come close to maxing the weight. My question is, instead of removing the floor, maybe an make it an 3 decks of cargo, for amazon, for heaviest item, they can keep it loaded in the cargo deck. And maybe load large but lighter items on the 2 decks that was for passengers. As much as I dislike the A380, it’s kinda sad to see them die without an 2nd chance in life after only maybe 9-12 years of service.
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Re: A A380 wouldn't work for outsized cargo would it?

Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:14 pm

Please, not another A380 thread!
But to answer your question, no. Apart from FedEx and UPS who did place some orders, the A380 has been shown to be incapable of being a dedicated freighter, period. And in fact, the industry proved that FedEx and UPS wouldn't even come close to the maximum payload even when fully loaded. On the other hand, it would be too fat to fly if used for normal air cargo because it would hit maximum payload long before it was even close to being filled up all the way. Note that the A380's multiple decks means it clearly emphasizes volume, which makes it good for passengers, but not freight.
Another problem is the three decks. The second deck cannot be removed since it contains structural components responsible for the fuselage's structural integrity. You would also need specialised loaders specifically for the A380. The A380 has already caused enough hassle for many major airports as they have had to make significant changes to accommodate just one type of plane, whereas the 744 and 748I do not need such modifications, if I'm not mistaken. And adding in more hassles, such as dedicated A380 loaders is not going to help.
Even if the A380 could do it, the 744 and 748 could do a far, far better job than the A380. For outsize cargo, you get the An-124 and An-225.
These reasons are also just some of the many reasons why I consider the A380 to be the biggest failure in commercial aviation.
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Re: A A380 wouldn't work for outsized cargo would it?

Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:34 pm

747DREAM wrote:
Here is another Curiosity, as my understanding reading here. Is that even when UPS, and other Operators of 747F, they don’t max or even come close to maxing the weight. My question is, instead of removing the floor, maybe an make it an 3 decks of cargo, for amazon, for heaviest item, they can keep it loaded in the cargo deck. And maybe load large but lighter items on the 2 decks that was for passengers. As much as I dislike the A380, it’s kinda sad to see them die without an 2nd chance in life after only maybe 9-12 years of service.


The A380F was actually ordered by both UPS and FedEx but both canceled their orders and went with Boeing. Both canceled their orders because they lost confidence in Airbus after many delays. Both don't need the A380 anymore, they have bought 747's and 777's. That both ''bulk out'' before they ''gross out'' is apparently not important to them. Boeing dominates the cargo market and will most likely do so for the coming years, there are nearly no new orders and FedEx is replacing their A300/310-fleet with 767's.

The A380 is dead, unfortunately. I hope to see some success with the A330neoF or other Airbus variants, would be a shame to see Airbus disappear from the freighter-market.

Sources:
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/17418499/ns/b ... dwa5y9x9Zo
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tran ... 2320061107
 
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Re: A A380 wouldn't work for outsized cargo would it?

Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:05 pm

Canuck600 wrote:
Since nobody has suggested it I'm assuming it wouldn't be viable to remove the floor between the upper & lower decks to use a A380 for oversized freight by cutting a large door in the side? I imagine too much reinforcement would be needed to make it a economically sound idea? Just throwing the idea out there..


The two decks inside the A380 are critical parts of the overall structural integrity, without one or both of them, it would never hold together.

While Airbus was working on making an A380F for a little while, it would have been structurally different inside from the passenger versions, so much so the idea of acquiring retired A380s (that are now starting to show up) and converting them is basically impossible, or at least not worth the expense, not with much more affordable options all over the place.

While we might need to look at doing something about the lack of new built AN-124s, making A380s suitable doesn't seem to be much of an option.


Another feature the A380 wouldn't be able to accommodate, especially for outsize cargo, is a lack of front or back loading options. You'd have to put such a large side door on it to make it useful for odd sized objects, it would be a whole other structural nightmare to deal with.


Sad as it is, retired A380s have pretty much no use.

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