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KlimaBXsst
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So was it really a plague? The bubonic plague…

Sun Jun 05, 2022 3:01 pm

The Black Death, Bubonic plague pandemic killed in between 30% and 60% of the population of Europe.

Is it fair to call Covid a pandemic or plague considering these statistics? I know I have not lost any where near 30-60% of my coworkers, family, or friends due to death from Covid.

https://worldmedicinefoundation.com/hea ... ck-plague/

Why did the government, rich, political, medical, pharmaceutical, and media elite try to manipulate the average masses so much? Did you foolishly buy into the manipulation and hysteria in the early days of Covid like most of us did. How could we not! Are you one that feels increasingly “not smart” now?
 
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Re: So was it really a plague? The bubonic plague…

Sun Jun 05, 2022 3:16 pm

I just feel like critical thinking and education gaps were exposed by Covid like nothing in our lifetimes.

To answer your question: killing 30-60% of the population is not the definition of a pandemic, so the problem with the premise starts there.

pandemic: an outbreak of a disease that occurs over a wide geographic area (such as multiple countries or continents) and typically affects a significant proportion of the population : a pandemic outbreak of a disease

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pandemic
 
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Re: So was it really a plague? The bubonic plague…

Sun Jun 05, 2022 3:17 pm

Current terminology by scientists have hijacked the term 'plague' as applying only to the bubonic plague. I think it was arrogant of them to do so, and I suspect a lot of literate scientists would agree. But to address you more directly, you evidently thing the one out of 330 people who died (over a million of our fellow citizens in the US) not a big deal. Shame on you. Then again, there is the idiot craftsman I hire from time to time who assures me the government pays families $10K to say their loved one died from covid when it was really cancer.
 
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Re: So was it really a plague? The bubonic plague…

Sun Jun 05, 2022 3:39 pm

Only a fool would compare the Covid pandemic to the Black Death and think that we've been bamboozled right now.

Did you know that the bubonic plague that caused the Black Death was seen as recently as 2017 in Madagascar? Why didn't thousands of Madagascans die? Science. No doubt that, had people in the 1300s have the level of science we have today, there wouldn't be a Black Death.

Similarly in the case of Covid, science helped reduce the chances of it becoming the new Black Death. So no, I don't feel stupid for taking all the recommended precautions including taking the vaccines.
 
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Re: So was it really a plague? The bubonic plague…

Sun Jun 05, 2022 4:23 pm

Who called COVID19 a plague ? Plague and pandemic are two unrelated words and concepts. The plague is an illness and a pandemic is when an epidemic goes global.

COVID19 was an unknown virus when it appeared, and it killed a number of people before an appropriate palliative treatment could be figured out. That number is quite unknown since it happened in China where transparency isn't a thing. Then it went pandemic and killed a lot of people, mostly older or less healthy, but still, they were people.

I only know personally of one person who died, he was in his thirties, got diagnosed, given paracetamol, and thought it would go away. He lived alone and didn't act when things turned bad and died. A colleague of mine, late thirties like me, going to the gym several times a week to do crossfit, got it this January. He was vaccinated, yet after some days home his girlfriend had to call an ambulance as he was short of breath, he spent one week in the hospital, 4 weeks recovering at home, and still feels the effects months later, yearning to get his former health back.
 
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Re: So was it really a plague? The bubonic plague…

Sun Jun 05, 2022 10:19 pm

[photoid][/photoid]It’s difficult to compare mortality in the 14th Century to that of the 21st Century. In general people are healthier now and have access (in many places at least) to quick care, not to mention drastically different standards of hygiene and sanitation. In the 14th Century, not so. Also, Y. Pestis infections respond to several generally available antibiotics, so the numbers would be very different today, as would CODID-19 numbers would be in the 1300s.

Outside of work I know three people who died.
 
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Re: So was it really a plague? The bubonic plague…

Mon Jun 06, 2022 7:59 am

KlimaBXsst wrote:
Why did the government, rich, political, medical, pharmaceutical, and media elite try to manipulate the average masses so much? Did you foolishly buy into the manipulation and hysteria in the early days of Covid like most of us did. How could we not! Are you one that feels increasingly “not smart” now?


Don't understand the question. Before answering that one, you need to prove that the governments, rich, political, medical, pharmaceutical, and media elite try to manipulate the average masses in the first place.
 
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Re: So was it really a plague? The bubonic plague…

Mon Jun 06, 2022 2:53 pm

Sometimes i am amazed that certain folks can find the power button on their communication device.

The Black Death existed in a time where medical/vigenary science not to mention general sanitation could do nothing the help or alleviate symptoms.

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/d ... nic-plague
 
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Re: So was it really a plague? The bubonic plague…

Thu Jun 16, 2022 7:07 pm

Speaking of historical mass outbreaks, is this of any use? Actual, real, proper science, the kind that has given us our longer, healthier lives, that when taken by enough people, saved countless millions much more recently;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCEHRGvFZ8k
 
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Re: So was it really a plague? The bubonic plague…

Thu Jun 16, 2022 8:00 pm

KlimaBXsst wrote:
Why did the government, rich, political, medical, pharmaceutical, and media elite try to manipulate the average masses so much?


I recall that the government manipulated health specialists into silence after they started talking of a novel disease that was producing respiratory problems in people, sometimes with fatal results. Talking about the People's Republic of China, of course.

KlimaBXsst wrote:
Did you foolishly buy into the manipulation and hysteria in the early days of Covid like most of us did. How could we not! Are you one that feels increasingly “not smart” now?


Personally I heard what was going on in China via the aircrew visiting China who reported it on a.net. My reaction was that this disease promised be the most dangerous infectious disease since the 'Spanish Flu' appeared in the dying years of WWI. Do I feel 'not smart' now? You guess, if you will.
 
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Re: So was it really a plague? The bubonic plague…

Fri Jun 17, 2022 11:13 am

A well coordinated effort for control over people and massive profits for the pharma companies and kickbacks to the politicians.

Can't wait to get my Monkeyvax. Or what ever the new politically correct term for it will be.
 
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Re: So was it really a plague? The bubonic plague…

Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:06 pm

Redd wrote:
A well coordinated effort for control over people and massive profits for the pharma companies and kickbacks to the politicians.

Can't wait to get my Monkeyvax. Or what ever the new politically correct term for it will be.


I wouldn't worry about the monkeyvax, apparently it will be administered via 5g so as long as the tin foil hat is secure you'll be able to avoid the vogon entanglement.

Fred
 
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Re: So was it really a plague? The bubonic plague…

Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:54 pm

...And where such looney tunes 'thinking', (with a dollop of traditional anti science paranoia, a head of state uninterested, then advising injecting bleach), leads to. Lack of a proper public health system, almost unknown in any other advanced nation does not help either.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/61333847

The report concludes that, although the US was not the worst hit country in the world by this measure, it remained in the top five in terms of overall numbers of deaths.

According to the WHO, in 2020 and 2021 the US recorded more than 930,000 excess deaths, behind India (4.7m), Russia (1.1m) and Indonesia (1m).

The WHO's numbers are largely consistent with statistics from the Economist which run into 2022, as well as other excess death studies.

When adjusted for population size, the US slips down the rankings with 140 excess deaths per 100,000 people. But it remains a long way above the global average of 96 per 100,000 - and it's also one of the worst performing among the most developed nations.


Half a century ago, before the rise of the cult of stupid, the US would have been one of the best performers, look at you now.
 
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Re: So was it really a plague? The bubonic plague…

Sat Jun 18, 2022 8:23 am

flipdewaf wrote:
Redd wrote:
A well coordinated effort for control over people and massive profits for the pharma companies and kickbacks to the politicians.

Can't wait to get my Monkeyvax. Or what ever the new politically correct term for it will be.


I wouldn't worry about the monkeyvax, apparently it will be administered via 5g so as long as the tin foil hat is secure you'll be able to avoid the vogon entanglement.

Fred


I trust the science, so I'm on board with everything. Just tell me where to stick the next one!
 
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Re: So was it really a plague? The bubonic plague…

Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:39 pm

KlimaBXsst wrote:
The Black Death, Bubonic plague pandemic killed in between 30% and 60% of the population of Europe.

Is it fair to call Covid a pandemic or plague considering these statistics? I know I have not lost any where near 30-60% of my coworkers, family, or friends due to death from Covid.

https://worldmedicinefoundation.com/hea ... ck-plague/

Why did the government, rich, political, medical, pharmaceutical, and media elite try to manipulate the average masses so much? Did you foolishly buy into the manipulation and hysteria in the early days of Covid like most of us did. How could we not! Are you one that feels increasingly “not smart” now?


Well, lets say we perform some trepanning on your skull the next time you catch a bad humor, or possibly a good blood letting to clear it up. Oh, and it is also ungodly to bathe, so no washing of hands. But I understand an IV push of sodium hypochlorite works wonders, and perhaps a suppository of anti-parasite meds will work wonders on any virus.......Not sure what you mean by manipulation, as the science performed was truly amazing to get a vaccine out as quickly as it was done....at no cost to get the shot....
 
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Re: So was it really a plague? The bubonic plague…

Sun Jul 10, 2022 5:07 am

GDB wrote:
...And where such looney tunes 'thinking', (with a dollop of traditional anti science paranoia, a head of state uninterested, then advising injecting bleach), leads to. Lack of a proper public health system, almost unknown in any other advanced nation does not help either.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/61333847

The report concludes that, although the US was not the worst hit country in the world by this measure, it remained in the top five in terms of overall numbers of deaths.

According to the WHO, in 2020 and 2021 the US recorded more than 930,000 excess deaths, behind India (4.7m), Russia (1.1m) and Indonesia (1m).

The WHO's numbers are largely consistent with statistics from the Economist which run into 2022, as well as other excess death studies.

When adjusted for population size, the US slips down the rankings with 140 excess deaths per 100,000 people. But it remains a long way above the global average of 96 per 100,000 - and it's also one of the worst performing among the most developed nations.


Half a century ago, before the rise of the cult of stupid, the US would have been one of the best performers, look at you now.


He did not suggest injesting bleach.

He 'mused' on whether it would be a good idea.

Problem is he was rambling so much that you have to play the tape several times to be sure. He sounded as if he had been hitting the bottle.

Why is there never a technical breakdown when you need one?.
 
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Re: So was it really a plague? The bubonic plague…

Sun Jul 10, 2022 10:22 am

Redd wrote:
A well coordinated effort for control over people and massive profits for the pharma companies and kickbacks to the politicians.


Probably about right as a resume of what happened. Not so sure about the coordinated control over people, though. States in the US had different restrictions. Uncoordinated control over people would be a better description to me.

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