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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:34 pm

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Mesaba did operate flights to DTW one time as well.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/erussell1984/13759423865

Planes are just too big now to make service viable to LAF.


Aircraft aren't the issue, it's the proximity to IND and even ORD, the Lafayette area is no different than some of the Illinois airports that have service.


LAF catchment area is too small to support ERJ or CRJ service ... the population base is just not there.

The loss of the EAS designation in 1999 has doomed this facility.


Again.....CMI is the same size as Lafayette+West Lafayette if not smaller. Not to mention Tippecanoe County is growing at 10-15%, the issue is that nearly everyone in the area is willing to drive to either IND or ORD/MDW for flights, and therefore airlines aren't going to add service unless they get serious incentives
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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:35 pm

crjflyboy wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
crjflyboy wrote:
Mesaba did operate flights to DTW one time as well.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/erussell1984/13759423865

Planes are just too big now to make service viable to LAF.


Aircraft aren't the issue, it's the proximity to IND and even ORD, the Lafayette area is no different than some of the Illinois airports that have service.


LAF catchment area is too small to support ERJ or CRJ service ... the population base is just not there.

The loss of the EAS designation in 1999 has doomed this facility.


Again.....CMI is the same size as Lafayette+West Lafayette if not smaller. Not to mention Tippecanoe County is growing at 10-15%, the issue is that nearly everyone in the area is willing to drive to either IND or ORD/MDW for flights, and therefore airlines aren't going to add service unless they get serious incentives
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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 5:51 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
crjflyboy wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:

Aircraft aren't the issue, it's the proximity to IND and even ORD, the Lafayette area is no different than some of the Illinois airports that have service.


LAF catchment area is too small to support ERJ or CRJ service ... the population base is just not there.

The loss of the EAS designation in 1999 has doomed this facility.


Again.....CMI is the same size as Lafayette+West Lafayette if not smaller. Not to mention Tippecanoe County is growing at 10-15%, the issue is that nearly everyone in the area is willing to drive to either IND or ORD/MDW for flights, and therefore airlines aren't going to add service unless they get serious incentives


Not even close to being accurate ... Champaign MSA is 230,000 vs Lafayette MSA of 170,000 and this does include Decatur, IL of 70,000 residents just 45 minutes away via interstate highway.

Champaign has 3 interstate highways that feed into it ... Lafayette has 1
 
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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:07 pm

crjflyboy wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
crjflyboy wrote:

LAF catchment area is too small to support ERJ or CRJ service ... the population base is just not there.

The loss of the EAS designation in 1999 has doomed this facility.


Again.....CMI is the same size as Lafayette+West Lafayette if not smaller. Not to mention Tippecanoe County is growing at 10-15%, the issue is that nearly everyone in the area is willing to drive to either IND or ORD/MDW for flights, and therefore airlines aren't going to add service unless they get serious incentives


Not even close to being accurate ... Champaign MSA is 230,000 vs Lafayette MSA of 170,000 and this does include Decatur, IL of 70,000 residents just 45 minutes away via interstate highway.

Champaign has 3 interstate highways that feed into it ... Lafayette has 1


Incorrect:

1. Lafayette/West Lafayette MSA is 220,000+, Champaign is at 239,643, based on population growth rates Champaign will be lower in 5-10 years
https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tab ... l?src=bkmk

2. Decatur, IL can not be included as it already has service from UA, and is surrounded by SPI, BMI & CMI all under an hour drive, diluting any leakage that may go to CMI.

3. Great it has 3 interstate highways that feed it....but what does that have to do with anything

4. LAF officials and the city of Lafayette have already been surveyed and said they weren't interested in getting commercial service back, it doesn't have to do with it being too small. Decatur is 3x smaller than Lafayette, and has UA service.
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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:31 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
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Midwestindy wrote:

Again.....CMI is the same size as Lafayette+West Lafayette if not smaller. Not to mention Tippecanoe County is growing at 10-15%, the issue is that nearly everyone in the area is willing to drive to either IND or ORD/MDW for flights, and therefore airlines aren't going to add service unless they get serious incentives


Not even close to being accurate ... Champaign MSA is 230,000 vs Lafayette MSA of 170,000 and this does include Decatur, IL of 70,000 residents just 45 minutes away via interstate highway.

Champaign has 3 interstate highways that feed into it ... Lafayette has 1


Incorrect:

1. Lafayette/West Lafayette MSA is 220,000+, Champaign is at 239,643, based on population growth rates Champaign will be lower in 5-10 years
https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tab ... l?src=bkmk

2. Decatur, IL can not be included as it already has service from UA, and is surrounded by SPI, BMI & CMI all under an hour drive, diluting any leakage that may go to CMI.

3. Great it has 3 interstate highways that feed it....but what does that have to do with anything

4. LAF officials and the city of Lafayette have already been surveyed and said they weren't interested in getting commercial service back, it doesn't have to do with it being too small. Decatur is 3x smaller than Lafayette, and has UA service.


Facts you conveniently leave out ...

Decatur just got UA service days ago ...replacing CAPE AIR

https://www.decatur-parks.org/airport/

Decatur is a designated EAS airport ... DEC has no flights to CLT ... DEC has no flights to DFW ... CMI does
 
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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:50 pm

crjflyboy wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
crjflyboy wrote:

Not even close to being accurate ... Champaign MSA is 230,000 vs Lafayette MSA of 170,000 and this does include Decatur, IL of 70,000 residents just 45 minutes away via interstate highway.

Champaign has 3 interstate highways that feed into it ... Lafayette has 1


Incorrect:

1. Lafayette/West Lafayette MSA is 220,000+, Champaign is at 239,643, based on population growth rates Champaign will be lower in 5-10 years
https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tab ... l?src=bkmk

2. Decatur, IL can not be included as it already has service from UA, and is surrounded by SPI, BMI & CMI all under an hour drive, diluting any leakage that may go to CMI.

3. Great it has 3 interstate highways that feed it....but what does that have to do with anything

4. LAF officials and the city of Lafayette have already been surveyed and said they weren't interested in getting commercial service back, it doesn't have to do with it being too small. Decatur is 3x smaller than Lafayette, and has UA service.


Facts you conveniently leave out ...

Decatur just got UA service days ago ...replacing CAPE AIR

https://www.decatur-parks.org/airport/

Decatur is a designated EAS airport ... DEC has no flights to CLT ... DEC has no flights to DFW ... CMI does


Please explain how any of that helps your case, or relates to that fact that you say LAF is too small to support commercial air service.
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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:05 pm

Didn't have a chance to go up to SBN yesterday as the event I was going to in LAS on Tuesday has been postponed so like wise my trip to get my sister in SBN and fly. However I did see on a news report out of the airport that all that crappy black brick like tile is gone and has been replaced with a shiny cream colored flooring. The old carpeting is still there and I suspect that is the next thing to go in the airport's terminal modernization program. I will be in South Bend in July and will check in for any further updates on air service etc.
 
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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 29, 2020 12:58 pm

Just a month ago we were all expressing our opinions on what new and exciting services we could expect in Indiana. What are the weakest links at IND, FWA, SBN and EVV that could get cut once the dust settles from all of this and the airlines are reduced in size?
 
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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:56 am

jetskipper wrote:
Just a month ago we were all expressing our opinions on what new and exciting services we could expect in Indiana. What are the weakest links at IND, FWA, SBN and EVV that could get cut once the dust settles from all of this and the airlines are reduced in size?


I'm thinking there's a high probability that IND-CDG won't be coming back.
 
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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:58 pm

As noted in numerous other threads, business and travel articles, a lot of 50 seat jet flying will be gone. Passengers that resume travel will want either actual increased cabin space, or at least the perception of that. so, I think fewer frequencies (for a reasonable future) with more 70 seat aircraft. This also reduces staffing and costs at hub airports. And face it, a lot of traffic will take months to resume, just like after 9/11.
One other thought along this line is if the government ends up with equity holdings in airlines, politics will come into play like it was during the decades of the CAB with Presidential oversight.
That also can play a potential role in what routs are saved, and what are not.
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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:50 pm

IndyHoosier wrote:
jetskipper wrote:
Just a month ago we were all expressing our opinions on what new and exciting services we could expect in Indiana. What are the weakest links at IND, FWA, SBN and EVV that could get cut once the dust settles from all of this and the airlines are reduced in size?


I'm thinking there's a high probability that IND-CDG won't be coming back.


Temporarily SBN-MSP is gone and SBN-ATL will be down to 1 trip per day. Things will recover. Hardest hit is probably G4 with lots of cancellations this month.
 
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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 9:26 pm

Tan Flyr wrote:
As noted in numerous other threads, business and travel articles, a lot of 50 seat jet flying will be gone. Passengers that resume travel will want either actual increased cabin space, or at least the perception of that. so, I think fewer frequencies (for a reasonable future) with more 70 seat aircraft. This also reduces staffing and costs at hub airports. And face it, a lot of traffic will take months to resume, just like after 9/11.
One other thought along this line is if the government ends up with equity holdings in airlines, politics will come into play like it was during the decades of the CAB with Presidential oversight.
That also can play a potential role in what routs are saved, and what are not.
Airlines screaming for help may have opened a pandora's box they wish had remained closed.


SBN will keep 50 seat flying for some time given proximity to both DTW and ORD. When flight is only 20-30 minutes, kind of plane you are in is less important. Flights to ATL, EWR, etc. that are longer will see 70 seaters eventually again, but not soon I don't think. Especially those run by SkyWest for maintenance will continue.

DTW and ORD are the only markets that will continue to have robust service. ATL and DFW will continue as well given the SkyWest maintenance facility. I could see CLT, MSP, and EWR all getting axed for awhile. Then there is Allegiant. Who knows what their balance sheet is like and whether they will even survive the next couple of months. I think they at least will eliminate AZA and LAS and focus on PGD, SFB, and PIE.

My guess is airlines will take this opportunity to look at their networks and make changes that would have been harder while trying to keep a full schedule. For example, DEN may become a reality as well as IAD for UA as they seek to re-balance connections at ORD and EWR (although O&D to EWR will bring it back eventually). DL might also shift some flying for connections to anywhere but Florida to DTW from ATL. AA is likely to keep both DFW and CLT, I don't see adding ORD.
 
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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:26 pm

Checking Delta's website, it appears that Delta hopes things will calm down in June as the SBN schedule is back to the normal flights.

American in June appears back to normal. Afternoon flight to CLT is using a CRJ900.

United also in June appears back to normal with 7 daily flights to ORD. A cut back from the original 10 they were going to operate before the bus service to ORD was resumed.

We shall see if this all holds. Stay Safe and well out there.
 
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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:18 pm

I forgot Allegiant. Looks like they are back to their normal SBN flight schedule by June and July. We shall see though about SBN-LAS.
 
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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:21 pm

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Checking Delta's website, it appears that Delta hopes things will calm down in June as the SBN schedule is back to the normal flights.

American in June appears back to normal. Afternoon flight to CLT is using a CRJ900.

United also in June appears back to normal with 7 daily flights to ORD. A cut back from the original 10 they were going to operate before the bus service to ORD was resumed.

We shall see if this all holds. Stay Safe and well out there.


June schedules at this point haven't even been touched yet. The May schedules published will even still likely be drawn down more than what's being shown currently.
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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 16, 2020 3:50 pm

FWA-LAS looks like it’s still on at this time, but fares are dropping like a rock. What was $128 two weeks ago is now $78, and was was $102 is now $55.

At this point, it’s up to the Nevada Gaming Commission and if rules are relaxed by them so casinos are open before the June 5th first FWA-LAS flight for Allegiant to determine whether to resume now or wait a bit.
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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 16, 2020 4:18 pm

Re FWAERJ: Speaking about airfares in all of this mayhem. Basic Economy Fare SBN-DFW on American in June is $194 R/T. Regular Cabin is $265 R/T.
 
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Thu Apr 16, 2020 4:23 pm

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Re FWAERJ: Speaking about airfares in all of this mayhem. Basic Economy Fare SBN-DFW on American in June is $194 R/T. Regular Cabin is $265 R/T.


Me and my family flew AA FWA-DFW last June for a family reunion in Fort Worth. Basic economy then was $368 per person round trip, and Main Cabin was an extra $40 on top of that. F was in the $900 range.

Oddly enough, some of the only remaining seats on the flight from DFW back to FWA were Main Cabin Extra, and AA automatically assigned two of us to that cabin as Basic Economy assignments are random. Probably one of the most comfortable CRJ rides I have ever been on - and I’ve been on tons.
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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:51 pm

SBN will receive Federal Stimulus Money from the CARES act to tide it over during the COVID-19 downturn.

https://www.southbendtribune.com/news/l ... d3161.html
 
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Fri Apr 17, 2020 8:15 pm

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SBN will receive Federal Stimulus Money from the CARES act to tide it over during the COVID-19 downturn.

https://www.southbendtribune.com/news/l ... d3161.html


FWA did as well. In addition, FWA is rebuilding their ramp and moving the museum to pre-security so a food court will go there (MSE is replacing First Class Concessions). These are the first preparations for Project Gateway, a significant terminal renovation and expansion that will increase true gate capacity to 9 gates (5 E-Jet/A220 sized gates and 4 A320 family/737 gates).
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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 17, 2020 8:19 pm

FWAERJ wrote:
freakyrat wrote:
SBN will receive Federal Stimulus Money from the CARES act to tide it over during the COVID-19 downturn.

https://www.southbendtribune.com/news/l ... d3161.html


FWA did as well. In addition, FWA is rebuilding their ramp and moving the museum to pre-security so a food court will go there. MSE is replacing First Class Concessions, and local brands like Conjure Coffee and Chapman’s Brewing will be part of FWA dining for the first time and will by national brands. These are the first preparations for Project Gateway, a significant terminal renovation and expansion that will increase true gate capacity to 9 gates (5 E-Jet/A220 sized gates and 4 A320 family/737 gates).
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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 23, 2020 2:24 pm

[twoid][/twoid]https://www.transportation.gov/sites/dot.gov/files/2020-04/CARES%20Final%20Order%20FINAL.PDF

This is the minimum weekly service requirements for airline airports required by the Cares Act. Scroll down past all the gibberish and it lists the required number of weekly flights per airport and airline servicing that airport. For example SBN normally has 151 flights per week and is now down to 18.
 
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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 24, 2020 1:04 am

https://www.transportation.gov/sites/do ... 0FINAL.PDF

This is the minimum weekly service requirements for airline airports required by the Cares Act. Scroll down past all the gibberish and it lists the required number of weekly flights per airport and airline servicing that airport. For example SBN normally has 151 flights per week and is now down to 18.
 
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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 10, 2020 10:38 pm

Delta Connection Carrier Skywest has about a dozen or more CRJ7's and CRJ9 aircraft parked on their maintenance ramp and adjacent ramp at SBN (Covid19 Storage)
 
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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 10, 2020 10:52 pm

I looks like in June SBN and FWA will only have one flight a day to DTW on DL and one flight a day to ORD on UA.
 
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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 10, 2020 10:58 pm

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Delta Connection Carrier Skywest has about a dozen or more CRJ7's and CRJ9 aircraft parked on their maintenance ramp and adjacent ramp at SBN (Covid19 Storage)


They've ferried many more west, quite a number to FAT. Additionally they've flown 5 CR2 to IGM, for long term storage, as it was announced that Skywest will lose 55 Delta Connection CR2's from now to the end of 2020, as their individual CPAs expire.
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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 10, 2020 11:14 pm

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I looks like in June SBN and FWA will only have one flight a day to DTW on DL and one flight a day to ORD on UA.


Delta may have to make another DTW or an ATL flight available towards the end of June because with social distancing and such they are presently out of seats on the DTW flight for most days in June.
 
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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 10, 2020 11:17 pm

I've just been informed that Skywest also has about a half dozen of their Large RJ's parked on the SBN ramp west of the terminal building by the old hangar.
 
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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon May 11, 2020 12:26 am

Checking the Skywest Delta Connection fleet page looks like they have 7 700's, 12 70 seat 900's and 31 76 seat 900's which means a large majority of their large RJ Delta Connection fleet is presently parked at SBN. 25-30 aircraft.
 
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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon May 11, 2020 12:58 am

freakyrat wrote:
jetskipper wrote:
I looks like in June SBN and FWA will only have one flight a day to DTW on DL and one flight a day to ORD on UA.


Delta may have to make another DTW or an ATL flight available towards the end of June because with social distancing and such they are presently out of seats on the DTW flight for most days in June.


Many of the seats will open up as flights get closer and people end up cancelling their tickets. It was the same situation for May flights -- lots of "full" flights on many routes when they did the schedule cuts in mid-April followed by seat availability opening up as the departure dates neared.
 
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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon May 11, 2020 1:06 pm

Skywest has 6 CRJ7's parked. the 7th one is used for ASE-SLC flying for Delta. the other 17 aircraft parked at SBN are CRJ9's. They have 55 CRJ2's flying for Delta and that contract is up for renewal this year. With the Covid19 thing reducing flying I do not see Delta renewing this contract or possibly reducing Skywest's CRJ2 flying. Endeavor which is wholy owned by Delta has taken 30 CRJ9's out of storage to cover for the Skywest flying. The long standing rumor is that the only Delta Connection CRJ2 flying to be left at SBN will be for the DTW flights with ATL and MSP flying covered by CRJ7's and CRJ9's. My guess is ATL will be covered by CRJ9's from Endeavor and Skywest will cover the MSP flying with CRJ7's and DTW flying with CRJ2's. We shall see but I think that the Covid19 thing has accelerated Delta's plans to phase out CRJ2 flying from contract carriers and use their wholy owned subsidiary Endeavor to cover most of their regional CRJ type flying.
 
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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon May 11, 2020 5:27 pm

Right now the lone Delta Connection flight to DTW (Under reduced Covid flying) for June is shown to be operated by Endeavor.
 
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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 13, 2020 10:21 pm

https://www.insideindianabusiness.com/s ... ry-airport

UPS Signs Lease Agreement with Gary Airport

"United Parcel Service Inc. (NYSE: UPS) to begin express air shipment operations later this year. The airport says the deal includes 14,000 square feet of office space and a 150,000-square-foot ramp with space to park two A300 aircraft"
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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 14, 2020 6:57 pm

Here are SBN's numbers For Jaanuary and February before this Coronavirus thing hit. SBN was showing a 14% increase in traffic over last years record year.

https://flysbn.com/wp-content/uploads/2 ... istics.pdf
 
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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 14, 2020 8:35 pm

There are approximately 12 Delta Connection CRJs parked at SBN (-200s, -700s and -900s), or at least there were this past weekend.
 
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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 14, 2020 11:36 pm

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There are approximately 12 Delta Connection CRJs parked at SBN (-200s, -700s and -900s), or at least there were this past weekend.


Looks like about 23 jets parked at SBN in the latest pictures I've seen mostly 700's and 900's and a few 200's They are parked on the west terminal ramp and an adjacent taxiway and along the fence east of the Skywest hangar. In the picture I counted 13 jets by the Skywest hangar and 10 jets on the west ramp and adjacent taxiway. The ones in the West Ramp area look like all 900's. That's a lot of metal and almost 1/2 of Skywest's Delta Connection fleet which totals 50 aircraft.
 
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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 14, 2020 11:43 pm

freakyrat wrote:
PresRDC wrote:
There are approximately 12 Delta Connection CRJs parked at SBN (-200s, -700s and -900s), or at least there were this past weekend.


Looks like about 23 jets parked at SBN in the latest pictures I've seen mostly 700's and 900's and a few 200's They are parked on the west terminal ramp and an adjacent taxiway and along the fence east of the Skywest hangar. In the picture I counted 13 jets by the Skywest hangar and 10 jets on the west ramp and adjacent taxiway. The ones in the West Ramp area look like all 900's. That's a lot of metal and almost 1/2 of Skywest's Delta Connection fleet which totals 50 aircraft.


Skywest has way more than 50 Delta Connection aircraft. They have (or had prior to COVID) 60+ 175, 85 CR2's and some 7/9s.
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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri May 15, 2020 8:12 pm

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https://www.insideindianabusiness.com/story/42126453/ups-signs-lease-agreement-with-gary-airport

UPS Signs Lease Agreement with Gary Airport

"United Parcel Service Inc. (NYSE: UPS) to begin express air shipment operations later this year. The airport says the deal includes 14,000 square feet of office space and a 150,000-square-foot ramp with space to park two A300 aircraft"

Hope GYY works out for UPS.

UPS also flies to SBN (and FWA). But South Bend seems a bit too distant to be a reliever for Chicago, even if the roads weren't bottlenecked.

To my knowledge, all UPS parcels from Evansville, Indianapolis, Dayton, Cincinnati, Lexington and Nashville are trucked to UPS's "Worldport" at SDF (Knoxville is flown TYS-SDF). I seem to recall that UPS at one point used trucks from Columbus (OH) to Worldport. However, jammed interstates (especially around Cincinnati) now makes UPS fly LCK-SDF.
 
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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri May 15, 2020 9:19 pm

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freakyrat wrote:
PresRDC wrote:
There are approximately 12 Delta Connection CRJs parked at SBN (-200s, -700s and -900s), or at least there were this past weekend.


Looks like about 23 jets parked at SBN in the latest pictures I've seen mostly 700's and 900's and a few 200's They are parked on the west terminal ramp and an adjacent taxiway and along the fence east of the Skywest hangar. In the picture I counted 13 jets by the Skywest hangar and 10 jets on the west ramp and adjacent taxiway. The ones in the West Ramp area look like all 900's. That's a lot of metal and almost 1/2 of Skywest's Delta Connection fleet which totals 50 aircraft.


Skywest has way more than 50 Delta Connection aircraft. They have (or had prior to COVID) 60+ 175, 85 CR2's and some 7/9s.


Not counting the CRJ200's or the E175's Skywest has 31 76 seat CRJ900's, 12 70 seat Atmosphere CRJ900's 19 70 seat CRJ700's and 8 69 seat CRJ 700's for total of 70 on the larger CRJ's in fleet with about 1/3 of them parked at SBN. What I meant to say is they have a large majority of their Delta Connection CRJ7/9 fleet parked at SBN. So I stand corrected.
 
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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri May 15, 2020 9:19 pm

DiamondFlyer wrote:
freakyrat wrote:
PresRDC wrote:
There are approximately 12 Delta Connection CRJs parked at SBN (-200s, -700s and -900s), or at least there were this past weekend.


Looks like about 23 jets parked at SBN in the latest pictures I've seen mostly 700's and 900's and a few 200's They are parked on the west terminal ramp and an adjacent taxiway and along the fence east of the Skywest hangar. In the picture I counted 13 jets by the Skywest hangar and 10 jets on the west ramp and adjacent taxiway. The ones in the West Ramp area look like all 900's. That's a lot of metal and almost 1/2 of Skywest's Delta Connection fleet which totals 50 aircraft.


Skywest has way more than 50 Delta Connection aircraft. They have (or had prior to COVID) 60+ 175, 85 CR2's and some 7/9s.


Not counting the CRJ200's or the E175's, Skywest Delta Connection has 31 76 seat CRJ900's, 12 70 seat Atmosphere CRJ900's 19 70 seat CRJ700's and 8 69 seat CRJ 700's for total of 70 on the larger CRJ's in fleet with about 1/3 of them parked at SBN. What I meant to say is they have a large majority of their Delta Connection CRJ7/9 fleet parked at SBN. So I stand corrected.
 
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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon May 18, 2020 9:27 pm

G4 ran a SBN-LAS flight today. The first one in over two months. Maybe that is a good sign.
 
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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 24, 2020 2:55 pm

A little good news for SBN. Starting in July SBN gets 1 of the DL ATL flights back and an additional flight to DTW.
 
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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue May 26, 2020 5:58 pm

SBN's numbers are in for March. Traffic was off 46% compared to last March .

https://flysbn.com/wp-content/uploads/2 ... r-2020.pdf
 
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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 11:11 pm

G4 flew another flight to LAS from SBN today. Things looking up.
 
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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:33 pm

FWA is moving forward with its planned terminal expansion and other projects, now that the project has been awarded to Michael Kinder and Sons (MKS) and Flintco to plan, design, and build the expansion projects.

https://fwairport.com/news/fort-wayne-i ... st-termina

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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:42 pm

I've been seeing a lot of G4 A320s going in and out of SBN in recent weeks. One was departing at around 9:15 pm last night.
 
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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:22 pm

SmithAir747 wrote:
FWA is moving forward with its planned terminal expansion and other projects, now that the project has been awarded to Michael Kinder and Sons (MKS) and Flintco to plan, design, and build the expansion projects.

https://fwairport.com/news/fort-wayne-i ... st-termina

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Glad the FWACAA is keeping most of the design and building work local.

Also of note: much like IND’s solar farms, FWA is adding solar panels to the top of the airport’s rental car canopies to reduce grid reliance.
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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:31 pm

And a milestone for FWA, especially in these uncertain times: FWA sees its first LAS flight since 2008 tomorrow, and the flight wasn’t put on hold by COVID-19. If anything, the pandemic made people want to escape cabin fever as things got better.

G4 2612 leaves LAS tonight at 11:26 PM PDT and arrives at FWA at 6:04 AM EDT. While not the longest G4 route, it surely is one of them at 1,649 nmi and a hair under 3 hours 45 minutes.
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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:26 am

A more detailed look at FWA's Project Gateway (as they now call the expansion project for the terminal, apron, parking, new solar farm, etc.), with videos, documents, and architectural impressions:

https://fwairport.com/project-gateway

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Re: Indiana State Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:32 pm

PresRDC wrote:
I've been seeing a lot of G4 A320s going in and out of SBN in recent weeks. One was departing at around 9:15 pm last night.


Yes things are slowly getting back to near normal at SBN with G4. I do not know what their passenger loads are though.

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