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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2020

Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:30 pm

From today’s OAG thread: WN CMH-RSW AUG 1.2>1.5[1.1]

Looking at available flights, it appears this frequency increase is going to be accomplished by going 2x on sat/sun in August. This (along with the NK fall frequency increases from a couple of weeks ago) makes me wonder if late summer/fall bookings to vacation destinations are stronger than expected due to pent up travel demand. Nice to see a few added flights again!
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2020

Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:29 pm

https://news.flyfrontier.com/frontier-a ... ar-routes/

Frontier Airlines Boosts Cincinnati Service and Restores 6 Popular Routes

CVG-MCO up to 3x daily in November
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2020

Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:27 am

CMH-SFO nonstop is bookable again on UA beginning Monday August 3rd (A319). The fact that Saturday and Sunday (8/1 and 8/2) are not bookable (but the other weekends in August are) makes me think it may not just be a placeholder. Here’s what UA currently says about scheduling: “Our full domestic schedule is currently for sale. That means we can measure demand based on actual bookings for that month. And, about 30-60 days in advance, we’ll make a decision about how much to reduce that schedule based on how many people have purchased tickets.“ Does anyone have more insight into how real the early August UA schedule is?
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2020

Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:51 am

CMHtraveler wrote:
CMH-SFO nonstop is bookable again on UA beginning Monday August 3rd (A319). The fact that Saturday and Sunday (8/1 and 8/2) are not bookable (but the other weekends in August are) makes me think it may not just be a placeholder. Here’s what UA currently says about scheduling: “Our full domestic schedule is currently for sale. That means we can measure demand based on actual bookings for that month. And, about 30-60 days in advance, we’ll make a decision about how much to reduce that schedule based on how many people have purchased tickets.“ Does anyone have more insight into how real the early August UA schedule is?


August 3rd is where the precovid schedule starts for everyone on UA. Look at another city from CMH (or any station's schedule) it will have full flights they ran before COVID. It is still a placeholder. I would guess it will be updated in one of the next 2 weekends.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2020

Wed Jun 17, 2020 2:32 am

Jshank83 wrote:
CMHtraveler wrote:
CMH-SFO nonstop is bookable again on UA beginning Monday August 3rd (A319). The fact that Saturday and Sunday (8/1 and 8/2) are not bookable (but the other weekends in August are) makes me think it may not just be a placeholder. Here’s what UA currently says about scheduling: “Our full domestic schedule is currently for sale. That means we can measure demand based on actual bookings for that month. And, about 30-60 days in advance, we’ll make a decision about how much to reduce that schedule based on how many people have purchased tickets.“ Does anyone have more insight into how real the early August UA schedule is?


August 3rd is where the precovid schedule starts for everyone on UA. Look at another city from CMH (or any station's schedule) it will have full flights they ran before COVID. It is still a placeholder. I would guess it will be updated in one of the next 2 weekends.


Thanks. That’s twice now I’ve gotten ahead of the planners for these close-in schedule changes. I’ll just let someone else do the sleuthing from now on! :blush:
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2020

Fri Jun 19, 2020 2:04 am

Cross-posting from one of the DL threads:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Delta has loaded what appears to be a preliminary schedule for August that can viewed through the online routemap. The website and what is loaded for sale for August does not yet reflect the changes but they should be loaded in this Saturday's schedule update, and subsequently in enilria's weekly OAG report this Sunday.

There also appears to be additional flights loaded for July as well.


If this is accurate/holds, SLC and LAX appear to return 8/3 on an A319 and 738 respectively.
A310/319/320/321/333, ARJ, BN2, B717/722/73S/733/734/735/73G/738/739/744/757/753/767/763/764/777, CR1/2/7/9, DH6, 328, EM2/ERJ/E70/E75/E90, F28/100, J31, L10/12/15, DC9/D93/D94/D95/M80/M88/M90/D10, SF3, SST
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2020

Fri Jun 19, 2020 12:44 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
Cross-posting from one of the DL threads:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Delta has loaded what appears to be a preliminary schedule for August that can viewed through the online routemap. The website and what is loaded for sale for August does not yet reflect the changes but they should be loaded in this Saturday's schedule update, and subsequently in enilria's weekly OAG report this Sunday.

There also appears to be additional flights loaded for July as well.


If this is accurate/holds, SLC and LAX appear to return 8/3 on an A319 and 738 respectively.


Check here, the updated schedule is in there, although I didn't see SLC or LAX operating from Columbus in August
https://dl.fltmaps.com/en
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2020

Fri Jun 19, 2020 1:44 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
Cross-posting from one of the DL threads:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Delta has loaded what appears to be a preliminary schedule for August that can viewed through the online routemap. The website and what is loaded for sale for August does not yet reflect the changes but they should be loaded in this Saturday's schedule update, and subsequently in enilria's weekly OAG report this Sunday.

There also appears to be additional flights loaded for July as well.


If this is accurate/holds, SLC and LAX appear to return 8/3 on an A319 and 738 respectively.


Check here, the updated schedule is in there, although I didn't see SLC or LAX operating from Columbus in August
https://dl.fltmaps.com/en


I see it now - have to check the schedules off the route map, not the schedules page on Delta's site. Unfortunately no SLC or LAX in August.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2020

Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:57 pm

flyCMH wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
Cross-posting from one of the DL threads:


If this is accurate/holds, SLC and LAX appear to return 8/3 on an A319 and 738 respectively.


Check here, the updated schedule is in there, although I didn't see SLC or LAX operating from Columbus in August
https://dl.fltmaps.com/en


I see it now - have to check the schedules off the route map, not the schedules page on Delta's site. Unfortunately no SLC or LAX in August.


Ah got it, I searched using the booking engine and got both.
A310/319/320/321/333, ARJ, BN2, B717/722/73S/733/734/735/73G/738/739/744/757/753/767/763/764/777, CR1/2/7/9, DH6, 328, EM2/ERJ/E70/E75/E90, F28/100, J31, L10/12/15, DC9/D93/D94/D95/M80/M88/M90/D10, SF3, SST
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2020

Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:14 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
Cross-posting from one of the DL threads:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Delta has loaded what appears to be a preliminary schedule for August that can viewed through the online routemap. The website and what is loaded for sale for August does not yet reflect the changes but they should be loaded in this Saturday's schedule update, and subsequently in enilria's weekly OAG report this Sunday.

There also appears to be additional flights loaded for July as well.


If this is accurate/holds, SLC and LAX appear to return 8/3 on an A319 and 738 respectively.


Check here, the updated schedule is in there, although I didn't see SLC or LAX operating from Columbus in August
https://dl.fltmaps.com/en


I've never used this to check schedules before. Very handy. Thanks for sharing.

I've listed the number of flights per destination served by DL in August for CVG below. I'm sure this could still change by August 1st though.

Mainline
ATL - 7
RSW - 1
TPA - 1
FLL - 1
MCO - 2
MSP - 1
SLC - 2
LAS - 1
LAX - 1

Regional
LGA - 2
DTW - 5
MSP - 3
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2020

Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:20 pm

AirportRival wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
Cross-posting from one of the DL threads:


If this is accurate/holds, SLC and LAX appear to return 8/3 on an A319 and 738 respectively.


Check here, the updated schedule is in there, although I didn't see SLC or LAX operating from Columbus in August
https://dl.fltmaps.com/en


I've never used this to check schedules before. Very handy. Thanks for sharing.

I've listed the number of flights per destination served by DL in August for CVG below. I'm sure this could still change by August 1st though.

Mainline
ATL - 7
RSW - 1
TPA - 1
FLL - 1
MCO - 2
MSP - 1
SLC - 2
LAS - 1
LAX - 1

Regional
LGA - 2
DTW - 5
MSP - 3


I'm searching using the Flights tab on 8/10/20 and the only thing I get from CMH is ATL 6x daily. I have to be doing something wrong.

...and when I use the general Destinations tab, it doesn't show BOS, RDU, or either NYC airports as spokes, but still has SEA, SLC, and LAX.
A310/319/320/321/333, ARJ, BN2, B717/722/73S/733/734/735/73G/738/739/744/757/753/767/763/764/777, CR1/2/7/9, DH6, 328, EM2/ERJ/E70/E75/E90, F28/100, J31, L10/12/15, DC9/D93/D94/D95/M80/M88/M90/D10, SF3, SST
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2020

Sun Jun 21, 2020 2:43 am

DL updates (using 8/3/20 given it looks like the timetable has updated based upon the reappearance of DAY-ATL)

CMH:
ATL- 6x (4 717, 2 738).
DTW- 5x (4 E70/75, 1 CR9)
LGA- 2x (E70/75)
MSP- 4x (CR9)
SLC, LAX, SEA, JFK, RDU, BOS still suspended.

DAY:
ATL returns 3x/day (CR9)
DTW 3x (CRJ)
MSP still suspended.
A310/319/320/321/333, ARJ, BN2, B717/722/73S/733/734/735/73G/738/739/744/757/753/767/763/764/777, CR1/2/7/9, DH6, 328, EM2/ERJ/E70/E75/E90, F28/100, J31, L10/12/15, DC9/D93/D94/D95/M80/M88/M90/D10, SF3, SST
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2020

Sun Jun 21, 2020 2:01 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
DL updates (using 8/3/20 given it looks like the timetable has updated based upon the reappearance of DAY-ATL)

CMH:
ATL- 6x (4 717, 2 738).
DTW- 5x (4 E70/75, 1 CR9)
LGA- 2x (E70/75)
MSP- 4x (CR9)
SLC, LAX, SEA, JFK, RDU, BOS still suspended.

DAY:
ATL returns 3x/day (CR9)
DTW 3x (CRJ)
MSP still suspended.


Thanks DeltaRules! These changes are reflected in today’s OAG thread. Disappointed the west coast service is still suspended, but from the same thread, there is also good news for CMH on the WN front:

- BOS resumes in Sept (1x)
- FLL resumes in Sept (1x)
- PHX resumes in Aug at a greater frequency (1.5x) than last year! Same for Sept.

Two of these three adds seem like part of their public strategy to “squeeze” weaker competitors. Will AA respond to the PHX add? Will DL respond to BOS?
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2020

Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:17 pm

CMHtraveler wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
DL updates (using 8/3/20 given it looks like the timetable has updated based upon the reappearance of DAY-ATL)

CMH:
ATL- 6x (4 717, 2 738).
DTW- 5x (4 E70/75, 1 CR9)
LGA- 2x (E70/75)
MSP- 4x (CR9)
SLC, LAX, SEA, JFK, RDU, BOS still suspended.

DAY:
ATL returns 3x/day (CR9)
DTW 3x (CRJ)
MSP still suspended.


Thanks DeltaRules! These changes are reflected in today’s OAG thread. Disappointed the west coast service is still suspended, but from the same thread, there is also good news for CMH on the WN front:

- BOS resumes in Sept (1x)
- FLL resumes in Sept (1x)
- PHX resumes in Aug at a greater frequency (1.5x) than last year! Same for Sept.

Two of these three adds seem like part of their public strategy to “squeeze” weaker competitors. Will AA respond to the PHX add? Will DL respond to BOS?


NK CMH-MSY returns 8/6. Is their other Summer seasonal MYR or one of the Florida cities (TPA, RSW)? I can't remember.
A310/319/320/321/333, ARJ, BN2, B717/722/73S/733/734/735/73G/738/739/744/757/753/767/763/764/777, CR1/2/7/9, DH6, 328, EM2/ERJ/E70/E75/E90, F28/100, J31, L10/12/15, DC9/D93/D94/D95/M80/M88/M90/D10, SF3, SST
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2020

Mon Jun 22, 2020 10:08 am

DeltaRules wrote:
CMHtraveler wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
DL updates (using 8/3/20 given it looks like the timetable has updated based upon the reappearance of DAY-ATL)

CMH:
ATL- 6x (4 717, 2 738).
DTW- 5x (4 E70/75, 1 CR9)
LGA- 2x (E70/75)
MSP- 4x (CR9)
SLC, LAX, SEA, JFK, RDU, BOS still suspended.

DAY:
ATL returns 3x/day (CR9)
DTW 3x (CRJ)
MSP still suspended.


Thanks DeltaRules! These changes are reflected in today’s OAG thread. Disappointed the west coast service is still suspended, but from the same thread, there is also good news for CMH on the WN front:

- BOS resumes in Sept (1x)
- FLL resumes in Sept (1x)
- PHX resumes in Aug at a greater frequency (1.5x) than last year! Same for Sept.

Two of these three adds seem like part of their public strategy to “squeeze” weaker competitors. Will AA respond to the PHX add? Will DL respond to BOS?


NK CMH-MSY returns 8/6. Is their other Summer seasonal MYR or one of the Florida cities (TPA, RSW)? I can't remember.


It’s MYR. RSW and TPA are seasonal too, but end typically in April according to the 1Q2020 roster of flights still lingering at flycolumbus.com. A reminder of better days I suppose...

https://flycolumbus.com/storage/product ... s-2020.pdf

We’re still a ways off from pre-COVID levels but it’s nice to see nearly all the eastern/midwest destinations trickling back into schedules. I assumed we wouldn’t be cut off from cities like BOS forever. LAS/SEA aside we’re as far west as PHX now with WN’s update, so that’s progress. Hopefully California isn’t too far behind.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2020

Fri Jun 26, 2020 1:49 pm

Omni brought a 777 into CMH for a military charter yesterday, arriving from BWI and departing to SOF:

https://www.facebook.com/columbusairpor ... 87/?type=3
A310/319/320/321/333, ARJ, BN2, B717/722/73S/733/734/735/73G/738/739/744/757/753/767/763/764/777, CR1/2/7/9, DH6, 328, EM2/ERJ/E70/E75/E90, F28/100, J31, L10/12/15, DC9/D93/D94/D95/M80/M88/M90/D10, SF3, SST
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2020

Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:50 pm

Per this week's OAG thread:

CMH:
-AS remains daily through August.
-DL's JFK (2x) and LAX (less-than-daily) return in Sept.

DAY:
-MSP returns in Sept (3x).

CVG:
-DL brings back some of its spokes (DFW, BDL, DCA).
A310/319/320/321/333, ARJ, BN2, B717/722/73S/733/734/735/73G/738/739/744/757/753/767/763/764/777, CR1/2/7/9, DH6, 328, EM2/ERJ/E70/E75/E90, F28/100, J31, L10/12/15, DC9/D93/D94/D95/M80/M88/M90/D10, SF3, SST
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2020

Sun Jun 28, 2020 3:07 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
Per this week's OAG thread:

CMH:
-AS remains daily through August.
-DL's JFK (2x) and LAX (less-than-daily) return in Sept.

DAY:
-MSP returns in Sept (3x).

CVG:
-DL brings back some of its spokes (DFW, BDL, DCA).


Thank you for the summary! Great to see the rumored AS cancellation has not materialized. If that was in fact the plan, you would think it wouldn’t have returned from MSP tag-on to nonstop. Also good to see DAY get MSP back.

Looking at what is available for booking on delta.com, it would appear that CMH-LAX resumes on Tuesday, Sept. 8 and that it will operate daily except for Sundays. It appears the schedule will be very similar to pre-COVID; morning departure to LAX and redeye return flight on a 738.

September is a long way away but it’s great to see overall positive news. Now we wait for AA to load it’s August schedule to see if they respond to WN’s PHX return and DL’s LAX return. UA to SFO is one to watch as well.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2020

Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:43 pm

Some summary updates from CVG:
- New LHR service from DHL, pretty exciting to see nonstop service, even if it is cargo. Tons of new capacity on many routes including ad-hoc routes in Central/South America

- SY began service to CVG with cargo, operating a bunch of routes for Amazon including adding RIC to the network

- Besides RIC, Amazon has added JFK/ORD plus extra frequencies on numerous routes

- DL crew and 737 pilots bases are set to close, with an ~80 FA satellite base remaining
- DL has cut all of the international routes including YYZ and the planned daily to CUN (except for winter break period) and CDG delayed until October
- In better news, more routes have returned with CVG-ATL/DTW/MSP/SLC/LGA/LAX/LAS/MCO/RSW/FLL/TPA/DEN scheduled for August, coming out to 27 flights a day (one MCO was replaced with DEN)
- For now, the 9E pilot/crew bases remain, though no announcement on this yet. Based on what I’ve heard, the mainline bases was already destined for closure in the next few years before COVID due to inefficiencies/high number of retirements at the base, but was accelerated by the virus. Despite this, supposedly DL intends to bring back most of what was here before

- AS announced that CVG-SEA will begin May 1, 2021 after being cut twice. Let’s hope it starts this time :)

- F9 announced a huge push, with 16 peak flights a day next spring. This would be the largest they have ever been in Cincinnati (I believe 14-15, with many more A319s). Could grow even larger if they bring back some of the other routes.

- I would assume the G4 crew/pilot base is safe, with them increasing flights, although not as quickly as F9

- AA/UA/WN/AC increasing flights in line with other stations. PHX for AA and SFO for UA seem gone for good, I’d imagine both will be brought back this fall on DL
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2020

Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:23 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
DL updates (using 8/3/20 given it looks like the timetable has updated based upon the reappearance of DAY-ATL)

CMH:
ATL- 6x (4 717, 2 738).
DTW- 5x (4 E70/75, 1 CR9)
LGA- 2x (E70/75)
MSP- 4x (CR9)
SLC, LAX, SEA, JFK, RDU, BOS still suspended.

DAY:
ATL returns 3x/day (CR9)
DTW 3x (CRJ)
MSP still suspended.


DAY is turning into the CRJ capital of the midwest.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2020

Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:08 pm

a320flyer wrote:
- AA/UA/WN/AC increasing flights in line with other stations. PHX for AA and SFO for UA seem gone for good, I’d imagine both will be brought back this fall on DL


I had previously mentioned WN re-adding daily nonstop service to PHX from CVG once the COVID-19 pandemic is over with
(a) WN having a FF base in Greater Phoenix and Southern California to support the return of daily CVG-PHX nonstop service on WN,
(b) Airlines other than DL such as WN and AA being the airlines of choice for most travelers in Greater Phoenix,
(c) Both AA and F9 having already dropped CVG-PHX nonstop service,
(d) WN serving PHX nonstop from a few destinations such as BWI, CLE, SDF, and BNA that do not have nonstop service to PHX on AA, and
(e) WN being able to fill CVG-PHX nonstop flights back in Spring 2018 and Spring 2019 when WN operated daily nonstop service to PHX from CVG.

UA re-adding CVG-SFO nonstop service might be a possibility once the COVID-19 pandemic is over with SFO being a major hub for UA and with UA, WN, or AS being the airline of choice for most travelers in the San Francisco Bay Area.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2020

Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:09 pm

Appears DL is overestimated August demand or the rise in cases has suppressed demand. Looks like CVG-DEN/FLL are pushed to September, while CVG-LAS will be 5x/week. One plus is CVG-DTW now sees a 738 on the afternoon frequency (though it’s probably just for rerouting the 737 rather than demand).
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2020

Sun Jul 05, 2020 1:37 pm

Quite an exciting OAG thread day for the airports on this forum. I’ll let someone else who is more familiar summarize the many changes at CVG and a few at CAK and DAY. At CMH:

AA September (back to almost normal):
LGA returns (appears to be mostly Envoy 140s with a few Republic 175s in the mix?)
PHX returns (a319)
LAX returns (a319)

NK September (doubling down on Florida)
FLL goes 1>2x daily
MCO goes 1>2x daily
TPA goes 1>2x daily

UA September (a huge sigh of relief)
SFO returns (a319 - not quite daily but operates most days)

WN September (temporary or permanent?)
FLL appears to be cut

A huge grain of salt for all of these of course given how far we are from September and the current COVID situation, but the adds on paper at least demonstrate an intent for the network carriers to restore our west coast routes, and in NK’s case to take advantage of what must be pent up demand for leisure travel (interesting to see them and WN going opposite ways on FLL)!
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2020

Sun Jul 05, 2020 2:13 pm

CMHtraveler wrote:
Quite an exciting OAG thread day for the airports on this forum. I’ll let someone else who is more familiar summarize the many changes at CVG and a few at CAK and DAY. At CMH:

AA September (back to almost normal):
LGA returns (appears to be mostly Envoy 140s with a few Republic 175s in the mix?)
PHX returns (a319)
LAX returns (a319)

NK September (doubling down on Florida)
FLL goes 1>2x daily
MCO goes 1>2x daily
TPA goes 1>2x daily

UA September (a huge sigh of relief)
SFO returns (a319 - not quite daily but operates most days)

WN September (temporary or permanent?)
FLL appears to be cut

A huge grain of salt for all of these of course given how far we are from September and the current COVID situation, but the adds on paper at least demonstrate an intent for the network carriers to restore our west coast routes, and in NK’s case to take advantage of what must be pent up demand for leisure travel (interesting to see them and WN going opposite ways on FLL)!


Apologies, wrong NYC airport. AA CMH-JFK returns in Sept, not LGA which is currently operating.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2020

Sun Jul 05, 2020 2:20 pm

CMHtraveler wrote:
Quite an exciting OAG thread day for the airports on this forum. I’ll let someone else who is more familiar summarize the many changes at CVG and a few at CAK and DAY. At CMH:

AA September (back to almost normal):
LGA returns (appears to be mostly Envoy 140s with a few Republic 175s in the mix?)
PHX returns (a319)
LAX returns (a319)

NK September (doubling down on Florida)
FLL goes 1>2x daily
MCO goes 1>2x daily
TPA goes 1>2x daily

UA September (a huge sigh of relief)
SFO returns (a319 - not quite daily but operates most days)

WN September (temporary or permanent?)
FLL appears to be cut

A huge grain of salt for all of these of course given how far we are from September and the current COVID situation, but the adds on paper at least demonstrate an intent for the network carriers to restore our west coast routes, and in NK’s case to take advantage of what must be pent up demand for leisure travel (interesting to see them and WN going opposite ways on FLL)!


Aside from WN, all the other ones are meaningless at this point. AA and UA have only made cuts for the first week of September. NK schedule this far out is completely unreliable.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2020

Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:25 pm

tphuang wrote:
CMHtraveler wrote:
Quite an exciting OAG thread day for the airports on this forum. I’ll let someone else who is more familiar summarize the many changes at CVG and a few at CAK and DAY. At CMH:

AA September (back to almost normal):
LGA returns (appears to be mostly Envoy 140s with a few Republic 175s in the mix?)
PHX returns (a319)
LAX returns (a319)

NK September (doubling down on Florida)
FLL goes 1>2x daily
MCO goes 1>2x daily
TPA goes 1>2x daily

UA September (a huge sigh of relief)
SFO returns (a319 - not quite daily but operates most days)

WN September (temporary or permanent?)
FLL appears to be cut

A huge grain of salt for all of these of course given how far we are from September and the current COVID situation, but the adds on paper at least demonstrate an intent for the network carriers to restore our west coast routes, and in NK’s case to take advantage of what must be pent up demand for leisure travel (interesting to see them and WN going opposite ways on FLL)!


Aside from WN, all the other ones are meaningless at this point. AA and UA have only made cuts for the first week of September. NK schedule this far out is completely unreliable.


I thought AA had previously zeroed out these routes for Sept?
 
atbPy
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2020

Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:31 pm

CMHtraveler wrote:
AA September (back to almost normal):
LGA returns (appears to be mostly Envoy 140s with a few Republic 175s in the mix?)
PHX returns (a319)
LAX returns (a319)


UA September (a huge sigh of relief)
SFO returns (a319 - not quite daily but operates most days)


I am glad to see the west coast flights returning!
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2020

Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:58 am

CMHtraveler wrote:
Quite an exciting OAG thread day for the airports on this forum. I’ll let someone else who is more familiar summarize the many changes at CVG and a few at CAK and DAY. At CMH:

AA September (back to almost normal):
LGA returns (appears to be mostly Envoy 140s with a few Republic 175s in the mix?)
PHX returns (a319)
LAX returns (a319)

NK September (doubling down on Florida)
FLL goes 1>2x daily
MCO goes 1>2x daily
TPA goes 1>2x daily

UA September (a huge sigh of relief)
SFO returns (a319 - not quite daily but operates most days)

WN September (temporary or permanent?)
FLL appears to be cut

A huge grain of salt for all of these of course given how far we are from September and the current COVID situation, but the adds on paper at least demonstrate an intent for the network carriers to restore our west coast routes, and in NK’s case to take advantage of what must be pent up demand for leisure travel (interesting to see them and WN going opposite ways on FLL)!


Obviously, it's clear as mud as to what might play out but, assuming many of these stick, it'd be good news for CMH. That would leave SLC and SEA on DL as the only West-of-the-Mississippi nonstops which hadn't been reconnected, I think.

DAY would also get DEN back on UA.
A310/319/320/321/333, ARJ, BN2, B717/722/73S/733/734/735/73G/738/739/744/757/753/767/763/764/777, CR1/2/7/9, DH6, 328, EM2/ERJ/E70/E75/E90, F28/100, J31, L10/12/15, DC9/D93/D94/D95/M80/M88/M90/D10, SF3, SST
 
a320flyer
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2020

Mon Jul 06, 2020 10:21 am

CMHtraveler wrote:
tphuang wrote:
CMHtraveler wrote:
Quite an exciting OAG thread day for the airports on this forum. I’ll let someone else who is more familiar summarize the many changes at CVG and a few at CAK and DAY. At CMH:

AA September (back to almost normal):
LGA returns (appears to be mostly Envoy 140s with a few Republic 175s in the mix?)
PHX returns (a319)
LAX returns (a319)

NK September (doubling down on Florida)
FLL goes 1>2x daily
MCO goes 1>2x daily
TPA goes 1>2x daily

UA September (a huge sigh of relief)
SFO returns (a319 - not quite daily but operates most days)

WN September (temporary or permanent?)
FLL appears to be cut

A huge grain of salt for all of these of course given how far we are from September and the current COVID situation, but the adds on paper at least demonstrate an intent for the network carriers to restore our west coast routes, and in NK’s case to take advantage of what must be pent up demand for leisure travel (interesting to see them and WN going opposite ways on FLL)!


Aside from WN, all the other ones are meaningless at this point. AA and UA have only made cuts for the first week of September. NK schedule this far out is completely unreliable.


I thought AA had previously zeroed out these routes for Sept?

I don't believe they were. Enrila's report doesn't show month in changes, but the majority of the cuts this week were August changes. Most US carriers extended their August cuts through labor day, which is why you see 0.7/0.8 for a once daily route in September. They are only working a month out, so we're still a week or two away from the initial September cuts.
 
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2020

Mon Jul 06, 2020 10:32 am

Seems like F9/G4 are seeing strong demand out of CVG, both carriers keep adding flights like crazy. IMO seems like over capacity with DL bringing back most of these routes. Will be interesting to see how this plays out:
G4 AZA-CVG DEC 0.3>0.5[0.3]
G4 CVG-FLL NOV 0.7>1.0[0.9] DEC 0.6>0.9[0.8] JAN 0.6>0.8[0.8]
G4 CVG-LAS DEC 0.4>0.6[0.5] JAN 0.3>0.6[0.4]
G4 CVG-PBI DEC 0.3>0.5[0.3]
G4 CVG-PGD NOV 0.8>1.1[1.0] DEC 0.7>1.0[0.8] JAN 0.6>0.9[0.9]
G4 CVG-PIE NOV 0.8>1.0[0.9] DEC 0.7>1.0[0.8] JAN 0.6>0.9[0.8]
G4 CVG-SFB DEC 0.6>0.8[0.8] JAN 0.6>0.9[0.7]
G4 CVG-SRQ NOV 0.3>0.6[0.4] DEC 0.5>0.8[0.6] JAN 0.3>0.7[0.6]
 
ILNFlyer
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2020

Mon Jul 06, 2020 7:32 pm

Dayton enplanements are down 53% so far this year.

Year-to-date passenger enplanements at the Dayton airport reached 169,954 as of May 2020, the most recent numbers made available. That represents a 52.7% drop from the 359,117 passenger enplanements as of May 2019.

https://www.daytondailynews.com/busines ... sofxZoc3H/
 
a320flyer
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2020

Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:03 pm

Announced a couple of days ago, but UE will resume twice daily LUK-BKL effective July 20th. They completely halted operations in March, so I'm glad to see them back! As of now, BNA/CLT/PDK/MDW remain suspended.
 
CMHtraveler
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Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2020

Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:03 pm

With the return of mainline service this past week to DFW (319/738) on AA and DEN (319) on UA, CMH once again has mainline service from all the network carriers. A small but positive step forward.
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