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c933103 wrote:All of the following are my personal observation and opinion of all the events that have occurred in the past years, please feel free to point out anything that I'm wrong with it. Also please do not ask for source of any of them because they are personal observation and perspective of multiple events, and they are not meant to be any objective fact
The current US government actually inherited quite a lot of foreign policy direction set by the previous government term, while optimizing a number of them.
But one thing they are optimizing which I don't see the point is their relationship with the government of China.
The previous government initially focus on trade and North Korea when it come to relationship with China, with Trump attempting to form trade deal with China in the cinematic acting of trade war, but the relationship deteriorate into the year 2020, which saw China signing the phase 1 trade deal with the United States amid the ongoing pandemic inside their territory which have result in delay in trade deal implementation that should have been anticipated, but more importantly the Chinese government managed to persuade the US president at the time that the pandemic will soon be over which turns out not to be the case and caused him to refuse further talk and discussion with China, and the relationship between two countries significantly worsen.
Into the year 2020, the US government under the new presidential term have refocused their approach with China, emphasizing issues like human right and diplomacy, which have been covered but isn't being emphasized by the previous administration, but the current administration also trying to have discussion with China and such on topics like climates.
It took the previous administration three years and a pandemic to realize that China isn't a partner worth making agreement is as their government isn't one that can keep promise, but then here with the new administration it seems like they're going back trying to make deal with it, as Biden plan to organize climate talk with China.
When will the current administration learn that, no matter aspects, the current government of China isn't something which can be held accountable by international talk, treaty and agreement?
How much time will each US government in the future need to take to learn about it?
Yes, indeed, climate change is an important topic to the whole human society, and it goes beyond all political difference between human nations, that everyone needs to work together to overcome the challenge, but what use will there be in international cooperation agreement if the one who you are talking with isn't going to follow through what they promise to do?
c933103 wrote:It took the previous administration three years and a pandemic to realize that China isn't a partner worth making agreement is as their government isn't one that can keep promise,
c933103 wrote:It took the previous administration three years and a pandemic to realize that China isn't a partner worth making agreement is as their government isn't one that can keep promise
sierrakilo44 wrote:c933103 wrote:It took the previous administration three years and a pandemic to realize that China isn't a partner worth making agreement is as their government isn't one that can keep promise
As the US between 2017 and 2021 had a government which pulled out of and broke promises to uphold international agreements left right and centre like the Iran Nuclear deal and the Paris Climate agreement. It’s all better now with Biden? Just wait until the next GOP administration get in, now the party is the party of Trumpists.
Whereas China for the most part delivers promised infrastructure projects on time. All the BRI initiatives seem to be built promptly. A neutral third party nation will probably appreciate this business like efficiency and stability rather than America’s tossing between slightly sane Democratic Presidents and totally insane Republicans.
WIederling wrote:c933103 wrote:It took the previous administration three years and a pandemic to realize that China isn't a partner worth making agreement is as their government isn't one that can keep promise,
You still need to show some examples/proof in that domain giving substance to your claim.
tommy1808 wrote:Their adherence to United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea is also more than just questionable....
Aaron747 wrote:sierrakilo44 wrote:c933103 wrote:It took the previous administration three years and a pandemic to realize that China isn't a partner worth making agreement is as their government isn't one that can keep promise
As the US between 2017 and 2021 had a government which pulled out of and broke promises to uphold international agreements left right and centre like the Iran Nuclear deal and the Paris Climate agreement. It’s all better now with Biden? Just wait until the next GOP administration get in, now the party is the party of Trumpists.
Whereas China for the most part delivers promised infrastructure projects on time. All the BRI initiatives seem to be built promptly. A neutral third party nation will probably appreciate this business like efficiency and stability rather than America’s tossing between slightly sane Democratic Presidents and totally insane Republicans.
BRI is arguably based on the same infra-for-influence policy the US pursued in various countries in the 1960s
WIederling wrote:tommy1808 wrote:Their adherence to United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea is also more than just questionable....
Throw first stone when you are innocent
All the UN VETO powers, up front the US, have ignored anything they signed on occasion .. or in most cases.
The US uses it solely for pressuring other nations afaics.
Compare the Popanz done around Navalny vs their own activities in Guantanamo and against whistle blowers
( citizens but also people not under their jurisdiction ).
continue into various invasions and bombings of places they are not at a declared war with. ...
China (and Russia neither) is not the elephant in the room in that domain.
acecrackshot wrote:Aaron747 wrote:sierrakilo44 wrote:
As the US between 2017 and 2021 had a government which pulled out of and broke promises to uphold international agreements left right and centre like the Iran Nuclear deal and the Paris Climate agreement. It’s all better now with Biden? Just wait until the next GOP administration get in, now the party is the party of Trumpists.
Whereas China for the most part delivers promised infrastructure projects on time. All the BRI initiatives seem to be built promptly. A neutral third party nation will probably appreciate this business like efficiency and stability rather than America’s tossing between slightly sane Democratic Presidents and totally insane Republicans.
BRI is arguably based on the same infra-for-influence policy the US pursued in various countries in the 1960s
What ownership stakes did the US government or proxies retain under the policy you describe?
sierrakilo44 wrote:c933103 wrote:It took the previous administration three years and a pandemic to realize that China isn't a partner worth making agreement is as their government isn't one that can keep promise
As the US between 2017 and 2021 had a government which pulled out of and broke promises to uphold international agreements left right and centre like the Iran Nuclear deal and the Paris Climate agreement. It’s all better now with Biden? Just wait until the next GOP administration get in, now the party is the party of Trumpists.
Whereas China for the most part delivers promised infrastructure projects on time. All the BRI initiatives seem to be built promptly. A neutral third party nation will probably appreciate this business like efficiency and stability rather than America’s tossing between slightly sane Democratic Presidents and totally insane Republicans.
WIederling wrote:I don't believe that tommy1808 is an American, but I could be wrong. I've always thought that he was German.tommy1808 wrote:Their adherence to United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea is also more than just questionable....
Throw first stone when you are innocent
All the UN VETO powers, up front the US, have ignored anything they signed on occasion .. or in most cases.
The US uses it solely for pressuring other nations afaics.
Compare the Popanz done around Navalny vs their own activities in Guantanamo and against whistle blowers
( citizens but also people not under their jurisdiction ).
continue into various invasions and bombings of places they are not at a declared war with. ...
China (and Russia neither) is not the elephant in the room in that domain.
johns624 wrote:WIederling wrote:I don't believe that tommy1808 is an American, but I could be wrong. I've always thought that he was German.tommy1808 wrote:Their adherence to United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea is also more than just questionable....
Throw first stone when you are innocent
All the UN VETO powers, up front the US, have ignored anything they signed on occasion .. or in most cases.
The US uses it solely for pressuring other nations afaics.
Compare the Popanz done around Navalny vs their own activities in Guantanamo and against whistle blowers
( citizens but also people not under their jurisdiction ).
continue into various invasions and bombings of places they are not at a declared war with. ...
China (and Russia neither) is not the elephant in the room in that domain.
tommy1808 wrote:Could you please tell my wife that I was right about something?johns624 wrote:WIederling wrote:I don't believe that tommy1808 is an American, but I could be wrong. I've always thought that he was German.
Throw first stone when you are innocent
All the UN VETO powers, up front the US, have ignored anything they signed on occasion .. or in most cases.
The US uses it solely for pressuring other nations afaics.
Compare the Popanz done around Navalny vs their own activities in Guantanamo and against whistle blowers
( citizens but also people not under their jurisdiction ).
continue into various invasions and bombings of places they are not at a declared war with. ...
China (and Russia neither) is not the elephant in the room in that domain.
And you would be right.
Best regards
Thomas
frmrCapCadet wrote:Climate might be the one area where China and US interests coincide. At this time the US is utterly dependent upon Chinese goods or material, to a lesser degree the opposite is true. The US's current government is seeking an industrial policy which will reduce that dependence. In addition Trump's abandonment of the TPP has been a disaster, and Biden is seeking reestablishing alliances with our true allies throughout the western Pacific and south Asia.
Aaron747 wrote:I understand if you are laser focused on the PRC as a Taiwanese/HK national (I gathered from previous posts),