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AC320tech
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DC-10-30ER Production Numbers

Wed Mar 11, 2020 1:58 am

Im trying to find a straight answer online of how many DC-10-30ERs were made. Wikipedia is unreliable, and other production list tracking sites dont have clear info. Wikipedia, for instance, says six were made and five converted, and I know Canadian had five DC-10-30ERs at one point and leased some to UA so... How many were truly made and how many were converted?
 
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Re: DC-10-30ER Production Numbers

Wed Mar 11, 2020 2:21 am

Sadly, this is a byproduct of electronic media. When you really need details like you are looking for, I am afraid you are going to have to track down a DC-10 monograph or profile book on the DC-10. There is one on the first page of eBay right now for $20. Type "DC-10 book" in the search. I would grab it fast. These older publications have this type of information that you just cannot find on the Internet.
 
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Re: DC-10-30ER Production Numbers

Wed Mar 11, 2020 2:44 am

446 DC10s built over 18 years...
122 Series 10
9 Series 10CF
7 Series 15
163 Series 30
27 Series 30CF
4 Series 30ER
12 Series 30F
42 Series 40
60 KC-10A

I feel like there was an after production ER mod which some airlines including CP had done...
 
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Re: DC-10-30ER Production Numbers

Wed Mar 11, 2020 3:40 am

ramprat320 wrote:
I feel like there was an after production ER mod which some airlines including CP had done...


I wonder if McD offered a production -30ER which had the additional fuel tank and CF6s that had more jam, where a -30 mod to an ER was just an additional fuel tank and no engine change/upgrade?
 
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Re: DC-10-30ER Production Numbers

Wed Mar 11, 2020 7:36 am

Who ordered the four production ERs? Finnair?
fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
 
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Re: DC-10-30ER Production Numbers

Wed Mar 11, 2020 7:40 am

Technically, there were no DC-10ERs, just MTOW bumps. FAA Type Cert only lists the basic DC-10 variants,
"Flown every aircraft since the Wright Flyer" (guys, if you take this literally, then you need to get a life...)
 
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Re: DC-10-30ER Production Numbers

Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:00 am

How much additional fuel did the 30-ER carry?
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Re: DC-10-30ER Production Numbers

Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:07 am

These are what I have in my records for National/Pan Am DC10. MSN all begin with 46 (except the last)

DC10-10 Meteor N60NA 46700 01-Nov-1971
DC10-10 Evening Star N61NA 46701 23-Aug-1971
DC10-10 Morning Star N62NA 46702 16-Sep-1971

DC10-10 Eclipse N63NA 46703 28-Sep-1971
DC10-10 Shooting Star N64NA 46706 08-Apr-1972
DC10-10 Silver Star N65NA 46707 08-Sep-1972
DC10-10 Sirius N66NA 46708 15-Sep-1972
DC10-10 Star of Hope N67NA 46709 14-Oct-1972
DC10-10 Star Gazer N68NA 46710 31-Oct-1972
DC10-10 Star Light N69NA 46942 18-Jun-1974
DC10-10 Star King N70NA 46943 25-Jun-1974



DC10-30 Star of the Union N80NA 46711 15-May-1973
DC10-30 Atmosphere N81NA 46712 19-May-1973
DC10-30 Aurora N82NA 46713 20-Jun-1975
DC10-30 Celestial Empire N83NA 46714 16-Jun-1975
DC10-30 Glory of the Skies N84NA 47837 15-May-1980
 
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Re: DC-10-30ER Production Numbers

Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:20 am

I can actually find only three factory-delivered DC-10-30ER, the three airframes for Thai ordered in the mid-1980s. These aircraft went to Northwest and Omni later on. Other than that, I count five conversions for CP/Canadian and one for Finnair. If you can find more, please let me know.
 
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Re: DC-10-30ER Production Numbers

Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:21 am

cedarjet wrote:
Who ordered the four production ERs? Finnair?


There were five aircraft delivered as -30ERs, two for Swissair and three for Thaï. Other -30s were converted to carry the additional fuel tank (hence the ER), FInnair (1), Swissair (2) & Canadian (5). Those five include the three that went to serve with UA.

http://www.sr692.com/fleet/36_dc1030er/index.html
 
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Re: DC-10-30ER Production Numbers

Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:48 am

Off the top of my head 2 for SR and 3 for AY? although I think TG had very late D10 deliveries...
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Re: DC-10-30ER Production Numbers

Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:49 am

Out of curiosity, how does a 789 compare to a DC-10 in capacity... it surely burns a lot less fuel and can go much farther.

Toward the end of Nw DC-10 service I took a look at their Form 41 numbers. The fuel consumption was tremendous. 3,000 gph or so.
 
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Re: DC-10-30ER Production Numbers

Wed Mar 11, 2020 3:22 pm

LCDFlight wrote:
Out of curiosity, how does a 789 compare to a DC-10 in capacity... it surely burns a lot less fuel and can go much farther.

Toward the end of Nw DC-10 service I took a look at their Form 41 numbers. The fuel consumption was tremendous. 3,000 gph or so.


The DC-10 actually is more comparable to a 788 than a 789. DC10 only has about 5m^2 more cabin floor area than a 788, and 28m^2 less than a 789.

I think the 788 averages around 4800-4900kg/h, with the 789 around 5400kg/h.
 
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Re: DC-10-30ER Production Numbers

Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:33 pm

Interesting thread, I knew that CO had some SR aircraft, but no idea they were ERs. Flew on them all on 7 trips to and from LGW from IAH.
 
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Re: DC-10-30ER Production Numbers

Wed Mar 11, 2020 5:13 pm

Ten Tanker has all three of Thai’s 30ER’s. Two in service and one stored in Oscoda. L/N’s 434/435/438
 
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Re: DC-10-30ER Production Numbers

Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:43 pm

dtw9 wrote:
Ten Tanker has all three of Thai’s 30ER’s. Two in service and one stored in Oscoda. L/N’s 434/435/438

Will the stored one be entered into service?
 
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Re: DC-10-30ER Production Numbers

Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:15 pm

wingsofman72 wrote:
I knew that CO had some SR aircraft, but no idea they were ERs. Flew on them all on 7 trips to and from LGW from IAH.


Huh???
 
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Re: DC-10-30ER Production Numbers

Fri Aug 21, 2020 4:41 pm

AC320tech wrote:
Im trying to find a straight answer online of how many DC-10-30ERs were made. Wikipedia is unreliable, and other production list tracking sites dont have clear info. Wikipedia, for instance, says six were made and five converted, ..
How many were truly made and how many were converted?

DouglasDC10 wrote:
I can actually find only three factory-delivered DC-10-30ER, the three airframes for Thai ordered in the mid-1980s.
Other than that, I count five conversions for CP/Canadian and one for Finnair.

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
There were five aircraft delivered as -30ERs, two for Swissair and three for Thaï.
Other -30s were converted to carry the additional fuel tank (hence the ER), FInnair (1), Swissair (2) & Canadian (5).

Re-visiting this thread, I'm still confused.
It looks like we can agree on THREE Thai (48267,48290,48319)
TWO Swissair (48292,48293), plus TWO conversions (46583,46584)
FIVE conversions for CP/Canadian (46542,46543,48285,48288,48296)

And then there was the strange case of what is (allegedly) the first example, for Finnair (48265), that never took a Finnish reg (it remained as N345HC).
I cannot see how that could be described as a "conversion", except that it may have been ordered as a straight -30, but converted (on paper) to a 30ER whilst still on the line. :scratchchin:

The a.net photo database appears to be all over the place with two different forms of nomenclature.
Meanwhile there are up to SEVEN examples listed against NorthWest, comprising
ex-Swissair 46583
ex-Thai 48267,48290,48319
ex-JAL 48315,48316
ex-Varig 47845

How many of these are genuinely 30ERs? The three ex-Thai are ok, the ex-Swiss is a strong candidate, but what about the rest?
Nothing to see here; move along please.
 
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Re: DC-10-30ER Production Numbers

Fri Aug 21, 2020 6:11 pm

ILikeTrains wrote:
LCDFlight wrote:
Out of curiosity, how does a 789 compare to a DC-10 in capacity... it surely burns a lot less fuel and can go much farther.

Toward the end of Nw DC-10 service I took a look at their Form 41 numbers. The fuel consumption was tremendous. 3,000 gph or so.


The DC-10 actually is more comparable to a 788 than a 789. DC10 only has about 5m^2 more cabin floor area than a 788, and 28m^2 less than a 789.

I think the 788 averages around 4800-4900kg/h, with the 789 around 5400kg/h.


I don't get this comment, the DC-10 is significantly larger than a 788 or maybe I am completely missing something.
 
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Re: DC-10-30ER Production Numbers

Sat Aug 22, 2020 2:21 am

bfitzflyer wrote:
ILikeTrains wrote:
LCDFlight wrote:
Out of curiosity, how does a 789 compare to a DC-10 in capacity... it surely burns a lot less fuel and can go much farther.

Toward the end of Nw DC-10 service I took a look at their Form 41 numbers. The fuel consumption was tremendous. 3,000 gph or so.


The DC-10 actually is more comparable to a 788 than a 789. DC10 only has about 5m^2 more cabin floor area than a 788, and 28m^2 less than a 789.

I think the 788 averages around 4800-4900kg/h, with the 789 around 5400kg/h.


I don't get this comment, the DC-10 is significantly larger than a 788 or maybe I am completely missing something.


Trust me, I was shocked when I saw it too. The 787-8 is 4 feet longer than a DC-10, and DC-10 fuselage is only 8 inches wider.

Source: wikipedia :p
 
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Re: DC-10-30ER Production Numbers

Sat Aug 22, 2020 4:30 pm

ILikeTrains wrote:
bfitzflyer wrote:
ILikeTrains wrote:

The DC-10 actually is more comparable to a 788 than a 789. DC10 only has about 5m^2 more cabin floor area than a 788, and 28m^2 less than a 789.

I think the 788 averages around 4800-4900kg/h, with the 789 around 5400kg/h.


I don't get this comment, the DC-10 is significantly larger than a 788 or maybe I am completely missing something.


Trust me, I was shocked when I saw it too. The 787-8 is 4 feet longer than a DC-10, and DC-10 fuselage is only 8 inches wider.

Source: wikipedia :p


The DC9 was a 9Y airplane and I guess a 787 can be too. The only point of my original post was to celebrate the huge improvement in fuel burn. 787 might be close to HALF the fuel burn. 50-60%, to do a more capable job. That's amazing.
 
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Re: DC-10-30ER Production Numbers

Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:47 am

bfitzflyer wrote:
ILikeTrains wrote:
LCDFlight wrote:
Out of curiosity, how does a 789 compare to a DC-10 in capacity... it surely burns a lot less fuel and can go much farther.

Toward the end of Nw DC-10 service I took a look at their Form 41 numbers. The fuel consumption was tremendous. 3,000 gph or so.


The DC-10 actually is more comparable to a 788 than a 789. DC10 only has about 5m^2 more cabin floor area than a 788, and 28m^2 less than a 789.

I think the 788 averages around 4800-4900kg/h, with the 789 around 5400kg/h.


I don't get this comment, the DC-10 is significantly larger than a 788 or maybe I am completely missing something.



It’s deceptive


The 787 looks a lot smaller as it sits so low to the ground
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