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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:55 pm

July 2019 - Load Factors from the T-100's (non-Europe to start, region, then alphabetical order

So it's July, the total numbers were big, so you expect the loads to be good and here are the results, last years pax in parentheses.

Asia

HKG - CX - 87.6% 15,960 (15,560)
No panic at this point, drop in loads, but that's due to a higher capacity with 1,200 more seats vs 400 extra pax this month. Aug onwards might get interesting..
ICN - KE - 85.5% 10,119 (not run)
Excellent set of results for ICN, continuing part of the rationale for increasing the capacity during 2020
NRT - JL - 85.6% 10,346 (10,800)
I continue the old shoe analogy with this one, turns in consistent loads time after time, numbers are slightly down YOY, but not enough to worry the brass at JL I would think
PEK - HU - 73.3% 15,003 (15,258)
and this is what happens when you build it but they don't come, increase of 2,600 capacity (789 usage) but pax actually dropped 250, that caused the load to go from 85.5% to 73.3%, hopefully they are making enough money up front and/or cargo, as back of the house doesn't seem to be growing..
PVG - HU - 70.1% 6,869 (8,203)
Well if you thought PEK was rough, I present PVG. 1 flight less so capacity is roughly consistent, but the butts on seats dropped by 25 PFEW (Pax per flight each way), meaning that the loads dropped by almost 10% YOY, not very impressive. Again, hope front of the house is making up for it, as I could see them dropping this. IF they did, wonder if one of the other carriers would take it over, or even DL?

Middle East

DOH - QR - 92.4% 20,286 (16,486)
An excellent set of results, when you consider they increased their capacity by 4,400 seats this month over last year, unlike HU, the pax did come 3,800 of them to be exact which kept the loads intact, to put that into perspective that equates to an additional 61 PFEW for the month over last year. Nice Job here.
DXB - EK - 94.7% 30,237 (20,717)
Well DOH was good, but this is impressive and as the song goes "anything you can do, I can do better" and is what happens when you have a whale at your disposal, an extra 9,990 seats, were rewarded with a pax count increase of 9,520, to put THAT into perspective, it's 153 PFEW, yes that's PER FLIGHT.. and more than some on their entire aircraft, quite impressive really. Despite the recent concerns in Middle East Flying, I wonder if someday, we might see the return of the 2nd daily, at least in the summer.
IST - TK - 92.7% 16,610 (16,741)
when you are up in the 90% load factors, there isn't a lot of room for growth, it usually means a lot of the month is sold out, case in point with TK as they lost 130 pax, but are at 93% loads. an excellent showing for TK.
TLV - LY - 74.9% 5,408 (4,350)
TLV keeps moving along load % down with 1,600 additional seats led to 1,058 extra pax, so although the load %'s are not awesome, I think LY will be happy with that with an extra 41 PFEW, interestingly had they kept their capacity at 2018 levels with the same pax they would have posted a 95.7% load..Sometime's it worth up gauging if you are not going to leave people behind.

South & Central America

GRU - JJ - 88.4% 8,375 (6,614)
9 extra flights allowing for 1,878 seats and JJ pulled an extra 1,761 pax to move their load % up slightly, another excellent set of results.
HAV - B6 - 60% 777 (didn't run)
they made 60%, that's all i can say about this.. horrid.
MEX - B6 - 77.2% 7,691 (AM 8,315)
reasonable result, but i guess smaller loads and low yields contributed to them killing this route. It should have worked, but it's obvious it hasn't, maybe AM will come back at some point?
PTY - CM - 92.5% 13,935 (12,572)
Excellent set of results for CM 1,400 pax up on last year with 1,500 extra seats. load was slightly down, but in the grand scheme of life great to see.

Africa

CMN - AT - 71.1% 5,759 - not great numbers and I wonder about the longevity of this route, but it does allow me to cross check T-100 vs Massport and the numbers are identical.. happy about that.

Canada[/b] - the reasons why the Canada numbers are falling are becoming very clear, it is the WS effect, but the others are trimming capacity and pulling in less folks.

[b]YHZ
- 88.4% - 8,133 (11,126) - WS's pull out very evident here, but QK did tick up a bit as a result, but nowhere near enough to compensate for WS's loss.

QK (Jazz) - 88.4% - 8,133 (7,545) - 3.5% increase in capacity due to 4 extra flights, 7.8% increase in pax for a 3.5% load increase
WS - left route (3,581)

YOW - QK - 73.8% 3,801 (3,954) - 9.7% decrease in capacity due to 10 less flights, pax count down 4%, so actually increased their loads by 3.8%
YTZ - PD - 72.6% - 21,103 (22,375) - 4.8% increase in capacity, but not translated into pax count, which actually dropped 6% leaving then 8% short on loads YOY, not great sadly

YUL - Combined 84.3% - 17,883 (17,350) - switch between codings here.

AC - mainline 87% - 356 (only 4 flights, so maybe a coding issue)
KV - Sky - 86.5% - 11,702 -
QK - Jazz - 82% - 5,524 (17,350)
RV - Rouge -55.3% - 301 (only 4 flights)

YVR -AC - 88.9% - 6,580 (6,532) - slightly up on 1 less flight.

YYZ - Combined 89.1% - 44,121 (45,600) - up 2% on loads, but 5% capacity cut on 3.4% lower pax count overall. KV is the big issue here. AC and WS increases not enough to make up for it.

AC - 87.8% - 9,875 (9,570) - decent for mainline, up 4% on loads with 1 extra flight logged.
KV - 90.3% - 21,325 (24,415) - 14% capacity cut due to 43 less flights, led to a 12.6% drop in pax, so loads slightly increased, but the damage was done.
WS - 88.2% - 12,862 (11,615) - 4% capacity increase due to 7 extra flights, 10% more pax for a 5.5% load increase,

Europe

AMS - Combined 85.9% 35,476 (29,123)
DL - 85.1% - 27,155 (29,123)
KL - 89% - 8,312
DL again dropped back (roughly 2,000), but won't mind as their partner KL brought in 8,300 to increase the market by a net 6,000 pax. Decent set of results when you increase market capacity by 28%
BCN - (Level) - 87.2% - 7,663 (4,804)
12 extra flights this year, which increased capacity by 75%, a 60% increase in PAX followed, the PFEW actually dropped by 16 overall, but with 87%, still in the excellent range.
CDG - Combined 90.5% - 59,411 (54,686 total last year)

AF - 89.9% - 35,427 (29,612) - load slightly down, but a 21% increase in capacity brought a 20% increase in pax count. Impressive.
DL - 90.9% - 12,571 (12,457) - very consistent from DL, I can see why they wanted to add the 2nd daily in the summer.
DY - 92.2% - 11,413 (8,339) - 8 extra flights, leading to a 33% increase in capacity led to a 37% increase in pax count, very impressive from DY (but are they making money?)
PF - defunct (4,278) - sad to see them go, but the other 3 seem to have picked up the market capacity just fine and then some.

CPH - SK - 11,489 71.1% (7,613) - aaaannnddd normal service is resumed. can we say 321LR, 321LR... 74% increase in capacity over last year, but only a 51% increase in Pax a drop of 26 PFEW YOY... I hope the 321 is the savior here, it has to be.

DUB - Combined 92% - 48,947 (44,655 last year) - this market continues to grow in the summer, B6 should certainly think about DUB for expansion.

DL - 91.2% -12,706 (9,020) - a success story for DL, talk about expanding the market. 34% increase in capacity and a 41% increase in pax, this is impressive
EI - 92.2% - 36,241 (35,635) - if only EI had more aircraft, they could have considered a 3rd daily, but DL has it right now. however even with that another 700 through the door on the same capacity, license to print money for EI.

EDI - DL - 88.1% 9,153 - showing that this was a good move for DL to enter the market in the summer. nicely done.

FCO - Combined 87.8% 23,698 (14,436 last year)

AZ - 90% - 14,607 (14,436) - old shoe route.. consistent here.
DY - 84.4% - 9,091 - market growth right here, will be interesting to see what happens when DL dive in this year.

FRA - LH - 90% 34,306 (34,264 last year) - flat...as..a...pancake...

KEF - FI - 89.1% - 24,732 (35,523 last year) - if you remove WW, FI did 24.109 last year. growth is really down to 4 more flights logged and that's about it.

LGW - DI - 91.2% - 19,460 (19,069 last year) - DI is doing just nicely here with a 400 pax count increase on same capacity, while you can argue as to why DL are weighing in for 2020, the numbers tell me there's more of a market here.

LHR - Combined - 87.1% - 99,402 (87,017 last year) - a return to normal reporting this month, number reported to DOT is around 300 off from the CAA number, so we are in the right ball park.

BA - 86.3% - 57,991 (60,986) - actually not that good, although there was a 5.1% drop in capacity that was mirrored with a 5.1% drop in pax count, but your numbers shouldn't really be dropping at all in July...
DL - 91.7% - 13,515 (11,504) - nicely done by DL, 13.7% increase in capacity leads to a 17.5% increase in pax count.. they should be more than happy with that.
VS - 83.6% - 27,623 (14,527) - the 2nd daily (100% increase in capacity led to a 90% increase in pax, that's pretty damn good in anyone's language and with that second flight being the morning departure, as a summer thing, it continues to prove that off-hours from BOS can work.

LIS - 88.4% 25,652 (14,385), obviously the impact here as a start point is DL's entry into the market, but it's definitely a market stimulation as it's not hurt TP's numbers at all.

DL - 87.5% -10,449
TP - 89% - 15,203 (14,385), 900 more pax on around 400 pax more capacity for an improvement of 3% in loads. Given this and DL's daily.. all good, unless the fares tanked as a result. BUT, with PDL coming.. TP don't appear to be going anywhere anytime soon.

MAD - 88.1% - 23.466 - (16,375 last year) - sad that DY are exiting this market as butts on seats did well, but wider issues with the DY business prevail and alas this was one to go. Shame..

IB 84% - 15,004 (16,375) - 2 flights less, 2% drop in capacity 8% drop in pax, DY have stimulated the market, but some of that appears to have come at the expense of IB, as said above, normal service resumes next year :(
DY 92.1% - 8,238

MAN - 73.1% 5,871 (3,375)

VS - 73.1% 5,871 (3,375 last year) - repeat after me, the 332 is too big for VS for this route..the 757 will be much better in 2020. better than June, 78% increase in capacity led to a 74% increase in pax, that is really due to 12 more flights. butts on seats remained about the same at 210.
MT - defunct (7,282)

MUC - LH - 90.7% - 16,699 (16,363) - pretty flat with a slight improvement, it's going to be fascinating to see what happens when OS arrive and with the Whale next year. One to watch for sure.

PDL - S4 - 87.5% - 15,305 (14,979) - 2 flight increase over 2018, but a drop in loads from 92.2 to 87.5, so not that impressive, but no alarm bells yet. However 2020 when TP weigh in, is going to be very interesting indeed.

RAI - VR - 100% - 1,478 (882) - I have never seen a 100% number on more than 1-2 flights, so to see it on 8 is quite amazing, now yes, it's only 8 flights, it's not setting the world on fire, so either they have given the wrong number to DOT, or they literally did pack their plans for their 1 weekly..

SNN - EI - 94.3% - 10,179 (10,011) - I wonder whether DL or B6 should consider this one as a summer seasonal. it's pretty packed considering the market size. EI actually increased their number by 3% YOY...

TER - S4 - 93.6% - 3,035 (3,896) - big drop in capacity (45%) switching to 321, but...only a 28% drop in Pax so loading them in quite nicely.

ZRH - LX - 90.8% - 23,591 (23,546) - the 2nd 6x weekly flight does well here, pretty flat performance, although it is improved by the fact of increased pax count on 2 less flights, nicely done LX.

Caribbean - major routes only (more than 1x weekly)

AUA - 89.6% - 14,553 (11,910) - 27% capacity increase by B6 running a lot more 321's (last year was pretty much all 320's), pax count followed just under that.
BDA - 85.5% - 14,743 (14,392) - straight fight between DL and B6 on this route, advantage B6 by 1,100 pax and around 2% loads.
PAP - 86% - 4,843 (5,289) - 11 less flights here (23% seat reduction) by B6, however pax count only dropped by 10%, which led to a 9% increase in loads.
PUJ - 61.2% - 4,235 (6,111) - the socio- economic issues in DR clearly evident here, a collapse in the loads by 30%, not good at all.
SDQ - 91.9% 17,316 (13,345) - another successful uplift for B6, 13 extra flights for a 30.3% increase in capacity and a 29.7% increase in pax, most airlines would take that any day of the week.

SJU - 89.7% 34,801 (26,214) - ok I have a bias here because due to my work connections I have a love for PR, the reports of its demise I think are premature. As can be seen from these numbers and maybe why F9 is weighing in. 57 more flights, a little bit of upgauging going on too, but a 34% increase in capacity was rewarded with a 32.7% increase in pax count.. We know the socio-economic issues, but we are back to 4 daily and I would call that a success.

STI - 85.9% 15,148 (12,130) -15 more flights in 2019 vs 2018 a 29% overall increase in capacity, but just as important is an 8% increase due to bigger aircraft, increase of 25% in pax, so although the overall decreased by 3%, i would say overall a successful uplift in 2019.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:21 pm

VS4ever wrote:
July 2019 - Load Factors from the T-100's (non-Europe to start, region, then alphabetical order

HKG - CX - 87.6% 15,960 (15,560)
No panic at this point, drop in loads, but that's due to a higher capacity with 1,200 more seats vs 400 extra pax this month. Aug onwards might get interesting..

PEK - HU - 73.3% 15,003 (15,258)
and this is what happens when you build it but they don't come, increase of 2,600 capacity (789 usage) but pax actually dropped 250, that caused the load to go from 85.5% to 73.3%, hopefully they are making enough money up front and/or cargo, as back of the house doesn't seem to be growing..
PVG - HU - 70.1% 6,869 (8,203)
Well if you thought PEK was rough, I present PVG. 1 flight less so capacity is roughly consistent, but the butts on seats dropped by 25 PFEW (Pax per flight each way), meaning that the loads dropped by almost 10% YOY, not very impressive. Again, hope front of the house is making up for it, as I could see them dropping this. IF they did, wonder if one of the other carriers would take it over, or even DL?


IST - TK - 92.7% 16,610 (16,741)
when you are up in the 90% load factors, there isn't a lot of room for growth, it usually means a lot of the month is sold out, case in point with TK as they lost 130 pax, but are at 93% loads. an excellent showing for TK.

CMN - AT - 71.1% 5,759 - not great numbers and I wonder about the longevity of this route, but it does allow me to cross check T-100 vs Massport and the numbers are identical.. happy about that.


CPH - SK - 11,489 71.1% (7,613) - aaaannnddd normal service is resumed. can we say 321LR, 321LR... 74% increase in capacity over last year, but only a 51% increase in Pax a drop of 26 PFEW YOY... I hope the 321 is the savior here, it has to be.


Thanks for doing this as always!

HKG and CX - At the travel show - HKG is panic is overblown was a common theme I heard in presentations by folks from Frommer's and Mr. Greenburg from CBS News. Its the best time to go to HK just stay away from the 4 blocks where protests happen.

HU HU actually ran A359 on BOS-PEK. 330ish seats per flight.

IST - would love to see some sort of frequency increase even if its summer only.

CMN and AT - I think the B6 codeshare may be hard to book... doesn't always come up online.

CPH - I see a lot of crappy connections in CPH based on the BOS flight timings just my opinion....

HAV/MEX - good riddance but could DL make the latter work with A220 (if they care)
Airlines flown: A3, AA, AC, AF, AM, BA, B6, CA, CO, CX, DL, EA, EL, IB, LH, MI, MQ, NH, NW, NZ, OU, PE, QF, S4, SQ, TP, UA, US, VS, WE, WN

2019: CX BOS-HKG, WE HKG-HKT, CA HKT-PEK-EWR, B6 EWR-BOS
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:09 pm

24 Jan onwards expect the report be out anytime soon.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:35 pm

adamh8297 wrote:
HKG and CX - At the travel show - HKG is panic is overblown was a common theme I heard in presentations by folks from Frommer's and Mr. Greenburg from CBS News. Its the best time to go to HK just stay away from the 4 blocks where protests happen.

The thing with these sorts of conflicts and especially with China is, it's overblown until it isn't. The Tiananmen Square protests actually started 3 years earlier with lstudent protests that no one paid attention to. The Tunisian Revolution that led to the Arab Spring started with small protests a couple of years earlier too. Hong Kong is a powder keg that can explode at any time and businesses don't want to be caught there when it happens. It's not about the protests. It's what may happen. Corporations wouldn't be moving their businesses to Singapore if they thought it was overblown, and that's what's driving airlines to reduce flights to HKG and SQ looking to increase flights from the U.S.

As for HAV, it's tough to see that route succeed from BOS without connections from Canada. Canada's market to Cuba is significantly larger than that of the U.S. plus New England is not exactly an area with a lot of Cuban-Americans. If B6 were to serve one of the beach resort cities in Cuba instead of HAV they might have better luck.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:41 pm

I assume the numbers mostly reflect USA demand? Even those for Europe?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:16 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
I assume the numbers mostly reflect USA demand? Even those for Europe?


When you are up in the 90% LF range, both legs are getting full, if you split them down between inbound and outbound, you would expect roughly 50% each way of course, most are pretty close, but there are a few that are slanted one way or the other. below are the % of total pax flying in each direction, these are not load numbers, from July 19 data

AMS - 54% outbound, 46% inbound
BCN - 54% outbound, 46% inbound
CMN - 45% outbound, 55% inbound
CPH - 53% outbound, 47% inbound
HKG - 47% outbound, 53% inbound
ICN - 53% outbound, 47% inbound
KEF - 57% outbound, 43% inbound
LHR - 54% outbound, 46% inbound
MAD - DY - 51% outbound, 49% inbound (I added this one as it's the opposite of IB)
MAD - IB - 55% outbound, 45% inbound
MAN - 59% outbound, 41% inbound (this might be another reason why DL are taking this over)
NRT - 53% outbound, 47% inbound
TLV - 58% outbound, 42% inbound
YOW - 57% outbound, 43% inbound
ZRH - 53% outbound, 47% inbound
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jan 19, 2020 10:56 pm

Has anyone else noticed that TSA in BOS no longer scan your boarding pass? Last few times I’ve flown out they just asked for my ID. Is BOS allowing non ticketed passengers into the terminals now?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jan 19, 2020 11:08 pm

aaflyer777 wrote:
Has anyone else noticed that TSA in BOS no longer scan your boarding pass? Last few times I’ve flown out they just asked for my ID. Is BOS allowing non ticketed passengers into the terminals now?

To the best of my knowledge, it is only used in the Pre Check lane. It's called as the safe flight program and used certainly at BOS Terminal B. ORD uses it often sometimes. I do not remember seeing the device used on the non TSA side.

To your question, non-ticketed passengers can enter the terminal even without the new system.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jan 19, 2020 11:17 pm

iyerhari wrote:
aaflyer777 wrote:
Has anyone else noticed that TSA in BOS no longer scan your boarding pass? Last few times I’ve flown out they just asked for my ID. Is BOS allowing non ticketed passengers into the terminals now?

To the best of my knowledge, it is only used in the Pre Check lane. It's called as the safe flight program and used certainly at BOS Terminal B. ORD uses it often sometimes. I do not remember seeing the device used on the non TSA side.

To your question, non-ticketed passengers can enter the terminal even without the new system.


Been doing it for a while in A too at the very least. Non-ticketed can’t get through security, but way back when I first got my pre-check you had to go past security to get it. It was in A so I got my own special ticket at the counter to get through security. Quite awesome actually.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:05 am

Q3 2019 DOT Table 6 numbers were released recently.

Due to recent route announcements I will do something a little different.

Here are the current Top 10 unserved routes (announced = served) and PDEW
SAT-178, SDF-140, ABQ-132, MEM-123, OMA-104, GSP-87, BHM-82, RNO-82, OKC-78, DSM-74

SAT may be lower than in recent quarters. SDF/OMA/GSP keep growing a bit. BOS-GSP peaked in Q3-2005 with over 100 PDEW but its also been under 50 at times in the past decade.

G4 entrance into BOS
The PDEW for G4's announced BOS routes for Q3.

GRR-100, TYS-81, AVL-46, VPS-36

I would note that VPS's Emerald Coast catchment includes ECP with 30 PDEW and PNS with 56 PDEW.

SY and BOS-MSN

BOS-MSN was 112 PDEW due to Epic Conference and UA/DL and I believe AA trying to get a piece of the action on that

B6 BOS-BZN

BOS-BZN was 67 PDEW for Q3 which leads one to believe the two weekly will work especially with daily JFK to capture those travelling on a Monday.

BZN benefits from a central location of tourism in the Yellowstone/Rocky Mountain area. Jackson Hole was also 64 PDEW, Missoula is 32, Kalispell is 28. Non tourism - Helena, Great Falls, and Billings add another 30. Maybe a good season will lead to a 3rd or 4th weekly.

AA BOS-ILM
This market was 60 PDEW so filling a weekly should be easy for AA.

I will do gains/losses later.
Airlines flown: A3, AA, AC, AF, AM, BA, B6, CA, CO, CX, DL, EA, EL, IB, LH, MI, MQ, NH, NW, NZ, OU, PE, QF, S4, SQ, TP, UA, US, VS, WE, WN

2019: CX BOS-HKG, WE HKG-HKT, CA HKT-PEK-EWR, B6 EWR-BOS
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:29 am

I don’t get why EK doesn’t switch year-round to the A380. They just did with GLA, which itself had been seasonal. With nearly 95% loads on an A380 already, it seems like now is the time for them to do it.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:40 pm

Top 10 Winners and losers of markets having over 50 PDEW in 2018 and 2019.

Q3 PDEW increases
WAS-132, RDU-131, MCO-119, BNA-104, LAS-89, PBI-84, SAN-64, PHL-57, DFW-57, DEN-45

Q3 PDEW decreases
SFO-166, ATL-132, MSP-99, LA-70, HOU-69, IND-54, MCI-47, NYC-43, SEA-32, TUS-14

Q3 % increases
SRQ-42.5%, TYS-37.7%, MYR-25.9%, SAV-19.8%, PBI-17.7%, GSP-16.7%, RDU-16.4%, CHS-14.1%, BNA-13.7%, LAS-11.9%

Q3 % decreases
TUS-15.7% MCI-12.9%, IND-12.8%, DSM-10.8%, MSP-8.7%, HOU-8.3%, OKC-7.8%, ABQ-7.3%, ATL-7.2%, SFO-6.9%

-BNA no surprise since there seems to be more flights YOY for the past few years. Q3 PDEW was over 850
-MCI/IND/ATL -no surprise with WN cuts
-Why the bump with TYS two quarters in a row. The only corporation that may have consistent travel to BOS is Regal Cinemas who is headquartered in Knoxville. Sea Ray boats and Magnavox could factor in too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category: ... _Tennessee
-Many of these routes with increases are "non-Florida" South - is it due to people relocating there and increasing VFR?
Airlines flown: A3, AA, AC, AF, AM, BA, B6, CA, CO, CX, DL, EA, EL, IB, LH, MI, MQ, NH, NW, NZ, OU, PE, QF, S4, SQ, TP, UA, US, VS, WE, WN

2019: CX BOS-HKG, WE HKG-HKT, CA HKT-PEK-EWR, B6 EWR-BOS
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:48 pm

adamh8297 wrote:
-Why the bump with TYS two quarters in a row. The only corporation that may have consistent travel to BOS is Regal Cinemas who is headquartered in Knoxville. Sea Ray boats and Magnavox could factor in too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category: ... _Tennessee


Regarding TYS, I have a hint for you. Google: "Oak Ridge" and "Boston". Or perhaps "Siemens Knoxville" and "Boston".
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:03 pm

Not sure if this mistake fare or not, but just came across BOS-ZRH on FI for $959/rt in Business class. Looking through Google flights this fare shows up for a good portion of April, all of May and runs through the second week of June.

https://www.google.com/flights#flt=/m/0 ... .USD.95825

Looked at FRA, MUC and CDG and they were slightly more with less availability. I know FI doesn't have the worlds most groundbreaking Business class proudct, but $959/rt in late Spring/early Summer is pretty damn good.
 
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Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:06 pm

jakeroberts212 wrote:
Not sure if this mistake fare or not, but just came across BOS-ZRH on FI for $959/rt in Business class. Looking through Google flights this fare shows up for a good portion of April, all of May and runs through the second week of June.

https://www.google.com/flights#flt=/m/0 ... .USD.95825

Looked at FRA, MUC and CDG and they were slightly more with less availability. I know FI doesn't have the worlds most groundbreaking Business class proudct, but $959/rt in late Spring/early Summer is pretty damn good.


I don't think it is a mistake. FI J is more like Premium Economy on other carriers.
Also, this summer there is a lot of extra capacity TATL (CDG, LHR, MUC, VIE) and all those seats should/must be filled.
 
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Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:58 am

Boston – Dublin 767-300ER replaces A330-300 during following period: 29MAR20 – 20MAY20, 16SEP20 – 23OCT20 (Previous plan: 767 replaces A330 from 16SEP20)

So it looks like DUB is indeed going to get a 330 from May to September, decent bump in capacity for sure. I wonder if DL for 2021 could consider a 2nd daily during the high season


https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-19jan20/
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Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:57 pm

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Boston – Dublin 767-300ER replaces A330-300 during following period: 29MAR20 – 20MAY20, 16SEP20 – 23OCT20 (Previous plan: 767 replaces A330 from 16SEP20)

So it looks like DUB is indeed going to get a 330 from May to September, decent bump in capacity for sure. I wonder if DL for 2021 could consider a 2nd daily during the high season


https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-19jan20/


Many thanks as always for the load factor analysis!

This seems smart to me. Flight leaves late (just before 11pm), som gates wont be an issue departing BOS. Clearly the demand is there.
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Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:23 pm

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Non-ticketed can’t get through security, but way back when I first got my pre-check you had to go past security to get it. It was in A so I got my own special ticket at the counter to get through security. Quite awesome actually.

Those "special tickets" still exist, they are called "gate passes" or something like that. There are many instances when non-ticketed individuals may want to go to the gate such as when accompanying a minor or a handicapped passenger but ultimately it's entirely at the discretion of the customer service agent. I've been told that if it's a slow time of day and you ask nicely, they will give it to just about anyone :)
 
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Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:53 pm

airbazar wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
Non-ticketed can’t get through security, but way back when I first got my pre-check you had to go past security to get it. It was in A so I got my own special ticket at the counter to get through security. Quite awesome actually.

Those "special tickets" still exist, they are called "gate passes" or something like that. There are many instances when non-ticketed individuals may want to go to the gate such as when accompanying a minor or a handicapped passenger but ultimately it's entirely at the discretion of the customer service agent. I've been told that if it's a slow time of day and you ask nicely, they will give it to just about anyone :)


At least at one time, one way to get gate passes was to reserve a conference room with an airline club membership.
 
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Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:19 pm

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adamh8297 wrote:
-Why the bump with TYS two quarters in a row. The only corporation that may have consistent travel to BOS is Regal Cinemas who is headquartered in Knoxville. Sea Ray boats and Magnavox could factor in too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category: ... _Tennessee


Regarding TYS, I have a hint for you. Google: "Oak Ridge" and "Boston". Or perhaps "Siemens Knoxville" and "Boston".

Of the 5 recent G4 route announcements here in Knoxville, TYS-BOS has garnered the most attention and early bookings look pretty nice. G4 obviously doesn’t help the business traveler much. I think another reason the route is increasing in travelers is price. Just a few years ago I had to routinely pay $500 for a r/t. Now I can easily find fares $250-$350. As a result, I am sure fewer people are making the trip over to BNA and just making the quick connection out of TYS. Further, I would not be completely surprised to see AA start the route. They have been the most aggressive with growth in the southeast of the legacies and have started a recent foray into BOS with some point to point flying. Delta has been pretty stagnant in secondary markets across the south, and I just do not see B6 at TYS anytime soon.
 
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Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:02 pm

airbazar wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
Non-ticketed can’t get through security, but way back when I first got my pre-check you had to go past security to get it. It was in A so I got my own special ticket at the counter to get through security. Quite awesome actually.

Those "special tickets" still exist, they are called "gate passes" or something like that. There are many instances when non-ticketed individuals may want to go to the gate such as when accompanying a minor or a handicapped passenger but ultimately it's entirely at the discretion of the customer service agent. I've been told that if it's a slow time of day and you ask nicely, they will give it to just about anyone :)


Domestics are a little more lenient, but with the international carriers the TSA has been a lot more strict. Minors could bring one parent, and elderly escort was very rare. But part of that was also airlines questioning why they needed an escort at departure, but were somehow expected to make the flight, connections etc alone. In many cases it was actually easier to just get them a wheelchair service.

Though it is still work, having access in and out, up and down etc is definitely something many appreciate about working at the airport.
 
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Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:20 pm

Is this Coronavirus thing going to slam the door shut on Hainan flights? That might sound rash, but the media is being its terrorizing self about this.
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Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:59 pm

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Is this Coronavirus thing going to slam the door shut on Hainan flights? That might sound rash, but the media is being its terrorizing self about this.


Interesting throught, with HU coming from PVG and PEK there is a risk that there are pax coming from Wuhan as transfers, one of the notes I have seen is that airlines have been directed to send those passengers to specific US airports that have been identified to have the ability to screen for this at the very least.

So there will be an impact, i suspect, quite how much is open to question. 9m people to quarantine when the cat is already out of the bag is a tough ask. Given HU's loads are not awesome from either, there is a risk that it could kill them off, if enough pax come from there, plus concerns about traveling to China in general. Maybe that opens the door for another carrier, we shall see, all conjecture at this point.

Concerning for sure..
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Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:26 pm

VS4ever wrote:
ChrisNH38 wrote:
Is this Coronavirus thing going to slam the door shut on Hainan flights? That might sound rash, but the media is being its terrorizing self about this.


Interesting throught, with HU coming from PVG and PEK there is a risk that there are pax coming from Wuhan as transfers, one of the notes I have seen is that airlines have been directed to send those passengers to specific US airports that have been identified to have the ability to screen for this at the very least.

So there will be an impact, i suspect, quite how much is open to question. 9m people to quarantine when the cat is already out of the bag is a tough ask. Given HU's loads are not awesome from either, there is a risk that it could kill them off, if enough pax come from there, plus concerns about traveling to China in general. Maybe that opens the door for another carrier, we shall see, all conjecture at this point.

Concerning for sure..




WUH being shutdown may help. I could see CX just redirecting a WUH originating pax via an approved gateway.

What we don't know if what % of passengers connect in PEK/PVG on HU BOS flights. We also don't know the market from BOS to affected area. BOS-WUH could be under 20 pdew for all we know or it could be over 50.

Speaking of PRC -there's 50 people a day just going to PVG or PEK on UA alone from BOS



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Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:25 pm

Looks like some people originating in WUH came in on CX and were medically evaluated on the plane. https://www.wcvb.com/article/passengers ... y/30634716
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Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:27 am

In less than fun news, rumors spreading that an intl carrier might be pulling out

Also that terminal is going to be an absolute mess next summer. There's a lot going on
 
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Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:11 am

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In less than fun news, rumors spreading that an intl carrier might be pulling out

Also that terminal is going to be an absolute mess next summer. There's a lot going on


Place your bets here...

00 - RAM
Red - SK
Black - CX
#36 - HU

or just for the sheer hell of it, as it will just wind people up.. DL...
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Fri Jan 24, 2020 11:40 am

VS4ever wrote:
FGITD wrote:
In less than fun news, rumors spreading that an intl carrier might be pulling out

Also that terminal is going to be an absolute mess next summer. There's a lot going on


Place your bets here...

00 - RAM
Red - SK
Black - CX
#36 - HU

or just for the sheer hell of it, as it will just wind people up.. DL...


Red - AZ
Black - AT (RAM)
00 - S4
0 - DY


AZ is always on life support but they are getting rid of planes by 2021.

https://www.corriere.it/economia/aziend ... 831c.shtml

AT - I wonder if AT/RAM would want to move its flight to ORD due to One World.

S4 is supposed to be sold by the government which could cause a restructure. Airbazar may know more about this. They could jump ship to PVD too.

DY - all of the translantic increases may be too much but BOS is the cheapest to operate. DY would pullout end of summer if it's them.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:22 pm

adamh8297 wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
FGITD wrote:
In less than fun news, rumors spreading that an intl carrier might be pulling out

Also that terminal is going to be an absolute mess next summer. There's a lot going on


Place your bets here...

00 - RAM
Red - SK
Black - CX
#36 - HU

or just for the sheer hell of it, as it will just wind people up.. DL...


Red - AZ
Black - AT (RAM)
00 - S4
0 - DY


AZ is always on life support but they are getting rid of planes by 2021.

https://www.corriere.it/economia/aziend ... 831c.shtml

AT - I wonder if AT/RAM would want to move its flight to ORD due to One World.

S4 is supposed to be sold by the government which could cause a restructure. Airbazar may know more about this. They could jump ship to PVD too.

DY - all of the translantic increases may be too much but BOS is the cheapest to operate. DY would pullout end of summer if it's them.


i don't think DY is going to give up on BOS that easily, of course they might, but those 344 seaters gotta go somewhere and most of the time to BOS they are full (profitable, different story)
AZ is one i hadn't thought of, but with DL going in with a 330 at least for the summer to FCO, this one might happen.
AT loads are just horrible that's why i picked them
S4, wouldn't be the first time they switched to PVD (would make one of our commentators very happy if they did), with TP weighing in heavily with LIS traffic, DL doubling down on that, and now with TP starting PDL, it might make sense for them to lower their cost base and bail...
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Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:35 pm

My guesses are RAM or SAS, with an outside chance at Norwegian simply because of its financials. AZ prints money on the route during the summer season - I’d guess they would expand the winter slowdown.
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Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:47 pm

All my chips on AT. SAS has the ‘correct’ plane coming.
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Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:47 pm

It won't be AT. They wouldn't give up now. The route is much busier in the summer. Y'all have been doubting them since day one and they're doing better than you think they are.
 
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Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:16 pm

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It won't be AT. They wouldn't give up now. The route is much busier in the summer. Y'all have been doubting them since day one and they're doing better than you think they are.


Oh trust us, we want them to succeed no question, it's a important new facet for the airport to have direct service to Africa. The concern is we have been seeing the loads and they just aren't very good. If the Cargo and up front is making up for that, then we will be very happy, and while pax in seats isn't the be all and end all metric, it is an important part of it, and the numbers we are seeing are concerning, 2nd worst to SK, who are right sizing their operation later this year.

To be clear, we do NOT want them to leave, but based on what we are seeing, that's why we are thinking they might be the ones to go.. It will be sad if any airline leaves, but it's part of life and BOS is expanding for a reason (more people want to come here).

Time will tell, but do not mistake our commenting on it possibly being AT for us wanting it to be AT, two very different philosophies.
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Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:23 pm

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[Time will tell but do not mistake our commenting on it possibly being AT for us wanting it to be AT, two very different philosophies.


Exactly.
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Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:30 pm

I don't think it will be RAM simply because they're a government owned airline and being profitable is not really the main priority. There's a reason why they don't publish their financial results. Also they just started so I'd expect them to stick around for at least a couple of years to see if the route improves.
S4 makes the most sense but as an airline that operates with subsidies from the Azorean government, Boston is a heck lot more prestigious than Providence. However with TP entering the route it makes sense for them to leave. The airline is losing over 50 million Euros a year. It's a tiny airline.
I don't expect HU to pull out completely. The BOS-China market is huge. A reduction, yes.
How about LATAM? Seems odd now that they're in bed with DL but at the same time BOS-GRU is an odd route: long and thin, and now with even more hubs in between.
I could see CX suspending the route until better times although we tend to focus on the passenger business only. If the cargo is good that could keep it going.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:47 pm

I'm going to start my guess off by cautioning that I come from a health science background, and have very little business knowledge/accumen.
My top 2 picks would have to be HU or CX, because current events (Wuhan virus and Hong Kong instability) are likely to make those routes unprofitable.
That being said, I would not be surprised if SK, S4, AT, or AZ were to leave the route/fly it from a different airport/become seasonal.
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Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:47 pm

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I don't think it will be RAM simply because they're a government owned airline and being profitable is not really the main priority. There's a reason why they don't publish their financial results. Also they just started so I'd expect them to stick around for at least a couple of years to see if the route improves.
S4 makes the most sense but as an airline that operates with subsidies from the Azorean government, Boston is a heck lot more prestigious than Providence. However with TP entering the route it makes sense for them to leave. The airline is losing over 50 million Euros a year. It's a tiny airline.
I don't expect HU to pull out completely. The BOS-China market is huge. A reduction, yes.
How about LATAM? Seems odd now that they're in bed with DL but at the same time BOS-GRU is an odd route: long and thin, and now with even more hubs in between.
I could see CX suspending the route until better times although we tend to focus on the passenger business only. If the cargo is good that could keep it going.




Also AT operated with a profit last year. They really won't let one route bother them. They will keep growing.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:00 pm

I don't think its SAS, they've tolerated pretty horrible loads on the A330 for a few years now, something is keeping them in BOS (maybe full F cabins) otherwise they would have cut it a long time ago. Given what CX has done with their other US destinations a frequency reduction seems more likely than completely cutting BOS and I feel like if the route was struggling we would have seen that already. JJ recently increased frequencies and given that BOS is now a DL hub I think its unlikely they'll pull out, loads seemed pretty good too. I think S4 moving to PVD is the most likely scenario, less competition and from what I'm told most people who fly to the Azores from BOS live closer to PVD anyways.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:21 pm

HU is definitely my first guess, but would they leave completely or just PVG? I also feel like it could be SK but with the NEO coming in soon maybe they'll tough it out for a while?
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Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:36 pm

Level just dropped BOS-ORY.
 
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Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:51 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Level just dropped BOS-ORY.


So they dropped it before it even started. Sounds like Primera all over again.
 
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Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:58 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
Level just dropped BOS-ORY.


So they dropped it before it even started. Sounds like Primera all over again.



bruh, are you serious? whats the source?
 
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Fri Jan 24, 2020 7:00 pm

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Dieuwer wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
Level just dropped BOS-ORY.


So they dropped it before it even started. Sounds like Primera all over again.



bruh, are you serious? whats the source?


ORY no longer mentioned as a destination from BOS: https://www.flylevel.com/en/destinations/boston
And vanished from booking system.
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Fri Jan 24, 2020 7:04 pm

Is it in anticipation of AA is announcing resumption of BOS-CDG?
 
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Fri Jan 24, 2020 8:29 pm

The only explanation for Ory Gone is if AA is adding a CDG route ... However ... I don't know about that...
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 24, 2020 8:33 pm

So is this the "rumor" or is it still someone else? Cause I thought it was an airline leaving, not a route dropped.
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Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:04 am

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The only explanation for Ory Gone is if AA is adding a CDG route ... However ... I don't know about that...


It could also be this: advanced bookings are terrible.
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Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:07 am

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The only explanation for Ory Gone is if AA is adding a CDG route ... However ... I don't know about that...


Not at all. Boston-Europe is at severe overcapacity, and LEVEL is bowing out of Boston-Paris to cut potential losses.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:09 am

MAH4546 wrote:
massachoicetts wrote:
The only explanation for Ory Gone is if AA is adding a CDG route ... However ... I don't know about that...


Not at all. Boston-Europe is at severe overcapacity, and LEVEL is bowing out of Boston-Paris to cut potential losses.


It looks like they cut BOS to increase EWR!
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:23 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if AA announces BOS-CDG soon. I'm well aware there's heavy competition from DL/AF/DY but given their recent additions this seems like a logical route to add at least seasonally.
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