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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Fri May 21, 2021 2:48 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
It's great to see the 739MAX fleet back into action.
However, I'm wondering when the training wheels will be taken off. Checking operations there hasn't been a single transcon, no Hawaii flying and find a very few flights with durations of over 4 hours. IAH-SEA looks like the longest flight, followed by RSW-DEN and IAH-SFO. These routings of the 739MAX units look more like 739 non-ER units.
Does anyone know when the MAXs will start spreading its wings?


They are scheduled to operate IAH-ANC beginning June 3rd blocked at 7h8m. No thanks.

LAX-OGG begins to operate on B39M on June 3rd.

They'll also start finding their way on to transcons in July with BOS/SFO.

ORD-FAI operates with B39M beginning 7/1 blocked at 6h30m.

DEN-BZN sees two rotations on B39M beginning 7/1.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Fri May 21, 2021 3:03 pm

Scarebus34 wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
It's great to see the 739MAX fleet back into action.
However, I'm wondering when the training wheels will be taken off. Checking operations there hasn't been a single transcon, no Hawaii flying and find a very few flights with durations of over 4 hours. IAH-SEA looks like the longest flight, followed by RSW-DEN and IAH-SFO. These routings of the 739MAX units look more like 739 non-ER units.
Does anyone know when the MAXs will start spreading its wings?


They are scheduled to operate IAH-ANC beginning June 3rd blocked at 7h8m. No thanks.

LAX-OGG begins to operate on B39M on June 3rd.

They'll also start finding their way on to transcons in July with BOS/SFO.

ORD-FAI operates with B39M beginning 7/1 blocked at 6h30m.

DEN-BZN sees two rotations on B39M beginning 7/1.



do we know what the lav situation will be on these? At 7:08, thats a lot, and we've already seen in the past with the 752's from Europe having lav issues.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Fri May 21, 2021 3:55 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
It's great to see the 739MAX fleet back into action.
However, I'm wondering when the training wheels will be taken off. Checking operations there hasn't been a single transcon, no Hawaii flying and find a very few flights with durations of over 4 hours. IAH-SEA looks like the longest flight, followed by RSW-DEN and IAH-SFO. These routings of the 739MAX units look more like 739 non-ER units.
Does anyone know when the MAXs will start spreading its wings?


IAH --> ANC/back is scheduled on the MAX9 starting after Memorial Day weekend. Clocks in around 7hrs each way. Not sure which other long routes it will get scheduled on over the summer. For context, IAH/ANC was one of the original long routes for the MAX9 when it first launched at UA before the grounding.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Fri May 21, 2021 4:11 pm

CALMSP wrote:
Scarebus34 wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
It's great to see the 739MAX fleet back into action.
However, I'm wondering when the training wheels will be taken off. Checking operations there hasn't been a single transcon, no Hawaii flying and find a very few flights with durations of over 4 hours. IAH-SEA looks like the longest flight, followed by RSW-DEN and IAH-SFO. These routings of the 739MAX units look more like 739 non-ER units.
Does anyone know when the MAXs will start spreading its wings?


They are scheduled to operate IAH-ANC beginning June 3rd blocked at 7h8m. No thanks.

LAX-OGG begins to operate on B39M on June 3rd.

They'll also start finding their way on to transcons in July with BOS/SFO.

ORD-FAI operates with B39M beginning 7/1 blocked at 6h30m.

DEN-BZN sees two rotations on B39M beginning 7/1.



do we know what the lav situation will be on these? At 7:08, thats a lot, and we've already seen in the past with the 752's from Europe having lav issues.


Same config as the 739er... one lav up front, one behind first, and two in the rear.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Fri May 21, 2021 4:18 pm

From what your saying, no coffee before flight and make sure you use the terminal bathrooms before boarding.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Fri May 21, 2021 4:59 pm

I’m booked on B39M on IAH-ANC in June and ORD-ANC in August. About 7 hours and 6.5 hours, respectively. Very nice ride.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Fri May 21, 2021 5:29 pm

The next ez-EZY A319, N6309U, has ferried from QLA>KEF>CLE>GYR:

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n6309u

N6308U, ex- G-EZAC, will be next having ferried from MAD>LGW>QLA this week:

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/g-ezac
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Fri May 21, 2021 6:19 pm

Scarebus34 wrote:
CALMSP wrote:
Scarebus34 wrote:

They are scheduled to operate IAH-ANC beginning June 3rd blocked at 7h8m. No thanks.

LAX-OGG begins to operate on B39M on June 3rd.

They'll also start finding their way on to transcons in July with BOS/SFO.

ORD-FAI operates with B39M beginning 7/1 blocked at 6h30m.

DEN-BZN sees two rotations on B39M beginning 7/1.



do we know what the lav situation will be on these? At 7:08, thats a lot, and we've already seen in the past with the 752's from Europe having lav issues.


Same config as the 739er... one lav up front, one behind first, and two in the rear.

752 has 3 to 10 fewer seats, but flies a couple more hours than the 739MAX - unless the 752 lav holds more, there shouldn't be a problem.
For what its worth the 738 with 8% fewer seats than the MAX has 20% fewer lavs (4 vs. 5).
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Fri May 21, 2021 6:41 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
Scarebus34 wrote:
CALMSP wrote:


do we know what the lav situation will be on these? At 7:08, thats a lot, and we've already seen in the past with the 752's from Europe having lav issues.


Same config as the 739er... one lav up front, one behind first, and two in the rear.

752 has 3 to 10 fewer seats, but flies a couple more hours than the 739MAX - unless the 752 lav holds more, there shouldn't be a problem.
For what its worth the 738 with 8% fewer seats than the MAX has 20% fewer lavs (4 vs. 5).


You mean 3 vs 4, right? The 738 has 1 forward and 2 aft. The 739 and Max have 1 forward, 1 between F and Y and 2 aft
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Fri May 21, 2021 7:49 pm

Yes sorry 3 vs 4 which is even fewer lavs per pax on the 738, which does fly transcon.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Fri May 21, 2021 8:09 pm

Europe increases...

EWR-FCO/MXP being increased to daily in July.
EWR- BCN will resume 5x weekly.
EWR-MAD will resume 6x weekly.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Fri May 21, 2021 9:06 pm

Scarebus34 wrote:
Europe increases...

EWR-FCO/MXP being increased to daily in July.
EWR- BCN will resume 5x weekly.
EWR-MAD will resume 6x weekly.


I think United is being a bit to conservative with BCN and MAD. I think both of those routes should operate daily instead of weekly especially if UA has no plans on resuming IAD-MAD or IAD-BCN until spring 2022.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Fri May 21, 2021 9:10 pm

jayunited wrote:
Scarebus34 wrote:
Europe increases...

EWR-FCO/MXP being increased to daily in July.
EWR- BCN will resume 5x weekly.
EWR-MAD will resume 6x weekly.


I think United is being a bit to conservative with BCN and MAD. I think both of those routes should operate daily instead of weekly especially if UA has no plans on resuming IAD-MAD or IAD-BCN until spring 2022.

Agreed. They should also move it up a few weeks - Spain is opening June 7th. I would have liked to see ORD-BCN in light of the fact that AA is pretty much giving up on Europe this year.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Fri May 21, 2021 9:12 pm

Like DBV, I wouldn’t be surprised if UA increases frequency to Spain if the recent news spurs strong bookings
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Fri May 21, 2021 11:49 pm

I don’t know when B6 takes on their next LR to begin BOS-LHR, but I would imagine UA wants to get a head start on bookings that might otherwise have gone to B6.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Sat May 22, 2021 12:01 am

Scarebus34 wrote:
SFOtoORD wrote:
Given UA’s recent passenger growth and July increases, anyone know when we’ll see August schedules?

Considering they just released the July schedule - I would say at least another 3 weeks.


I am seeing at least one gauge change to a KOA-SFO flight in mid-August. Seat maps aren’t available yet so maybe this is the beginning of a change.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Sat May 22, 2021 2:17 pm

Schedule updated through September 7th.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Sat May 22, 2021 9:52 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Should we expect a big ramp up of the EWR schedule in October if current recovery trends continue and the construction is finished on time?



I know you posted this question a few days ago and now I have an answer.

First the bad news: According to an internal memo United will restricted our daily departures out of EWR to 230 daily departures during the month of June, and that number will pretty much remain steady through out EWR's runway construction project. Again UA is trying to avoid operational melt downs.

Now the good news: Again according to the same internal memo starting this October UA is now planning on operating between 375 - 400 daily departures out of EWR this is based on information UA is receiving from our business partners in and around the tri-state area. They are telling UA to expect some business travel to resume starting this fall.

I know you've been asking about EWR for the longest, all I can say is hang in there for a few more months and you will for sure see UA flip the light switch on at EWR this October. That is the plan right now here in May, barring any more COVID surprises.

Average Daily Departures by hub for the month of June
DEN: 450
IAH: 428
ORD: 425
EWR: 230
IAD: 195
SFO: 137
LAX: 94

The total July daily average departures was not included however there was a partial July update.
DEN: 502
ORD: 500
IAH: 493

Quick side note if the July schedule holds it means DEN will only be 3 fights shy of hitting 100% of their pre-COVID (July 2019) daily departures and United is showing no signs of slowing down at DEN. Both ORD and IAH still have a ways to go before they get close to their pre-COVID daily departure numbers.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Sat May 22, 2021 11:16 pm

jayunited wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
Should we expect a big ramp up of the EWR schedule in October if current recovery trends continue and the construction is finished on time?



I know you posted this question a few days ago and now I have an answer.

First the bad news: According to an internal memo United will restricted our daily departures out of EWR to 230 daily departures during the month of June, and that number will pretty much remain steady through out EWR's runway construction project. Again UA is trying to avoid operational melt downs.

Now the good news: Again according to the same internal memo starting this October UA is now planning on operating between 375 - 400 daily departures out of EWR this is based on information UA is receiving from our business partners in and around the tri-state area. They are telling UA to expect some business travel to resume starting this fall.

I know you've been asking about EWR for the longest, all I can say is hang in there for a few more months and you will for sure see UA flip the light switch on at EWR this October. That is the plan right now here in May, barring any more COVID surprises.

Average Daily Departures by hub for the month of June
DEN: 450
IAH: 428
ORD: 425
EWR: 230
IAD: 195
SFO: 137
LAX: 94

The total July daily average departures was not included however there was a partial July update.
DEN: 502
ORD: 500
IAH: 493

Quick side note if the July schedule holds it means DEN will only be 3 fights shy of hitting 100% of their pre-COVID (July 2019) daily departures and United is showing no signs of slowing down at DEN. Both ORD and IAH still have a ways to go before they get close to their pre-COVID daily departure numbers.


I thought IAHs pre Covid departure number was around 450?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Sun May 23, 2021 12:03 am

jayunited wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
Should we expect a big ramp up of the EWR schedule in October if current recovery trends continue and the construction is finished on time?



I know you posted this question a few days ago and now I have an answer.

First the bad news: According to an internal memo United will restricted our daily departures out of EWR to 230 daily departures during the month of June, and that number will pretty much remain steady through out EWR's runway construction project. Again UA is trying to avoid operational melt downs.

Now the good news: Again according to the same internal memo starting this October UA is now planning on operating between 375 - 400 daily departures out of EWR this is based on information UA is receiving from our business partners in and around the tri-state area. They are telling UA to expect some business travel to resume starting this fall.

I know you've been asking about EWR for the longest, all I can say is hang in there for a few more months and you will for sure see UA flip the light switch on at EWR this October. That is the plan right now here in May, barring any more COVID surprises.

Average Daily Departures by hub for the month of June
DEN: 450
IAH: 428
ORD: 425
EWR: 230
IAD: 195
SFO: 137
LAX: 94

The total July daily average departures was not included however there was a partial July update.
DEN: 502
ORD: 500
IAH: 493

Quick side note if the July schedule holds it means DEN will only be 3 fights shy of hitting 100% of their pre-COVID (July 2019) daily departures and United is showing no signs of slowing down at DEN. Both ORD and IAH still have a ways to go before they get close to their pre-COVID daily departure numbers.


With EWR being that restricted will we see UA utilize IAD as a reliever for EWR?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Sun May 23, 2021 12:40 am

LAXdude1023 wrote:
I thought IAHs pre Covid departure number was around 450?


No from what I'm able to find internally here are the daily departure numbers from July 2019
ORD: 652
IAD: 545
DEN: 505
EWR:450
SFO: 332
IAD: 267
LAX: 160

So yes IAH will be a lot closer in July 2021 to their July 2019 numbers than ORD. UA still has a long way to go at ORD.

If not for the pandemic the plan for ORD, DEN, and IAH for July 2020 was
ORD: 700
IAH: 600
DEN: 550

Also before the pandemic DEN would have replaced or tied IAH as UA's second largest hub by July 2021, and with the new gates UA acquired at DEN the plan was for UA to grow DEN to 700 daily (summer time) departures by 2024.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Sun May 23, 2021 12:44 am

jayunited wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
Should we expect a big ramp up of the EWR schedule in October if current recovery trends continue and the construction is finished on time?



I know you posted this question a few days ago and now I have an answer.

First the bad news: According to an internal memo United will restricted our daily departures out of EWR to 230 daily departures during the month of June, and that number will pretty much remain steady through out EWR's runway construction project. Again UA is trying to avoid operational melt downs.

Now the good news: Again according to the same internal memo starting this October UA is now planning on operating between 375 - 400 daily departures out of EWR this is based on information UA is receiving from our business partners in and around the tri-state area. They are telling UA to expect some business travel to resume starting this fall.

I know you've been asking about EWR for the longest, all I can say is hang in there for a few more months and you will for sure see UA flip the light switch on at EWR this October. That is the plan right now here in May, barring any more COVID surprises.

Average Daily Departures by hub for the month of June
DEN: 450
IAH: 428
ORD: 425
EWR: 230
IAD: 195
SFO: 137
LAX: 94

The total July daily average departures was not included however there was a partial July update.
DEN: 502
ORD: 500
IAH: 493

Quick side note if the July schedule holds it means DEN will only be 3 fights shy of hitting 100% of their pre-COVID (July 2019) daily departures and United is showing no signs of slowing down at DEN. Both ORD and IAH still have a ways to go before they get close to their pre-COVID daily departure numbers.


FSDan was kind enough to pull UAs summer 2019 number of flights broken down by hub:

July 15th 2019

ORD 637
IAH 533
DEN 504
EWR 432
SFO 322
IAD 266
LAX 160

Still down by quite a bit overall but nice to see DEN basically back to normal.

viewtopic.php?t=1420611
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Sun May 23, 2021 1:56 am

jayunited wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:
I thought IAHs pre Covid departure number was around 450?


No from what I'm able to find internally here are the daily departure numbers from July 2019
ORD: 652
IAD: 545
DEN: 505
EWR:450
SFO: 332
IAD: 267
LAX: 160

So yes IAH will be a lot closer in July 2021 to their July 2019 numbers than ORD. UA still has a long way to go at ORD.

If not for the pandemic the plan for ORD, DEN, and IAH for July 2020 was
ORD: 700
IAH: 600
DEN: 550

Also before the pandemic DEN would have replaced or tied IAH as UA's second largest hub by July 2021, and with the new gates UA acquired at DEN the plan was for UA to grow DEN to 700 daily (summer time) departures by 2024.


Ok cool. I was mistaken.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Sun May 23, 2021 3:39 am

jayunited wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
Should we expect a big ramp up of the EWR schedule in October if current recovery trends continue and the construction is finished on time?



I know you posted this question a few days ago and now I have an answer.

First the bad news: According to an internal memo United will restricted our daily departures out of EWR to 230 daily departures during the month of June, and that number will pretty much remain steady through out EWR's runway construction project. Again UA is trying to avoid operational melt downs.

Now the good news: Again according to the same internal memo starting this October UA is now planning on operating between 375 - 400 daily departures out of EWR this is based on information UA is receiving from our business partners in and around the tri-state area. They are telling UA to expect some business travel to resume starting this fall.

I know you've been asking about EWR for the longest, all I can say is hang in there for a few more months and you will for sure see UA flip the light switch on at EWR this October. That is the plan right now here in May, barring any more COVID surprises.

Average Daily Departures by hub for the month of June
DEN: 450
IAH: 428
ORD: 425
EWR: 230
IAD: 195
SFO: 137
LAX: 94

The total July daily average departures was not included however there was a partial July update.
DEN: 502
ORD: 500
IAH: 493

Quick side note if the July schedule holds it means DEN will only be 3 fights shy of hitting 100% of their pre-COVID (July 2019) daily departures and United is showing no signs of slowing down at DEN. Both ORD and IAH still have a ways to go before they get close to their pre-COVID daily departure numbers.


Thank you for this. I have a lot more confidence in UA moving forward if they really plan to expand to that number by November.

As for the August schedule that dropped today, I am seeing right around 250 flights on peak days, is this correct or do they still need to take out more?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Sun May 23, 2021 5:24 am

Friends at DEN tell me UA (and likely WN) can’t hire enough ramp to work the current schedule. Too many applicants test positive for weed or don’t want to work outside in harsh weather. Adding more flights will compound the problem. How’s operational performance? They say every day is near meltdown. Anyone know if that’s true?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Sun May 23, 2021 6:28 am

[threeid][/threeid]
dcajet wrote:
Between June 5th and August 1st, United is suspending its Houston IAH - Rio de Janeiro GIG route. Currently operated 5x w with 763ER; daily service from GRU to IAH will continue as scheduled. The GIG route is heavily patronized by the oil industry, hence the summer suspension as traffic drops and with little other traffic to make up for it.

https://www.aviacionline.com/2021/05/un ... e-janeiro/


I go to Rio often. But I usually fly United in and out of SDU (Santos Dumont) from GRU (usually AZUL) Will UA keep that tag over to Rio from São Paulo? I cannot imagine cutting off Rio de Janeiro completely?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Sun May 23, 2021 2:46 pm

IFlyOff wrote:
Friends at DEN tell me UA (and likely WN) can’t hire enough ramp to work the current schedule. Too many applicants test positive for weed or don’t want to work outside in harsh weather. Adding more flights will compound the problem. How’s operational performance? They say every day is near meltdown. Anyone know if that’s true?


No. Every day is not near meltdown. We are definitely running lean on manpower, but it is not as dire as you make it out to be.

The reason it is tough to hire is because the local job market makes working at the airport uncompetitive. You can start out at the grocery store or Wendy’s making the same amount of money without having to drive 30 minutes out to the airport and deal with the airport’s ridiculous shuttle buses and security programs. It’s a good job after 4-5 years when you begin making good money and get better seniority. But most people aren’t looking long term, and there are easier jobs with way less hassle that pay just as much in town. It took me an hour to get from my car to my work area yesterday, and that is as an employee. That is an hour of wasted, unpaid time I will never get back. Working at DIA is an absolute pain in the ass, and if I were brand new I wouldn’t tolerate it. I can barely tolerate it because I am at the top of the pay scale now.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Sun May 23, 2021 3:53 pm

SFOtoORD wrote:
Scarebus34 wrote:
SFOtoORD wrote:
Given UA’s recent passenger growth and July increases, anyone know when we’ll see August schedules?

Considering they just released the July schedule - I would say at least another 3 weeks.


I am seeing at least one gauge change to a KOA-SFO flight in mid-August. Seat maps aren’t available yet so maybe this is the beginning of a change.

I thought I read somewhere (news website) that BOS to LHR wasn't going to start until sometime in 2022.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Sun May 23, 2021 5:50 pm

VC10er wrote:
[threeid][/threeid]
dcajet wrote:
Between June 5th and August 1st, United is suspending its Houston IAH - Rio de Janeiro GIG route. Currently operated 5x w with 763ER; daily service from GRU to IAH will continue as scheduled. The GIG route is heavily patronized by the oil industry, hence the summer suspension as traffic drops and with little other traffic to make up for it.

https://www.aviacionline.com/2021/05/un ... e-janeiro/


I go to Rio often. But I usually fly United in and out of SDU (Santos Dumont) from GRU (usually AZUL) Will UA keep that tag over to Rio from São Paulo? I cannot imagine cutting off Rio de Janeiro completely?


The IAH - GIG flight exists mostly due to demand generated by the oil industry. If that goes away for a while, it would be hard for UA to justify the flight when GRU is right around the corner and has stronger business and leisure demand. I can´t imagine UA operating a domestic tag within Brazil when they have a partnership with Azul. For the time being it appears this is just a temporary service suspension. Long term, it is hard to predict, depending on the lingering effects of the pandemic and how fast Rio´s economy recuperates; it was already on thin ice before COVID..
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Sun May 23, 2021 7:48 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
It's great to see the 739MAX fleet back into action.
However, I'm wondering when the training wheels will be taken off. Checking operations there hasn't been a single transcon, no Hawaii flying and find a very few flights with durations of over 4 hours. IAH-SEA looks like the longest flight, followed by RSW-DEN and IAH-SFO. These routings of the 739MAX units look more like 739 non-ER units.
Does anyone know when the MAXs will start spreading its wings?


A lot of it has to do with getting pilots re-qualified on the MAX. We started with IAH and DEN bases only and now are scheduling more pilots from the other bases to either go to MAX training by itself, or incorporating it into their recurrent training. Originally we could only build any MAX flying trips out of those bases. Having some pilots qualified on MAX but others not can also make things difficult in the middle of the operation when we are reassigning crews or swapping aircraft same day. As more pilots get qualified, you'll see more variety in the MAX schedules.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Sun May 23, 2021 10:52 pm

VC10er wrote:
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dcajet wrote:
Between June 5th and August 1st, United is suspending its Houston IAH - Rio de Janeiro GIG route. Currently operated 5x w with 763ER; daily service from GRU to IAH will continue as scheduled. The GIG route is heavily patronized by the oil industry, hence the summer suspension as traffic drops and with little other traffic to make up for it.

https://www.aviacionline.com/2021/05/un ... e-janeiro/


I go to Rio often. But I usually fly United in and out of SDU (Santos Dumont) from GRU (usually AZUL) Will UA keep that tag over to Rio from São Paulo? I cannot imagine cutting off Rio de Janeiro completely?


They won’t cancel it for good but it makes sense for the summer.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 24, 2021 12:25 pm

ScorpioMC3 wrote:
A lot of it has to do with getting pilots re-qualified on the MAX. We started with IAH and DEN bases only and now are scheduling more pilots from the other bases to either go to MAX training by itself, or incorporating it into their recurrent training. Originally we could only build any MAX flying trips out of those bases. Having some pilots qualified on MAX but others not can also make things difficult in the middle of the operation when we are reassigning crews or swapping aircraft same day. As more pilots get qualified, you'll see more variety in the MAX schedules.


Exactly.

We had a situation this past weekend in DEN where thunderstorms and hail cause a pretty lengthy ground stop at DEN and of course after hail passes over an airport mechanics have to inspect every aircraft. Long story short United was operating a MAX on one of our DEN-SFO frequencies, the aircraft is finally cleared by maintenance and in line for takeoff but the flight crew runs out of time and they couldn't extend because they had already extended to max CCO. United had no other MAX qualified pilots available on short notice but we did have several 737NG crews available and willing/volunteered to work the flight. United ended up bringing the MAX back to the gate and did a plane change from a MAX9 to 739ER so we could get our passengers on their way to SFO.

The MAX situation really comes down to training and getting more crews qualified on the MAX, once that happens (and it already is) we will see the MAX stretch it wings and start taking over on some longer domestic routes.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 24, 2021 1:28 pm

Given UA's hub network and for a small fleet of 30, it's best to send them hub-to-hub such that if a problem arises, it doesn't happen at an outstation. Once crews are trained up and teething issues are behind (I assume this nearly the case now), only then does it make sense to route them more freely.

The LEAP B engines are optimized for shorter hops as well (more-so than A321). The maintenance cost per cycle (takeoff) is less than CFM56, especially in the case of the 9ER as those are really pushing the -7's limits and they tend to wear quicker.

As long as the utilization is relatively high, which is usually doable on hub-to-hub, they're getting value out of the new design. The ANC route will is the shiney example of "new capabilities demonstration" (although Copa has already thoroughly proven the range ability of the Max9).
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 24, 2021 2:14 pm

UA making equipment changes on hub-to-Hawaii routes, with 777-300ERs on ORD-HNL, LAX-HNL, SFO-HNL, and 767-400ERs replacing 767-300ERs on EWR/IAD to HNL, SFO-LIH going to 767-300ER. The full changes here:

EWR-HNL goes to 767-400ER in August
IAD-HNL goes to 767-400ER in July
LAX-HNL goes 2 x daily 777-300ER in July, 1 x daily 777-300ER
ORD-HNL goes 777-300ER from July to Sept
SFO-HNL goes 4 x daily 777-300ER in July, 1 77W in August, 1 767-300ER in July, 777-200ER twice daily in July, every other day in August
SFO-LIH goes 1 x daily 767-300ER in July
SFO-OGG goes 1 x daily 777-200ER in July
SFO-KOA goes 1 x daily 767-300ER in July

The 767-400ERs will be a downgrade on EWR as the 763s were high density Polaris, and now going to legacy CO 767 cabins. The 764s have been in LTS since last year and none have been Polaris'd yet.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 24, 2021 2:19 pm

does anyone know when the florida P2P routes (MCO, TPA, FLL, RSW) will be bookable and where they will go from?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 24, 2021 3:57 pm

ContinentalEWR wrote:
UA making equipment changes on hub-to-Hawaii routes, with 777-300ERs on ORD-HNL, LAX-HNL, SFO-HNL, and 767-400ERs replacing 767-300ERs on EWR/IAD to HNL, SFO-LIH going to 767-300ER. The full changes here:

EWR-HNL goes to 767-400ER in August
IAD-HNL goes to 767-400ER in July
LAX-HNL goes 2 x daily 777-300ER in July, 1 x daily 777-300ER
ORD-HNL goes 777-300ER from July to Sept
SFO-HNL goes 4 x daily 777-300ER in July, 1 77W in August, 1 767-300ER in July, 777-200ER twice daily in July, every other day in August
SFO-LIH goes 1 x daily 767-300ER in July
SFO-OGG goes 1 x daily 777-200ER in July
SFO-KOA goes 1 x daily 767-300ER in July

The 767-400ERs will be a downgrade on EWR as the 763s were high density Polaris, and now going to legacy CO 767 cabins. The 764s have been in LTS since last year and none have been Polaris'd yet.



*Slaps Southwest on the wrist*

Agreed on the 767-400s, they’re not the best in terms of hard product but probably a cheaper way to increase seats.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 24, 2021 4:21 pm

avi8 wrote:
ContinentalEWR wrote:
UA making equipment changes on hub-to-Hawaii routes, with 777-300ERs on ORD-HNL, LAX-HNL, SFO-HNL, and 767-400ERs replacing 767-300ERs on EWR/IAD to HNL, SFO-LIH going to 767-300ER. The full changes here:

EWR-HNL goes to 767-400ER in August
IAD-HNL goes to 767-400ER in July
LAX-HNL goes 2 x daily 777-300ER in July, 1 x daily 777-300ER
ORD-HNL goes 777-300ER from July to Sept
SFO-HNL goes 4 x daily 777-300ER in July, 1 77W in August, 1 767-300ER in July, 777-200ER twice daily in July, every other day in August
SFO-LIH goes 1 x daily 767-300ER in July
SFO-OGG goes 1 x daily 777-200ER in July
SFO-KOA goes 1 x daily 767-300ER in July

The 767-400ERs will be a downgrade on EWR as the 763s were high density Polaris, and now going to legacy CO 767 cabins. The 764s have been in LTS since last year and none have been Polaris'd yet.


The demand is there for sure to Hawaii so I can see UA filling the 767-400ER without issue (it's actually the plane that has been most often used on EWR/IAD to HNL nonstop) though the 767-300ER has also been placed on these routes before. I'm not sure WN factors in all entirely here. Sure, they're responding but demand to Hawaii is super strong right now and into the summer, and UA needs to put those 77W's somewhere. Same issue with AA. They are flying them on many domestic turns, but not to Hawaii. The cargo demand to Hawaii is also likely a factor.

*Slaps Southwest on the wrist*

Agreed on the 767-400s, they’re not the best in terms of hard product but probably a cheaper way to increase seats.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 24, 2021 10:00 pm

Random question: How come United's 757-200s have scimitar winglets but the 753s don't?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 24, 2021 11:13 pm

ContinentalEWR wrote:
UA making equipment changes on hub-to-Hawaii routes, with 777-300ERs on ORD-HNL, LAX-HNL, SFO-HNL, and 767-400ERs replacing 767-300ERs on EWR/IAD to HNL, SFO-LIH going to 767-300ER. The full changes here:

EWR-HNL goes to 767-400ER in August
IAD-HNL goes to 767-400ER in July
LAX-HNL goes 2 x daily 777-300ER in July, 1 x daily 777-300ER
ORD-HNL goes 777-300ER from July to Sept
SFO-HNL goes 4 x daily 777-300ER in July, 1 77W in August, 1 767-300ER in July, 777-200ER twice daily in July, every other day in August
SFO-LIH goes 1 x daily 767-300ER in July
SFO-OGG goes 1 x daily 777-200ER in July
SFO-KOA goes 1 x daily 767-300ER in July

The 767-400ERs will be a downgrade on EWR as the 763s were high density Polaris, and now going to legacy CO 767 cabins. The 764s have been in LTS since last year and none have been Polaris'd yet.


It is going to be nice to see the 77W on ORD-HNL, UA's 788s just don't have enough seats to meet demand especially over the summer and probably not during the Christmas travel season.
The 764s are a let down especially for customers who are booking in business class as these don't have Polaris seats but the 77W is to much aircraft for both EWR and IAD- HNL routes. So the 764 is UA's only option to increase capacity without dumping to much capacity on those routes.

But what I'm more concerned with is UA's long term plan for Hawaii, I want to know what the fleet plan is. I know United isn't going to tip their hand right now and there are still a lot of issues to be worked out with out as it pertains to the 77A fleet. Having said that there is a part of me that hopes it does not include going back to IPTE and the less than stellar coach product found on our 77As. And if I'm really being honest I must say part of me hopes the 77As don't come back, it is time for UA to move on from the product found on those aircraft. With the 787-10 order UA placed just before the pandemic in 2020 and the the 764s (hopefully UA installs Polaris/PE at some point) there should be enough widebodies in our fleet to just say good by to the 77As for good.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Tue May 25, 2021 12:45 am

jayunited wrote:
ContinentalEWR wrote:
UA making equipment changes on hub-to-Hawaii routes, with 777-300ERs on ORD-HNL, LAX-HNL, SFO-HNL, and 767-400ERs replacing 767-300ERs on EWR/IAD to HNL, SFO-LIH going to 767-300ER. The full changes here:

EWR-HNL goes to 767-400ER in August
IAD-HNL goes to 767-400ER in July
LAX-HNL goes 2 x daily 777-300ER in July, 1 x daily 777-300ER
ORD-HNL goes 777-300ER from July to Sept
SFO-HNL goes 4 x daily 777-300ER in July, 1 77W in August, 1 767-300ER in July, 777-200ER twice daily in July, every other day in August
SFO-LIH goes 1 x daily 767-300ER in July
SFO-OGG goes 1 x daily 777-200ER in July
SFO-KOA goes 1 x daily 767-300ER in July

The 767-400ERs will be a downgrade on EWR as the 763s were high density Polaris, and now going to legacy CO 767 cabins. The 764s have been in LTS since last year and none have been Polaris'd yet.


It is going to be nice to see the 77W on ORD-HNL, UA's 788s just don't have enough seats to meet demand especially over the summer and probably not during the Christmas travel season.
The 764s are a let down especially for customers who are booking in business class as these don't have Polaris seats but the 77W is to much aircraft for both EWR and IAD- HNL routes. So the 764 is UA's only option to increase capacity without dumping to much capacity on those routes.

But what I'm more concerned with is UA's long term plan for Hawaii, I want to know what the fleet plan is. I know United isn't going to tip their hand right now and there are still a lot of issues to be worked out with out as it pertains to the 77A fleet. Having said that there is a part of me that hopes it does not include going back to IPTE and the less than stellar coach product found on our 77As. And if I'm really being honest I must say part of me hopes the 77As don't come back, it is time for UA to move on from the product found on those aircraft. With the 787-10 order UA placed just before the pandemic in 2020 and the the 764s (hopefully UA installs Polaris/PE at some point) there should be enough widebodies in our fleet to just say good by to the 77As for good.


Yes, the 77W is too much plane for EWR/IAD to HNL. I suspect the 777As are not quite done yet, but an accelerated retirement isn't out of the realm of possibility either. The 767-400ER seems like the right aircraft for a lot of Hawaii service from LAX/SFO/DEN and EWR/IAD. The 764s have traditionally been the capacity lift for TATL, out of EWR/IAD while also the capacity down gauge on 777 routes in the winter time for select markets on TATL. It might save UA some coin to keep them with the legacy BusinessFirst cabins which are a decent upgrade over the 777A premium cabin, though the 764 is a capacity reduction. The 787-10s, 777-200ER (GE), a handful of 77Ws (DEL/BOM + TLV), plus the 763s should help cover TATL and shift the 764 to hub to hub and Hawaii.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Tue May 25, 2021 1:04 am

maps4ltd wrote:
Random question: How come United's 757-200s have scimitar winglets but the 753s don't?


When the 757s with blended winglets were retrofitted with the split scimitar winglets, the project at the time was limited to the 752. There was no word at the time on the 753s. It may have been a cost move, as the 753s mostly fly within the contiguous 48 and West Coast to Hawaii and perhaps the expense was not worth it for a sub fleet but I am not sure.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Tue May 25, 2021 1:12 am

ContinentalEWR wrote:
maps4ltd wrote:
Random question: How come United's 757-200s have scimitar winglets but the 753s don't?


When the 757s with blended winglets were retrofitted with the split scimitar winglets, the project at the time was limited to the 752. There was no word at the time on the 753s. It may have been a cost move, as the 753s mostly fly within the contiguous 48 and West Coast to Hawaii and perhaps the expense was not worth it for a sub fleet but I am not sure.

The supplemental type certificate (STC) was never developed for the 753, as the one-time certification cost is too high for just 16 DL and 21 UA frames, and would outweigh any potential fuel savings. There's no other 753 operator in the world with more than just a few frames, thus I doubt we will ever get the scimitar tip on the 753 winglets.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Tue May 25, 2021 1:18 am

United857 wrote:
ContinentalEWR wrote:
maps4ltd wrote:
Random question: How come United's 757-200s have scimitar winglets but the 753s don't?


When the 757s with blended winglets were retrofitted with the split scimitar winglets, the project at the time was limited to the 752. There was no word at the time on the 753s. It may have been a cost move, as the 753s mostly fly within the contiguous 48 and West Coast to Hawaii and perhaps the expense was not worth it for a sub fleet but I am not sure.

The supplemental type certificate (STC) was never developed for the 753, as the one-time certification cost is too high for just 16 DL and 21 UA frames, and would outweigh any potential fuel savings. There's no other 753 operator in the world with more than just a few frames, thus I doubt we will ever get the scimitar tip on the 753 winglets.


That makes a lot of sense.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Tue May 25, 2021 11:53 am

In addition to upgauging some Hawaii flights this July United is also planning on using 77Es to both LAS and MCO this July.

ORD-MCO 77E 1x daily
EWR-LAS 77E 1x daily

The frequency on both routes remains the same its just a 77E replaced a 752 on ORD-MCO and a 77E replaced a 739ER on EWR-LAS.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Tue May 25, 2021 12:26 pm

Serious upgrade on both those routes.

Obviously the advance bookings will determine the guage of aircraft on the route, but the yield to leisure markets such as these has to be minimal.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Tue May 25, 2021 12:35 pm

United857 wrote:
ContinentalEWR wrote:
maps4ltd wrote:
Random question: How come United's 757-200s have scimitar winglets but the 753s don't?


When the 757s with blended winglets were retrofitted with the split scimitar winglets, the project at the time was limited to the 752. There was no word at the time on the 753s. It may have been a cost move, as the 753s mostly fly within the contiguous 48 and West Coast to Hawaii and perhaps the expense was not worth it for a sub fleet but I am not sure.

The supplemental type certificate (STC) was never developed for the 753, as the one-time certification cost is too high for just 16 DL and 21 UA frames, and would outweigh any potential fuel savings. There's no other 753 operator in the world with more than just a few frames, thus I doubt we will ever get the scimitar tip on the 753 winglets.

While I knew that about the 753, I have never thought about the cost for the 752, and who else benefited from it. What other airlines use the scimitars on 752's other than UA? Did they pay for the certification themselves (Obviously through the company that manufactures them)?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Tue May 25, 2021 12:37 pm

jayunited wrote:
In addition to upgauging some Hawaii flights this July United is also planning on using 77Es to both LAS and MCO this July.

ORD-MCO 77E 1x daily
EWR-LAS 77E 1x daily

The frequency on both routes remains the same its just a 77E replaced a 752 on ORD-MCO and a 77E replaced a 739ER on EWR-LAS.


Surprised they haven’t made their way to MCO yet.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Tue May 25, 2021 12:56 pm

dcajet wrote:
VC10er wrote:
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dcajet wrote:
Between June 5th and August 1st, United is suspending its Houston IAH - Rio de Janeiro GIG route. Currently operated 5x w with 763ER; daily service from GRU to IAH will continue as scheduled. The GIG route is heavily patronized by the oil industry, hence the summer suspension as traffic drops and with little other traffic to make up for it.

https://www.aviacionline.com/2021/05/un ... e-janeiro/


I go to Rio often. But I usually fly United in and out of SDU (Santos Dumont) from GRU (usually AZUL) Will UA keep that tag over to Rio from São Paulo? I cannot imagine cutting off Rio de Janeiro completely?


The IAH - GIG flight exists mostly due to demand generated by the oil industry. If that goes away for a while, it would be hard for UA to justify the flight when GRU is right around the corner and has stronger business and leisure demand. I can´t imagine UA operating a domestic tag within Brazil when they have a partnership with Azul. For the time being it appears this is just a temporary service suspension. Long term, it is hard to predict, depending on the lingering effects of the pandemic and how fast Rio´s economy recuperates; it was already on thin ice before COVID..


I have been flying fly to Rio on United for nearly 28 years and continued after UA moved to EWR. About 10 years ago there were 2 options started: 1: EWR to IAH to GIG, the second option (and the one I took most frequently) was 2: EWR to GRU to SDU. The “tag” over to Santos Dumont is operated by a few different airlines, and you do not know which airline it will be until you start the booking process. The UA website would say “GRU to SDU operated by GOL (vrg), Azul or LATAM (and before that TAM). I could never figure out how UA negotiated with all 3 of these airlines to fly their Rio bound passengers to both GIG or SDU.

Depending on where you are going in the RJ area, if you are heading to Zona Sul (beaches etc) or downtown, having a tag from GRU over to Santos Dumont is absolutely awesome! I have an apartment in Copacabana and it’s about 15 minutes by taxi from SDU. I think if more peeps knew of the tag to Santos Dumont, it would be used more (especially for tourists and business people)

All I wanted to check on was: if UA cancels the IAH/GIG nonstop for August, will that effect the EWR nonstop to GRU, and retain the tag to SDU or GIG?. (I assume that UA staff will not be at GIG for August, but UA does not need to staff the tag if it’s operated by an entirely different airline.

My DREAM would be an EWR to SDU nonstop on an A321XLR! (But the A321XLR doesn’t have the range, does it?)
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Tue May 25, 2021 1:14 pm

VC10er wrote:
My DREAM would be an EWR to SDU nonstop on an A321XLR! (But the A321XLR doesn’t have the range, does it?)


EWR-SDU, sure... but it's not going to make it back to EWR out of SDU!

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