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GalaxyFlyer
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Re: Trump's Parked 757 N757AF

Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:33 pm

Revelation wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
I’m pretty sure TAG doesn’t operate in the US anymore. The FAA had issues over foreign ownership which was somewhat obscure and maybe unsavory

I'm shocked, truly shocked, that DT would have anything to do with such an outfit.


TAG was, in the US, one of the largest charter/management companies operating and very controversial FAA action based on foreign ownership and post-9/11 politics. They are still very big in Europe, Asia, and ME. Google was with TAG at one point operating a 767. Let go, he’s moved on but you haven’t
 
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Re: Trump's Parked 757 N757AF

Tue Mar 23, 2021 3:07 pm

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Revelation wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
I’m pretty sure TAG doesn’t operate in the US anymore. The FAA had issues over foreign ownership which was somewhat obscure and maybe unsavory

I'm shocked, truly shocked, that DT would have anything to do with such an outfit.


TAG was, in the US, one of the largest charter/management companies operating and very controversial FAA action based on foreign ownership and post-9/11 politics. They are still very big in Europe, Asia, and ME. Google was with TAG at one point operating a 767. Let go, he’s moved on but you haven’t


Hang on...

First, the TAG Air Inc. that operates the 757 (and Citation) is a Trump-owned company. It is not related to TAG Aviation.

Second, the TAG Aviation in Europe/Asia has sold off all of its charter/management/FBO operations. TAG Aviation Holdings remains simply as a holding company.
 
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FLALEFTY
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Re: Trump's Parked 757 N757AF

Tue Mar 23, 2021 4:22 pm

Revelation wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
I’m pretty sure TAG doesn’t operate in the US anymore. The FAA had issues over foreign ownership which was somewhat obscure and maybe unsavory

I'm shocked, truly shocked, that DT would have anything to do with such an outfit.


TAG Aviation USA was shut down by the FAA for irregularities, but only temporarily. However, the FAA let them off the hook in 2007 after TAG paid a $10M fine, agreed to divest themselves of Elan Express (a Part 125 operation that conducted flight ops for Google/Alphabet's Sergey Brin and Larry Page's B767) and sold their 49% share of TAG Aviation USA to Sentient Flight Group.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news ... aa-dispute

TAG's website makes no mention of having any USA-based operations these days:

https://www.tagaviation.com/en/about-us/
 
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Re: Trump's Parked 757 N757AF

Tue Mar 23, 2021 4:34 pm

MO11 wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Revelation wrote:
I'm shocked, truly shocked, that DT would have anything to do with such an outfit.


TAG was, in the US, one of the largest charter/management companies operating and very controversial FAA action based on foreign ownership and post-9/11 politics. They are still very big in Europe, Asia, and ME. Google was with TAG at one point operating a 767. Let go, he’s moved on but you haven’t


Hang on...

First, the TAG Air Inc. that operates the 757 (and Citation) is a Trump-owned company. It is not related to TAG Aviation.

Second, the TAG Aviation in Europe/Asia has sold off all of its charter/management/FBO operations. TAG Aviation Holdings remains simply as a holding company.


Re-read post #88, this thread where the poster stated it was managed by TAG Aviation, Swiss-owned. Respond to him for posting erroneous info.
 
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FLALEFTY
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Re: Trump's Parked 757 N757AF

Tue Mar 23, 2021 4:43 pm

MO11 wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Revelation wrote:
I'm shocked, truly shocked, that DT would have anything to do with such an outfit.


TAG was, in the US, one of the largest charter/management companies operating and very controversial FAA action based on foreign ownership and post-9/11 politics. They are still very big in Europe, Asia, and ME. Google was with TAG at one point operating a 767. Let go, he’s moved on but you haven’t


Hang on...

First, the TAG Air Inc. that operates the 757 (and Citation) is a Trump-owned company. It is not related to TAG Aviation.

Second, the TAG Aviation in Europe/Asia has sold off all of its charter/management/FBO operations. TAG Aviation Holdings remains simply as a holding company.


Apparently you are correct. TAG Air, Inc. was a Seattle-based subsidiary that was related to Paul Allen's Vulcan Northwest holding company, which previously owned N757AF. Trump apparently bought TAG Air, Inc. with the plane. But this makes me wonder if Vulcan might still be managing/crewing/maintaining the plane under a Trump annual contract? If so, this could explain much, such as N757AF's current derelict condition?

Well, at least we have eliminated the defunct, TAG Aviation USA from the analysis...

https://www.nwnewsnetwork.org/post/trum ... washington
 
integrator
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Re: Trump's Parked 757 N757AF

Tue Mar 23, 2021 4:51 pm

KrustyTheKlown wrote:
cedarjet wrote:
I think it’s more about ability and willingness to pay. This is the bird that got the water cannon salute taxiing into La Guardia the day after the 2016 election. Now shabby and abandoned with a missing engine in rural New York state. What a difference four years makes.

IFlyVeryLittle wrote:
Would a person like Trump fly with anything but Rolls-Royce engines?

I’m really surprised he used a foreign engine. What happened to make America great again?


The engines on this plane were chosen by Sterling Airways, a defunct low cost airline from Denmark.

Then the plane went to another defunct low cost airline (Mexico's Taesa), then to Paul Allen and then to him.



Sorry, have to correct that one...

Yes MSN:25155 was Sterling Airways first and only 757 (OY-SHA) acquired prior to their 1993 Bankruptcy. So yes, they chose the engines but they were certainly not a Low Cost Carrier!

Sterling Airways was once the world’s largest charter airline with a fleet of SÜD Caravelle’s and 727’s moving Sun hungry Scandinavian’s from the north of Europe to destinations throughout the world. I flew on OY-SHA back to CPH from the Caribbean in 1991…

After the 1993 bankruptcy, Sterling Airways re-emerged in 1994 as Sterling European Airlines, still focusing on charters. By now, OY-SHA had passed on to TAESA of Mexico.

In 2001, Sterling European Airlines, now under Fred Olsen Lines ownership decided to become a Low Cost carrier.

In 2005, Sterling European Airlines was merged with the remains of Maersk Air to form Sterling Airlines A/S. Who in turn went out of business in 2008 forever taking away the proud Sterling name. The Airline of my youth...

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MO11
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Re: Trump's Parked 757 N757AF

Tue Mar 23, 2021 5:37 pm

FLALEFTY wrote:
MO11 wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:

TAG was, in the US, one of the largest charter/management companies operating and very controversial FAA action based on foreign ownership and post-9/11 politics. They are still very big in Europe, Asia, and ME. Google was with TAG at one point operating a 767. Let go, he’s moved on but you haven’t


Hang on...

First, the TAG Air Inc. that operates the 757 (and Citation) is a Trump-owned company. It is not related to TAG Aviation.

Second, the TAG Aviation in Europe/Asia has sold off all of its charter/management/FBO operations. TAG Aviation Holdings remains simply as a holding company.


Apparently you are correct. TAG Air, Inc. was a Seattle-based subsidiary that was related to Paul Allen's Vulcan Northwest holding company, which previously owned N757AF. Trump apparently bought TAG Air, Inc. with the plane. But this makes me wonder if Vulcan might still be managing/crewing/maintaining the plane under a Trump annual contract? If so, this could explain much, such as N757AF's current derelict condition?

Well, at least we have eliminated the defunct, TAG Aviation USA from the analysis...

https://www.nwnewsnetwork.org/post/trum ... washington


TAG Air (FAR 125) has a different FAA certificate number than the one that Vulcan Northwest had. And it's certificate issue date was 2003; Vulcan Northwest's certificate existed well beyond that.
 
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readytotaxi
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Re: Trump's Parked 757 N757AF

Tue Mar 23, 2021 6:15 pm

Trump has access to the monies for an engine repair, seems he has lost interest in it after flying AF1.
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Zidane
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Re: Trump's Parked 757 N757AF

Tue Mar 23, 2021 6:48 pm

In her past life with Sterling Airways, making a spectacular landing at the tiny Horta Airport (Azores). https://youtu.be/lHT2GlY7UQk
 
Elementalism
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Re: Trump's Parked 757 N757AF

Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:40 pm

JohanTally wrote:
The plane is 30 years old and is probably unlikely to return to service. Let's avoid political rhetoric


Given this was Paul Allens plane then Trumps. How many cycles does this plane have? I bet it is very low for a 30 year old plane.
 
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Re: Trump's Parked 757 N757AF

Tue Mar 23, 2021 9:20 pm

Elementalism wrote:
JohanTally wrote:
The plane is 30 years old and is probably unlikely to return to service. Let's avoid political rhetoric


Given this was Paul Allens plane then Trumps. How many cycles does this plane have? I bet it is very low for a 30 year old plane.


I bet the limitations are how long Boeing supports the 757 and Rolls Royce supports the engines. Typically planes like a 757 get sold for conversion when a D check is due. I doubt the airframe would ever need another D check given the low hours a private plane like this accumulates.
 
Lootess
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Re: Trump's Parked 757 N757AF

Wed Mar 24, 2021 5:33 am

Trump uses his citation nowadays, you can imagine the lower profile he can make with that over the 757, and also lower flight-per-hour cost.

He's also not hauling around a staff regularly since he still isn't running Trump Organization anymore, his sons do. Plus he probably won't be anytime soon since he's still active in politics. But you can bet at a snap of a finger the moth balls would be removed right away if he wanted to.
 
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Re: Trump's Parked 757 N757AF

Wed Mar 24, 2021 6:13 am

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Lootess wrote:
Trump uses his citation nowadays, you can imagine the lower profile he can make with that over the 757, and also lower flight-per-hour cost.

He's also not hauling around a staff regularly since he still isn't running Trump Organization anymore, his sons do. Plus he probably won't be anytime soon since he's still active in politics. But you can bet at a snap of a finger the moth balls would be removed right away if he wanted to.

Lol Trump and lower profile
 
rj1385
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Re: Trump's Parked 757 N757AF

Wed Mar 24, 2021 11:48 pm

Wasn't there a scrapping company that used to be located where the plane is now?
Funnier thing would be if the plane is being held hostage due to storage fees not being paid.

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