AB330 wrote:

"The research also reveals that almost 50 percent of the travelers bound to the Philippines from the US depart from the airports in California and New York, while the least departures are from the District of Columbia and Alaska."

It is a bit ironic that it took a pandemic to bring stateside flights to CEB, DVO and CRK.

AB330 wrote:

And can PAL rebuild its long-haul fleet earlier then 2025

Fingers crossed...they won't need as many planes as before.

AB330 wrote:

Guess will have to wait and see the next couple of years

The one thing which could help it move forward is the strategy OEMs would adopt to invigorate the market. Local airlines are hurting badly as it is.....

https://manilastandard.net/business/tra ... llion.html



Meanwhile, a photo in SkyscraperCity - shows the foundation of the new CRK control tower targeted for completion in April next year. Guess they will have to adjust the schedule.....

posted by: @mnemonick

https://www.skyscrapercity.com/cdn-cgi/ ... g.2326518/


From the same online forum, a few more photos of BIA at the start of revenue flight ops into the airport.....

source: @DOT-Bicol | Myra Baranda

https://scontent.fmnl4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=61A98C1D



https://scontent.fmnl4-5.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=61A9403C



https://scontent.fmnl4-5.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=61AA1E1F



https://scontent.fmnl4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=61AB0A9F



https://scontent.fmnl4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=61AB0D7E

posted by: @tracker57

Devilfish wrote:

AB330 wrote:

"The research also reveals that almost 50 percent of the travelers bound to the Philippines from the US depart from the airports in California and New York, while the least departures are from the District of Columbia and Alaska."

It is a bit ironic that it took a pandemic to bring stateside flights to CEB, DVO and CRK.

AB330 wrote:

And can PAL rebuild its long-haul fleet earlier then 2025

Fingers crossed...they won't need as many planes as before.

Agreed there Pre-pandemic fleet was quite in balance IMHO 6 Airbus A350 and 10 Boeing 777. As for rebuilding there long-haul fleet I think PAL should acquire more A350-900 to replace those aircraft that are returned at less 3 more for a total of 6 while converting the remaining 3 to the larger A350-1000 as a replacement for the remaining Boeing 777 in the late-2020 and adding 3 either through new leasing or direct purchase for a total of 6 which gives PAL 12 A350 ( 6 A350 & 6 A351).

Aside from MNL I think Clark and Cebu could also support long-haul flights. Especially CEB due to its geographical centralized location while CRK as an alternative to the congested NAIA. DVO though is kind of a disadvantage when geography the only connection opportunities I can see is south towards Indonesia and Australia. Though currently its benefiting due to LGU quarantine requirements for inbound pax.

From the A330neo P&D thread, 5J's first A339 just had its fifth test flight.....

https://aibfamily.flights/A330/2001

Looks like neither pandemic nor high debt is going to stop this delivery (#2 hot on its heels).....



http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... -loss.html



A sunny departure video from LGP to MNL gives viewers a virtual tour inside the new BIA terminal and a magnificent view across the tarmac -- from SkyscraperCity.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vfne9lfFBhE&t=45s

posted by: @tracker57


Pax bussed at the MNL end. Just a heads up -- pa-kyut overload. Wish there was a local (PR?) A320N version of the tail in #383 to land there -- for the Oragons!

The way things are looking, LIPAD might yet be able to cater to international flights at CRK T2 by the holidays... ...from SkyscraperCity.....

source: @Jam Aquino Regala ----- posted by: @Sisigboy


https://www.skyscrapercity.com/cdn-cgi/ ... g.2342089/



https://www.skyscrapercity.com/cdn-cgi/ ... g.2342088/

That is, if they wouldn't mind the paucity of incoming passengers. Maybe they could increase that number by tapping domestic travelers as well? LIPAD may just have to bus them to T1 for quarantine screening.

Or perhaps not.....

posted by: @Sisigboy

https://www.skyscrapercity.com/cdn-cgi/ ... g.2346790/

Updating from reply #393:

Selected highlights from PAL Winter Timetable update from November 12:

International
BKK-MNL stops in TAG from 17-24 November
MNL-BKK v.v. 2nd weekly flight brought forward to 28 November from 5 December, 3rd weekly flight scheduled throughout December only, then returns on 4 February 2022
DXB-MNL to stop in CEB/SFS/DVO on select dates
MNL-GUM v.v. goes 5x weekly from 3 December
MNL-HKG v.v. adjusted to 4x weekly beginning from 5 Dec, 1x daily by 1 January 2022
MNL-KUL v.v. 2nd weekly flight brought forward to 23 November, additional 3rd weekly on 2/9 December
MNL-TPE v.v. 4th weekly flight pushed to 2 February 22, 3rd weekly still begins 26 Nov

Domestic
DVO-TAG resumes 29 November, 2x weekly
MNL-CGY v.v. 4x daily brought forward to 16 November from 1 December
MNL-GES v.v. service adjustments, 5x weekly from 17 Nov, 1x daily from 5 Dec

Philippine747 wrote:

International
BKK-MNL stops in TAG from 17-24 November

Why one week only? This would be a welcome route for European travellers to Bohol, not having to go via Manila. Not many connections to justify the "International" in the TAG airport name....

Lingon wrote:

Philippine747 wrote:

International
BKK-MNL stops in TAG from 17-24 November

Why one week only? This would be a welcome route for European travellers to Bohol, not having to go via Manila. Not many connections to justify the "International" in the TAG airport name....

These stops are to get around arrival processing capacity limitations in Manila, as I hear the cap is 2,000 pax/day shared by all airlines operating international flights inbound MNL. (Correct me if I'm using a wrong figure)

https://www.philippineairlines.com/Abou ... gfilipinos

From another trend VN is planning to launching direct flights between SGN and SFO 11/29/21 using a B787-9. With China mostly close and CX unable to used HKG as a hub it seem like direct flight will dominate the transpacific network for the time being. Until restrictions in East Asia are relax which allows conneting passengers again.

VN officially launches non-stop SGN-SFO scheduled service using B787-9
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1467025

Philippine747 wrote:

These stops are to get around arrival processing capacity limitations in Manila, as I hear the cap is 2,000 pax/day shared by all airlines operating international flights inbound MNL.

TAG added to the list of airports accepting international flights to help in this regard.....

https://www.philstar.com/nation/2021/11 ... al-gateway

It's just amusing that they use unrelated photos to accompany such reports.

https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2021 ... -countries
https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2021 ... s-soon-dot



Meanwhile, here's a YouTube video showing the progress of work for the MCRP project at CRK.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj-zqhfZCn0

Philippine747 wrote:

Devilfish wrote:

AB330 wrote:

Its possible PR will be reviving 5th Freedom flight between JFK and YVR with the B77W.

Just to clarify...didn't PR lose the entitlement when they chose to fly nonstop to JFK

Philippine747 wrote:

Winter Timetable has finally rolled over worldwide.

AB330 wrote:

Its new business plan includes more flights to China, and South Asia, boost in US West Coast flights, and possible exit from unprofitable markets of New York, Toronto, and London Heathrow."[/i]

Devilfish wrote:

.

RoyalBrunei757 wrote:

Toronto, New York and London flights will be cut from the PAL network.
.

1. So, will non-stop flights from MNL to JFK (New York) continue or be discontinued. If the latter, by when will it be discontinued, at the earliest?

2. What's the probability that the non-stop flights from MNL to JFK (New York) and visa versa will occur in Jan 2022 (and won't be discontinued)?

3. Philippine Airlines January 2022 schedule is strange. JFK to Manila is 3 days a week but Manila to JFK is 7 days a week. How could this possibly happen? You can check out what I am saying by trying to go through the steps of booking on the PAL web site.

4. If PAL gave back A350s, how did it increase its MNL-JFK flights from 2X to 3X week in Nov? Does it have aircraft to even theoretically operate 7X weekly (daily flights)?

5. Yesterday, the airline trade association had asked the Government to increase the 4,000 daily passenger cap for international arrivals at Manila airport? How long do you think the Philippines Government will take to act on it?

6. In Dec 2021, PAL flies 3X weekly on the JFK- MNL sector. How likely is it to increase in Jan 2022?

7. A JFK - MNL round trip in Jan 2022 costs approximately $2,000. How likely is it to come down? Presumably, the government may increase the cap of passengers arriving at MNL, which could translate to more flights and lower fares.

8. Does PAL have aircraft to do 7X weekly JFK-MNL?

Thanks in advance.

AB330 wrote:

VN officially launches non-stop SGN-SFO scheduled service using B787-9
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1467025

Pre-COVID, PAL was the biggest transpacific airline from Southeast Asia!

That is why they were investing on connecting flights eg China, Indon paxs travelling to North America.

Closely was Singapore Airlines.

https://centreforaviation.com/analysis/ ... ion-303022

Rerouting of international arrivals to secondary airports to continue...

https://www.facebook.com/15157638186635 ... 84217/?d=n

edealinfo wrote:

Philippine747 wrote:

Devilfish wrote:

Just to clarify...didn't PR lose the entitlement when they chose to fly nonstop to JFK

Philippine747 wrote:

Winter Timetable has finally rolled over worldwide.

AB330 wrote:

Its new business plan includes more flights to China, and South Asia, boost in US West Coast flights, and possible exit from unprofitable markets of New York, Toronto, and London Heathrow."[/i]

Devilfish wrote:

.

RoyalBrunei757 wrote:

Toronto, New York and London flights will be cut from the PAL network.
.

1. So, will non-stop flights from MNL to JFK (New York) continue or be discontinued. If the latter, by when will it be discontinued, at the earliest?

2. What's the probability that the non-stop flights from MNL to JFK (New York) and visa versa will occur in Jan 2022 (and won't be discontinued)?

3. Philippine Airlines January 2022 schedule is strange. JFK to Manila is 3 days a week but Manila to JFK is 7 days a week. How could this possibly happen? You can check out what I am saying by trying to go through the steps of booking on the PAL web site.

4. If PAL gave back A350s, how did it increase its MNL-JFK flights from 2X to 3X week in Nov? Does it have aircraft to even theoretically operate 7X weekly (daily flights)?

5. Yesterday, the airline trade association had asked the Government to increase the 4,000 daily passenger cap for international arrivals at Manila airport? How long do you think the Philippines Government will take to act on it?

6. In Dec 2021, PAL flies 3X weekly on the JFK- MNL sector. How likely is it to increase in Jan 2022?

7. A JFK - MNL round trip in Jan 2022 costs approximately $2,000. How likely is it to come down? Presumably, the government may increase the cap of passengers arriving at MNL, which could translate to more flights and lower fares.

8. Does PAL have aircraft to do 7X weekly JFK-MNL?

Thanks in advance.

1.) Scheduled until at least 25 March 2022 (Manila departure). Keep an eye out for future timetable updates, as some destinations only have information until 25/26 March 2022. This does not always mean the route will end!
2.) See 1. Unless something bad happens, it seems very likely to continue.
3.) Probably a loading error, timetable shows 3x weekly.
4.) YYZ and LHR have had massive cuts in service, freeing up the A350s.
5.) No clue...
6.) IMO, if more 777s come back online, it can increase should demand allow. A350s are operating some flights to YVR/SFO/LAX.
7.) If the passenger cap is increased, fares may go down.
8.) Theoretically possible

Hope I was able to answer your questions!

Q. So, will non-stop flights from MNL to JFK (New York) continue or be discontinued. If the latter, by when will it be discontinued, at the earliest?
A. Scheduled until at least 25 March 2022 (Manila departure). Keep an eye out for future timetable updates, as some destinations only have information until 25/26 March 2022. This does not always mean the route will end!

Q. What's the probability that the non-stop flights from MNL to JFK (New York) and visa versa will occur in Jan 2022 (and won't be discontinued)?
A. See above answer. Unless something bad happens, it seems very likely to continue.

Q. Philippine Airlines January 2022 schedule is strange. JFK to Manila is 3 days a week but Manila to JFK is 7 days a week. How could this possibly happen? You can check out what I am saying by trying to go through the steps of booking on the PAL web site.
A. Probably a loading error, timetable shows 3x weekly.

4. If PAL gave back A350s, how did it increase its MNL-JFK flights from 2X to 3X week in Nov? Does it have aircraft to even theoretically operate 7X weekly (daily flights)?
A. YYZ and LHR have had massive cuts in service, freeing up the A350s.

Q. Yesterday, the airline trade association had asked the Government to increase the 4,000 daily passenger cap for international arrivals at Manila airport? How long do you think the Philippines Government will take to act on it?
A. No clue...

6. In Dec 2021, PAL flies 3X weekly on the JFK- MNL sector. How likely is it to increase in Jan 2022?
A. IMO, if more 777s come back online, it can increase should demand allow. A350s are operating some flights to YVR/SFO/LAX.

7. A JFK - MNL round trip in Jan 2022 costs approximately $2,000. How likely is it to come down? Presumably, the government may increase the cap of passengers arriving at MNL, which could translate to more flights and lower fares.
A. If the passenger cap is increased, fares may go down.

8. Does PAL have aircraft to do 7X weekly JFK-MNL?
A. Theoretically possible

Philippine747 wrote:

Hope I was able to answer your questions![/quote]

Yes, you did Philippine747. This is indeed very helpful. Many, many thanks!

AB330 wrote:

From another trend VN is planning to launching direct flights between SGN and SFO 11/29/21 using a B787-9. With China mostly close and CX unable to used HKG as a hub it seem like direct flight will dominate the transpacific network for the time being. Until restrictions in East Asia are relax which allows conneting passengers again.

VN officially launches non-stop SGN-SFO scheduled service using B787-9
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1467025

If flying from the Philippines to the US/Canada, wouldn't it be backtracking via Vietnam? The ones that do NOT include a backtrack are Japan, Hong Kong, Taiwan and South Korea.

Philippine747 wrote:

These stops are to get around arrival processing capacity limitations in Manila, as I hear the cap is 2,000 pax/day shared by all airlines operating international flights inbound MNL. (Correct me if I'm using a wrong figure) https://www.philippineairlines.com/Abou ... gfilipinos

Per the article and other reports online, the MNL daily cap was recently raised in November from 2,000 to 4,000. The Philippine airline trade association, has asked for the cap NOT to be applied to passengers from green-list countries and to raise the 4,000 cap to 10,000 for those from yellow-list countries. This seems reasonable to me but it's the Government they have to convince.
https://www.manilatimes.net/2021/11/22/ ... ts/1823154

QUESTIONS:
1. The vaccine cards in the US do not have QR codes. Will this be an issue when presenting it on arrival at Manila?
2. Is there a specified list of quarantine hotels? How do I know if a hotel is specified as one? Do these hotels perform the COVID test on-site? Is there a web site that specializes in quarantine hotel bookings?

Thanks.

Lingon wrote:

Philippine747 wrote:

International BKK-MNL stops in TAG from 17-24 November

Why one week only? This would be a welcome route for European travellers to Bohol, not having to go via Manila. Not many connections to justify the "International" in the TAG airport name....

Easy answer. There is 4,000 pax cap on international flights to Manila. Overall capacity has to be managed within the cap.

Bobby27ph wrote:

AB330 wrote:

VN officially launches non-stop SGN-SFO scheduled service using B787-9
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1467025

Pre-COVID, PAL was the biggest transpacific airline from Southeast Asia!

That is why they were investing on connecting flights eg China, Indon paxs travelling to North America.

Closely was Singapore Airlines.

https://centreforaviation.com/analysis/ ... ion-303022

This article is 5 years old already. Also dosen't take into account the Pandemic which will probably change passenger demand for both the short and medium term.

I'd like to see a more recent projection after the pandemic and additional factor such as a merger between KE and QZ, Starlux launching transpacific flights to North America and the closers of China to international travelers will shape the industry in the next year to 2023?

https://www.bworldonline.com/pal-eyes-m ... -holidays/

Is the link in the above article talking about PAL adding capacity beyond the 4,000 allowed to manila? And by the way, even if yes, doesn't it take at least a month to start additional flights (lead time). Or does PAL have the capability to introduce long haul by snapping its fingers?

AB330 wrote:

This article is 5 years old already. Also dosen't take into account the Pandemic which will probably change passenger demand for both the short and medium term.

I'd like to see a more recent projection after the pandemic and additional factor such as a merger between KE and QZ, Starlux launching transpacific flights to North America and the closers of China to international travelers will shape the industry in the next year to 2023?

Recent projection?? Shortterm?? For what purpose?
You’re doing market analysis as job? Why make things difficult?

I work in the airline, we don’t focus on shortterm much... we want things to be easier for us, not to make things more complex.

Shortterm plan has to be related to the longterm plan of making the company profitable again eg by knowing the lucrative routes.

Updating from Reply no. 406:

PAL has released another timetable update yesterday (22 November). Highlights include route resumptions and service adjustments.

DVO-ILO v.v. resumes 8 December, 1x weekly
ILO-GES v.v. resumes 7 December, 1x weekly. Aircraft originates from ILO compared to GES in the past.
CEB-BXU v.v. 4x weekly from 1 December, 1x daily by January 2
CEB-CGY v.v. 7x weekly from 1 December
CEB-ZAM v.v. increases to 2x weekly from 4 December, 3x weekly from 7 January 222
ZAM-TWT v.v. adjusted to 2x weekly from 4 December, 4x weekly from 5 January

International
MNL-JFK v.v. still scheduled until 25 March 2022
No changes to scheduled MNL-LHR flights, however ACL still shows PAL holding slots at LHR for Summer 2022

Philippine747 wrote:

Updating from Reply no. 406:

PAL has released another timetable update yesterday (22 November). Highlights include route resumptions and service adjustments.

DVO-ILO v.v. resumes 8 December, 1x weekly
ILO-GES v.v. resumes 7 December, 1x weekly. Aircraft originates from ILO compared to GES in the past.

Will probably using a Dash 8-Q400 from either DVO or CEB. Though I think the latter is more likely. As for the coming years and months I won't be surprised if PAL will either continue with the DH8 from ILO while increasing the frequency eventually to daily at some point. Or will again originates from GES once more using an A320 from CEB like with 4 times weekly frequently Pre-COVID.

1,) When will 5J resume flights from ILO using A320?

2,) Will 2P base A320 at MCIA again? A minimum of 2-3 will be need to operate not only GES. But other routes like DVO and PPS for domestic and KLO to ICN via CEB, along with other international flight to China from MCIA

Cebu Pacific A330neo to arrive in Manila this weekend

Philippine747 wrote:

Q. Philippine Airlines January 2022 schedule is strange. JFK to Manila is 3 days a week but Manila to JFK is 7 days a week. How could this possibly happen? You can check out what I am saying by trying to go through the steps of booking on the PAL web site.
A. Probably a loading error, timetable shows 3x weekly.

[/quote]

link to referenced timetable? thanks

edealinfo wrote:

Philippine747 wrote:

Q. Philippine Airlines January 2022 schedule is strange. JFK to Manila is 3 days a week but Manila to JFK is 7 days a week. How could this possibly happen? You can check out what I am saying by trying to go through the steps of booking on the PAL web site.
A. Probably a loading error, timetable shows 3x weekly.

link to referenced timetable? thanks[/quote]

Here you go!

https://www.philippineairlines.com/en/p ... tTimetable

AB330 wrote:

Philippine747 wrote:

Updating from Reply no. 406:

PAL has released another timetable update yesterday (22 November). Highlights include route resumptions and service adjustments.

DVO-ILO v.v. resumes 8 December, 1x weekly
ILO-GES v.v. resumes 7 December, 1x weekly. Aircraft originates from ILO compared to GES in the past.

Will probably using a Dash 8-Q400 from either DVO or CEB. Though I think the latter is more likely. As for the coming years and months I won't be surprised if PAL will either continue with the DH8 from ILO while increasing the frequency eventually to daily at some point. Or will again originates from GES once more using an A320 from CEB like with 4 times weekly frequently Pre-COVID.

1,) When will 5J resume flights from ILO using A320?

2,) Will 2P base A320 at MCIA again? A minimum of 2-3 will be need to operate not only GES. But other routes like DVO and PPS for domestic and KLO to ICN via CEB, along with other international flight to China from MCIA

ILO-GES v.v. looks to be operated by a CEB-based Q400. CEB-ILO v.v. will be resuming 1x weekly on 7 December, along with ILO-GES. The schedules match up. Thanks, I missed that route resumption too!

Another observation that I found was that for the Davao flights, it appears to be a Cebu-based aircraft too. PR2364 on DVO-CEB operating 3x weekly morning flight right now will become an 2x weekly afternoon flight on 29 Nov, which perfectly matches with the DVO-TAG v.v. resumption. The third sector will become an afternoon flight on 8 December, matching with the DVO-ILO v.v. resumption. date.

For Question no. 2, does not appear likely in the next few months. However, one PALex operated daily flight on MNL-CEB-MNL is scheduled from 1 December-UFN. The Cebu international network is still very skeletal, with Mainline service resuming in January to Narita.

Philippine747 wrote:

PAL has released another timetable update yesterday (22 November). Highlights include route resumptions and service adjustments.

DVO-ILO v.v. resumes 8 December, 1x weekly
ILO-GES v.v. resumes 7 December, 1x weekly. Aircraft originates from ILO compared to GES in the past.

Will probably using a Dash 8-Q400 from either DVO or CEB. Though I think the latter is more likely. As for the coming years and months I won't be surprised if PAL will either continue with the DH8 from ILO while increasing the frequency eventually to daily at some point. Or will again originates from GES once more using an A320 from CEB like with 4 times weekly frequently Pre-COVID.

1,) When will 5J resume flights from ILO using A320?

2,) Will 2P base A320 at MCIA again? A minimum of 2-3 will be need to operate not only GES. But other routes like DVO and PPS for domestic and KLO to ICN via CEB, along with other international flight to China from MCIA[/quote]

ILO-GES v.v. looks to be operated by a CEB-based Q400. CEB-ILO v.v. will be resuming 1x weekly on 7 December, along with ILO-GES. The schedules match up. Thanks, I missed that route resumption too!

Another observation that I found was that for the Davao flights, it appears to be a Cebu-based aircraft too. PR2364 on DVO-CEB operating 3x weekly morning flight right now will become an 2x weekly afternoon flight on 29 Nov, which perfectly matches with the DVO-TAG v.v. resumption. The third sector will become an afternoon flight on 8 December, matching with the DVO-ILO v.v. resumption. date.

For Question no. 2, does not appear likely in the next few months. However, one PALex operated daily flight on MNL-CEB-MNL is scheduled from 1 December-UFN. The Cebu international network is still very skeletal, with Mainline service resuming in January to Narita.[/quote]

Thanks for clarifying!

Assuming demand recover as fast as in the US and Europe. It possible PAL may forward the delivery of some of there A321neo to 2024 onwards instead of 2026 which will be depend on the A321ceo being gradually returned. Now that PAL has sold there A320ceo I think this will leave a capacity gap between the Dash 8-Q400 and the A321.

It would be shortsighted not to order a 1:1 replacement for the A320ceo so its possible they will either lease them like what CEB did with there A320neo or will acquire NTU frames possibly through lessors. Though it will depend on demand and the shape of recovery next year to 2023.

Enroute 5J first A330neo RP-C3900

https://www.instagram.com/p/CWx1bfuMmcI ... =copy_link

Some fleet movement this week November 28, 2021:
Airbus A320 -214 4870 N Allegiant Air delivery 25-26nov21 CAN-MNL-GUM-HNL-ONT, RP-reg ex RP-C3266
Airbus A330 -343 1559 RP-C8765 Philippine Airlines ferried 27nov21 MNL-HNL-MZJ on return to lessor ex F-WWYQ
Airbus A330 -941 2001 RP-C3900 Cebu Pacific Air delivery 27nov21 TLS-MNL ex F-WWKP
Airbus A350 -941 243 D-AAEU Lufthansa Technik ferried 25nov21 MLA-MUC, for Lufthansa as D-AIVC ex RP-C3506
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=1

Hey,
Can you tell me what's going on with MNL-JFK and MNL-JFK. The past few days flights were cancelled or delayed like 8 hrs. What the heck is going on? Looks like 1Nove 26 flight was cancelled. And today, there are 2 arrivals into JFK. Also, if one is required to get a RT_PCR test 72 hour window before departure and the airline delays the flight, and you are now out of that window, will the airline concede on teh 72 hrs or whill you be denied boarding?

https://www.planemapper.com/flights/PR126
https://www.planemapper.com/flights/PR127

RoyalBrunei757 wrote:

Some fleet movement this week November 28, 2021:
Airbus A320 -214 4870 N Allegiant Air delivery 25-26nov21 CAN-MNL-GUM-HNL-ONT, RP-reg ex RP-C3266
Airbus A330 -343 1559 RP-C8765 Philippine Airlines ferried 27nov21 MNL-HNL-MZJ on return to lessor ex F-WWYQ
Airbus A330 -941 2001 RP-C3900 Cebu Pacific Air delivery 27nov21 TLS-MNL ex F-WWKP
Airbus A350 -941 243 D-AAEU Lufthansa Technik ferried 25nov21 MLA-MUC, for Lufthansa as D-AIVC ex RP-C3506
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=1

I'm starting to see a clear picture now!

It looks like PAL will be keeping most of there Boeing 777 as of recently there now seven flying again (7777, 7776, 7773, 7772, 7778, 7779 and 7782).

Along with three A350's (3501, 3504 and 3508), that gives PAL 10 long-haul aircraft which should be enough to maintain daily frequency for LAX and SFO which are the most important destinations.

It seem PAL will be keeping most of the Triple sevens if not all of them a similar approach to LATAM. To be fair though they where in the process of refurbishing there interiors and when the Pandemic hit they where almost complete. Meanwhile PAL only have 4 Triple sevens that have new interiors and IFE systems while the remainder are in need of refurbishment. But I doubt that will happend unless there is a rebound in demand which is possible next year if that is the case then refurbishment will follow in 2023. If demand starts to recover in late-2022 then it will be pushback to 2024.

I could see them going for the same seats as with the newer B777 or maybe A350? May finally added PECY cabin with 24 seats. I don't expect much to changed for ECY will probably retain the existing configuration with newer IFE system.

Of course all of this are speculation and depend on $$$

https://twitter.com/Airbus/status/1465154267782651905

Cebu Pacific's new A330-941 has 459 (!!) seats in single class configuration, one seat short of their target. Seriously not for faint-hearted/cluster-phobic people.

I wonder how did they managed to squeeze in another 23 seats compared to their current 436 in A330-334ceo??

As a reference point, Lion Air Group's A330-343ceos are either 440 or C18/Y374. A330-941neo has a combination for Y436 and Y440

AB330 wrote:

Along with three A350's (3501, 3504 and 3508), that gives PAL 10 long-haul aircraft which should be enough to maintain daily frequency for LAX and SFO which are the most important destinations.

It seem PAL will be keeping most of the Triple sevens if not all of them a similar approach to LATAM. To be fair though they where in the process of refurbishing there interiors and when the Pandemic hit they where almost complete. Meanwhile PAL only have 4 Triple sevens that have new interiors and IFE systems while the remainder are in need of refurbishment. But I doubt that will happend unless there is a rebound in demand which is possible next year if that is the case then refurbishment will follow in 2023. If demand starts to recover in late-2022 then it will be pushback to 2024.

I could see them going for the same seats as with the newer B777 or maybe A350? May finally added PECY cabin with 24 seats. I don't expect much to changed for ECY will probably retain the existing configuration with newer IFE system.

Of course all of this are speculation and depend on $$$

From another fourm it gave an even clearer picture of PAL A350 it also make explain why they went to LH.

The A350s should come back soon. In a similar fashion the A330/340s did in the 90s. They just have a new home for the time being. Its leasing arrangement is peculiar too. It so happen that its maintenance provider is its owner for now flying for its mother company. I don't know if this is PAL subleasing to Lufthansa or PAL assigning rights to Lufthansa Tecknik AG and leasing it to DLH. The idea being the latter pays for its rent while PAL don't use it. Its like buying a condo from the bank and lease it to others while you go back to your mother's house. That way you still owns the condo after the lease, instead of foreclosing it from the bank because of your inability to pay. It always is a win-win situation. If you find someone willing to use it.

I am reminded of a similar arrangement almost 60 years ago when KLM got DC-8 from PAL. The plane did returned four years later and flew for PAL until its retirement in 1986.

This could also mean that future plans to converted the options into A350-1000 is inteact albeit at a latter date.

AB330 wrote:

Enroute 5J first A330neo RP-C3900

Photo by member KSA of 5J's first A339 landing at MNL.....


http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... 00neo.html

DXB is slated for its inaugural revenue flight. It really needs those big engines to lift 459 pax and their baggage!

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=MNL-DXB&DU=nm

AB330 wrote:

This could also mean that future plans to converted the options into A350-1000 is inteact albeit at a latter date.

That depends heavily on how quick PR's financial recovery and how robust inbound/outbound traffic demand for the country would be. Omicron could be the big spoiler whether those options wouldn't be expired yet by that time.

Devilfish wrote:

AB330 wrote:

This could also mean that future plans to converted the options into A350-1000 is inteact albeit at a latter date.

That depends heavily on how quick PR's financial recovery and how robust inbound/outbound traffic demand for the country would be. Omicron could be the big spoiler whether those options wouldn't be expired yet by that time.

From what I've read on other sources it has been extended till 2030 and its unlimited. It seem originally a decision was to be made by 2026 on to converted the options from the A350-900 to the larger A350-1000. But COVID happend and plans have changed there remains uncertainty when will passenger demand return particularly for long-haul travel I do expect an increased demand for more direct flights in the future though.

As mentioned previously flexability is important in these uncertain times.

On December 5th, 2021 KLM celebrates 70 years of continuous operations to the Philippines.

KLM launched service to MNL on December 5th, 1951, when MNL became an en-route stop on its Lockheed Constellation service from AMS to TYO.

The airline remains the sole European carrier operating to MNL today, this is due to its strong position in transporting maritime crews to Europe's largest port at Rotterdam.

Some fleet movement this week December 2, 2021:
Airbus A320-271N 10663 RP-C4130 Cebu Pacific Air delivery 30nov-01dec21TLS-MCT-MNL ex F-WWDX
Airbus A330-343 1482 2-CPRO BBAM Aircraft Leasing ferried 30 Nov 2021 ASP-SIN, ex RP-C8786
Airbus A330-343 1559 RP-C8765 Philippine Airlines ferried 27 Nov 2021 MNL-HNL-MZJ on return to lessor, ex F-WWYQ
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=2

factsonly wrote:

On December 5th, 2021 KLM celebrates 70 years of continuous operations to the Philippines.

KLM launched service to MNL on December 5th, 1951, when MNL became an en-route stop on its Lockheed Constellation service from AMS to TYO.

The airline remains the sole European carrier operating to MNL today, this is due to its strong position in transporting maritime crews to Europe's largest port at Rotterdam.

I like forum members sharing facts eg links, photos.

When someone posts nothing but speculation, opinion, projection etc, this forum becomes mIRC. Other members learn nothing.

In Aviation, being factual is important. Be it in reports or verbal comm.

Good job, facts only!

RoyalBrunei757 wrote:

Some fleet movement this week December 2, 2021:
Airbus A320-271N 10663 RP-C4130 Cebu Pacific Air delivery 30nov-01dec21TLS-MCT-MNL ex F-WWDX
Airbus A330-343 1482 2-CPRO BBAM Aircraft Leasing ferried 30 Nov 2021 ASP-SIN, ex RP-C8786
Airbus A330-343 1559 RP-C8765 Philippine Airlines ferried 27 Nov 2021 MNL-HNL-MZJ on return to lessor, ex F-WWYQ
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=2

RP-C8785 is in the process of being Re-registered at Allice Spring.

Also 2 more A330-300 will be keep on long term storage in the US.

All lease A330-300 where to expired between 2021 to 2024. Its pitty that even the Tri-class A330 are effected how many will be keep ?

AB330 wrote:

RoyalBrunei757 wrote:

Some fleet movement this week December 2, 2021:
Airbus A320-271N 10663 RP-C4130 Cebu Pacific Air delivery 30nov-01dec21TLS-MCT-MNL ex F-WWDX
Airbus A330-343 1482 2-CPRO BBAM Aircraft Leasing ferried 30 Nov 2021 ASP-SIN, ex RP-C8786
Airbus A330-343 1559 RP-C8765 Philippine Airlines ferried 27 Nov 2021 MNL-HNL-MZJ on return to lessor, ex F-WWYQ
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=2

RP-C8785 is in the process of being Re-registered at Allice Spring.

Also 2 more A330-300 will be keep on long term storage in the US.

All lease A330-300 where to expired between 2021 to 2024. Its pitty that even the Tri-class A330 are effected how many will be keep ?

Updated here are the current remaning A330-300 in PAL fleet:
RP-C8760
RP-C8763
RP-C8764
RP-C8766
RP-C8771
RP-C8780
RP-C8781
RP-C8782
RP-C8783
RP-C8784
RP-C8789

Nine out of the 11 A333 are now flying while 2 are in storage at Allice Spring with the possibility of them being de-registered in the future assuming PAL dosen't return them to service. Its projected that the A333 will be reduced from 2024 onwards so I'm curious if there plans for a replacement either mid-2020 or late-2020 to early-2030's. I suspect only after 2026 will a replacement be seek for the A333 with some routes in oceania to be downsized to the A321neo through its derivatives the LR and XLR or which could supplement the sucessor to the A333 in high-demand routes.

AB330 wrote:

Nine out of the 11 A333 are now flying while 2 are in storage at Allice Spring with the possibility of them being de-registered in the future assuming PAL dosen't return them to service. Its projected that the A333 will be reduced from 2024 onwards so I'm curious if there plans for a replacement either mid-2020 or late-2020 to early-2030's.

Supposing PR were already in a position to order replacement aircraft by the time leases of their other widebody CEOs expire in 2024, the least expensive alternative would be the A338. I was half-expecting PR to pick up GA's cancelled order for 4 at DAS21 - but they didn't.

AB330 wrote:

I suspect only after 2026 will a replacement be seek for the A333 with some routes in oceania to be downsized to the A321neo through its derivatives the LR and XLR or which could supplement the sucessor to the A333 in high-demand routes.

OZ could definitely be downgauged to the LR, perhaps with only MEL and SYD remaining as WB sectors. However, AKL is a bit too far for the XLR with a full load...while the A339 may be more capacity than needed for the route thus requiring a drop in frequency - a tad undesirable tack. With people on another site already whining about 5J's 459-pax sardine can even before its first commercial flight, PR could continue with its legacy role by flying a tri-class A338 to those destinations when they come around (subject to bilaterals).

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=CRK-TLV-LH ... /PER&DU=nm

Breaking the longest segments with a stop would make those more competitive against the ME3 and other Asian carriers as PR doesn't have to tank fuel for the entire trip, allowing them to price the flights more aggressively. Seven-abreast in PE on those longish segments would be a nice upgrade.


https://simpleflying.com/wp-content/upl ... 00x644.png

And before anyone brings up the A338's untimely demise, please remember that we are in the midst of the worst peacetime killer in recent memory.

KLM’s 70th year flying to Manila!

https://www.instagram.com/p/CXDofpdl-A9 ... =copy_link

https://www.google.com.sg/amp/s/finance ... 00863.html

Devilfish wrote:

Breaking the longest segments with a stop would make those more competitive against the ME3 and other Asian carriers as PR doesn't have to tank fuel

My feeling is that non-stop PR has an advantage over other 1-stop flights on long haul. Otherwise, who in their right mind would pick PR over Emirates, Turkish, etc., if the price is identical or PR slightly less? For flights in Dec/Jan PR is charging $2,000+ round trip for JFK - MNL in economy. Even for low season February and onwards, the lowest price you can find is $1,450 round trip in economy. That's a terrific price for PR (but not the customer obviously). With COVID-19 who knows what the requirements will be at the 1-stop connection stop. As long as there is COVID, and there is a fear of being stranded in a 3rd country, PR can milk the direct flight route, which it is doing now.

What are the requirements for returning to the US. Is it just the COVID test result and your ticket/visa? I assume you don't need OnePass, Traze, end of mandatory quarantine certificate in the Philippines, or other stuff, correct? Thanks.

edealinfo wrote:

My feeling is that non-stop PR has an advantage over other 1-stop flights on long haul. Otherwise, who in their right mind would pick PR over Emirates, Turkish, etc., if the price is identical or PR slightly less?

That is an advantage which has not translated into better yields or higher load factors on LHR, JFK and YYZ that almost put those routes on the chopping block. Remember that onward pax still get the same-plane convenience from their home airport to their final destination - minus the hassle of dragging their luggage to a different gate to make their connection. New passengers boarding at the intermediate airport still get to enjoy PR's warm, hospitable service - what's not to like?

edealinfo wrote:

With COVID-19 who knows what the requirements will be at the 1-stop connection stop. As long as there is COVID, and there is a fear of being stranded in a 3rd country, PR can milk the direct flight route, which it is doing now.

Onward passengers do not have to get off the plane at the stop...they would only need to screen alighting pax. Are you saying local authorities there would go through the trouble of deboarding the entire plane to test all the passengers and crew? As to milking nonstop flights, the sparse cabin occupancy has to pay for that expensively long segment...something that may not worry sovereign owned carriers flush with petro . If you are so worried about the quarantine protocols, then it would be best to just stay home and wait for everything to clear up.

AB330 wrote:

AB330 wrote:

RoyalBrunei757 wrote:

Some fleet movement this week December 2, 2021:
Airbus A320-271N 10663 RP-C4130 Cebu Pacific Air delivery 30nov-01dec21TLS-MCT-MNL ex F-WWDX
Airbus A330-343 1482 2-CPRO BBAM Aircraft Leasing ferried 30 Nov 2021 ASP-SIN, ex RP-C8786
Airbus A330-343 1559 RP-C8765 Philippine Airlines ferried 27 Nov 2021 MNL-HNL-MZJ on return to lessor, ex F-WWYQ
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=2

RP-C8785 is in the process of being Re-registered at Allice Spring.

Also 2 more A330-300 will be keep on long term storage in the US.

All lease A330-300 where to expired between 2021 to 2024. Its pitty that even the Tri-class A330 are effected how many will be keep ?

Updated here are the current remaning A330-300 in PAL fleet:
RP-C8760
RP-C8763
RP-C8764
RP-C8766
RP-C8771
RP-C8780
RP-C8781
RP-C8782
RP-C8783
RP-C8784
RP-C8789

Nine out of the 11 A333 are now flying while 2 are in storage at Allice Spring with the possibility of them being de-registered in the future assuming PAL dosen't return them to service. Its projected that the A333 will be reduced from 2024 onwards so I'm curious if there plans for a replacement either mid-2020 or late-2020 to early-2030's. I suspect only after 2026 will a replacement be seek for the A333 with some routes in oceania to be downsized to the A321neo through its derivatives the LR and XLR or which could supplement the successor to the A333 in high-demand routes.

Those A330-343 which have left their fleet:
Previous Registration/ MSN/ Current Status
RP-C8785 1475 Airbus A330-343 In storage at ASP as 2-MAHY Fly Leasing
RP-C8786 1482 Airbus A330-343 In storage at BOD as 2-CPRO BBAM
RP-C8762 1531 Airbus A330-343 Active with Smartlynx Malta as 9H-SMF (https://twitter.com/kitLongfellow/statu ... 80/photo/1)
RP-C8765 1559 Airbus A330-343 In storage at MZJ as RP-C8765

Updating from Reply #406.

6 December timetable update on PAL's website is now up on their site. Main highlights are schedule adjustments.

International

MNL-BNE-AKL v.v. running twice monthly from Jan-Mar 2022 and 12/16Dec
MNL-LAX v.v. 12x weekly
MNL-SIN v.v. 10x weekly, 2x daily from 1 Feb
MNL-SFO v.v. 4x weekly, 5x weekly from 14/28 December, 1x daily from 6 January 2022, Saturday return flight stops in Cebu until 26 March
MNL-YYZ v.v. scheduled until 30 Jan (Manila departure) instead of 26 Jan
There have been reports that PAL was eying GES-KUL v.v. service to start on 9 December. However, this is not listed on this timetable. Keep a possible eye out for future updates.
https://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1160568
https://www.nst.com.my/world/region/202 ... next-month

Domestic
MNL-BSO v.v. 2x weekly from 2 Jan 2022
MNL-CEB v.v. 1x daily opb PALex from 1 Dec onward, complementing 7x daily servce opb Mainline, increasing to 9x daily Mainline from 1 January 2022.
MNL-DVO v.v. 4x daily, 32x weekly from 26 Dec, all opb Mainline
MNL-GES v.v. now 1x daily opb Mainline
MNL-MPH v.v. additional sector on 26 Dec/2 Jan 22, complementing existing 5x daily service
MNL-PPS v.v. has 1x daily flight opb Mainline until 1 Jan 2022, complementing 7x weekly service opb PALex
MNL-RXS v.v. 1x daily from 1 Jan 2022

It seems CRK T2's previously announced yearend opening may have been spooked by Mt Pinatubo's little tantrum last week.

https://www.skyscrapercity.com/cdn-cgi/ ... g.2460311/

The linked image above posted in SkyscraperCity by @Sisigboy shows a still unfinished Arrival Area.

Devilfish wrote:

edealinfo wrote:

My feeling is that non-stop PR has an advantage over other 1-stop flights on long haul. Otherwise, who in their right mind would pick PR over Emirates, Turkish, etc., if the price is identical or PR slightly less?

That is an advantage which has not translated into better yields or higher load factors on LHR, JFK and YYZ that almost put those routes on the chopping block. Remember that onward pax still get the same-plane convenience from their home airport to their final destination - minus the hassle of dragging their luggage to a different gate to make their connection. New passengers boarding at the intermediate airport still get to enjoy PR's warm, hospitable service - what's not to like?

edealinfo wrote:

With COVID-19 who knows what the requirements will be at the 1-stop connection stop. As long as there is COVID, and there is a fear of being stranded in a 3rd country, PR can milk the direct flight route, which it is doing now.

Onward passengers do not have to get off the plane at the stop...they would only need to screen alighting pax. Are you saying local authorities there would go through the trouble of deboarding the entire plane to test all the passengers and crew? As to milking nonstop flights, the sparse cabin occupancy has to pay for that expensively long segment...something that may not worry sovereign owned carriers flush with petro . If you are so worried about the quarantine protocols, then it would be best to just stay home and wait for everything to clear up.

1. So what are the airline options flying JFK to MNL with a stop over that does not take an extraordinary long time? I am pretty sure, that if price is the same, a vast majority will prefer PR's direct non stop flight rather than JAL/ANA/Korean one stop connections. Am I missing other one-stop airline connections?

2. Separately, What are the requirements for returning to the US. Is it just the COVID test result and your ticket/visa? I assume you don't need OnePass, Traze, end of mandatory quarantine certificate in the Philippines, or other stuff, correct? Thanks.

edealinfo wrote:

1. So what are the airline options flying JFK to MNL with a stop over that does not take an extraordinary long time? I am pretty sure, that if price is the same, a vast majority will prefer PR's direct non stop flight rather than JAL/ANA/Korean one stop connections. Am I missing other one-stop airline connections?

Unfortunately, that's just the way the cookie crumbles. The CN3 may have other options but I doubt those would be better. In a way, PR customers lucked out when El Kapitan overrode his managers and decided to keep the nonstop ULH routes...though not sure how much longer they could sustain those.

edealinfo wrote:

2. Separately, What are the requirements for returning to the US. Is it just the COVID test result and your ticket/visa? I assume you don't need OnePass, Traze, end of mandatory quarantine certificate in the Philippines, or other stuff, correct? Thanks.

Sorry, my last trip back was in Feb '20 when we almost got pinned by the travel ban so I'm not aware of current restrictions. Pinas-based members may be able to provide you with more accurate information.