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Re: Spirit Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:22 am

The need to connect more dots to LAS on the west coast, and allow for more connections. With so many red eyes leaving LAS eastbound it would allow for many options. Or fly to more cities from their “hubs” (PHX only flight to a “hub” is DFW) and seasonally ord
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:04 am

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Do you think if the new routes prove themselves from EWR, which they should, they will add more routes?
They already have, AUS, BNA, CLT, & SDQ to name a few.
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Re: Spirit Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:48 pm

NK is adding OAK to FLL
Starts April

https://thepointsguy.com/news/spirit-ai ... p-flights/
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:30 am

Woodreau wrote:
Spirit subcontracted out some routes out of ORD to be operated by Miami Air. I guess because they couldn’t operate them with their own planes.

ORD-PHX
ORD-RSW

Maybe to cover the A319 that had an accident in BQN.


The LL ship in question is N758MA - a 738:

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n758ma

The affected flights were:

NK121 ORD-RSW
NK220 RSW-ORD
NK1167 ORD-PHX
NK1168 PHX-ORD

Nothing is loaded for Monday (20JAN20), but it appears the affected flights will see N922NK, an A320neo, on Tuesday 21JAN20.

Two questions:

1. When did the BQN incident occur?

2. Did you ever think you'd see the day when a 738 would be covering an NK flight?
2019: DAL, MCI, PHX, LAS, DFW, SAT, ORD, SLC, SEA, DTW, PHL, MIA, LAX; B73G (WN x3), B738 (WN, AA, DL), A20N (NK), MD83 (AA), B788 (AA x2), CS1 (DL), B739 (DL), B712 (DL), B752 (AA), B763 (AA), B77W (AA), B789 (AA)
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Re: Spirit Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:34 pm

Looks like Spirit is in the process of loading their summer schedule right now. I saw up to July 17 loaded this morning, now seeing through August 1
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 05, 2020 1:21 pm

flymco753 wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
Do you think if the new routes prove themselves from EWR, which they should, they will add more routes?
They already have, AUS, BNA, CLT, & SDQ to name a few.


March 10 is the last flight for EWR-SDQ and MCO-SDQ, not sure why they cancelled because in the same day F9 is starting EWR-SDQ and in april adding SJU and MIA into SDQ, and B6 is adding the 2nd flight from MCO-SDQ in june. Looks like they want to make stronger FLL because NK also in june is adding a 2nd flight FLL-SDQ
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 05, 2020 1:39 pm

Caribbean007 wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
Do you think if the new routes prove themselves from EWR, which they should, they will add more routes?
They already have, AUS, BNA, CLT, & SDQ to name a few.


March 10 is the last flight for EWR-SDQ and MCO-SDQ, not sure why they cancelled because in the same day F9 is starting EWR-SDQ and in april adding SJU and MIA into SDQ, and B6 is adding the 2nd flight from MCO-SDQ in june. Looks like they want to make stronger FLL because NK also in june is adding a 2nd flight FLL-SDQ

It's pretty simple if you look at the prices. Taking a look at Mar 16.

Right now, UA is price matching F9 at $95 for BE on EWR-SDQ. B6 at JFK is at $115 to SDQ. DL is price matching them. Iirc, DR has one of the highest taxes for flights at over $100 per R/T. And then you factor in the $25 CPE at JFK/EWR. That means F9/UA is only getting $10 revenue at that fare level. F9 isn't going to last long on EWR-SDQ at the far level.

When fares are this low and taxes/CPE is that high, no way for ULCCs to compete. I really have no idea what F9 is doing here. They will be gone from many of these EWR routes before you know it.
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:32 pm

tphuang wrote:
Caribbean007 wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
They already have, AUS, BNA, CLT, & SDQ to name a few.


March 10 is the last flight for EWR-SDQ and MCO-SDQ, not sure why they cancelled because in the same day F9 is starting EWR-SDQ and in april adding SJU and MIA into SDQ, and B6 is adding the 2nd flight from MCO-SDQ in june. Looks like they want to make stronger FLL because NK also in june is adding a 2nd flight FLL-SDQ

It's pretty simple if you look at the prices. Taking a look at Mar 16.

Right now, UA is price matching F9 at $95 for BE on EWR-SDQ. B6 at JFK is at $115 to SDQ. DL is price matching them. Iirc, DR has one of the highest taxes for flights at over $100 per R/T. And then you factor in the $25 CPE at JFK/EWR. That means F9/UA is only getting $10 revenue at that fare level. F9 isn't going to last long on EWR-SDQ at the far level.

When fares are this low and taxes/CPE is that high, no way for ULCCs to compete. I really have no idea what F9 is doing here. They will be gone from many of these EWR routes before you know it.


But remember they dont sell all seats same price, also all of them are charging 30.00 for 1 suitcase, what I see is competition. Before that route was serve by UA with 1 daily flight in 2017, in 2018 came into the game B6 with 1 daily flight too, then UA increased to 2 daily flighs, then came play Spirit and UA added a 3rd daily flight..

EWR SDQ
Nov-2017 113,545
Nov-2018 179,983
Nov-2019 385,635

Lets see wha happend, B6 scheduled 2 daily flights starting june 2019
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Re: Spirit Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:38 pm

Caribbean007 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
Caribbean007 wrote:

March 10 is the last flight for EWR-SDQ and MCO-SDQ, not sure why they cancelled because in the same day F9 is starting EWR-SDQ and in april adding SJU and MIA into SDQ, and B6 is adding the 2nd flight from MCO-SDQ in june. Looks like they want to make stronger FLL because NK also in june is adding a 2nd flight FLL-SDQ

It's pretty simple if you look at the prices. Taking a look at Mar 16.

Right now, UA is price matching F9 at $95 for BE on EWR-SDQ. B6 at JFK is at $115 to SDQ. DL is price matching them. Iirc, DR has one of the highest taxes for flights at over $100 per R/T. And then you factor in the $25 CPE at JFK/EWR. That means F9/UA is only getting $10 revenue at that fare level. F9 isn't going to last long on EWR-SDQ at the far level.

When fares are this low and taxes/CPE is that high, no way for ULCCs to compete. I really have no idea what F9 is doing here. They will be gone from many of these EWR routes before you know it.


But remember they dont sell all seats same price, also all of them are charging 30.00 for 1 suitcase, what I see is competition. Before that route was serve by UA with 1 daily flight in 2018, in 2019 came into the game B6 with 1 daily flight too, then UA increased to 2 daily flighs, then came play Spirit and UA added a 3rd daily flight..

EWR SDQ
Nov-2017 113,545
Nov-2018 179,983
Nov-2019 385,635

Lets see wha happend.

United is pricing 154 for all 3 flights on Monday. And by the end of the month, all 3 flights at 104.

That's quite poor. Ulcc are not going to last here.
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:43 pm

tphuang wrote:
Caribbean007 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
It's pretty simple if you look at the prices. Taking a look at Mar 16.

Right now, UA is price matching F9 at $95 for BE on EWR-SDQ. B6 at JFK is at $115 to SDQ. DL is price matching them. Iirc, DR has one of the highest taxes for flights at over $100 per R/T. And then you factor in the $25 CPE at JFK/EWR. That means F9/UA is only getting $10 revenue at that fare level. F9 isn't going to last long on EWR-SDQ at the far level.

When fares are this low and taxes/CPE is that high, no way for ULCCs to compete. I really have no idea what F9 is doing here. They will be gone from many of these EWR routes before you know it.


But remember they dont sell all seats same price, also all of them are charging 30.00 for 1 suitcase, what I see is competition. Before that route was serve by UA with 1 daily flight in 2018, in 2019 came into the game B6 with 1 daily flight too, then UA increased to 2 daily flighs, then came play Spirit and UA added a 3rd daily flight..

EWR SDQ
Nov-2017 113,545
Nov-2018 179,983
Nov-2019 385,635

Lets see wha happend.

United is pricing 154 for all 3 flights on Monday. And by the end of the month, all 3 flights at 104.

That's quite poor. Ulcc are not going to last here.


Then its become very very hard to get rid of them because if you check statistic in the route every year is increasing and came from Nov 2017 113,545 to 385,635 in Nov 2019
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:44 pm

Caribbean007 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
Caribbean007 wrote:

But remember they dont sell all seats same price, also all of them are charging 30.00 for 1 suitcase, what I see is competition. Before that route was serve by UA with 1 daily flight in 2018, in 2019 came into the game B6 with 1 daily flight too, then UA increased to 2 daily flighs, then came play Spirit and UA added a 3rd daily flight..

EWR SDQ
Nov-2017 113,545
Nov-2018 179,983
Nov-2019 385,635

Lets see wha happend.

United is pricing 154 for all 3 flights on Monday. And by the end of the month, all 3 flights at 104.

That's quite poor. Ulcc are not going to last here.


Then its become very very hard to get rid of them because if you check statistic in the route every year is increasing and came from Nov 2018 113,545 to 385,635 in Nov 2019

Well nk is already gone. Frontier just started. It won't be long until they leave.
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:51 pm

Hopefully NK comes to SLC once the new terminal opens which would provide more gate space. Would like to see them try SLC-LAX/DFW/LAS/IAH. It’s definitely a hole in their route network.
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Re: Spirit Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:52 pm

tphuang wrote:
Caribbean007 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
United is pricing 154 for all 3 flights on Monday. And by the end of the month, all 3 flights at 104.

That's quite poor. Ulcc are not going to last here.


Then its become very very hard to get rid of them because if you check statistic in the route every year is increasing and came from Nov 2018 113,545 to 385,635 in Nov 2019

Well nk is already gone. Frontier just started. It won't be long until they leave.


Well when B6 add a 2nd. flight will be 6 daily flights to EWR, JFK has 8 dialy flights in low season and increase in winter and the growing of EWR didnt affect the growing on JFK route.
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:56 pm

Caribbean007 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
Caribbean007 wrote:

Then its become very very hard to get rid of them because if you check statistic in the route every year is increasing and came from Nov 2018 113,545 to 385,635 in Nov 2019

Well nk is already gone. Frontier just started. It won't be long until they leave.


Well when B6 add a 2nd. flight will be 6 daily flights to EWR, JFK has 8 dialy flights in low season and increase in winter and the growing of EWR didnt affect the growing on JFK route.


The demand seems to be almost never ending, it has more than tripled within 3 years without effecting any other route and you think F9 will ditch it right away? The only reason NK dropped the EWR route was in exchange for another SJU flight, reports indicate the flights were going out full too. The only route I can see F9 dropping from EWR is ONT.
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 10:42 pm

NK moving their OCC to BNA. Wonder if they have plans for expansion in Nashville.

https://fox17.com/news/local/spirit-air ... 7iYt1_84rY
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Re: Spirit Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 10:55 pm

southwest1675 wrote:
NK moving their OCC to BNA. Wonder if they have plans for expansion in Nashville.


NK adding BNA-ORD, BNA-DFW, and BNA-DTW nonstop service might happen with Nashville being a major leisure destination and with ORD, DFW, and DTW being three of the largest NK stations that NK doesn't currently serve nonstop from BNA.
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:41 pm

How many gates does NK have at their bases in places such as FLL, ORD, LAS?

Also, how many turns do they do on average per gate per day?
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:28 pm

BNAMealer wrote:
How many gates does NK have at their bases in places such as FLL, ORD, LAS?

Also, how many turns do they do on average per gate per day?
At MCO NK has 4 now. At DTW they have 6.
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Re: Spirit Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 20, 2020 5:36 pm

BNAMealer wrote:
How many gates does NK have at their bases in places such as FLL, ORD, LAS?

Also, how many turns do they do on average per gate per day?


FLL has at least 11 gates. LAS has 10 gates. BWI has 7 gates. ORD has 4 gates. MSY has 4 gates. At MSY the average is around 5 turns per gate per day.
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:44 pm

NK adding BUR-SEA. Anyone know if this will be 319,320,or 321 operated?

Would love to see BUR-FLL, ORD, and EWR added!
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Re: Spirit Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 21, 2020 8:07 pm

NolaMD88fan wrote:
FLL has at least 11 gates. LAS has 10 gates. BWI has 7 gates. ORD has 4 gates. MSY has 4 gates. At MSY the average is around 5 turns per gate per day.


Spirit certainly surprised me when they took 4 gates. That's basically the same usage as a legacy, compared to WN which often does more than 10 turns per day. It does seem like they have a couple of mini banks where 3-4 planes are on the ground at the same time. Still, there's plenty of room for more flights.
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 21, 2020 9:06 pm

flymco753 wrote:
At MCO NK has 4 now.


NK have preferential use of 5 gates and access to several more (some FIS gates) on a on demand/pay by turn basis.
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