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Re: American Airlines Fleet Thread - 2022

Sat Mar 26, 2022 8:57 pm

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AA has both CFM and IAE engines on the A321s.


The reference was to the 321neos, of which AA operates the CFM LEAP and not the PW1000G.
 
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Wed Mar 30, 2022 7:01 pm

Another new neo in the books.

AA took delivery of a new Airbus A321neo aircraft March 24, with U.S. Registration Number N452AN. It’s the seventh of 26 neos expected to be delivered this year and the 51st in the fleet overall.
 
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Fri Apr 01, 2022 2:32 pm

Question: I just flew on A320 N661AW on 30MAR MSY-PHX in F and while it looked like the new seats, albeit a bit worn, it still had "old" overhead bins, not the new ones where you can put roller-bags on their sides, so I figured it hadn't been Oasis'd/Kodiak'd? Or was it that they weren't doing that to the 320's?
 
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Fri Apr 01, 2022 2:40 pm

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Question: I just flew on A320 N661AW on 30MAR MSY-PHX in F and while it looked like the new seats, albeit a bit worn, it still had "old" overhead bins, not the new ones where you can put roller-bags on their sides, so I figured it hadn't been Oasis'd/Kodiak'd? Or was it that they weren't doing that to the 320's?

Oasis/Kodiak was only for A321s and 738s. You flew in an old HP 320.
 
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Fri Apr 01, 2022 3:39 pm

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cathay747 wrote:
Question: I just flew on A320 N661AW on 30MAR MSY-PHX in F and while it looked like the new seats, albeit a bit worn, it still had "old" overhead bins, not the new ones where you can put roller-bags on their sides, so I figured it hadn't been Oasis'd/Kodiak'd? Or was it that they weren't doing that to the 320's?

Oasis/Kodiak was only for A321s and 738s. You flew in an old HP 320.


Thanks; yeah I know it was an old HP bird. So nothing is being done to them? I think I've read in here they've got retirement looming?
 
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Fri Apr 01, 2022 3:53 pm

cathay747 wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
Question: I just flew on A320 N661AW on 30MAR MSY-PHX in F and while it looked like the new seats, albeit a bit worn, it still had "old" overhead bins, not the new ones where you can put roller-bags on their sides, so I figured it hadn't been Oasis'd/Kodiak'd? Or was it that they weren't doing that to the 320's?

Oasis/Kodiak was only for A321s and 738s. You flew in an old HP 320.


Thanks; yeah I know it was an old HP bird. So nothing is being done to them? I think I've read in here they've got retirement looming?

Some of the old HP 320s have been retired and not sure about retirement as they are in the process of bringing back 36 retired 738s.
 
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Fri Apr 01, 2022 5:38 pm

cathay747 wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
Question: I just flew on A320 N661AW on 30MAR MSY-PHX in F and while it looked like the new seats, albeit a bit worn, it still had "old" overhead bins, not the new ones where you can put roller-bags on their sides, so I figured it hadn't been Oasis'd/Kodiak'd? Or was it that they weren't doing that to the 320's?

Oasis/Kodiak was only for A321s and 738s. You flew in an old HP 320.


Thanks; yeah I know it was an old HP bird. So nothing is being done to them? I think I've read in here they've got retirement looming?


I think AA is tinkering with the 320 fleet plan, they were supposed to go but I wouldn't be surprised to see them keep them around for another 5-8 years and do an overhead bin refresh shortly.
 
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Fri Apr 01, 2022 6:10 pm

The A320s are fine as-is and don't need to be touched IMO.

All of them got new seat covers in both cabins, new bulkhead finishings, and power outlets (in both cabins) within the last several years. The A320s are the nicest ride in Y domestically at this point...well-padded non-slimline seats with 32" of legroom. Some (but not all) got extended bins during the cabin refresh.

Of the 48 in the fleet, 18 came directly from US, are EOW, and equipped with CFM engines. 26 came from HP, are non-EOW, and equipped with IAE engines.

After the merger, the combined carrier placed an extremely small order for an additional 4 A320s for the US East/EOW fleet, and were delivered between 2009 and 2010 IIRC. These planes have the newer Airbus A380-inspired interior with updated PSUs, sidewalls, and larger overhead bins.
 
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Sat Apr 02, 2022 2:18 pm

^ thanks for all the above! If they are kept around for several more years, then yeah, I would hope they do a bin replacement. It was amazing seeing the bin-size-difference between the Kodiak'd 321 on our outbound and then the smaller bins on the 320 on our return flight.
 
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Thu Apr 07, 2022 7:20 pm

I don't have a tangible source but at CLT I've heard that the maintenance personnel maybe getting ready for the 787. It's possible in 2023 that it might be coming to CLT which makes sense with the 788 being the smallest widebody in the AA fleet.
 
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Thu Apr 07, 2022 7:32 pm

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I don't have a tangible source but at CLT I've heard that the maintenance personnel maybe getting ready for the 787. It's possible in 2023 that it might be coming to CLT which makes sense with the 788 being the smallest widebody in the AA fleet.

I’ll check with my son’s mom she’s in maintenance
 
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Thu Apr 07, 2022 8:33 pm

Boof02671 wrote:
JohanTally wrote:
I don't have a tangible source but at CLT I've heard that the maintenance personnel maybe getting ready for the 787. It's possible in 2023 that it might be coming to CLT which makes sense with the 788 being the smallest widebody in the AA fleet.

I’ll check with my son’s mom she’s in maintenance

Thank you because I wish I had more info but right now all I have is one source. To me the 787 makes more sense for CLT with smaller premium cabins and the lower seat count especially on the 788.
 
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Thu Apr 07, 2022 8:41 pm

JohanTally wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
JohanTally wrote:
I don't have a tangible source but at CLT I've heard that the maintenance personnel maybe getting ready for the 787. It's possible in 2023 that it might be coming to CLT which makes sense with the 788 being the smallest widebody in the AA fleet.

I’ll check with my son’s mom she’s in maintenance

Thank you because I wish I had more info but right now all I have is one source. To me the 787 makes more sense for CLT with smaller premium cabins and the lower seat count especially on the 788.

I spent 20 years at Piedmont/US in maintenance. Still have lots of contacts as I was an IAM Rep
 
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Fri Apr 08, 2022 9:44 am

JohanTally wrote:
I don't have a tangible source but at CLT I've heard that the maintenance personnel maybe getting ready for the 787. It's possible in 2023 that it might be coming to CLT which makes sense with the 788 being the smallest widebody in the AA fleet.


They don't really have any issue filling the 772s at CLT. Hopefully they're planning on adding routes but I could see AA shifting 787 and 772s between CLT and PHL. If PHL continues to be the preferred EU gateway then it makes sense to shift it around to maximize revenue.
 
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Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:01 am

When is the last 321 retrofit going to finish?

Quite a milestone!
 
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Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:38 am

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When is the last 321 retrofit going to finish?

Quite a milestone!

Believe they are done now.
 
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Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:44 am

JohanTally wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
JohanTally wrote:
I don't have a tangible source but at CLT I've heard that the maintenance personnel maybe getting ready for the 787. It's possible in 2023 that it might be coming to CLT which makes sense with the 788 being the smallest widebody in the AA fleet.

I’ll check with my son’s mom she’s in maintenance

Thank you because I wish I had more info but right now all I have is one source. To me the 787 makes more sense for CLT with smaller premium cabins and the lower seat count especially on the 788.

As of now she hasn’t heard anything. No one has gone for 787 FAM training not haas anything parts been moved to the Stores Warehouse yet. I’ll check with some other sources today.
 
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Fri Apr 08, 2022 11:39 am

JohanTally wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
JohanTally wrote:
I don't have a tangible source but at CLT I've heard that the maintenance personnel maybe getting ready for the 787. It's possible in 2023 that it might be coming to CLT which makes sense with the 788 being the smallest widebody in the AA fleet.

I’ll check with my son’s mom she’s in maintenance

Thank you because I wish I had more info but right now all I have is one source. To me the 787 makes more sense for CLT with smaller premium cabins and the lower seat count especially on the 788.



If they get it it’ll be the -8. The -9 is too premium heavy and about to get even heavier in the new configuration
 
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Fri Apr 08, 2022 12:22 pm

aacun wrote:
JohanTally wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
I’ll check with my son’s mom she’s in maintenance

Thank you because I wish I had more info but right now all I have is one source. To me the 787 makes more sense for CLT with smaller premium cabins and the lower seat count especially on the 788.



If they get it it’ll be the -8. The -9 is too premium heavy and about to get even heavier in the new configuration

The 772 which they currently have is far more premium than the 789
 
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Fri Apr 08, 2022 12:23 pm

Boof02671 wrote:
JohanTally wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
I’ll check with my son’s mom she’s in maintenance

Thank you because I wish I had more info but right now all I have is one source. To me the 787 makes more sense for CLT with smaller premium cabins and the lower seat count especially on the 788.

As of now she hasn’t heard anything. No one has gone for 787 FAM training not haas anything parts been moved to the Stores Warehouse yet. I’ll check with some other sources today.

Thanks for asking around. It will happen eventually but it might be a couple more years.
 
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Fri Apr 08, 2022 12:29 pm

JohanTally wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
JohanTally wrote:
Thank you because I wish I had more info but right now all I have is one source. To me the 787 makes more sense for CLT with smaller premium cabins and the lower seat count especially on the 788.

As of now she hasn’t heard anything. No one has gone for 787 FAM training not haas anything parts been moved to the Stores Warehouse yet. I’ll check with some other sources today.

Thanks for asking around. It will happen eventually but it might be a couple more years.

The Widebody fleet is stretched pretty thin until deliveries resume.

Plus CLT is pretty busy with cargo, so they fill the up the belly.

I use to work International Maintenance, the Cargo paid for the cost of the flight and passenger revenue was profit.

I started with Piedmont in TPA and we had the originating LGW flight and we would get a few 767s a day and you’d have to book LGW cargo two weeks prior to ensure it would get on the flight.

TPA was the fifth busiest in the PI/US system for cargo.
 
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Fri Apr 08, 2022 12:37 pm

Boof02671 wrote:
JohanTally wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
As of now she hasn’t heard anything. No one has gone for 787 FAM training not haas anything parts been moved to the Stores Warehouse yet. I’ll check with some other sources today.

Thanks for asking around. It will happen eventually but it might be a couple more years.

The Widebody fleet is stretched pretty thin until deliveries resume.

Plus CLT is pretty busy with cargo, so they fill the up the belly.

I use to work International Maintenance, the Cargo paid for the cost of the flight and passenger revenue was profit.

I started with Piedmont in TPA and we had the originating LGW flight and we would get a few 767s a day and you’d have to book LGW cargo two weeks prior to ensure it would get on the flight.

TPA was the fifth busiest in the PI/US system for cargo.

The 789 I believe has more belly cargo volume than the 772 and another reason why the 78J would be a great fit on AA TATL routes needing extra cargo volume. You are right about cargo demand which I guess is why AA isn't worried about sending out half full pax cabins to Germany because the belly is bulked out.
 
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Fri Apr 08, 2022 12:43 pm

JohanTally wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
JohanTally wrote:
Thanks for asking around. It will happen eventually but it might be a couple more years.

The Widebody fleet is stretched pretty thin until deliveries resume.

Plus CLT is pretty busy with cargo, so they fill the up the belly.

I use to work International Maintenance, the Cargo paid for the cost of the flight and passenger revenue was profit.

I started with Piedmont in TPA and we had the originating LGW flight and we would get a few 767s a day and you’d have to book LGW cargo two weeks prior to ensure it would get on the flight.

TPA was the fifth busiest in the PI/US system for cargo.

The 789 I believe has more belly cargo volume than the 772 and another reason why the 78J would be a great fit on AA TATL routes needing extra cargo volume. You are right about cargo demand which I guess is why AA isn't worried about sending out half full pax cabins to Germany because the belly is bulked out.

Actually the 787-8 can hold 28 LD3s.

The 772 can hold 32 LD3s.

So the 772 has a little bit more cargo capacity.
 
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Sun Apr 10, 2022 4:57 am

There’s a picture of an AA 787 with a black wrap wrapped around the fuselage, the tail isn’t covered. Anyone know anything about it?

I saw it on Facebook, and I don’t know how to post pictures on this site..
 
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Sun Apr 10, 2022 5:07 am

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There’s a picture of an AA 787 with a black wrap wrapped around the fuselage, the tail isn’t covered. Anyone know anything about it?

I saw it on Facebook, and I don’t know how to post pictures on this site..

It’s stored by Boeing as they can’t deliver any 787s as the FAA hadn’t approved a fix yet for the gaps.
 
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Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:37 am

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If they get it it’ll be the -8. The -9 is too premium heavy and about to get even heavier in the new configuration


Did I miss any news on this new configuration? Please tell us more my friend. I have not heard any words on B789 getting new configuration yet. Would love to know more. Any words from any rumours or anything in details? Thank you a million.
 
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Sun Apr 10, 2022 3:04 pm

chonetsao wrote:
aacun wrote:
If they get it it’ll be the -8. The -9 is too premium heavy and about to get even heavier in the new configuration


Did I miss any news on this new configuration? Please tell us more my friend. I have not heard any words on B789 getting new configuration yet. Would love to know more. Any words from any rumours or anything in details? Thank you a million.


Here is an article where they talk about it.

https://viewfromthewing.com/american-ai ... -9-cabins/
 
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Sun Apr 10, 2022 3:20 pm

chonetsao wrote:
aacun wrote:
If they get it it’ll be the -8. The -9 is too premium heavy and about to get even heavier in the new configuration


Did I miss any news on this new configuration? Please tell us more my friend. I have not heard any words on B789 getting new configuration yet. Would love to know more. Any words from any rumours or anything in details? Thank you a million.

I would guess the biggest change will somewhat of a door on the J seats and possibly some more premium economy. As long as business travel is lagging there's no sense in adding premium seating for leisure travel.
 
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Sun Apr 10, 2022 5:01 pm

Not sure if this is for here or the network thread but apparently AA is planning to increase the number of 737s in LAX. Not much on the 787s in LAX but I doubt there will be an increase. I honestly didn’t think LAX was still a 737 base.

https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1513 ... 2QnqqPxCkA
 
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Sun Apr 10, 2022 5:43 pm

Doesn’t have to be a 737 base necessarily. FAs are trained on all aircraft. Pilots of course are type specific.
 
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Sun Apr 10, 2022 8:59 pm

SXDFC wrote:
There’s a picture of an AA 787 with a black wrap wrapped around the fuselage, the tail isn’t covered. Anyone know anything about it?

I saw it on Facebook, and I don’t know how to post pictures on this site..


It at PAE right next to Highway 526. I drove by it yesterday. I’ll see if I can find out anything.

There’s speculation that it could be a special livery that hasn’t been revealed yet, but this is simply unconfirmed speculation. There are plenty of other 787s in storage at PAE and none of them have the black tarp.
 
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Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:18 pm

BoeingGuy wrote:
SXDFC wrote:
There’s a picture of an AA 787 with a black wrap wrapped around the fuselage, the tail isn’t covered. Anyone know anything about it?

I saw it on Facebook, and I don’t know how to post pictures on this site..


It at PAE right next to Highway 526. I drove by it yesterday. I’ll see if I can find out anything.

There’s speculation that it could be a special livery that hasn’t been revealed yet, but this is simply unconfirmed speculation. There are plenty of other 787s in storage at PAE and none of them have the black tarp.

It’s not a special livery.

Boeing can’t deliver any 787s as the FAA hasn’t approved the gap repair process.

AA isn’t taking any 787 till January of next year.

The plane is owned by Boeing still and is being stored.
 
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Sun Apr 10, 2022 10:05 pm

Boof02671 wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:
SXDFC wrote:
There’s a picture of an AA 787 with a black wrap wrapped around the fuselage, the tail isn’t covered. Anyone know anything about it?

I saw it on Facebook, and I don’t know how to post pictures on this site..


It at PAE right next to Highway 526. I drove by it yesterday. I’ll see if I can find out anything.

There’s speculation that it could be a special livery that hasn’t been revealed yet, but this is simply unconfirmed speculation. There are plenty of other 787s in storage at PAE and none of them have the black tarp.

It’s not a special livery.

Boeing can’t deliver any 787s as the FAA hasn’t approved the gap repair process.

AA isn’t taking any 787 till January of next year.

The plane is owned by Boeing still and is being stored.


Why is it stored with a black tarp around the fuselage like that? The other stored 787s do not have that, as far as I’ve seen.
 
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Sun Apr 10, 2022 10:10 pm

BoeingGuy wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:

It at PAE right next to Highway 526. I drove by it yesterday. I’ll see if I can find out anything.

There’s speculation that it could be a special livery that hasn’t been revealed yet, but this is simply unconfirmed speculation. There are plenty of other 787s in storage at PAE and none of them have the black tarp.

It’s not a special livery.

Boeing can’t deliver any 787s as the FAA hasn’t approved the gap repair process.

AA isn’t taking any 787 till January of next year.

The plane is owned by Boeing still and is being stored.


Why is it stored with a black tarp around the fuselage like that? The other stored 787s do not have that, as far as I’ve seen.

Long term storage and to prevent damage to the pain. PAE isn’t like MHV, VCV, GYR or ROW.
 
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Sun Apr 10, 2022 10:56 pm

Let’s see what they say.

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Sun Apr 10, 2022 11:07 pm

Boof02671 wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
It’s not a special livery.

Boeing can’t deliver any 787s as the FAA hasn’t approved the gap repair process.

AA isn’t taking any 787 till January of next year.

The plane is owned by Boeing still and is being stored.


Why is it stored with a black tarp around the fuselage like that? The other stored 787s do not have that, as far as I’ve seen.

Long term storage and to prevent damage to the pain. PAE isn’t like MHV, VCV, GYR or ROW.

Boeing has never stored a plane like this in Pacific Northwest though (whether that be current 787s, the terrible teen 787s, or the 737maxes).

This 787 is not the only plane Boeing has in long term storage in the Seattle area. It’s as far as I am aware the only one wrapped up in a black tarp though. It’s also curious that the tarp is following the line of the tail design. That’s not for storage purposes (they are only covering half of the last exits!). They are specifically hiding the normally what should just be grey fuselage…
 
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Sun Apr 10, 2022 11:37 pm

Polot wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:

Why is it stored with a black tarp around the fuselage like that? The other stored 787s do not have that, as far as I’ve seen.

Long term storage and to prevent damage to the pain. PAE isn’t like MHV, VCV, GYR or ROW.

Boeing has never stored a plane like this in Pacific Northwest though (whether that be current 787s, the terrible teen 787s, or the 737maxes).

This 787 is not the only plane Boeing has in long term storage in the Seattle area. It’s as far as I am aware the only one wrapped up in a black tarp though. It’s also curious that the tarp is following the line of the tail design. That’s not for storage purposes (they are only covering half of the last exits!). They are specifically hiding the normally what should just be grey fuselage…


Agree. I live near PAE. I visit BFI regularly. There are quite a few other airplanes stored all over each airport. None have ever had that black wrap just over the fuselage.
 
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Re: American Airlines Fleet Thread - 2022

Mon Apr 11, 2022 1:17 am

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aacun wrote:
If they get it it’ll be the -8. The -9 is too premium heavy and about to get even heavier in the new configuration


Did I miss any news on this new configuration? Please tell us more my friend. I have not heard any words on B789 getting new configuration yet. Would love to know more. Any words from any rumours or anything in details? Thank you a million.


I just did recurrent training. BC is going to 51 seats. There will be new seats in BC as well as PE. The BC seats will have doors and it will have completely new cabin interior trimming. I haven’t seen any pics of the seats as of yet . The new designation for the airplane is the 787-9P.
 
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Re: American Airlines Fleet Thread - 2022

Mon Apr 11, 2022 1:55 am

aacun wrote:
chonetsao wrote:
aacun wrote:
If they get it it’ll be the -8. The -9 is too premium heavy and about to get even heavier in the new configuration


Did I miss any news on this new configuration? Please tell us more my friend. I have not heard any words on B789 getting new configuration yet. Would love to know more. Any words from any rumours or anything in details? Thank you a million.


I just did recurrent training. BC is going to 51 seats. There will be new seats in BC as well as PE. The BC seats will have doors and it will have completely new cabin interior trimming. I haven’t seen any pics of the seats as of yet . The new designation for the airplane is the 787-9P.


51 on a 789? The max I have seen is 48, and that is with the more space-efficient Polaris Seat. 51 sounds way too high considering the fact that the seat will probably take up more space than the UA seat.

EDIT: JAL has 787-9s with 52 J seats and those J seats take up a similar amount of space as the current AA ones
 
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Mon Apr 11, 2022 3:06 am

IFLYUA767 wrote:
Not sure if this is for here or the network thread but apparently AA is planning to increase the number of 737s in LAX. Not much on the 787s in LAX but I doubt there will be an increase. I honestly didn’t think LAX was still a 737 base.

https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1513 ... 2QnqqPxCkA


This was an interesting read. However, it sounds like it will be more of a resumption of 737s into the fleet mix at LAX and not a net increase, per se. I look forward to AA starting a MAX base at LAX once they get those 30 something new MAXes they talk about.
 
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Mon Apr 11, 2022 3:31 am

BigPlaneGuy13 wrote:
IFLYUA767 wrote:
Not sure if this is for here or the network thread but apparently AA is planning to increase the number of 737s in LAX. Not much on the 787s in LAX but I doubt there will be an increase. I honestly didn’t think LAX was still a 737 base.

https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1513 ... 2QnqqPxCkA


This was an interesting read. However, it sounds like it will be more of a resumption of 737s into the fleet mix at LAX and not a net increase, per se. I look forward to AA starting a MAX base at LAX once they get those 30 something new MAXes they talk about.

The Max isn’t a separate base or a separate bid. 737-800 and 737-8Max are the same bid. Pilots are trained on both. Just like A319, A320 and A321 are all the same pilots.
 
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Re: American Airlines Fleet Thread - 2022

Mon Apr 11, 2022 5:15 am

BigPlaneGuy13 wrote:
IFLYUA767 wrote:
Not sure if this is for here or the network thread but apparently AA is planning to increase the number of 737s in LAX. Not much on the 787s in LAX but I doubt there will be an increase. I honestly didn’t think LAX was still a 737 base.

https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1513 ... 2QnqqPxCkA


This was an interesting read. However, it sounds like it will be more of a resumption of 737s into the fleet mix at LAX and not a net increase, per se. I look forward to AA starting a MAX base at LAX once they get those 30 something new MAXes they talk about.


Yeah I guess it is more of a resumption. It seemed like AA started using more of the A320 family out of LAX instead of the 737 during COVID.
 
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Re: American Airlines Fleet Thread - 2022

Mon Apr 11, 2022 6:07 am

aacun wrote:
chonetsao wrote:
aacun wrote:
If they get it it’ll be the -8. The -9 is too premium heavy and about to get even heavier in the new configuration


Did I miss any news on this new configuration? Please tell us more my friend. I have not heard any words on B789 getting new configuration yet. Would love to know more. Any words from any rumours or anything in details? Thank you a million.


I just did recurrent training. BC is going to 51 seats. There will be new seats in BC as well as PE. The BC seats will have doors and it will have completely new cabin interior trimming. I haven’t seen any pics of the seats as of yet . The new designation for the airplane is the 787-9P.


Thank you for coming back to me. Really appreciate your information. 51 is a lot and I guess those will be used on LHR route and possibly TYO, HKG and where first class is not necessary but business class Dr and is strong. Thank you again. I am really surprised to hear 51 J seats. Maybe 1 for pilot rest?
 
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Re: American Airlines Fleet Thread - 2022

Mon Apr 11, 2022 6:11 am

chonetsao wrote:
aacun wrote:
chonetsao wrote:

Did I miss any news on this new configuration? Please tell us more my friend. I have not heard any words on B789 getting new configuration yet. Would love to know more. Any words from any rumours or anything in details? Thank you a million.


I just did recurrent training. BC is going to 51 seats. There will be new seats in BC as well as PE. The BC seats will have doors and it will have completely new cabin interior trimming. I haven’t seen any pics of the seats as of yet . The new designation for the airplane is the 787-9P.


Thank you for coming back to me. Really appreciate your information. 51 is a lot and I guess those will be used on LHR route and possibly TYO, HKG and where first class is not necessary but business class Dr and is strong. Thank you again. I am really surprised to hear 51 J seats. Maybe 1 for pilot rest?

AA’s 787s have a crew rest area.
 
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Re: American Airlines Fleet Thread - 2022

Mon Apr 11, 2022 1:03 pm

Here is an article from Simple Flying.

But I call BS as some of you said other 787s parked there aren’t wrapped.

The plane in question is almost a year and half old.
https://simpleflying.com/american-airli ... stic-wrap/
 
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Re: American Airlines Fleet Thread - 2022

Mon Apr 11, 2022 4:36 pm

Boof02671 wrote:
Here is an article from Simple Flying.

But I call BS as some of you said other 787s parked there aren’t wrapped.

The plane in question is almost a year and half old.
https://simpleflying.com/american-airli ... stic-wrap/


Possible that they removed ALL layers of paint etc. for rework. And that’s why they need the plastic, to prevent the composite fuselage from UV rays. All other stored planes are stored either painted or with this green stuff (on aluminium fuselages).
 
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Re: American Airlines Fleet Thread - 2022

Mon Apr 11, 2022 11:41 pm

JohanTally wrote:
chonetsao wrote:
aacun wrote:
If they get it it’ll be the -8. The -9 is too premium heavy and about to get even heavier in the new configuration


Did I miss any news on this new configuration? Please tell us more my friend. I have not heard any words on B789 getting new configuration yet. Would love to know more. Any words from any rumours or anything in details? Thank you a million.

I would guess the biggest change will somewhat of a door on the J seats and possibly some more premium economy. As long as business travel is lagging there's no sense in adding premium seating for leisure travel.

Well I stand corrected and it looks like future AA 789s are going to be premium heavy with a substantial upgrade. 51J seats and 32 Y+ while only seating 235 vs the current 285. Not official from AA but being reported by JonNYC and written up by one mile at a time. Could this replace the premium heavy AA 77W?

https://onemileatatime.com/news/america ... 7-premium/
 
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Re: American Airlines Fleet Thread - 2022

Tue Apr 12, 2022 12:11 am

Boof02671 wrote:
Here is an article from Simple Flying.

But I call BS as some of you said other 787s parked there aren’t wrapped.

The plane in question is almost a year and half old.
https://simpleflying.com/american-airli ... stic-wrap/


I live about 2 miles from PAE and drive by it regularly. The airplane in question was in the exact location as shown in the Simple Flying photograph when I saw it on Saturday. It was parked next to a KC-46.

It’s possible that other 787s at parked PAE are wrapped with the same black wrap, but I have not personally seen any. I’ve seen plenty of parked 787s that do not have such wrap.

If you are here also and have seen it, or have photographic evidence of any other 787s wrapped in the same manner then please share it.

Otherwise you can’t really call BS on those of us who personally see the parked 787s at PAE regularly while you do not.
 
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Re: American Airlines Fleet Thread - 2022

Tue Apr 12, 2022 12:28 am

JohanTally wrote:
JohanTally wrote:
chonetsao wrote:

Did I miss any news on this new configuration? Please tell us more my friend. I have not heard any words on B789 getting new configuration yet. Would love to know more. Any words from any rumours or anything in details? Thank you a million.

I would guess the biggest change will somewhat of a door on the J seats and possibly some more premium economy. As long as business travel is lagging there's no sense in adding premium seating for leisure travel.

Well I stand corrected and it looks like future AA 789s are going to be premium heavy with a substantial upgrade. 51J seats and 32 Y+ while only seating 235 vs the current 285. Not official from AA but being reported by JonNYC and written up by one mile at a time. Could this replace the premium heavy AA 77W?

https://onemileatatime.com/news/america ... 7-premium/


AA has no choice but to reverse a weird decision it made shortly after it started deliveries of the 787 to reduce the Business Class cabin and expand the P/E cabin. It needs the 787 for more ultra-long haul missions it wants to fly and can't quite do it today. I don't think the 77W is going to be replaced, but its purpose in the fleet has shifted since the pandemic. It was used exclusively on LHR, HKG, NRT/HND, and GRU (with a MIA-EZE frequency as well). Not all LHR and GRU service was flown on the 77W but much of it was. HKG will likely never return and with the changes in international demand, the 77W is probably too much plane as currently configured for a lot of routes. I don't think AA will ditch the 77W but I think it will reconfigure them to remove First and just make the business class cabin a bit larger. My sense is the 77Es will start leaving the fleet before the 77W does, but one thing is interesting about the 77W at both AA and UA in that they are no longer exclusively used at either for the markets they were intended for and that is all attributable to the pandemic. At AA, the 77W will likely carry on as the mainstay of slot constricted airports (LHR, HND) and high capacity seasonal adjustments (India, of the services grow from the East Coast), plus GRU and EZE where demand is strong at particular times of the year.
 
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Re: American Airlines Fleet Thread - 2022

Tue Apr 12, 2022 7:51 am

BoeingGuy wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
Here is an article from Simple Flying.

But I call BS as some of you said other 787s parked there aren’t wrapped.

The plane in question is almost a year and half old.
https://simpleflying.com/american-airli ... stic-wrap/


I live about 2 miles from PAE and drive by it regularly. The airplane in question was in the exact location as shown in the Simple Flying photograph when I saw it on Saturday. It was parked next to a KC-46.

It’s possible that other 787s at parked PAE are wrapped with the same black wrap, but I have not personally seen any. I’ve seen plenty of parked 787s that do not have such wrap.

If you are here also and have seen it, or have photographic evidence of any other 787s wrapped in the same manner then please share it.

Otherwise you can’t really call BS on those of us who personally see the parked 787s at PAE regularly while you do not.


I think Boof 02671 is calling BS on the article by Simplyflying, not on the observations of the locals. Certainly when I was at PAE in February all the 787s present were unwrapped.

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