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Flights from Detroit to Middle East

Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:48 pm

What do you think of the viability of Emirates launching DXB-DTW? Or any of the middle eastern airlines launching Detroit flights (due to Dearborn being heavily populated by middle eastern people)?
Other than Royal Jordanian's AMM-DTW route
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Re: Detroit to middle east flights

Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:51 pm

asr0dzjq wrote:
What do you think of the viability of Emirates launching DXB-DTW? Or any of the middle eastern airlines launching Detroit flights (due to Dearborn being heavily populated by middle eastern people)?
Other than Royal Jordanian's AMM-DTW route

More likely TK will connect DTW-IST than EK, QR, EY coming combined. And TK will come only after 2021/2025 depending on the election results in USA.
Pakistan's aviation sector is coming back. It won't be as strong as our eastern neighbor, nowhere close, but it's going to grow over time. Stand by and watch.

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Re: Flights from Detroit to Middle East

Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:03 pm

You can't just say that the DTW has a large "Arab" population. You have to know where they are originally from. The largest Middle Eastern group are the Lebanese. They have been here the longest and are generally the most prosperous and assimilated. Next are the Iraqi Chaldeans (Christians) also are well assimilated. The third largest group, and generally the latest arrivals, are the Yemenis. The only ones who really travel back to their homeland are the Lebanese, now that things are more peaceful there. For them, Royal Jordanian works fine.
 
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Re: Detroit to middle east flights

Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:01 pm

TryToFlySomeday wrote:
asr0dzjq wrote:
What do you think of the viability of Emirates launching DXB-DTW? Or any of the middle eastern airlines launching Detroit flights (due to Dearborn being heavily populated by middle eastern people)?
Other than Royal Jordanian's AMM-DTW route

More likely TK will connect DTW-IST than EK, QR, EY coming combined. And TK will come only after 2021/2025 depending on the election results in USA.


Would you mind to elaborate on what have the upcoming US elections to do with TK expanding operations in the US as they have been doing steadilly for the last decade or more?
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Re: Flights from Detroit to Middle East

Thu Dec 05, 2019 4:36 pm

EK stands no chance, 777 is too big to justify.
EY is no shape to start a new route
QR is the only one has the right equipment.

We are right in the middle of overserved and highly motivated airports like ORD, JFK, YYZ.
Even if O&D fills 60% of the plane, getting feeder partners at North Terminal is an issue.
 
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Re: Detroit to middle east flights

Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:12 pm

upperdeckfan wrote:
TryToFlySomeday wrote:
asr0dzjq wrote:
What do you think of the viability of Emirates launching DXB-DTW? Or any of the middle eastern airlines launching Detroit flights (due to Dearborn being heavily populated by middle eastern people)?
Other than Royal Jordanian's AMM-DTW route

More likely TK will connect DTW-IST than EK, QR, EY coming combined. And TK will come only after 2021/2025 depending on the election results in USA.


Would you mind to elaborate on what have the upcoming US elections to do with TK expanding operations in the US as they have been doing steadilly for the last decade or more?

Never mind, I guess I was wrong. Forgot TK started service to ATL, MIA, and EWR over this term.

But still, EK/EY/QR is unlikely to launch DTW unless demand for India/Pakistan ticks upward from DTW (so far everyone from DTW is driving to YYZ for PK or ORD/YYZ for AI/AC)

Only TK has a chance, cause their business model for U.S. ops does not solely rely on Indians and Pakistanis.

dtw2hyd wrote:
EK stands no chance, 777 is too big to justify.
EY is no shape to start a new route
QR is the only one has the right equipment.

We are right in the middle of overserved and highly motivated airports like ORD, JFK, YYZ.
Even if O&D fills 60% of the plane, getting feeder partners at North Terminal is an issue.


As I said, I know people in my own family from DTW willing to drive to ORD/YYZ to fly to Pakistan on EK/EY/QR (or in the case of PK, YYZ solely).
Pakistan's aviation sector is coming back. It won't be as strong as our eastern neighbor, nowhere close, but it's going to grow over time. Stand by and watch.

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Re: Flights from Detroit to Middle East

Sat Dec 07, 2019 3:44 pm

johns624 wrote:
You can't just say that the DTW has a large "Arab" population. You have to know where they are originally from. The largest Middle Eastern group are the Lebanese. They have been here the longest and are generally the most prosperous and assimilated. Next are the Iraqi Chaldeans (Christians) also are well assimilated. The third largest group, and generally the latest arrivals, are the Yemenis. The only ones who really travel back to their homeland are the Lebanese, now that things are more peaceful there. For them, Royal Jordanian works fine.


Majority of Dearborn are Muslims i guess, (NO OFFENSE)
 
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Re: Detroit to middle east flights

Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:25 am

TryToFlySomeday wrote:
Only TK has a chance, cause their business model for U.S. ops does not solely rely on Indians and Pakistanis.

As I said, I know people in my own family from DTW willing to drive to ORD/YYZ to fly to Pakistan on EK/EY/QR (or in the case of PK, YYZ solely).


Beyond business model, it's IST geographical location what enables TK to better compete with ME3. As other said, out of IST they can offer more convenient connections to Israel, Lebanon, Egypt, Eastern Europe, Caucasus, etc.

Is there no interline agreement to fly to Pakistan out of DTW? does the fare difference pay off to make such a long drive to either ORD or YYZ?
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Re: Detroit to middle east flights

Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:40 am

upperdeckfan wrote:
TryToFlySomeday wrote:
Only TK has a chance, cause their business model for U.S. ops does not solely rely on Indians and Pakistanis.

As I said, I know people in my own family from DTW willing to drive to ORD/YYZ to fly to Pakistan on EK/EY/QR (or in the case of PK, YYZ solely).


Beyond business model, it's IST geographical location what enables TK to better compete with ME3. As other said, out of IST they can offer more convenient connections to Israel, Lebanon, Egypt, Eastern Europe, Caucasus, etc.

Is there no interline agreement to fly to Pakistan out of DTW? does the fare difference pay off to make such a long drive to either ORD or YYZ?

Fare difference pays off a lot. I believe KLM and DL have an interline agreement with EY for KHI. DTW-AMS-AUH-KHI. Though, those flights are always expensive. Same with the LH/EY combo...
Pakistan's aviation sector is coming back. It won't be as strong as our eastern neighbor, nowhere close, but it's going to grow over time. Stand by and watch.

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Re: Flights from Detroit to Middle East

Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:31 am

Dubai is at the wrong (far) end of the Middle East, everywhere that the good people of Detroit want to visit represent a significant backtrack, namely Beirut (3h) and Baghdad (2h). It’s like an American flying Turkish Airlines to London. Sure THY have a footprint in Europe and they’ll probably sell you a ticket, but it’s very impractical when you look at a map.
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