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Qantas operates its last commercial 747 service to the US

Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:56 am

In a few hours time the last regular passenger commercial service of a Qantas 747 will depart SFO. This marks 48 years of operating the 747 in various variants between Australia and the US. This will be replaced by a 787-9 which will depart SYD in a few hours. Last 747 service is operated by 747-400ER VH-OEE

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Wed Dec 04, 2019 3:07 am

It's a pity they didn't make a nice round 50, but I'm not entirely sad to see them going. Makes a change from the all 747 airline QF was before it ate Australian.
 
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Wed Dec 04, 2019 3:48 am

Wow, that is such a heritage. Sad to see them go, Qantas and 747 are synonymous/iconic.
 
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Wed Dec 04, 2019 4:13 am

Thanks for posting this thread and the pics!

So sad to see this classy and storied aircraft going away. The 747 has a big, awesome chapter in aviation history. The nose, followed by the upper deck are my favorite seating sections across all aircraft types. Eventually we will never have that experience again. Many great memories. The world evolves and we move on but the 747 will be missed.
 
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Wed Dec 04, 2019 4:21 am

Very sad.
It's hard to imagine LAX or SFO without a Qantas 747 somewhere in sight!
The only QF 747 I ever flew was last year, SYD-LAX. It was a fantastic flight! And unlike some other 744 operators, the onboard product was very up-to-date.
 
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Wed Dec 04, 2019 4:27 am

AA737-823 wrote:
Very sad.
It's hard to imagine LAX or SFO without a Qantas 747 somewhere in sight!
The only QF 747 I ever flew was last year, SYD-LAX. It was a fantastic flight! And unlike some other 744 operators, the onboard product was very up-to-date.


They are the newest pax 744s operating, and were updated to align seating product with the A380. Given QF's history, these are being retired quite early.
 
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Wed Dec 04, 2019 4:37 am

Sad to see the mighty queen go, even sadder to see her being replaced by the so-called Dreamliner at Qantas and many other carriers around the world! :mad: I was lucky enough to enjoy a stunning sunrise over the Pacific aboard a QF 744, something you can't do on the 787, thanks to it's stupid dimming windows which allow the crew to override pax and dim all the windows. I still can't believe that the company that gave us the iconic Jumbo Jet is the same company that ruined flying for me and many other window seat fans! Hopefully QF & VA will order some A350s in the future.
 
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Wed Dec 04, 2019 4:54 am

QF, BA, and LH are my 747 bucket lists. This at least gives me a good excuse to visit JNB or SCL!
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Re: Qantas operates last commercial 747 service to the US

Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:06 am

Qantas 74 heavy is off, sad day for SFO...
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Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:15 am

The title is misleading, it is the final scheduled QF 747 to the U.S.A. but there are still other operators of 747's to the U.S.A. BA, KL, LH, KE, CA. Also whilst it is the final 747 to the U.S. QF are still operating them to JNB, HND, SCL (for now) and also to HKG for a few weeks at the moment.
 
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Re: Qantas operates its last commercial 747 service to the US

Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:37 am

Sad day indeed. On a somewhat related note, could someone give me (or show me how to get) the tail number for QF18 LAX-SYD on September 14, 2015?
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Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:04 am

Just curious,,, but FINAL seems like such a permanent description. Totally understand its the last scheduled 747 service by Qantas to / from the USA... But lets assume there is a new fleet storage due to some type of grounding, or some mechanical issue or any other of a million unforeseen possibilities that is just enough to cause a scheduling problem that cant be fixed using newer aircraft,,, couldn't they, and wouldn't they once again use a 747 if there happened to be some "extra" sitting around thereafter nullifying this current flight as the "Last" ever 747 U.S. Service, at-least until whatever the issue was got resolved ?
 
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Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:00 am

Boeing757rb211 wrote:
Just curious,,, but FINAL seems like such a permanent description. Totally understand its the last scheduled 747 service by Qantas to / from the USA... But lets assume there is a new fleet storage due to some type of grounding, or some mechanical issue or any other of a million unforeseen possibilities that is just enough to cause a scheduling problem that cant be fixed using newer aircraft,,, couldn't they, and wouldn't they once again use a 747 if there happened to be some "extra" sitting around thereafter nullifying this current flight as the "Last" ever 747 U.S. Service, at-least until whatever the issue was got resolved ?


Not to mention I could see QF use them to HNL in high season as they reach the end of their days.
 
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Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:19 am

Kent350787 wrote:
It's a pity they didn't make a nice round 50, but I'm not entirely sad to see them going. Makes a change from the all 747 airline QF was before it ate Australian.


Not true. QF had a fleet of 767-238ERs and 767-338ERs before it merged with TN in 1992. They were used on mid-haul routes to Asia and NZ. TN added the 737s and A300s to the mix.
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Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:37 am

jupiter2 wrote:
The title is misleading, it is the final scheduled QF 747 to the U.S.A. but there are still other operators of 747's to the U.S.A. BA, KL, LH, KE, CA. Also whilst it is the final 747 to the U.S. QF are still operating them to JNB, HND, SCL (for now) and also to HKG for a few weeks at the moment.


I notice the thread title has been changed, thank you.
 
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Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:31 am

vhtje wrote:
Kent350787 wrote:
It's a pity they didn't make a nice round 50, but I'm not entirely sad to see them going. Makes a change from the all 747 airline QF was before it ate Australian.


Not true. QF had a fleet of 767-238ERs and 767-338ERs before it merged with TN in 1992. They were used on mid-haul routes to Asia and NZ. TN added the 737s and A300s to the mix.


Yes I thought that sounded a bit off, especially as I had flown on a Qantas 767-300 myself from BNE to CHC in 1986.

But might there have been a time when Qantas was in fact an all 747 airline, before the addition of the 767's and after the retiring of the 707's, or did both those fleet types overlap at some point ?

Also, does anyone know of any online resource that specifies the make-up of the Qantas fleet at certain points in the past, for example in 1985 or 1980 etc ?
 
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Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:40 am

westgate wrote:
vhtje wrote:
Kent350787 wrote:
It's a pity they didn't make a nice round 50, but I'm not entirely sad to see them going. Makes a change from the all 747 airline QF was before it ate Australian.


Not true. QF had a fleet of 767-238ERs and 767-338ERs before it merged with TN in 1992. They were used on mid-haul routes to Asia and NZ. TN added the 737s and A300s to the mix.


Yes I thought that sounded a bit off, especially as I had flown on a Qantas 767-300 myself from BNE to CHC in 1986.

But might there have been a time when Qantas was in fact an all 747 airline, before the addition of the 767's and after the retiring of the 707's, or did both those fleet types overlap at some point ?

Also, does anyone know of any online resource that specifies the make-up of the Qantas fleet at certain points in the past, for example in 1985 or 1980 etc ?


Ok I'm answering my own question, as per the Wikipedia page entitled 'Qantas Fleet History', it states :

When the Boeing 707s were retired in 1979, Qantas became the world's only all Boeing 747 operator.


and then . . .

From 1985, Qantas ceased being an all Boeing 747 operator when the first of seven Boeing 767-238ERs entered the fleet.

So for a period of 6 years from 1979 to 1985 Qantas was in fact an all 747 airline. So Kent350787 was in fact correct, they just had the timings a bit off.
 
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Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:06 am

vhtje wrote:
Kent350787 wrote:
It's a pity they didn't make a nice round 50, but I'm not entirely sad to see them going. Makes a change from the all 747 airline QF was before it ate Australian.


Not true. QF had a fleet of 767-238ERs and 767-338ERs before it merged with TN in 1992. They were used on mid-haul routes to Asia and NZ. TN added the 737s and A300s to the mix.


I should have remembered that - I was at the naming ceremony for the first 762 in 1985.....
 
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Re: Qantas operates its last commercial 747 service to the US

Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:33 pm

So sad. I had the joy of flying on -238B's VH-EBB & VH-EBC back in Aug./Sep. 1978 SFO/HNL/SFO in F thanks to my dad working for KE and so we could fly cabotage on foreign flag carriers. Magnificent cabin service. The Capt. Cook Lounge on the upper deck was sweet, sipping Turkish coffee while playing checkers; non-flambéed- (obviously!! LOL) Cherries Jubilee for dessert on the return flight. Sweet times.
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Wed Dec 04, 2019 3:48 pm

Great photos, many thanks to the topic author.
 
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Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:16 pm

Qantas also utilized the 767-338ER on SFO services from 1991 to 1994. Routings included SFO-HNL-Australia and SFO-LAX-HNL-Australia.
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Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:36 pm

I'm glad I got to see OEG last week on what I later found out was the 4th to last flight.
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Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:38 pm

Sad ending to such long and distinguished service, It was one hell of a ride lasting nearly 50 years. Dreamliners are wonderful planes, flew one from SFO to MEL on July 31st, they just can't compare to the Queen of the skies the 747. Qantas took the 747 to its limits and it was a mutual partnership benefitting Boeing and Qantas, QF probably flew over 70 747's of all versions. Long may the Kangaroo fly.
 
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Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:37 pm

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Dreamliners are wonderful planes, flew one from SFO to MEL on July 31st, they just can't compare to the Queen of the skies the 747.


Dreamliners are wonderful?! Tell that to my friend who missed out on seeing the glaciers of Greenland and the northern lights! He hated his Dreamliner experience so much he now goes out of his way to avoid it just like yours truly.
 
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L0VE2FLY wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
Dreamliners are wonderful planes, flew one from SFO to MEL on July 31st, they just can't compare to the Queen of the skies the 747.


Dreamliners are wonderful?! Tell that to my friend who missed out on seeing the glaciers of Greenland and the northern lights! He hated his Dreamliner experience so much he now goes out of his way to avoid it just like yours truly.

I realize this never goes anywhere but couldn't he have asked the flight attendants to undim his window? Or perhaps look out the door?
 
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Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:25 am

L0VE2FLY wrote:
Sad to see the mighty queen go, even sadder to see her being replaced by the so-called Dreamliner at Qantas and many other carriers around the world! :mad: I was lucky enough to enjoy a stunning sunrise over the Pacific aboard a QF 744, something you can't do on the 787, thanks to it's stupid dimming windows which allow the crew to override pax and dim all the windows. I still can't believe that the company that gave us the iconic Jumbo Jet is the same company that ruined flying for me and many other window seat fans! Hopefully QF & VA will order some A350s in the future.


Even though the crew can override the passenger selection for the comfort of other passengers, you can still see out the window? or is it completely blacked out? From all my 787 flights with the window at its darkest selection, it is not completely black, granted photography might be somewhat impossible.
 
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Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:36 am

While more modern planes might thrill some, there was nothing that compared to row 1 on the 744, looking forward out the nose windows on the daytime LAX-SYD flight.
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Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:20 pm

a36001 wrote:
L0VE2FLY wrote:
Sad to see the mighty queen go, even sadder to see her being replaced by the so-called Dreamliner at Qantas and many other carriers around the world! :mad: I was lucky enough to enjoy a stunning sunrise over the Pacific aboard a QF 744, something you can't do on the 787, thanks to it's stupid dimming windows which allow the crew to override pax and dim all the windows. I still can't believe that the company that gave us the iconic Jumbo Jet is the same company that ruined flying for me and many other window seat fans! Hopefully QF & VA will order some A350s in the future.


Even though the crew can override the passenger selection for the comfort of other passengers, you can still see out the window? or is it completely blacked out? From all my 787 flights with the window at its darkest selection, it is not completely black, granted photography might be somewhat impossible.


Well, there are not many Northern Lights to be seen during the day. So if this is to be at night, yes, the dimming feature renders that more or less impossible. It also distorts color heavily.

It is not as wildly unpopular as it is for no reason.

ikramerica wrote:
While more modern planes might thrill some, there was nothing that compared to row 1 on the 744, looking forward out the nose windows on the daytime LAX-SYD flight.



That is a nice thing, yes. But how many daytime scheduled flights ex-LAX to SYD are there?
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DarkSnowyNight wrote:
a36001 wrote:
L0VE2FLY wrote:
Sad to see the mighty queen go, even sadder to see her being replaced by the so-called Dreamliner at Qantas and many other carriers around the world! :mad: I was lucky enough to enjoy a stunning sunrise over the Pacific aboard a QF 744, something you can't do on the 787, thanks to it's stupid dimming windows which allow the crew to override pax and dim all the windows. I still can't believe that the company that gave us the iconic Jumbo Jet is the same company that ruined flying for me and many other window seat fans! Hopefully QF & VA will order some A350s in the future.


Even though the crew can override the passenger selection for the comfort of other passengers, you can still see out the window? or is it completely blacked out? From all my 787 flights with the window at its darkest selection, it is not completely black, granted photography might be somewhat impossible.


Well, there are not many Northern Lights to be seen during the day. So if this is to be at night, yes, the dimming feature renders that more or less impossible. It also distorts color heavily.

It is not as wildly unpopular as it is for no reason.

ikramerica wrote:
While more modern planes might thrill some, there was nothing that compared to row 1 on the 744, looking forward out the nose windows on the daytime LAX-SYD flight.



That is a nice thing, yes. But how many daytime scheduled flights ex-LAX to SYD are there?

None?

Mine was delayed 2 hours to load more cargo and rebalance and we barely made curfew by flying .89 most of the 2nd 1/2.

I can see why they canceled it because the flight was not close to full in premium. 4 pax in F and only about 1/2 full in J.

The return flight was packed in premium.
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Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:26 am

That's a huge downgauge in capacity to the USA...with nothing to the USA between the A388 and the B789.
 
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Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:54 am

I hate to be overly pedantic, but this is not the last flight to the US, it is the last flight to the mainland US. This ship will fly to HNL for the next couple of months, in addition to several select domestic Australian destinations.

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Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:38 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:
That's a huge downgauge in capacity to the USA...with nothing to the USA between the A388 and the B789.


Don't forget that they are adding BNE-SFO and BNE-ORD. Qantas' strategy is basically more flights on smaller planes.

That said, I am really surprised that they are downgauging SYD-SFO now, right before Summer peak season, when BNE-SFO won't be launched for a few months.
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haynflyer wrote:
I hate to be overly pedantic, but this is not the last flight to the US, it is the last flight to the mainland US. This ship will fly to HNL for the next couple of months, in addition to several select domestic Australian destinations.

https://www.businesstraveller.com/busin ... nland-usa/


I’m not aware of the 744 being scheduled to HNL again, never say never but nothing has been said AFAIK.
 
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speedbird52 wrote:
L0VE2FLY wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
Dreamliners are wonderful planes, flew one from SFO to MEL on July 31st, they just can't compare to the Queen of the skies the 747.


Dreamliners are wonderful?! Tell that to my friend who missed out on seeing the glaciers of Greenland and the northern lights! He hated his Dreamliner experience so much he now goes out of his way to avoid it just like yours truly.

I realize this never goes anywhere but couldn't he have asked the flight attendants to undim his window? Or perhaps look out the door?


Of course he did, he even asked the purser and they both refused, despite the fact that most pax were awake as it was a westbound daytime flight. Looking out the door is not a good option, I've done it once not on a 787 though and it wasn't fun, no seat and a tiny window.


a36001 wrote:
L0VE2FLY wrote:
Sad to see the mighty queen go, even sadder to see her being replaced by the so-called Dreamliner at Qantas and many other carriers around the world! :mad: I was lucky enough to enjoy a stunning sunrise over the Pacific aboard a QF 744, something you can't do on the 787, thanks to it's stupid dimming windows which allow the crew to override pax and dim all the windows. I still can't believe that the company that gave us the iconic Jumbo Jet is the same company that ruined flying for me and many other window seat fans! Hopefully QF & VA will order some A350s in the future.


Even though the crew can override the passenger selection for the comfort of other passengers, you can still see out the window? or is it completely blacked out? From all my 787 flights with the window at its darkest selection, it is not completely black, granted photography might be somewhat impossible.


I've been lucky enough to avoid the 787 so far, but I heard from those who flew it that on the darkest setting which is often used by the crew it's like looking through a welding helmet, you can still see but the view is ugly and useless.

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a36001 wrote:
L0VE2FLY wrote:
Sad to see the mighty queen go, even sadder to see her being replaced by the so-called Dreamliner at Qantas and many other carriers around the world! :mad: I was lucky enough to enjoy a stunning sunrise over the Pacific aboard a QF 744, something you can't do on the 787, thanks to it's stupid dimming windows which allow the crew to override pax and dim all the windows. I still can't believe that the company that gave us the iconic Jumbo Jet is the same company that ruined flying for me and many other window seat fans! Hopefully QF & VA will order some A350s in the future.


Even though the crew can override the passenger selection for the comfort of other passengers, you can still see out the window? or is it completely blacked out? From all my 787 flights with the window at its darkest selection, it is not completely black, granted photography might be somewhat impossible.


Well, there are not many Northern Lights to be seen during the day. So if this is to be at night, yes, the dimming feature renders that more or less impossible. It also distorts color heavily.

It is not as wildly unpopular as it is for no reason.


In the case of the northern lights flight, it was a red eye, yet the crew dimmed all the windows right after take off!! He didn't realize what he missed out on until he visited the cockpit after landing and the captain asked him if he was awake when the northern lights appeared!


aemoreira1981 wrote:
That's a huge downgauge in capacity to the USA...with nothing to the USA between the A388 and the B789.


That's where the A35K should fit very nicely, the standard variant for the West Coast trunk routes while the ULR for Project Sunrise.

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