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SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:32 am

4 x A346 and 5 x A343 are up for sale.

SAA recently acquired 4 x A350 on relatively short term leases which displaced some A340s. I suspect more 350s may arrive if they succeed in shifting these A340s.

https://simpleflying.com/saa-a340-sale/
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:42 am

I expect they will be hard to sell them and most likely be scrapped.
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:45 am

they get 4 A350 but want to seel 9 A340?? that's a big reduction of fleet

I don't think anyone will buy any of that planes, maybe just for scrapping and spares for other airlines, very few A340 left flying and most airlines are already on the replacement process of all of them, so unless they sell any of them for VIP conversion I don't see any market.
Air Zimbabwe could buy one or two to replace the B767 and restart flights to Europe or Asia.
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:47 am

Makes sense although it would mean a significant downsizing. They must plan on cutting some routes if they are only bringing in 4 A350s, unless they have some more lined up if they get their finances in order. Sidenote 3 of their A343s are younger than their A346s, they have to be some of youngest around.
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:30 am

Some African countries still use 707s to transport high ranking government officials. Could these executive jets be replaced by A340-300s?

Does the A340-600 burn less fuel than the 707?
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:44 am

I don't think downsizing is necessarily a bad thing for SAA now. Either they go into liquidation, or they turn things around slowly.

I would say, selling the old 340's makes sense- not that they will find a proper customer for it. Only keeping the profitable routes with leased A350's sounds like the only logical approach now.

downsizing also means cutting jobs, but then unions strike again, I wonder what will happen this time.
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:45 am

blacksoviet wrote:
Some African countries still use 707s to transport high ranking government officials. Could these executive jets be replaced by A340-300s?


Which countries uses 707s?
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:45 am

blacksoviet wrote:
Some African countries still use 707s to transport high ranking government officials. Could these executive jets be replaced by A340-300s?


There are still 707s in Africa? Are you sure?

blacksoviet wrote:
Does the A340-600 burn less fuel than the 707?


viewtopic.php?t=1355819

Depends on the version, but an A340-300 is pretty much on par with a 707 whereas the -600 burns 1 - 1,5 tons more. On the other hand, the A340 is at least twice as big and flies much, much further.
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:46 am

There is anyway quite a few A350s stored that SAA can get their hand on. If they get the money
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:01 am

The only carrier that I can for see being interested in purchasing these birds would be Portugal's Hi Fly.
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:30 am

behramjee wrote:
The only carrier that I can for see being interested in purchasing these birds would be Portugal's Hi Fly.


and Plus ultra airlines flying to south America with them...
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:54 am

Unfortunately, I think the only party interested is Coca Cola, to make cans out of them.
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:16 pm

Iran could use these planes to replace more ancient ones they have.
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:23 pm

Air Zim is already in the process of Introducing B777 bought from MH. So this is a no go.

As for the A340 I'm wondering why no aircraft have been converted to freighters, such as the DC10 or MD11?
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:32 pm

Lufthansa still flies A340-600 to cape town.
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:42 pm

jfk777 wrote:
Iran could use these planes to replace more ancient ones they have.

They would have to buy them from a thrid party if SAA is to avoid US sanctions.
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:48 pm

SR380 wrote:

As for the A340 I'm wondering why no aircraft have been converted to freighters, such as the DC10 or MD11?

Not enough of them to be worthwhile. Each A340 variant would have to be certified separately. Only 218 of the most popular A340 model, the A343, were built, and who knows how many are still around and in acceptable shape for freighter conversion. Forget about the A346 (97 built).

The MD-11 has a conversion because although it was also built in few numbers most pax airlines were dropping them from their fleet when they had plenty of life left (often after only ~5 years of service) and McDD has did all the design for a freighter early on.
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:01 pm

migair54 wrote:
they get 4 A350 but want to seel 9 A340?? that's a big reduction of fleet

I don't think anyone will buy any of that planes, maybe just for scrapping and spares for other airlines, very few A340 left flying and most airlines are already on the replacement process of all of them, so unless they sell any of them for VIP conversion I don't see any market.
Air Zimbabwe could buy one or two to replace the B767 and restart flights to Europe or Asia.

SAA is bankrupt. Trying to be everything is a sure way to burn through rescue funds. The South African government has more pressing needs (electricity).

SAA wasn't managed as a company, like Alitalia and Air India it was managed for prestige and jobs. Operations based companies must always be managed tightly for efficiency. SAA wasn't...

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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:47 am

The local online papers also report "15 spare engines are up for sale". No more details than that.

Some also report that the planes new would be 'worth R37 billion'. I almost feel this number is out there to make the public feel good, that SAA will be getting 'billions' from the sale. However, of course the reality of selling A340s with no market is very different to the perception of big incoming cash. Overall though, I think this is a good move, but also sad to see those planes go.

https://www.fin24.com/Companies/Industr ... t-20200116

https://ewn.co.za/2020/01/16/south-afri ... nt-reuters
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:39 am

blacksoviet wrote:
Some African countries still use 707s to transport high ranking government officials. Could these executive jets be replaced by A340-300s?

Does the A340-600 burn less fuel than the 707?

Which countries?
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:22 am

I was at Airways Park about an hour ago and they are holding a lunchtime prayer vigil in the atrium to pray for the airline's future.
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:52 am

andz wrote:
I was at Airways Park about an hour ago and they are holding a lunchtime prayer vigil in the atrium to pray for the airline's future.


Yeah that’ll do it
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:18 pm

cedarjet wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
Some African countries still use 707s to transport high ranking government officials. Could these executive jets be replaced by A340-300s?

Does the A340-600 burn less fuel than the 707?

Which countries?


Unfortunately, I think this statement is false and the 707 isn't in operation anymore in Africa.
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:01 pm

readytotaxi wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
Iran could use these planes to replace more ancient ones they have.

They would have to buy them from a thrid party if SAA is to avoid US sanctions.

Anytime a thread comes up about an airline retiring any wide body type on a.net there’s always somebody who pipes up with “Iran could do with that”, I’ve got nothing politically against Iran but it’s getting boring.
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:08 pm

AirBoat wrote:
Lufthansa still flies A340-600 to cape town.


-600 to MUC and -300 to FRA. Edelweiss also grace us here in CPT with their -300 on the ZRH service

Given SA Govt is wobbling about the promised next ZAR2bn tranche, again just to keep the beast afloat, seems if you are really in the market for a very used ex-SAA -300 or -600, you might as wait for the receivers auction sale.
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:17 pm

The only way these A340's leave the SAA fleet without a bankruptcy is if Airbus takes them back in trade for an A330neo or A350 order.
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:30 pm

Someone83 wrote:
There is anyway quite a few A350s stored that SAA can get their hand on. If they get the money

Uh who was stored A350's their brand new aircraft
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:08 pm

SR380 wrote:
Air Zim is already in the process of Introducing B777 bought from MH. So this is a no go.

As for the A340 I'm wondering why no aircraft have been converted to freighters, such as the DC10 or MD11?


Insufficient feedstock. The DC-10 and MD-11 were designed as freighters from the get-go or very soon after. The first MD-11 had passenger windows for certification, but already had the side cargo doors.
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:18 pm

dstblj52 wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
There is anyway quite a few A350s stored that SAA can get their hand on. If they get the money

Uh who was stored A350's their brand new aircraft


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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:49 pm

dstblj52 wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
There is anyway quite a few A350s stored that SAA can get their hand on. If they get the money

Uh who was stored A350's their brand new aircraft


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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:58 pm

I can't imagine a new life for them, but the SA A346 is one of my favorite livery/aircraft combos. Super-elegant to my eye. But the A350 will look pretty sweet too.
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:43 pm

Theses 9x A340s have effectively been replaced by 5x A330-300s and the 4x newly arrived A350s. It's a one-for-one replacement. The reason that SAA kept them for a while (alongside the A330-300s) was to cover for a series of heavy maintenance checks on the A330-200s and remaining leased A340s. As they completed maintenance several A340s were stored in anticipation of this sale.

There is no anticipation at SAA that a buyer will intend to fly them. About three of the nine are not even in flying condition. These are going straight to the scrapheap. The engines and APUs will have decent value.
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:56 pm

Also, the current schedule requires about 15 widebody aircraft (17 if you include the suspended JNB-HKG route). They have 11x A330s, 17x A340s (although some are stored) and now 4x A350s. Even with the sale of these 9, there is still sufficient capacity to operate the schedule.
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:06 pm

cedarjet wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
Some African countries still use 707s to transport high ranking government officials. Could these executive jets be replaced by A340-300s?

Does the A340-600 burn less fuel than the 707?

Which countries?

Democratic Republic of Congo has a 707-100B in Dreamliner livery.
 
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Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:15 pm

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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Sat Jan 18, 2020 1:04 am

SR380 wrote:
Air Zim is already in the process of Introducing B777 bought from MH.

They have been in the "process" for years. Don't hold your breath.

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