4 College students murdered

NIKV69 · Thu Nov 17, 2022 3:02 pm

This one is scary. Especially since 2 other roommates were home and didn't call 911 until much later? Didn't hear anything and no forced entry? So senseless and a waste of 4 lives. This stinks, I hope the local police can ID a suspect soon.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/17/us/unive ... index.html

ER757 · Thu Nov 17, 2022 3:37 pm

This is getting a lot of coverage here in the Seattle area as the male victim is from a small town north of here, where everyone in town pretty much knows everyone else. Very mysterious circumstances for sure.

casinterest · Thu Nov 17, 2022 3:49 pm

I get bad vibes like the Gainesville, Fl muders in 1990

https://www.biography.com/news/danny-ro ... ainesville

NIKV69 · Thu Nov 17, 2022 4:46 pm

casinterest wrote:
I get bad vibes like the Gainesville, Fl muders in 1990

https://www.biography.com/news/danny-ro ... ainesville

Me too this is downright scary. I am still confused as too the other two in the house. Did they hear anything? Why so long to alert authorities?

ltbewr · Thu Nov 17, 2022 4:57 pm

Were the other 2 in the house so drunk or passed out on drugs they didn't wake up ? They had to hear the attack. Perhaps they are scared of speaking out due to some threat on their lives ? The lack of information so far, likely to assure the investigation is properly done, raises many questions.

You also had the murder of 3, injury of 2 others on the campus of University of Virginia, all connected to the football team and the alleged murders a former member of the team. Some info as to a motive includes bullying by some of those killed on the alleged murderer. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/unive ... r-AA14dn1G

johns624 · Thu Nov 17, 2022 5:26 pm

I wonder if the Moscow PD is in over their head on this one and should get the state police involved?

Vintage · Thu Nov 17, 2022 6:10 pm

This police chief is sending peculiar messages: there is no worry for the community, it wasn't a murder suicide and nobody is under arrest.

He better have a god reason when it all comes out, or he better find a new profession.

Edit:
Now the police are saying that they "can't say there's no threat to the community".

bluecrew · Thu Nov 17, 2022 6:21 pm

johns624 wrote:
I wonder if the Moscow PD is in over their head on this one and should get the state police involved?

A quadruple murder isn't going to get worked exclusively by the small-town podunk PD that had its last murder 7 years ago. There will be FBI agents sent from Seattle already on the ground there to assist, probably State Police assets as well, and maybe from Washington too, given its location right by the border.

jetwet1 · Thu Nov 17, 2022 6:53 pm

ltbewr wrote:
Were the other 2 in the house so drunk or passed out on drugs they didn't wake up ? They had to hear the attack. Perhaps they are scared of speaking out due to some threat on their lives ? The lack of information so far, likely to assure the investigation is properly done, raises many questions.

Or that were playing on their Xbox/PS with headphones on, there are plenty of reasons before we jump to the drunk/drugs conclusion.

Kno · Thu Nov 17, 2022 11:29 pm

jetwet1 wrote:
ltbewr wrote:
Were the other 2 in the house so drunk or passed out on drugs they didn't wake up ? They had to hear the attack. Perhaps they are scared of speaking out due to some threat on their lives ? The lack of information so far, likely to assure the investigation is properly done, raises many questions.

Or that were playing on their Xbox/PS with headphones on, there are plenty of reasons before we jump to the drunk/drugs conclusion.

Or all of the above. It's college after all.

LCDFlight · Fri Nov 18, 2022 1:08 am

ltbewr wrote:
Were the other 2 in the house so drunk or passed out on drugs they didn't wake up ? They had to hear the attack. Perhaps they are scared of speaking out due to some threat on their lives ? The lack of information so far, likely to assure the investigation is properly done, raises many questions.

You also had the murder of 3, injury of 2 others on the campus of University of Virginia, all connected to the football team and the alleged murders a former member of the team. Some info as to a motive includes bullying by some of those killed on the alleged murderer. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/unive ... r-AA14dn1G

The UVA one was truly unbelievable. What does it take to get suspended from school these days?! This guy was likely psychotic and carrying a gun AND THEY KNEW THAT. I would hate to be a school administrator. Thank god I’m not.

johns624 · Fri Nov 18, 2022 1:37 am

I guess that even big football players can be bullied. Maybe something should be done about that? Not that it excuses shooting anyone...

Vintage · Fri Nov 18, 2022 1:55 am

johns624 wrote:
I guess that even big football players can be bullied. Maybe something should be done about that? Not that it excuses shooting anyone...

What are you talking about?

phatfarmlines · Fri Nov 18, 2022 2:17 am

Vintage wrote:
johns624 wrote:
I guess that even big football players can be bullied. Maybe something should be done about that? Not that it excuses shooting anyone...

What are you talking about?

I suspect johns624 is bringing up the murders of the three UVA football players.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/13/us/unive ... index.html

Vintage · Fri Nov 18, 2022 2:25 am

That doesn't help, the post still doesn't make sense to me.

seb146 · Fri Nov 18, 2022 2:38 am

Someone reporting on this case early on said it was a "crime of passion". I wonder if that is still a lead?

NIKV69 · Fri Nov 18, 2022 12:24 pm

seb146 wrote:
Someone reporting on this case early on said it was a "crime of passion". I wonder if that is still a lead?

When someone gets rejected or it's a scorned lover I doubt it will be 4 people. I am getting the feeling the local PD can't handle this. Someone with experience better step in. These two that were in the house has to know something. 4 people can't be killed by hand without something being seen or heard.

johns624 · Fri Nov 18, 2022 12:56 pm

Vintage wrote:
johns624 wrote:
I guess that even big football players can be bullied. Maybe something should be done about that? Not that it excuses shooting anyone...

What are you talking about?

There are reports the shooter at UVA was bullied. LCD wanted to know why he was armed when he had problems, I just replied that maybe they should also do something about bullying.
https://eurweb.com/2022/11/16/uva-gunman-was-bullied/

seb146 · Fri Nov 18, 2022 4:13 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
seb146 wrote:
Someone reporting on this case early on said it was a "crime of passion". I wonder if that is still a lead?

When someone gets rejected or it's a scorned lover I doubt it will be 4 people. I am getting the feeling the local PD can't handle this. Someone with experience better step in. These two that were in the house has to know something. 4 people can't be killed by hand without something being seen or heard.

I agree but there was that case in Italy where a couple was accused of murder but they both said it was an accident during sex. Could it be the two women were "loud" so roommates didn't notice? Far fetched, I know. And I doubt screams during passion could be mistaken for screams of terror. Someone in the house does know something, as you say.

NIKV69 · Fri Nov 18, 2022 5:30 pm

seb146 wrote:
I agree but there was that case in Italy where a couple was accused of murder but they both said it was an accident during sex. Could it be the two women were "loud" so roommates didn't notice? Far fetched, I know. And I doubt screams during passion could be mistaken for screams of terror. Someone in the house does know something, as you say.

The two other roommates know something, the police should have them surveilled.

victrola · Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:02 pm

One thing for sure is that the Lifetime channel is getting ready to make the movie of this one,

seb146 · Sat Nov 19, 2022 6:22 am

NIKV69 wrote:
seb146 wrote:
I agree but there was that case in Italy where a couple was accused of murder but they both said it was an accident during sex. Could it be the two women were "loud" so roommates didn't notice? Far fetched, I know. And I doubt screams during passion could be mistaken for screams of terror. Someone in the house does know something, as you say.

The two other roommates know something, the police should have them surveilled.

I heard a report earlier today about tactical gear and a specific tactical knife used. So, police know something.

Many moons ago, I would visit my friend who went to UI. We would show up at house parties. Me, that only one person knew, and him, who only knew like five people. Out of the like 50 or so people at the party. I have not spent any time in Moscow recently, but that was the atmosphere back then.

seb146 · Sat Nov 19, 2022 3:20 pm

Just a housekeeping point:

Spokane County is assisting Latah County Sherriff and Moscow Police in this investigation. Spokane County Coroner performed the autopsies as well. Spokane is the nearest major city to Moscow. They have their share of murders, so they are better equiped to investigate than Latah County or Moscow.

NIKV69 · Sat Nov 19, 2022 3:34 pm

seb146 wrote:
Just a housekeeping point:

Spokane County is assisting Latah County Sherriff and Moscow Police in this investigation. Spokane County Coroner performed the autopsies as well. Spokane is the nearest major city to Moscow. They have their share of murders, so they are better equiped to investigate than Latah County or Moscow.

Good to hear, the local PD is out of their league and we needs some progress made on this.

NIKV69 · Sat Nov 19, 2022 5:29 pm

TMZ just breaking that two of the students made frantic calls to a friend just before the murders. As soon as source goes live I will post.

NIKV69 · Sat Nov 19, 2022 6:38 pm

https://www.tmz.com/2022/11/19/universi ... s-murders/

bluecrew · Sat Nov 19, 2022 7:18 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
4 people can't be killed by hand without something being seen or heard.

Agree, one of the things people get misled by movies and TV shows with is that murders are very quiet.

There was some sort of interview with a crime scene investigator, long-form, that I saw many years ago. He went into disturbing detail on various ways people are killed and what it's like in reality. It's a primal fight for your life, really base, animal instincts kick in as a way to defend yourself. Adrenaline courses through your body, you look for anything you can use to protect yourself, retreat to safety, scream and shout, etc.

Two people being home is a real question mark to me... was it confirmed they were home at the time of the killings?

NIKV69 · Sat Nov 19, 2022 7:27 pm

bluecrew wrote:
[was it confirmed they were home at the time of the killings?

Yes and I get a very bad feeling about them

910A · Sat Nov 19, 2022 8:06 pm

Looks like some of the victims were asleep at the time of the incident.

More than 40 FBI agents have been assigned to the case, including 22 investigators in Moscow working with the Idaho State Police and local authorities.
The four University of Idaho students who were killed Sunday in an off-campus house probably were asleep when they were stabbed, the county coroner said, and some of them showed signs of trying to fight their attacker.

Each was stabbed multiple times, and some had defensive wounds, the Latah County coroner said in a statement released late Friday by police in Moscow, Idaho

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... p-stabbed/

mxaxai · Sat Nov 19, 2022 8:48 pm

bluecrew wrote:
Agree, one of the things people get misled by movies and TV shows with is that murders are very quiet.

On the other hand, one is often surprised what people manage to ignore. Robbers have managed to clear out entire apartments while the family was sitting in front of the TV, unaware what was going on.

Personally, if I'm asleep or wearing headphones, I tend to not notice anything short of the (earpiercingly loud) fire alarm. WW3 could be waged in my front yard and I would only realize after waking up the next morning. It's great for sleeping on planes or trains, though.

NIKV69 · Sat Nov 19, 2022 10:47 pm

Police now say ride share didn't drive two of the victims home but a "private party" did and they want to find this person.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-murder ... ce-now-say

seb146 · Sun Nov 20, 2022 2:03 am

bluecrew wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
4 people can't be killed by hand without something being seen or heard.

Agree, one of the things people get misled by movies and TV shows with is that murders are very quiet.

There was some sort of interview with a crime scene investigator, long-form, that I saw many years ago. He went into disturbing detail on various ways people are killed and what it's like in reality. It's a primal fight for your life, really base, animal instincts kick in as a way to defend yourself. Adrenaline courses through your body, you look for anything you can use to protect yourself, retreat to safety, scream and shout, etc.

Two people being home is a real question mark to me... was it confirmed they were home at the time of the killings?

Headphones over both ears and back to the rest of the house, it is possible. The brosband talks to me as soon as he comes through the door after work. As long as we have been together, I have always had only one of my ears with the headphones, the other free to hear him. I can carry on a conversation with him and enjoy a video at the same time. Some of these hard core gamers, though, I doubt they think about that.

NIKV69 · Sun Nov 20, 2022 2:40 pm

One curve ball after another
https://www.tmz.com/2022/11/20/idaho-mu ... e-suspect/

phatfarmlines · Sun Nov 20, 2022 3:00 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
One curve ball after another
https://www.tmz.com/2022/11/20/idaho-mu ... e-suspect/

Potentially seems like the end-plot of "Scream 4" -harming oneself to look like a victim?

NIKV69 · Mon Nov 21, 2022 2:46 pm

Ugh could have crime scene contamination. What on earth is going on?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/uknews/i ... 674b44c263

stratosphere · Tue Nov 22, 2022 4:44 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
Ugh could have crime scene contamination. What on earth is going on?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/uknews/i ... 674b44c263

This looks like a keystone cops operation if I ever saw one...

DIRECTFLT · Tue Nov 22, 2022 5:34 pm

After all of this time, we're finally learning some basic facts, that the home had 3 floors, and a basement. Or maybe the MSM counts the basement as a floor. Who knows what rules they follow. Their own, I guess...

Anyway, here is a timeline, to to try and make sense of what happened when, and where...

https://abcnews.go.com/US/idaho-college ... d=93575278

DIRECTFLT · Tue Nov 22, 2022 6:17 pm

Confirmed, a 3 story home with a basement. But sadly no Ring doorbell or Ring floodlight security camera....

As a side note, does anyone know how common it is for 4-6 girls in college to rent a home??
I was trying to remember if anyone I knew when in college that had rented a home for 4-6 people... Can't think of one example.

NIKV69 · Tue Nov 22, 2022 11:42 pm

stratosphere wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
Ugh could have crime scene contamination. What on earth is going on?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/uknews/i ... 674b44c263

This looks like a keystone cops operation if I ever saw one...

911 Should have told them not to touch anything I would think.

DIRECTFLT wrote:
As a side note, does anyone know how common it is for 4-6 girls in college to rent a home??
I was trying to remember if anyone I knew when in college that had rented a home for 4-6 people... Can't think of one example.

Very common

casinterest · Wed Nov 23, 2022 1:09 am

NIKV69 wrote:
stratosphere wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
Ugh could have crime scene contamination. What on earth is going on?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/uknews/i ... 674b44c263

This looks like a keystone cops operation if I ever saw one...

911 Should have told them not to touch anything I would think.

DIRECTFLT wrote:
As a side note, does anyone know how common it is for 4-6 girls in college to rent a home??
I was trying to remember if anyone I knew when in college that had rented a home for 4-6 people... Can't think of one example.

Very common

Very common. Many places when I went to college specifically designed 3 and 4 bedroom apartments each with their own bathroom.
Some of them had 2 people per room.

johns624 · Wed Nov 23, 2022 1:42 am

NIKV69 wrote:
stratosphere wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
Ugh could have crime scene contamination. What on earth is going on?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/uknews/i ... 674b44c263

This looks like a keystone cops operation if I ever saw one...

911 Should have told them not to touch anything I would think.

DIRECTFLT wrote:
As a side note, does anyone know how common it is for 4-6 girls in college to rent a home??
I was trying to remember if anyone I knew when in college that had rented a home for 4-6 people... Can't think of one example.

Very common

Wasn't the original 911 call for an "unconscious person"?

TriJets · Wed Nov 23, 2022 12:30 pm

johns624 wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
stratosphere wrote:

This looks like a keystone cops operation if I ever saw one...

911 Should have told them not to touch anything I would think.

DIRECTFLT wrote:
As a side note, does anyone know how common it is for 4-6 girls in college to rent a home??
I was trying to remember if anyone I knew when in college that had rented a home for 4-6 people... Can't think of one example.

Very common
Wasn't the original 911 call for an "unconscious person"?

Also not uncommon, if you call 911 and say “I can’t wake my friend up and they have blood on them” they will typically dispatch it as an unconscious person call.

johns624 · Wed Nov 23, 2022 2:05 pm

TriJets wrote:
johns624 wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:

911 Should have told them not to touch anything I would think.

Very common
Wasn't the original 911 call for an "unconscious person"?

Also not uncommon, if you call 911 and say “I can’t wake my friend up and they have blood on them” they will typically dispatch it as an unconscious person call.

I was mainly responding to the poster who thought the 911 operator must've told them not to touch anything or let anyone around. If it was an "unconscious person" call, I doubt it, while if it was a "stabbing victim", they would've.

johns624 · Wed Nov 23, 2022 2:05 pm

TriJets wrote:
johns624 wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:

911 Should have told them not to touch anything I would think.

Very common
Wasn't the original 911 call for an "unconscious person"?

Also not uncommon, if you call 911 and say “I can’t wake my friend up and they have blood on them” they will typically dispatch it as an unconscious person call.

I was mainly responding to the poster who thought the 911 operator must've told them not to touch anything or let anyone around. If it was an "unconscious person" call, I doubt it, while if it was a "stabbing victim", they would've.

TriJets · Wed Nov 23, 2022 2:20 pm

johns624 wrote:
TriJets wrote:
johns624 wrote:
Wasn't the original 911 call for an "unconscious person"?

Also not uncommon, if you call 911 and say “I can’t wake my friend up and they have blood on them” they will typically dispatch it as an unconscious person call.
I was mainly responding to the poster who thought the 911 operator must've told them not to touch anything or let anyone around. If it was an "unconscious person" call, I doubt it, while if it was a "stabbing victim", they would've.

Good point.

DIRECTFLT · Wed Nov 23, 2022 2:24 pm

casinterest wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
stratosphere wrote:

This looks like a keystone cops operation if I ever saw one...

911 Should have told them not to touch anything I would think.

DIRECTFLT wrote:
As a side note, does anyone know how common it is for 4-6 girls in college to rent a home??
I was trying to remember if anyone I knew when in college that had rented a home for 4-6 people... Can't think of one example.

Very common

Very common. Many places when I went to college specifically designed 3 and 4 bedroom apartments each with their own bathroom.
Some of them had 2 people per room.

I knew college students who lived in apartments. Some even lived just off campus in a 20 story unit. But I didn't know of anyone that was living in a rented home with 4-6 people back in the day.

seb146 · Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:18 pm

DIRECTFLT wrote:
casinterest wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:

911 Should have told them not to touch anything I would think.

Very common

Very common. Many places when I went to college specifically designed 3 and 4 bedroom apartments each with their own bathroom.
Some of them had 2 people per room.

I knew college students who lived in apartments. Some even lived just off campus in a 20 story unit. But I didn't know of anyone that was living in a rented home with 4-6 people back in the day.

Depends on what school. University of Washington? No. University of Idaho? Yes. There are more affordable homes to rent than apartments available in Moscow versus Seattle.

bennett123 · Wed Nov 23, 2022 8:43 pm

DIRECTFLT wrote:
casinterest wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:

911 Should have told them not to touch anything I would think.

Very common

Very common. Many places when I went to college specifically designed 3 and 4 bedroom apartments each with their own bathroom.
Some of them had 2 people per room.

I knew college students who lived in apartments. Some even lived just off campus in a 20 story unit. But I didn't know of anyone that was living in a rented home with 4-6 people back in the day.

I did when I was at NE London Polytechnic in the 1980's.

910A · Sat Dec 17, 2022 12:28 am

Residents and students in Moscow are getting frustrated by the lack of information regarding this crime

Idaho students’ unsolved deaths prompt rumors, harassment

BOISE, Idaho (AP) — Investigators have yet to name a suspect in the stabbing deaths of four University of Idaho students who were found dead in a home near campus last month. But would-be armchair detectives and internet sleuths have come up with several of their own, the conclusions often based on conjecture and rumor.

Online forums with thousands of members are full of people speculating about possible motives, doxxing the victims’ friends and acquaintances and even outright labeling some people as murderers.

“People are going down these rabbit holes, and they’re hyperfocusing on one individual and attacking that individual,” said Tauna Davis, an Idaho State Police trooper who is helping the Moscow Police Department handle the influx of media interview requests. “You’re attacking, most likely, an innocent person.”

Relatively few details have been released about the homicides, which have left the small college town shaken and grieving for Madison Mogen, Kaylee Goncalves, Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin. The four were friends and all members of the university’s Greek system.

https://apnews.com/article/idaho-d6e5ac ... 618d550d30

Lack of transparency by the police can lead to greater harm.

seb146 · Sat Dec 17, 2022 2:19 am

910A wrote:
Residents and students in Moscow are getting frustrated by the lack of information regarding this crime

Idaho students’ unsolved deaths prompt rumors, harassment

BOISE, Idaho (AP) — Investigators have yet to name a suspect in the stabbing deaths of four University of Idaho students who were found dead in a home near campus last month. But would-be armchair detectives and internet sleuths have come up with several of their own, the conclusions often based on conjecture and rumor.

Online forums with thousands of members are full of people speculating about possible motives, doxxing the victims’ friends and acquaintances and even outright labeling some people as murderers.

“People are going down these rabbit holes, and they’re hyperfocusing on one individual and attacking that individual,” said Tauna Davis, an Idaho State Police trooper who is helping the Moscow Police Department handle the influx of media interview requests. “You’re attacking, most likely, an innocent person.”

Relatively few details have been released about the homicides, which have left the small college town shaken and grieving for Madison Mogen, Kaylee Goncalves, Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin. The four were friends and all members of the university’s Greek system.
https://apnews.com/article/idaho-d6e5ac ... 618d550d30

Lack of transparency by the police can lead to greater harm.

But the police don't want to tip their hand. It is frustrating and scary but giving up all the information police have would cause more harm toward innocent people and, possibly, suspects escaping.

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