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Movie Adaptation of Books

Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:56 am

With notable exceptions...I'm sure you'll fill in your own...movie adaptations of books typically don't live up to the book.

I bring this up because I just watched Without Remorse. Now, I'm a fan of Tom Clancy's books and thought Without Remorse was one of his best.

The only things Without Remorse (the movie) has in common with Without Remorse (the book) are its title and some of the character names. You couldn't even stretch the plot of the movie to match the book's or vice-versa. I was quite disappointed.

Rant over.

Without Remorse, the movie, is a good action pic. Plot's a little far-fetched, but it serves the old "bad government actor trying to start some stuff" trope that's been used plenty of times in the past.
 
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Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:13 am

Patriot Games, C&PD and Red October are far better Clancy adaptations. Misery and The Mist are the best King adaptations. LA Confidential and Out of Africa are also among my favorite adaptations. The Fly wasn't bad either - I love the Jurassic Park book series but the movies had way too many substantive changes for my taste.
 
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Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:15 am

The movie version of the Neverending Story was bad. Although some people love it for its cult status.
I still hope Disney does a remake.
 
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Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:26 am

The Movie version of Rita Hayworth and the Shawshank Redemption was rather awesome.


Ender's game totally blew it.

TC's the Sum of all Fears was horrible.
 
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Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:23 am

I find its hit and miss.

Sometimes, the books are much better than the movie, and other times, the movie is better than the book.

With the DaVinci Code, I found the book to be much better, but with Angles and Demons, the movie was way better because they cut a lot out, like the part with the Vatican's secret HyperJet.

Same with Steven King, even though a lot of the adaptations stray far from the books, I find for the most part, the movie adaptions are just as good in their own right.
 
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Thu Oct 07, 2021 6:16 am

Stephen King is brought up a lot with movie adaptations. For me, Misery is the clear winner. An amazing film that captured the tense atmosphere of the book.

How about a movie that far surpasses the book? I'm going to say Forrest Gump. Although there's so many differences that it's sometimes a stretch to say it's based on the novel.
 
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Thu Oct 07, 2021 6:48 am

It's hard for me to say whether a film is better than a book, or vice versa, because I see them as two different things. One is more a mental exercise where your mind imagines the reality of the written words and can take anything from half a day to a week or more to complete. The other attempts to appeal both visually and auditory in addition to telling a story and is over typically within 100 minutes or so.

A film needs a cast, a wardrobe, a director, perhaps visual effects, sound engineering, editing and a budget to cover all of the above on top of the base story (which of course also goes through significant editing) which has to be converted into a workable screenplay.

To say that a book is better than a movie is almost like saying that 10 minutes is better than a giraffe. They don't directly compare and the elements that might compare are typically subjective. Having said that, there are books that I've enjoyed more than their movie adaptation and, less so, movies that I've enjoyed more than the book (The Shawshank Redemption being a previously quoted good example).
 
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Thu Oct 07, 2021 10:15 am

It is a very rare event for me to find a film better than the original book. The Tom Clancy films and books spring to mind straight away. The draw of the book for me is that I can get lost into the actual story being told and picture the events in my mind. This extends to visualising the events taking place (especially when the Authors are good at descriptions of what the principal is feeling at a particular time). There are some Authors where films just cannot be allowed to be made though. Whilst some would say that Matthew Reilly books should be turned into films the story lines would be (I feel) too complicated for translation into a film. The book allows so much more of the back story to come out which is what draws me to read the story.
 
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Thu Oct 07, 2021 10:26 am

I thought "Into the Wild" was a great movie adaption of the book.
 
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Thu Oct 07, 2021 11:12 am

The Godfather left out one or two subplots from Mario Puzzo’s novel but otherwise stayed incredibly faithful to the book.

Gone with the Wind is also very faithful to the novel. Just due to sheer length it removes a few subplots such as Scarlett had other children but the story was otherwise the same.
 
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Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:01 pm

For recent books, The Martian movie did a good job of representing what was in the book and overall hued to it. One that completely missed it for me though was Ready Player One. The movie was more "inspired by" than accurate to the book.

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Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:30 pm

luckyone wrote:
The Godfather left out one or two subplots from Mario Puzzo’s novel but otherwise stayed incredibly faithful to the book.

Gone with the Wind is also very faithful to the novel. Just due to sheer length it removes a few subplots such as Scarlett had other children but the story was otherwise the same.


The subplots left out are pretty interesting - one IIRC are stories told to Michael in Sicily about the brutal nature of Luca Brasi - he killed an unwanted child he had with a prostitute. This would make the audience think he really got his just desserts had it been in the film. Another is that Michael avenges Apollonia's death by putting a hit on Fabrizio. I think also in the book Apollonia was pregnant at the time of the car bombing.
 
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Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:55 pm

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luckyone wrote:
The Godfather left out one or two subplots from Mario Puzzo’s novel but otherwise stayed incredibly faithful to the book.

Gone with the Wind is also very faithful to the novel. Just due to sheer length it removes a few subplots such as Scarlett had other children but the story was otherwise the same.


The subplots left out are pretty interesting - one IIRC are stories told to Michael in Sicily about the brutal nature of Luca Brasi - he killed an unwanted child he had with a prostitute. This would make the audience think he really got his just desserts had it been in the film. Another is that Michael avenges Apollonia's death by putting a hit on Fabrizio. I think also in the book Apollonia was pregnant at the time of the car bombing.

I believe you're right about the pregnancy. I'd forgotten about the Luca Brasi elaborations, though in the movie Michael does mention a pretty gnarly deed done by Luca, so we knew he wasn't exactly a saint. There's also a subplot about the godson Johnny Fontaine who plays a much more prominent role in the book. The movie producer comes across as a much more abominable character in the book and this subplot makes it a little clearer why Fredo ended up in Vegas. I don't think the movie's rationalization of this charcter changed the spirit of the book in any way though. Now...I feel the need to reread this book!
 
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Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:04 pm

In my opinion, it's always better to see the movie first, then read the book, if possible. That way, you won't be disappointed, but might actually be surprised by how much more is in the book.

Aaron747 wrote:
Patriot Games, C&PD and Red October are far better Clancy adaptations.


Red October is one case where I actually like the movie better than the book. The book felt too long and a bit confusing, honestly.

luckyone wrote:
The Godfather left out one or two subplots from Mario Puzzo’s novel but otherwise stayed incredibly faithful to the book.


To an extent. But I found Michael Corleone in the book to be a much more sympathetic character than Michael Corleone in the movie. In retrospect, I think the movie made him seem a bit too cutthroat.

luckyone wrote:
Gone with the Wind is also very faithful to the novel. Just due to sheer length it removes a few subplots such as Scarlett had other children but the story was otherwise the same.


That's one where I definitely wish I had seen the movie before reading the book. Because after reading the book, it's nearly impossible to enjoy the movie, as SO MUCH is missing (out of necessity, of course).
 
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Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:25 pm

I think that Winnie the Pooh by Disney in 1966 was a good adaptation. :thumbsup:
 
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Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:28 pm

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Red October is one case where I actually like the movie better than the book. The book felt too long and a bit confusing, honestly.

Agreed. I also felt that way about The First Wives Club. The book was frankly, corny and way too campy.
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To an extent. But I found Michael Corleone in the book to be a much more sympathetic character than Michael Corleone in the movie. In retrospect, I think the movie made him seem a bit too cutthroat.

Do you think a lot of that actually comes from Part II, where indeed he's one of the most unsympathetic protagonists cinema has ever seen?
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That's one where I definitely wish I had seen the movie before reading the book. Because after reading the book, it's nearly impossible to enjoy the movie, as SO MUCH is missing (out of necessity, of course).

The movie also (predictably) camps up the inherent racial issues present in the novel. The novel makes it more of an observer's narration of an attitude rather than an endorsement of it--it doesn't ignore it, doesn't comment on it, rather just describes it. The movie, for all the obvious reasons, couldn't and didn't do that. The novel, I think, is a lot more unsympathetic to Scarlett as we have a direct line into her vanity and narcissism. The novel also makes her sort of a proto-feminist, unintentionally, which the movie doesn't really reflect because we don't have direct access to Scarlett's narrative. So while the story doesn't really change, the sociopolitical nuances that don't change the story arc are completely lost.
 
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Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:37 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
Patriot Games, C&PD and Red October are far better Clancy adaptations. Misery and The Mist are the best King adaptations. LA Confidential and Out of Africa are also among my favorite adaptations. The Fly wasn't bad either - I love the Jurassic Park book series but the movies had way too many substantive changes for my taste.

The Hunt for Red October is both my favorite book and my favorite movie. Definitely significant differences between the two, but each is fine the way it is.
 
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Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:49 pm

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Do you think a lot of that actually comes from Part II, where indeed he's one of the most unsympathetic protagonists cinema has ever seen?


No, I'm thinking solely of Part I.

I actually kind of wish they'd never made a Part II. I feel like the novel ends with Michael still an inherently good guy, and decent family man. But the movie Part II sort of erases that.

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The novel, I think, is a lot more unsympathetic to Scarlett as we have a direct line into her vanity and narcissism.


No question. For the movie, they probably felt that they needed to cast her more as the victim. The book does a great job, I think, of showing both her occasional goodness, and her utter selfishness and ruthlessness. She's quite a complex character.
 
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Thu Oct 07, 2021 6:06 pm

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luckyone wrote:
Do you think a lot of that actually comes from Part II, where indeed he's one of the most unsympathetic protagonists cinema has ever seen?


No, I'm thinking solely of Part I.

I actually kind of wish they'd never made a Part II. I feel like the novel ends with Michael still an inherently good guy, and decent family man. But the movie Part II sort of erases that.

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The novel, I think, is a lot more unsympathetic to Scarlett as we have a direct line into her vanity and narcissism.


No question. For the movie, they probably felt that they needed to cast her more as the victim. The book does a great job, I think, of showing both her occasional goodness, and her utter selfishness and ruthlessness. She's quite a complex character.

I remember as an adolescent identifying with Scarlett to a point. She was surrounded people who kept up a lot of pretenses and ran from reality -- and she and had no patience for it and resented being punished for being honest while flailingly trying to maneuver her way through it. That certainly described a formative part of my upbringing. As an adult I identify more with Rhett Butler who just doesn't give any f***s about people's self-imposed limitations and has figured out away to work around them, while being amused by people's stupidity. Alexandra Ripley's sequel tried to mature her -- opinions vary on the success. The miniseries adaptation was atrocious, at least the second half of it.
 
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Thu Oct 07, 2021 8:25 pm

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For recent books, The Martian movie did a good job of representing what was in the book and overall hued to it. One that completely missed it for me though was Ready Player One. The movie was more "inspired by" than accurate to the book.

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The Martian did an ok job - but it deviated from it considerably, which is why I preferred the book.

A few of the deviations:

* The Hab is too big in the film - in the book hes struggling for space to grow sufficient potato plants to survive (to the point where he has to use some bunks as well, and considered using the popup tents), in the film he has abundant space and could grow significantly more plants than required as time went on

* Theres absolutely no mention of the bacteria in the soil required to grow Earth food, until a throwaway line after the airlock event later on - at which point it makes no sense because you haven't been told why thats important

* Lots more innovative science going on in the book, such as heat issues in the rover, making of water, doubling usable soil etc

* Lets use duck tape to fix the cracked helmet visor and completely skip a really good bit of innovation in the book...

* Watney has continuous contact with Earth from the moment he retrieves the lander to the point at which he leaves Mars - in the book he loses the lander midway through and has to solve a number of issues himself as a result

* The entire journey between the Hab and the MAV - in the film, its glossed over, in the book there are several significant events Watney has to recover from

* The "Iron Man" rubbish at the end - in the book Watney suggests it but is told no, and its not needed in the end anyway

* The captain having to be the one to take over the post-launch capture from the crew member designated to do it, because ... well, why? The books approach to this is much better.

I like the film, its a good romp, but it doesn't hold a candle to the book.
 
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I watched Thumbelina on Easter Sunday as a kid and purchased a copy of it via Amazon Prime Video.
 
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Thu Oct 07, 2021 9:17 pm

moo wrote:
Tugger wrote:
For recent books, The Martian movie did a good job of representing what was in the book and overall hued to it. One that completely missed it for me though was Ready Player One. The movie was more "inspired by" than accurate to the book.

Tugg


The Martian did an ok job - but it deviated from it considerably, which is why I preferred the book.

A few of the deviations:

* The Hab is too big in the film - in the book hes struggling for space to grow sufficient potato plants to survive (to the point where he has to use some bunks as well, and considered using the popup tents), in the film he has abundant space and could grow significantly more plants than required as time went on

* Theres absolutely no mention of the bacteria in the soil required to grow Earth food, until a throwaway line after the airlock event later on - at which point it makes no sense because you haven't been told why thats important

* Lots more innovative science going on in the book, such as heat issues in the rover, making of water, doubling usable soil etc

* Lets use duck tape to fix the cracked helmet visor and completely skip a really good bit of innovation in the book...

* Watney has continuous contact with Earth from the moment he retrieves the lander to the point at which he leaves Mars - in the book he loses the lander midway through and has to solve a number of issues himself as a result

* The entire journey between the Hab and the MAV - in the film, its glossed over, in the book there are several significant events Watney has to recover from

* The "Iron Man" rubbish at the end - in the book Watney suggests it but is told no, and its not needed in the end anyway

* The captain having to be the one to take over the post-launch capture from the crew member designated to do it, because ... well, why? The books approach to this is much better.

I like the film, its a good romp, but it doesn't hold a candle to the book.


Absolutely agree - I like the movie, but it misses out so much that the book gives.
 
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Wow, iPad completely screwed up that post
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DH106 wrote:
Absolutely agree - I like the movie, but it misses out so much that the book gives.


Which is why I think books are generally better than their movie adaptations. You can add so much more plot line and details to a book. Further, a book allows a certain bit of imagination and fantasy that the movies will tend to wash out, because when it’s on screen, it’s “real”.

HBO did a fantastic job with the first couple of seasons of Game of Thrones. One season devoted to the first book. All the important plot lines and characters were covered, including the political aspects, that would normally get lost in a shorter movie.

I’ve watched the available episodes of AppleTV’s Foundation. I’m interested to see how the series will hold up against the book(s). I read Foundation 40 some-odd years ago, so I purchased a copy to read again when I’m done with my current read…Gates of Fire.
 
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Thu Oct 07, 2021 10:17 pm

fr8mech wrote:
With notable exceptions...I'm sure you'll fill in your own...movie adaptations of books typically don't live up to the book.


I am very visual, so I have a vivid image of a book and a movie does not always work too good with that.
 
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Dutchy wrote:
fr8mech wrote:
With notable exceptions...I'm sure you'll fill in your own...movie adaptations of books typically don't live up to the book.


I am very visual, so I have a vivid image of a book and a movie does not always work too good with that.

If the author is decent and the story catches you, your mind can create almost infinite settings. Add in the "inner thoughts" and other comments oft contained in the written narrative and movies seldom can match a book that engrosses you for several days (or longer depending on your speed).

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Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:06 am

I really like the film "Forrest Gump" of the film director Robert Lee Zemeckis, I watched him a lot of times and there were always pleasant impressions. I recently got a novel Winston Groom "Forrest Gump", I read with great pleasure. The book describes as many interesting and fun adventures that did not enter the film script. I recommend to everyone.
 
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Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:39 am

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The Godfather left out one or two subplots from Mario Puzzo’s novel but otherwise stayed incredibly faithful to the book.


Puzo was quite involved in writing the screenplay. No wonder it's incredibly faithful to the book.

Anyways, I think the TV movie Barbarians at the Gate with James Garner was as good as the book - although to be fair, it's not hard to make a good movie from a business book.
 
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Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:20 pm

The Lord of the Rings trilogy was a travesty. They tried to cram too much into the three films -- and covered it at a dizzying pace -- but there was no way they were going to fill-out the characters, or cover anywhere near the amount of adventures in the books, in a mere nine hours. It would have made a much better TV series -- stretched over a few years.
 
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The Lord of the Rings trilogy was a travesty. They tried to cram too much into the three films -- and covered it at a dizzying pace -- but there was no way they were going to fill-out the characters, or cover anywhere near the amount of adventures in the books, in a mere nine hours. It would have made a much better TV series -- stretched over a few years.

I'm not sure whether it's an issue of editing or just interest on my part...but the only reason I sat through those movies was having seen them with family. Otherwise I would've. I honestly can't recall much of what happened but I recall thinking several times, during each film, "OK, this has to be the end."
 
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The first two movies of How to train your dragon were definitely leagues ahead of the books. Then the third movie got delayed by almost half a decade, so they decided they would guillotine the franchise with it. And it was done, albeit messily and without much regard to most of the subtle details. Only to introduce a corny paw patrol style Viking era spin-off and a Jurassic park spin-off lambasted endlessly through the internet.
 
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The Lord of the Rings trilogy was a travesty. They tried to cram too much into the three films -- and covered it at a dizzying pace -- but there was no way they were going to fill-out the characters, or cover anywhere near the amount of adventures in the books, in a mere nine hours. It would have made a much better TV series -- stretched over a few years.


Interesting view. I actually really like those movies. Of course they're not going to capture nearly all of the books, but you go in expecting that.

I will say, however, that the extended versions released on DVD were even better.

Dutchy wrote:
I am very visual, so I have a vivid image of a book and a movie does not always work too good with that.


For me, that's part of why it's better to see the movie first. Then when you read the book, you can imagine the characters from the movie, which is actually kind of helpful for me.
 
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I will say, however, that the extended versions released on DVD were even better.

I take your word for it, but I'll pass :boggled:. I'm on the same page as luckyone:

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I recall thinking several times, during each film, "OK, this has to be the end."
 
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Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:17 pm

I would say "No Game No Life: Zero" and "Washio Sumi is a Hero" are both great adaption of the books they're from, although both are Japanese animations, amd are adopted from books targeting younger demography
 
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Without question the best two adaptations were on TV, believe it or not. BBC’s series based on John Le Carre’s Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy and Smiley’s People. Great acting from everyone, especially Alec Guinness and Bernard Hepton; direction perfect and true to the books. But, having six episodes makes it easier. I watch it on YT about once a year. Get the right version, not the PBS or Acorn which had some scenes edited out, some important, some not.
 
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I recently saw 'The Tender Bar' and have no idea why the movie was made. The whole thing seems to be about a boy who wants to be writer and has father issues. If it is or was based on a book I don't really see what drove it. Supposed to be memoir.

One more interesting book that was a flop was Eragon. Sadly, it was only in the last few years that I have been introduced to fantasy as literature. While I had read LOTR and Harry Potter hadn't known that fantasy as a literature had its own thing and there are hundreds of writers who write about it and do all kinds of world-building etc. I dunno how many of you have the four books of the Inheritance series but the book is much joyful and satisfying than what we see. The 'actor' who played Eragon was just so stony. There was just no expression from him. I seriously wish somebody goes and makes another attempt because the books themselves are so good. Although it would require a whole lot to bring those ideas into a set, even a virtual one at that. I kept questioning did the actors and directors even read the books. Few months ago, saw this wonderful interview of John Rys Davies who plays the role of Gimli

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNnPE0Hpry8

The most beautiful thing in the interview is when he says that it took him 4 attempts at reading the book before he understood and it was in the fourth reading that he got interested in the characters and actually started to know what that world was all about. My respect for Mr. Rhys went ten-fold as it really takes a big man to say I didn't understand it and actually didn't wanna act in it. I don't think many people could have played the role with the finesse that Mr. Rhys did.

The sad part is actually that most actors nor directors do not really talk about whether they were influenced by the book or not and if they had got influenced then how. That, at least to me would also make for a much enriching experience. Maybe even having a Q&A once just after you see and once maybe 2-3 days afterwards. And this runs both for books as well as movie adaptations.

Also, in LOTR the books espcially the time is much more glacial than in the movie adaptions. For e.g. Frodo Baggins doesn't move for 1.5 year after his uncle has moved out, in the movie they make it seem like almost immediate. Even the love between Arwen and Aragon is somewhat twisted where in the books and whatever shared by Mr. Tolkien, it was Aragon who was actually smitten by Arwen rather than the other way around. The books are just so much more, getting goose-bumps :)
 
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Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:43 am

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With notable exceptions...I'm sure you'll fill in your own...movie adaptations of books typically don't live up to the book.

I bring this up because I just watched Without Remorse. Now, I'm a fan of Tom Clancy's books and thought Without Remorse was one of his best.

The only things Without Remorse (the movie) has in common with Without Remorse (the book) are its title and some of the character names. You couldn't even stretch the plot of the movie to match the book's or vice-versa. I was quite disappointed.

Rant over.

Without Remorse, the movie, is a good action pic. Plot's a little far-fetched, but it serves the old "bad government actor trying to start some stuff" trope that's been used plenty of times in the past.


I think the biggest "Problem" with Clancy adaptations is that they do have so, so much story in them. Even the shorter books, like Patriot Games, have way, way more going on that what you can cram into a two hours movie.
I always thought that in today´s environment, where a season doesn´t need to be 22-24 episodes, turning one book into a season would work just fine.

And i would really like to see "Debt of Honor" as a TV Season. Or "Red Storm Rising", or "The sum of all fears" remade into something close to the book, since the existing movie seems like the script was made from bullet points about the story line rather than the book.

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Re: Movie Adaptation of Books

Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:35 pm

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I think the biggest "Problem" with Clancy adaptations is that they do have so, so much story in them. Even the shorter books, like Patriot Games, have way, way more going on that what you can cram into a two hours movie.
I always thought that in today´s environment, where a season doesn´t need to be 22-24 episodes, turning one book into a season would work just fine.

And i would really like to see "Debt of Honor" as a TV Season. Or "Red Storm Rising", or "The sum of all fears" remade into something close to the book, since the existing movie seems like the script was made from bullet points about the story line rather than the book.

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“Red Storm Rising” would make a fantastic mini-series, as we used to call them in my youth :old: . A two, or even three hour movie, still wouldn’t dent the depth of the various plot lines.

“Debt of Honor” would be another good one, but I fear that implicit and explicit racial undertones would overshadow the story line.
 
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Re: Movie Adaptation of Books

Mon Jan 10, 2022 1:30 pm

fr8mech wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
I think the biggest "Problem" with Clancy adaptations is that they do have so, so much story in them. Even the shorter books, like Patriot Games, have way, way more going on that what you can cram into a two hours movie.
I always thought that in today´s environment, where a season doesn´t need to be 22-24 episodes, turning one book into a season would work just fine.

And i would really like to see "Debt of Honor" as a TV Season. Or "Red Storm Rising", or "The sum of all fears" remade into something close to the book, since the existing movie seems like the script was made from bullet points about the story line rather than the book.

best regards
Thomas


“Red Storm Rising” would make a fantastic mini-series, as we used to call them in my youth :old: . A two, or even three hour movie, still wouldn’t dent the depth of the various plot lines.


and there are so many good ones in it. I think hicking across Iceland is the only bit i starting skipping over at around the 10th read or so....

“Debt of Honor” would be another good one, but I fear that implicit and explicit racial undertones would overshadow the story line.


Smoothing of some edges might be required in today´s environment.....

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Re: Movie Adaptation of Books

Mon Jan 10, 2022 4:13 pm

The movie version of Michael Crichton's Andromeda Strain was pretty faithful to the book. They switched one male character in the book to a female in the movie but otherwise it was pretty much the book on film. Jurassic Park and Lost World were two more of his books that translated pretty well to film.
As for Lord of the Rings, it would have ben nearly impossible to tell the complete story in movies without going on far too long. I read the books in high school and again later in life and was really looking forward to the movies. Yeah, they weren't perfect, but I give Peter Jackson credit for doing a pretty good job.
 
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Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:56 am

While I thought the book was a bit better, I enjoyed the movie Jurassic Park
 
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Re: Movie Adaptation of Books

Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:32 am

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fr8mech wrote:
With notable exceptions...I'm sure you'll fill in your own...movie adaptations of books typically don't live up to the book.

I bring this up because I just watched Without Remorse. Now, I'm a fan of Tom Clancy's books and thought Without Remorse was one of his best.

The only things Without Remorse (the movie) has in common with Without Remorse (the book) are its title and some of the character names. You couldn't even stretch the plot of the movie to match the book's or vice-versa. I was quite disappointed.

Rant over.

Without Remorse, the movie, is a good action pic. Plot's a little far-fetched, but it serves the old "bad government actor trying to start some stuff" trope that's been used plenty of times in the past.


I think the biggest "Problem" with Clancy adaptations is that they do have so, so much story in them. Even the shorter books, like Patriot Games, have way, way more going on that what you can cram into a two hours movie.
I always thought that in today´s environment, where a season doesn´t need to be 22-24 episodes, turning one book into a season would work just fine.

And i would really like to see "Debt of Honor" as a TV Season. Or "Red Storm Rising", or "The sum of all fears" remade into something close to the book, since the existing movie seems like the script was made from bullet points about the story line rather than the book.

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Redoing Sum of all Fears would probably end up very controversial with the Native American PLO terrorist tie up.

Red Storm Rising would make a good miniseries IMHO, but even over 8 or 10 or even 15 hours it might be hard to cover everything and not put the audience to sleep.
 
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Re: Movie Adaptation of Books

Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:37 am

ER757 wrote:
The movie version of Michael Crichton's Andromeda Strain was pretty faithful to the book. They switched one male character in the book to a female in the movie but otherwise it was pretty much the book on film. Jurassic Park and Lost World were two more of his books that translated pretty well to film.
As for Lord of the Rings, it would have ben nearly impossible to tell the complete story in movies without going on far too long. I read the books in high school and again later in life and was really looking forward to the movies. Yeah, they weren't perfect, but I give Peter Jackson credit for doing a pretty good job.


Hard to argue what Peter Jackson did, not only with the movies but also putting New Zealand on the tourist map ;)

Tom Clancy series having Jack Ryan as the protagnist you could do multiple. But getting that casting right would be a major thing.
 
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Re: Movie Adaptation of Books

Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:16 am

In my experience, the book is always better. Flight of the Intruder, The Hunt for Red October…much better books than movies.

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Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:30 pm

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In my experience, the book is always better. Flight of the Intruder, The Hunt for Red October…much better books than movies.

Marc


The hunt for Red October was a really good movie, yes the book was much better, but the movie was still really good. I just don't see how you could get all of the story line from his books into a movie.
 
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Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:46 pm

bpatus297 wrote:
Cadet985 wrote:
In my experience, the book is always better. Flight of the Intruder, The Hunt for Red October…much better books than movies.

Marc


The hunt for Red October was a really good movie, yes the book was much better, but the movie was still really good. I just don't see how you could get all of the story line from his books into a movie.


As for Clancy book adaptations i´d say patriot games, clear and present danger and hunt for red October are reasonably truthful to the books. But absolutely right, much too much story in the books. Plus you need a documentary along for all the tech talk :)

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Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:19 pm

The Hunt for Red October was great both as a book and a movie. If you can accept that they are similar but not expected to be exactly the same you can enjoy them as they are.

And, yeah, WAY too much in Red Storm Rising for a movie. But a miniseries... yeah, that'd be cool.
 
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Re: Movie Adaptation of Books

Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:39 pm

cjg225 wrote:
The Hunt for Red October was great both as a book and a movie. If you can accept that they are similar but not expected to be exactly the same you can enjoy them as they are.

And, yeah, WAY too much in Red Storm Rising for a movie. But a miniseries... yeah, that'd be cool.


I generally go into movies expecting a break from reality. I find that I am better entertained if you expect the movie to take liberties with how the real world works. I few hours to turn your brain off and just relax.
 
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Re: Movie Adaptation of Books

Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:01 pm

I don't read novels, so I'll never know if the film matches up to the book or not.

Some movies based on books are good, and some aren't.

I loved Kubrick's take on Stephen King's The Shining.

I think that the movie version of The Firm was only half good. I felt the director substituted too "action" for good drama. It's not a bad movie, I just didn't like the way it evolved.

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