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Re: COVID-19 Cargo Discussion Thread (Cargo Operators and Passenger Airlines Operating Cargo Only Flights)

Sat May 16, 2020 8:08 pm

GARUDA operates to Bogota, Colombia on May 16-17, 2020.

Following an earlier GARUDA B77W service to Brasil, CGK-AMS-GRU, GARUDA today operates a B77W Cargo flight routing CGK-DEL-AMS-BOG-AMS-CGK.

- May 16: GA8800 CGK-DEL B77W PK-GIH
- May 17: GA8800 DEL-AMS B77W PK-GIH
- May 17: GA 8800 AMS-BOG B77W PK-GIH

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Re: COVID-19 Cargo Discussion Thread (Cargo Operators and Passenger Airlines Operating Cargo Only Flights)

Sat May 16, 2020 8:49 pm

Is BA using passenger flight numbers to operate cargo only flights?

BA98/99 has been running LHR-YYZ-LHR daily as of late, but the flight isn’t bookable this month on their website.
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Re: COVID-19 Cargo Discussion Thread (Cargo Operators and Passenger Airlines Operating Cargo Only Flights)

Sat May 16, 2020 9:36 pm

Thenoflyzone wrote:
Is BA using passenger flight numbers to operate cargo only flights?

BA98/99 has been running LHR-YYZ-LHR daily as of late, but the flight isn’t bookable this month on their website.


A lot of the BA flights are showing standard flight numbers on trackers, and when talking to ATC, but most of the long haul flights are cargo only, so not available to book for passengers. In our systems at work they are being prefixed with a 1. So, the Toronto flight is actually BA1099, Shanghai BA1169, Atlanta BA1227, etc. Still some odd ones though as the Los Angeles is still BA283 without a 1 in front, even though it's a cargo only flight.
 
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Re: COVID-19 Cargo Discussion Thread (Cargo Operators and Passenger Airlines Operating Cargo Only Flights)

Sun May 17, 2020 4:00 am

Bamboo had its first all-cargo flight from Vietnam to PRG, using the 789.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=544540389539942

QH will use the flightcode 601/602 between HAN-PRG for this cargo mission, once every 4 days.
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Re: COVID-19 Cargo Discussion Thread (Cargo Operators and Passenger Airlines Operating Cargo Only Flights)

Sun May 17, 2020 5:28 am

AF and KL have started running cargo only into Boston this past week. 2x KL and 1x AF per week. A 772 and 789
 
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Re: COVID-19 Cargo Discussion Thread (Cargo Operators and Passenger Airlines Operating Cargo Only Flights)

Mon May 18, 2020 1:20 am

Here’s Crystal Cruises 777-200LR P4-XTL parked at LAX today, it will be doing cargo runs through LAX over the next few weeks. Just took off to head back to China (?) for PPE pick up.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CAT1nTGB5MY/
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Re: COVID-19 Cargo Discussion Thread (Cargo Operators and Passenger Airlines Operating Cargo Only Flights)

Mon May 18, 2020 1:39 am

China Eastern has converted passenger 10 A330's into cargo operations with another 4 to be converted and plans to operate 90 flights between SZX and LAX

https://twitter.com/ChinaAvReview/statu ... 59430?s=20
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Re: COVID-19 Cargo Discussion Thread (Cargo Operators and Passenger Airlines Operating Cargo Only Flights)

Mon May 18, 2020 8:25 am

VCVSpotter wrote:
Here’s Crystal Cruises 777-200LR P4-XTL parked at LAX today, it will be doing cargo runs through LAX over the next few weeks. Just took off to head back to China (?) for PPE pick up.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CAT1nTGB5MY/


I doubt they pulled the passenger cabin out of that plane...
 
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Re: COVID-19 Cargo Discussion Thread (Cargo Operators and Passenger Airlines Operating Cargo Only Flights)

Mon May 18, 2020 2:14 pm

USAirKid wrote:
VCVSpotter wrote:
Here’s Crystal Cruises 777-200LR P4-XTL parked at LAX today, it will be doing cargo runs through LAX over the next few weeks. Just took off to head back to China (?) for PPE pick up.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CAT1nTGB5MY/


I doubt they pulled the passenger cabin out of that plane...


They did not, I saw some pictures of the interior and it was still there, although there was some netting on the seats.
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Re: COVID-19 Cargo Discussion Thread (Cargo Operators and Passenger Airlines Operating Cargo Only Flights)

Tue May 19, 2020 3:17 pm

As the Brazilian COVID-19 situation accelerates AZUL joins the Cargo in Pax cabin operations with 2x A330-NEO:

- May 20, 2020: VCP AD9752 AMS AD9710 CAN AD9711 AMS AD9753 VCP A339
- May 21, 2020: VCP AD9750 AMS AD9712 PEK AD9713 AMS AD9751 VCP A339
 
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Re: COVID-19 Cargo Discussion Thread (Cargo Operators and Passenger Airlines Operating Cargo Only Flights)

Thu May 21, 2020 1:56 pm

Air Canada has completed their 1000th cargo only flight, since March 22 2020 they have moved 15.3 million kilograms which is equivalent weight of 95 777's

https://twitter.com/AirCanada/status/12 ... 17856?s=20
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Sat May 23, 2020 12:55 pm

SriLankan A332 operating a cargo only flight into SYD today

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Re: COVID-19 Cargo Discussion Thread (Cargo Operators and Passenger Airlines Operating Cargo Only Flights)

Sun May 24, 2020 6:32 am

AirX A343 stopped off for a fuel stop at YYC while on a cagro flight from China to the Domenic Republic

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Re: COVID-19 Cargo Discussion Thread (Cargo Operators and Passenger Airlines Operating Cargo Only Flights)

Sun May 24, 2020 6:47 am

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Would using these pax widebodies on shorter routes, even without main deck carriage, make sense, specifically for the likes of big freighter operations like CX, KE, CI and the China3. eg they put the 747/777 freighters on routes to ANC then an A330/A350 brings the cargo to the lower 48 states. As it is some of those freighter routes see those 747s etc stop at sometimes two or more US destinations on a loop, so obviously they don't need the full capacity to each destination, before heading back across the pacific. Would allow higher utilization of the pure freighters where they are needed, the @4000 miles from East asia to ANC, and ?possibly lower cost moving things around the continental US. May need to do some repacking in ANC though.

I think those flights and the cargo swap would run afoul of cabotage rules. Otherwise it amounts to running a foreign mini hub in ANC.

as far north as ANC is ? It's still US Domestic as it's a State. therefore they cannot change planes unless they're leaving the US for Asia or Europe. A nd I'm not sure even then.
 
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Re: COVID-19 Cargo Discussion Thread (Cargo Operators and Passenger Airlines Operating Cargo Only Flights)

Sun May 24, 2020 6:58 am

strfyr51 wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
trex8 wrote:
Would using these pax widebodies on shorter routes, even without main deck carriage, make sense, specifically for the likes of big freighter operations like CX, KE, CI and the China3. eg they put the 747/777 freighters on routes to ANC then an A330/A350 brings the cargo to the lower 48 states. As it is some of those freighter routes see those 747s etc stop at sometimes two or more US destinations on a loop, so obviously they don't need the full capacity to each destination, before heading back across the pacific. Would allow higher utilization of the pure freighters where they are needed, the @4000 miles from East asia to ANC, and ?possibly lower cost moving things around the continental US. May need to do some repacking in ANC though.

I think those flights and the cargo swap would run afoul of cabotage rules. Otherwise it amounts to running a foreign mini hub in ANC.

as far north as ANC is ? It's still US Domestic as it's a State. therefore they cannot change planes unless they're leaving the US for Asia or Europe. A nd I'm not sure even then.

as a matter if interest? Years ago a few foreign airlines used foreign and US Crews on the same plane in an interchange type of service where the plane stayed the same from the far east to Anchorage then picked up a new USA crew, Flight number and Destination and flew into the lower 48 delivered the goods and turned back to ANC where they swapped crews, Flight numbers , and headed home. I years ago worked with an Ex Braniff Crew that told me ab and 747 out that. But that was 1979 or 1980 when they told me that story as I was then qualifying to get my 727 and 747 FE ticket
 
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Re: COVID-19 Cargo Discussion Thread (Cargo Operators and Passenger Airlines Operating Cargo Only Flights)

Sun May 24, 2020 9:54 am

British Airways 772 G-YMMK has had seats removed to turn aircraft into cargo only

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Mon May 25, 2020 1:06 pm

NYT has a photo feature today showing a few more pics of modified cargo flights:

https://www.nytimes.com./2020/05/25/bus ... e=Homepage
 
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Re: COVID-19 Cargo Discussion Thread (Cargo Operators and Passenger Airlines Operating Cargo Only Flights)

Thu May 28, 2020 4:49 am

Spicejet has removed seats from 2 Q400's and converted them into freighters

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Thu May 28, 2020 7:20 pm

Airbus' conversion has actual pallets placed on the floor, what advantage does this have compared to just placing the boxes directly on the floor (besides saving the carpet).
https://www.flightglobal.com/air-transp ... 61.article
 
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Fri May 29, 2020 4:46 pm

trex8 wrote:
Airbus' conversion has actual pallets placed on the floor, what advantage does this have compared to just placing the boxes directly on the floor (besides saving the carpet).
https://www.flightglobal.com/air-transp ... 61.article


Speed of loading. Pallets can be built on the ground and moved onto the plane. Likewise they can be removed from the plane and broken down on the ground.
 
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El Al flights from Shanghai PVG to Tel Aviv TLV? Is it bookable?

Fri May 29, 2020 8:18 pm

I was on FR24 and noticed there's almost more than daily flights from Shanghai PVG to Tel Aviv TLV. Are these flights bookable or are they simply cargo flights for PPE as its all manufactured in China?
 
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Re: El Al flights from Shanghai PVG to Tel Aviv TLV? Is it bookable?

Fri May 29, 2020 8:26 pm

Cargo. They’re brought through TLV then dispersed to other destinations.
 
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Sat May 30, 2020 12:00 am

USAirKid wrote:
trex8 wrote:
Airbus' conversion has actual pallets placed on the floor, what advantage does this have compared to just placing the boxes directly on the floor (besides saving the carpet).
https://www.flightglobal.com/air-transp ... 61.article


Speed of loading. Pallets can be built on the ground and moved onto the plane. Likewise they can be removed from the plane and broken down on the ground.

These pallets are not going to fit through the passenger door of a A350 or A330 with anything on them, I understand with a proper cargo door then pallets/containers will help. But with these passenger cabin conversions to carry cargo , is it a function of how well they can be tied down or secured to the seat rails??
 
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Re: COVID-19 Cargo Discussion Thread (Cargo Operators and Passenger Airlines Operating Cargo Only Flights)

Sat May 30, 2020 12:26 am

trex8 wrote:
USAirKid wrote:
trex8 wrote:
Airbus' conversion has actual pallets placed on the floor, what advantage does this have compared to just placing the boxes directly on the floor (besides saving the carpet).
https://www.flightglobal.com/air-transp ... 61.article


Speed of loading. Pallets can be built on the ground and moved onto the plane. Likewise they can be removed from the plane and broken down on the ground.

These pallets are not going to fit through the passenger door of a A350 or A330 with anything on them, I understand with a proper cargo door then pallets/containers will help. But with these passenger cabin conversions to carry cargo , is it a function of how well they can be tied down or secured to the seat rails??


Easier to build. Cargo guys are used to building and tying down (netting) pallets, only difference is now it’s by hand in the plane instead of with a forklift in a warehouse. Much easier than strapping down every single piece individually. I'd wager it's also easier to do weight and balance by creating individually distinguished load positions.
 
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Sat May 30, 2020 11:47 am

Aeromexico operated a cargo flight from SZX-MEX a few days ago, this also makes the longest flight to date for Aeromexico

https://aeronewsglobal.com/14-hours-34- ... t-to-date/
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Sat May 30, 2020 11:51 am

Swiss 77W HB-JNJ has been converted into a cargo freighter with all economy seats removed, seen below at ZRH after its first cargo flight from PVG

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Aeromexico: Shenzhen - Mexico City

Sun May 31, 2020 1:13 am

Currently there is a flight, AM9011 operated by XA-ADH listed on FR24, as flying from Shenzhen to Mexico City. Any idea what this flight is? A one off charter, or a new scheduled route?

It seems incredibly far for a 787-9 to fly nonstop. I recall Aeromexico had to stop in TIJ when serving Shanghai from MEX, despite Shanghai being closer.
 
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Re: Aeromexico: Shenzhen - Mexico City

Sun May 31, 2020 1:23 am

It’s a cargo flight. Aeromexico even did a PR on it: https://aeromexico.com/cms/sites/defaul ... Y_2020.pdf
 
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Sun May 31, 2020 2:12 am

Cargo flight to transport medical supplies back to Mexico. AM has been surprisingly busy with its fleet of 797s. It has operated 100 Transpacific flights transporting cargo from China with up to 8 flights crossing the Pacific at one time, not just to Mexico, but to many countries in Latin America and the Caribbean that don't have widebody capability for the transport of goods.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV0NnZkcYI0
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Re: Aeromexico: Shenzhen - Mexico City

Sun May 31, 2020 2:51 am

LatinPlane wrote:
Cargo flight to transport medical supplies back to Mexico. AM has been surprisingly busy with its fleet of 797s. It has operated 100 Transpacific flights transporting cargo from China with up to 8 flights crossing the Pacific at one time, not just to Mexico, but to many countries in Latin America and the Caribbean that don't have widebody capability for the transport of goods.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV0NnZkcYI0


Wow crazy, are they just transporting medical goods or also picking up mail and other cargo that would normally travel in the belly of commercial flights?
 
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Re: Aeromexico: Shenzhen - Mexico City

Sun May 31, 2020 3:51 am

chrisp390 wrote:
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Cargo flight to transport medical supplies back to Mexico. AM has been surprisingly busy with its fleet of 797s. It has operated 100 Transpacific flights transporting cargo from China with up to 8 flights crossing the Pacific at one time, not just to Mexico, but to many countries in Latin America and the Caribbean that don't have widebody capability for the transport of goods.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV0NnZkcYI0


Wow crazy, are they just transporting medical goods or also picking up mail and other cargo that would normally travel in the belly of commercial flights?


Strictly medical goods. The airline was awarded a contract through DHL to transport cargo between China and 10 Latin American/Caribbean countries. Due to its geographical location at MEX and because it already operates to Asia, the airline is the best positioned to transport desperately needed supplies between China and almost any point in Latin America including Brazil. This has allowed the airline to continue earning some revenue while most of its narrowbody fleet remains grounded.

The airline flies the empty 787 from MEX to NRT where it repositions to fly onward to China. There it briefly stops, mostly in Shanghai, to pick up the cargo and then flies nonstop directly to MEX. A fresh crew takes it onward to any other country in Latin America.

https://www.facebook.com/AeromexicoNA/videos/3180542335299542/?q=aeromexico&epa=SEARCH_BOX

Other airlines such as Avianca, LATAM, and Aerolineas Argentinas have also been operating charters for their respective governments to China. In the case of LATAM, these mostly first stop in Amsterdam before heading to China. AR stops in Auckland.
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Re: Aeromexico: Shenzhen - Mexico City

Sun May 31, 2020 4:52 am

LatinPlane wrote:
Cargo flight to transport medical supplies back to Mexico. AM has been surprisingly busy with its fleet of 797s. It has operated 100 Transpacific flights transporting cargo from China with up to 8 flights crossing the Pacific at one time, not just to Mexico, but to many countries in Latin America and the Caribbean that don't have widebody capability for the transport of goods.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV0NnZkcYI0


Didnt know AM was the launch customer of the NMA ;)
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Re: Aeromexico: Shenzhen - Mexico City

Sun May 31, 2020 5:05 am

LatinPlane wrote:
chrisp390 wrote:
LatinPlane wrote:
Cargo flight to transport medical supplies back to Mexico. AM has been surprisingly busy with its fleet of 797s. It has operated 100 Transpacific flights transporting cargo from China with up to 8 flights crossing the Pacific at one time, not just to Mexico, but to many countries in Latin America and the Caribbean that don't have widebody capability for the transport of goods.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV0NnZkcYI0


Wow crazy, are they just transporting medical goods or also picking up mail and other cargo that would normally travel in the belly of commercial flights?


Strictly medical goods. The airline was awarded a contract through DHL to transport cargo between China and 10 Latin American/Caribbean countries. Due to its geographical location at MEX and because it already operates to Asia, the airline is the best positioned to transport desperately needed supplies between China and almost any point in Latin America including Brazil. This has allowed the airline to continue earning some revenue while most of its narrowbody fleet remains grounded.

The airline flies the empty 787 from MEX to NRT where it repositions to fly onward to China. There it briefly stops, mostly in Shanghai, to pick up the cargo and then flies nonstop directly to MEX. A fresh crew takes it onward to any other country in Latin America.

https://www.facebook.com/AeromexicoNA/videos/3180542335299542/?q=aeromexico&epa=SEARCH_BOX

Other airlines such as Avianca, LATAM, and Aerolineas Argentinas have also been operating charters for their respective governments to China. In the case of LATAM, these mostly first stop in Amsterdam before heading to China. AR stops in Auckland.


Very interesting. Have the interior seats been removed to carry cargo there, or is it just cargo in the hold?
 
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Re: COVID-19 Cargo Discussion Thread (Cargo Operators and Passenger Airlines Operating Cargo Only Flights)

Sun May 31, 2020 9:43 am

BA has also converted G-YMMG for cargo leaving just the 12 First class seats as crew rest.

http://thebasource.com/british-airways- ... tenance-5/
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Sun May 31, 2020 8:25 pm

On June 1st, KLM increased AMS-SIN from daily to 12x weekly, the 5x flights KL829/KL830 may be cargo-only:

- AMS 22.00 - SIN 16.35 KL835 B789 Daily
- AMS 22.30 - SIN 17.15 KL829 B789/B777 Tue, Wed, Fri, Sat, Sun

- SIN 22.35 - AMS 05.40 KL830 B789/B777 Mon, Wed, Thu, Sat, Sun
- SIN 00.05 - AMS 07.00 KL836 B789 Daily

SQ operates SIN-AMS 2x daily with a cargo-only A350 and B744 Freighter.
 
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BA 777F

Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:45 pm

G-YMMG/K now flying in temporary freighter config with all seats removed from doors 2 to the rear. I think they are planning to stay like this until due in for cabin mods early next year. Mainly flying on the PEK/PVG route so far from LHR.
 
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Re: BA 777F

Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:51 pm

Any chance you could share with us the source of this info... Or is it just hearsay?
 
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Re: BA 777F

Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:57 pm

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Any chance you could share with us the source of this info... Or is it just hearsay?


https://www.aircargonews.net/airlines/b ... -capacity/
 
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Re: BA 777F

Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:59 pm

I have seen pics from inside the cabin taken at Heathrow after the first flight of MMK back from Beijing, sull of boxes of PPE stacked on the floor and covered with cargo nets. Also see pics of MMGs interior with no seats other than first class. Unable to post any of these pics, but why do you doubt this story? It had already been mentioned a few weeks ago that this was the plan. I've also been told that the flights will continue until at least the end of July, one daily each to Beijing and Shanghai, as well as still using a 777-300 on the second daily Shanghai cargo only flight. In fact I was offered the chance to operate on these flights along with some of my colleagues but chose not to.
 
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Re: COVID-19 Cargo Discussion Thread (Cargo Operators and Passenger Airlines Operating Cargo Only Flights)

Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:29 pm

Its good, we are seeing continued decline in air freight rates finally.

With so many airlines chasing cargo, the market is starting to return closer to equilibrium.


Airfreight rates continue to decline on key trades
https://www.aircargonews.net/airlines/a ... ey-trades/

Airfreight rates out of Shanghai continued on a downward trajectory last week.The latest figures from TAC Index show that average airfreight rates between Shanghai and North America last week dropped by 29.6% compared with a week earlier to $7.62 per kg.

This is the third week in a row that prices on the trade have fallen as congestion at the airport has eased and cargo capacity has reached the same level as a year earlier.

Meanwhile, on services from Shanghai to Europe, average prices also declined last week – although to a lesser extent than to North America.

TAC Index data shows that average rates on the trade were down 11.8% week on week to $8.65 per kg but are far above the $2.44 per kg average recorded last year.
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Re: Lots of PVG (Shanghai) - MEX flights everyday, medical supplies?

Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:50 pm

If I've been counting correctly, from April 7 to June 4, 2020, there have been 122 of these flights, all with 788 or 789, mostly from Shanghai PVG to MEX, and lately a few from Shenzhen SZX to MEX. That's a LOT of medical supplies, if this is all what these flights are for. I wander who's footing the bill. The Mexican media has only reported that about 10 flights have arrived, so it seems that either they don't do their homework or they are not allowed to report the magnitude of this airbridge.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2020

Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:41 am

Just a quick update on a tangential issue: the performance of the little carriers that have stepped up to bring PPE to the US (like Amazon did on one flight) and to help pick up the absence of belly space on now-idled passenger airliners for air freight generally. It has been interesting to watch, and there are clear winners and, in contrast, those with big missed opportunities. As you probably know, UPS has the prime contract with the US Government on the Air Bridge flights. These bring PPE into the US from all over the world, primarily South America (where they make lots of gloves, gowns and face shields) and Asia (where they make everything). UPS's contract calls for lots of logistics operations, including storing, stockpiling, inventorying and distributing. But first the stuff has to get here, and UPS can't do that alone. One of their biggest contracts for flying initially went to FedEx, which continues to run MD11s across the Pacific with great reliability on these flights, aircraft that otherwise were destined for parking in the downturn. And Kalitta and Atlas are humping their 747s over there at a substantial pace. DHL has also added some Pacific lift, trying to keep its position as a critical exporter from China, but the initial rush of stuff was far more than it can handle, and consolidators all over the place are pushing stuff out of Asia by other means.

More interesting than this to me, however, is how the little guys have been given a once-in-a-decade opportunity to step up and make some serious money. Even now, these flights are taking basically all the lift that is available on large widebodies. So if you are National, SkyLease or Western Global, this is your shot.

Hands Down Winning Performance: Sky Lease. Who would have thought? These guys had a reputation as a bottom-of-the-barrel Rust Corner MIA operator. My understanding is that they have a wonderful group of folks working there -- for as long as they stay because pay is often weeks late. In the last few years, they have been creative in seeking interesting business (like the Halifax-China-US flights that send fresh fish in one direction and consumer goods in the other). But they have been burned on a few contracts and they are perennially in tough times. They stopped flying their MD11s, and are down to two 747s. But what they have done with their two ratty-looking 747s has been nothing short of amazing. These are relatively-recent factory Fs with the nose door, so they are in demand now. And I don't know how a little carrier like they are has been able to do it, but these two aircraft (903AR and 904AR) have been in the air constantly for months. Except for scheduled maintenance, they are on the ground for 2-3 hours at most at each stop, and they do China nonstop from ANC direct to the pickup point and back to ANC, with no crew staging in Asia. (Others do it differently, although there is no staging by any of these carriers in China at the moment.) This requires heavy crews, and somehow they have been able to sufficiently-crew these flights with pilots with available time to keep those aircraft constantly in the air. Their utilization is insane, and the aircraft are apparently well-maintained enough to have sustained this tempo for about 3 months now. Maybe the crews just want to take every opportunity to make every possible dollar for themselves and their airline, in the hope that cash flow will catch up and things will be more normal for a while. There was an interesting article about one of their pilots who is from India, and who is a cardiothoracic surgeon at a top hospital in New York City who just loves to fly the 747, and somehow manages to do both. Weird, but kind of cool. At the end of this, maybe they will be able to afford to repaint N904AR. It's a great livery, but completely-ratty at the moment. Bravo, guys!

Solid Performance By The Hardest-Workers: National Cargo. National's crews have a reputation as very-hard workers, and they have performed well here. The aircraft (919CA and 952CA), which are conversions, have performed reliably. They also use heavy crews to minimize time in Asia, but not quite as successfully as Sky Lease. They have longer lags in many places, but they still do well. These are the guys who filmed a bald eagle circling their 747 while it was on the ground at Rickenbacker after landing with a load of PPE. They take a lot of pride in these flights, and it shows.

Missed Opportunity Award: Western Global. From their performance at Peak, you can imagine how this is going. They're running a lot of flights, and they developed a solid plan to do it with lighter crews (by crew staging in ICN and apparently ANC, and including one-or-two ICN stops on a round-trip from ANC or the CONUS). But their maintenance operation in SHV isn't getting the job done, the MD11s aren't maintained to a level that they can stand this operational tempo, and the result is that their fleet has a big portion broken for days at various points along the way. The two 747s (356KD and 344KD) have done better, but even they aren't running like either of the other two carriers above. Western Global has a fleet of 16 aircraft. 3 747s (2 active, the 3rd they're trying at SHV to make flyable (497MC)). 13 MD11s (including one they've been working on for a year at SHV (804SN). one they pulled from the desert at the beginning of this (435KD), and 11 others). Of the 11 aircraft that I guess we would call the active MD11 fleet, they currently have five on the ground, some for as much as 8 days. One at SHV (546JN), two at SDF (nothing like breaking at your employer's hub) (543JN and 415JN), two at ANC (581JN and 411SN). They likely have the current monthly record for air-returns to ANC. 411SN just made one today. And this one-half-of-the-fleet-broken situation is actually a bit better than it has been along the way. At least they're not carrying perishables. Kalitta used to do their maintenance, before they opened their shop at SHV with much fanfare. Okay... And there in SDF, there's a little carrier that knows something about working on MD11s and keeping them running reliably. But there's that "let's do it ourselves" impulse by their leadership, and this is the result. I'm thinking that whatever they saved by their maintenance approach, they have lost in potential revenue from an inability to take loads. I would say something about lost reputation, but I think UPS knew all too well what it was likely to be getting, given their past experience with Western Global. Like Joe Pesci says in Casino: "It should have been so sweet, too. [...] But in the end, we f---- it all up."
 
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Re: COVID-19 Cargo Discussion Thread (Cargo Operators and Passenger Airlines Operating Cargo Only Flights)

Sun Jun 07, 2020 6:06 pm

I did a little more research and thinking about my post above overnight. I think National's utilization over the period, which is still very high, suffers a bit from the fact that they still get called on military flights, which is a big part of their business during normal times. Those necessarily involve a fair amount of sitting, as the military wants the aircraft there fairly well in advance. Other than that, they basically take the same approach as Sky Lease in heading to Asia on PPE flights: heavy pilot crew, ride-along mechanic from ANC-ANC, and loadmaster. No additional stops in Asia outside of China to change crews. And when each 747 went to MCO in the middle of all of this for scheduled maintenance, their contractor got them in and out in just a couple of days. I didn't mean to suggest that they weren't doing a remarkable job and taking full advantage of the current situation: they are.

Besides a little-better utilization, Sky Lease pulls into first place in my list because their excellent performance was, at least to me, so freakin' unexpected! Now let's hope their owner pays everybody current and uses this performance as a springboard to a brighter future. No question they're going to have higher labor cost for these flights than would be the norm, and perhaps other charges depending upon the nature of their lease (e.g. PBTH vs. dry), but the extremely-high aircraft utilization over the period has to at least clean up their cash flow once payments start rolling in.
 
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Re: COVID-19 Cargo Discussion Thread (Cargo Operators and Passenger Airlines Operating Cargo Only Flights)

Sun Jun 07, 2020 7:21 pm

China sending freighters to Venezuela:

- 05 Jun 2020 Y8 7453 PVG - AMS B747-400F Suparna Airlines B-1340
- 06 Jun 2020 Y8 7470 AMS - CCS B747-400F Suparna Airlines B-1340
- 07 June 2020 Y8 7471 CCS - AMS B747-400F Suparna Airlines B-1340
- 08 June 2020 Y8 7454 AMS - PVG B747-400F Suparna Airlines B-1340

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/b-1340
 
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Re: COVID-19 Cargo Discussion Thread (Cargo Operators and Passenger Airlines Operating Cargo Only Flights)

Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:06 am

factsonly wrote:
China sending freighters to Venezuela:

- 05 Jun 2020 Y8 7453 PVG - AMS B747-400F Suparna Airlines B-1340
- 06 Jun 2020 Y8 7470 AMS - CCS B747-400F Suparna Airlines B-1340
- 07 June 2020 Y8 7471 CCS - AMS B747-400F Suparna Airlines B-1340
- 08 June 2020 Y8 7454 AMS - PVG B747-400F Suparna Airlines B-1340

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/b-1340


That's one round-trip. Maybe relief supplies?
 
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Re: COVID-19 Cargo Discussion Thread (Cargo Operators and Passenger Airlines Operating Cargo Only Flights)

Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:16 am

Between this thread and Amazon Fleet, these are two of the best topics going right now. Thanks to everyone who has posted
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Odd flight: GUM-LAX n/s, UA 2797. Anyone with insight shed any details? Currently airborne

Mon Jun 08, 2020 5:33 am

Hey,

Was playing on flightradar24 as I do & found this normal flight number range aircraft aloft, I'm now curious as to it's one off nature, Thanks in advance>

https://www.flightradar24.com/UAL2797/24a6cde2

Boeing 777-322ER reg-N2333U
707 717 720 727-1/2 737-1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9 747-1/2/3/4 757-2/3 767-2/3/4 777-2/3 DC8 DC9 MD80/2/7/8 D10-1/3/4 M11 L10-1/2/5 A300/310/320
AA AC AQ AS BA BD BN CO CS DL EA EZ HA HG HP KL KN MP MW NK NW OZ PA PS QX RC RH RW SA TG TW UA US VS WA WC WN WP YS 8M
 
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Re: Odd flight: GUM-LAX n/s, UA 2797. Anyone with insight shed any details? Currently airborne

Mon Jun 08, 2020 5:38 am

Cargo ops? Using GUM as a stopover before for LAX-PVG-LAX to switch crew?
 
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Re: Odd flight: GUM-LAX n/s, UA 2797. Anyone with insight shed any details? Currently airborne

Mon Jun 08, 2020 5:39 am

2797 is a cargo flight.
 
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Re: Odd flight: GUM-LAX n/s, UA 2797. Anyone with insight shed any details? Currently airborne

Mon Jun 08, 2020 5:41 am

UA has been flying LAX-GUM-LAX and SFO-GUM-SFO for at least a month now or so. Cargo flights...mostly military related as I understand it
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