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(DTW) North Terminal Expansion?

Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:05 am

I recently had a stop at the airport for a pickup and there were some interesting changes. The most jarring being the Smith Terminal half ripped apart up to the control tower and I noticed they finally put in additional gates on the North end of the North Terminal after the Berry being long demolished. Does the airport have any plans to expand the North Terminal on the almost demolished Smith Terminal grounds or just hard stands.

On a side note, the new 94 roadway looks cool with the new LED sculpture thing, hopefully they get to updating the McNamara and the Eureka/275 roadway with the new on street signage. Very helpful
 
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Re: (DTW) North Terminal Expansion?

Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:20 am

Three new gates.

A large portion of the proceeds from the new bonds is allocated to the reconstruction of DTW’s Runway 3L, two associated taxiways and a deice pad. This is expected to be one of the largest construction projects in Michigan for the next two years. The remaining funds will be used for a combination of projects, including the demolition of the former L.C. Smith Terminal and construction of three new gates for the growing traffic needs of the North Terminal. This allocation of expenditures represents the first phase of the total approved capital projects of $331 million.

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Re: (DTW) North Terminal Expansion?

Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:42 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
Three new gates.

A large portion of the proceeds from the new bonds is allocated to the reconstruction of DTW’s Runway 3L, two associated taxiways and a deice pad. This is expected to be one of the largest construction projects in Michigan for the next two years. The remaining funds will be used for a combination of projects, including the demolition of the former L.C. Smith Terminal and construction of three new gates for the growing traffic needs of the North Terminal. This allocation of expenditures represents the first phase of the total approved capital projects of $331 million.

https://www.metroairport.com/about-us/d ... s-millions



Did not see that, thank you for sharing.
 
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Re: (DTW) North Terminal Expansion?

Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:20 am

As said the 3 additional gates on the north end made possible by the demolition of the Berry terminal.
This did not include any expansion to the existing terminal footprint.

The full demo of the Berry will also result in additional hardstands/RON positions.

The demo of the Smith will result in one additional wide body FIS gate being added to the North, several RON hardstand positions and a new deicing pad.

The area where this Smith is could eventually be used for future expansion to the North terminal but there are no firm plans to do so at this time.
 
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Re: (DTW) North Terminal Expansion?

Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:24 am

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
As said the 3 additional gates on the north end made possible by the demolition of the Berry terminal.
This did not include any expansion to the existing terminal footprint.

The full demo of the Berry will also result in additional hardstands/RON positions.

The demo of the Smith will result in one additional wide body FIS gate being added to the North, several RON hardstand positions and a new deicing pad.

The area where this Smith is could eventually be used for future expansion to the North terminal but there are no firm plans to do so at this time.


How many WB FIS gates does the north terminal have? I've never spotted more than two WB's at the same time, usually LH and RJ
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Re: (DTW) North Terminal Expansion?

Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:45 pm

upperdeckfan wrote:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
As said the 3 additional gates on the north end made possible by the demolition of the Berry terminal.
This did not include any expansion to the existing terminal footprint.

The full demo of the Berry will also result in additional hardstands/RON positions.

The demo of the Smith will result in one additional wide body FIS gate being added to the North, several RON hardstand positions and a new deicing pad.

The area where this Smith is could eventually be used for future expansion to the North terminal but there are no firm plans to do so at this time.


How many WB FIS gates does the north terminal have? I've never spotted more than two WB's at the same time, usually LH and RJ

May see three WBs starting next year with LH launching MUC - DTW
 
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Re: (DTW) North Terminal Expansion?

Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:39 pm

The North Terminal currently has 4 common-use FIS gates.
D3 - up to B744
D5 - up to A330, or can be configured as 2 narrowbody gates D5A & D5B to each capable up to B757/A321
D9 - up to B757 / A321
D10 - up to B757 / A321

Once the Smith is fully demolished and the ramp area filled-in, another widebody-capabile, FIS gate, D7 will be added adjacent to D5

Longer-term, D4, D6, and D8 could also be made FIS capable with minor renovations to add sterile access to the lower level FIS processing area. These gates could also be made widebody capable with repositioning the parking positions and ramp roadways.
 
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Re: (DTW) North Terminal Expansion?

Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:38 am

There could defiantly be a situation where both LH MUC, FRA, and RJ could be on the ground at the same time.
 
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Re: (DTW) North Terminal Expansion?

Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:52 am

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
The North Terminal currently has 4 common-use FIS gates.
D3 - up to B744
D5 - up to A330, or can be configured as 2 narrowbody gates D5A & D5B to each capable up to B757/A321
D9 - up to B757 / A321
D10 - up to B757 / A321

Once the Smith is fully demolished and the ramp area filled-in, another widebody-capabile, FIS gate, D7 will be added adjacent to D5

Longer-term, D4, D6, and D8 could also be made FIS capable with minor renovations to add sterile access to the lower level FIS processing area. These gates could also be made widebody capable with repositioning the parking positions and ramp roadways.


Is the plan to build the entrance for D7 from the “United Room”, and utilize existing space and seating for D7 pax holding? Or will a separate holding area be built branching off from elsewhere, perhaps taking out the window wall that exists by those two restaurants that exist before going up the ramp to the “United Room”?
 
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Re: (DTW) North Terminal Expansion?

Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:53 am

I feel like they sort of limited future expansion of the North Terminal by “rounding” out the ends of the terminal of that makes sense. They could have left in the possibility of expanding the terminal into the area that was the Smith Terminal.
 
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Re: (DTW) North Terminal Expansion?

Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:36 am

Is the Smith landside building also being demolished? Google Maps shows both the former AA/HP and the UA/US/WN concourses gone.
 
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Re: (DTW) North Terminal Expansion?

Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:24 am

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phatfarmlines wrote:
Is the Smith landside building also being demolished? Google Maps shows both the former AA/HP and the UA/US/WN concourses gone.


Yep, Google hasn’t updated for a while. About a month ago the corridor to concourse a was demolished and they started the landslide demolition. Now as of a week ago it’s about half demolished up to the control tower.
 
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Re: (DTW) North Terminal Expansion?

Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:36 am

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phatfarmlines wrote:
Is the Smith landside building also being demolished? Google Maps shows both the former AA/HP and the UA/US/WN concourses gone.


Yep, Google hasn’t updated for a while. About a month ago the corridor to concourse a was demolished and they started the landslide demolition. Now as of a week ago it’s about half demolished up to the control tower.


That's unfortunate. I felt the Smith landside could have been a contender for a historic landmark.

This new gate "D7", is it going to extend down to where portions of the Smith used to be? Doesn't look like there's space to put right next to existing gate D5.
 
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Re: (DTW) North Terminal Expansion?

Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:28 pm

The master plans long term plan is to extend a totally new concourse in place of where the Smith lobby is. I assume when the time comes, this would be labeled Concourse E and Spirit would take the gates. The plan calls for 6 or 7 gates with 1 gate being WB/NB capable and the rest would be NB. However, this is easily 10+ years away before it comes to fruition if ever. A RON/de-ice pad is very easy to convert to gate space should they build a terminal structure.
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Re: (DTW) North Terminal Expansion?

Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:44 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
I feel like they sort of limited future expansion of the North Terminal by “rounding” out the ends of the terminal of that makes sense. They could have left in the possibility of expanding the terminal into the area that was the Smith Terminal.


They limited the possibility of a strictly linear terminal, I guess, but I'm not sure that would be the best use of the old Smith land area anyway. It might make more sense to branch at that end, leave D1-D6 as a small pier, and build an additional parallel pier connected by a perpendicular corridor.
 
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Re: (DTW) North Terminal Expansion?

Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:53 pm

kavok wrote:
Is the plan to build the entrance for D7 from the “United Room”, and utilize existing space and seating for D7 pax holding? Or will a separate holding area be built branching off from elsewhere, perhaps taking out the window wall that exists by those two restaurants that exist before going up the ramp to the “United Room”?

I am not sure, but they will need to have access to the FIS sterile area that goes to the lower level attached to gates D3 & D5. Unclear if they are going to build any more hold room area, just run a long loading bridge over to where D7 is supposed to sit, which is right on top of the west end of the Smith, basically where the old Concourse C attached to the terminal.

BenflysDTW wrote:
There could defiantly be a situation where both LH MUC, FRA, and RJ could be on the ground at the same time.

I believe the LH FRA (A333) flight departs right around the same time the LH MUC (A350) flight arrives. Both LH planes may be on the gates briefly at the same time, particularly if the MUC flight arrives early.

The RJ 787 flight, that typically arrives from AMM-YUL in the morning, RADs until the evening back to YUL-AMM, right?
If it scheduled to sit all day in DTW, on the days that LH operates MUC and RJ flies, they will likely hardstand the RJ plane that sits for 12+ hours.

Not to mention the occasional ORD & YYZ diversion that needs to deplane when they get raked by thunderstorms and crews go illegal.
dtw107 wrote:
Yep, Google hasn’t updated for a while. About a month ago the corridor to concourse a was demolished and they started the landslide demolition. Now as of a week ago it’s about half demolished up to the control tower.

From the west / airside, they have drapped the front of the Smith Terminal with a large screening to block wind and contain debris. From the landside, you can see how they've hollowed out the inside of the old terminal. It will be interesting to see how they demo the old control tower. I can only imagine how much asbestos was in that old terminal.

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They limited the possibility of a strictly linear terminal, I guess, but I'm not sure that would be the best use of the old Smith land area anyway. It might make more sense to branch at that end, leave D1-D6 as a small pier, and build an additional parallel pier connected by a perpendicular corridor.

Its all in the master plan. They puposely did not want to extend the ends of D any further north or south since it would impede other facilities or airside operations.
They very much need ramp space for RONs and more importantly deicing operations.
The master plan, if further expansion is needed to the North is as said earlier, add a linear concourse branching of D and going where the Smith terminal currently sits.
 
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Re: (DTW) North Terminal Expansion?

Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:23 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
dtremit wrote:
They limited the possibility of a strictly linear terminal, I guess, but I'm not sure that would be the best use of the old Smith land area anyway. It might make more sense to branch at that end, leave D1-D6 as a small pier, and build an additional parallel pier connected by a perpendicular corridor.

Its all in the master plan. They puposely did not want to extend the ends of D any further north or south since it would impede other facilities or airside operations.
They very much need ramp space for RONs and more importantly deicing operations.
The master plan, if further expansion is needed to the North is as said earlier, add a linear concourse branching of D and going where the Smith terminal currently sits.


I think that's more or less what I meant, albeit with a slightly different configuration in the Smith Terminal space.

(What's funny is that, if they do that, they'll end up with something that looks awfully close to the footprint of the old Smith/Davey complex.)
 
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Re: (DTW) North Terminal Expansion?

Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:30 pm

Somewhat but it will all be a mostly single loaded linear concourse and only 1 terminal complex

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