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Got To Experience An Air Return Today

Thu Mar 06, 2003 3:58 am

Well, today was certainly an interesting day for me. I had a nice day trip from EWR to TPA planned today so that I could go enjoy a NY Yankees game at Legend's Field. This was not to be the case however. A few minutes after take off the captain came over the PA to announce that we had a problem with the nose gear. He said it was not coming up but not to worry it was coming down alright and that we would have to return to EWR. So, we are flying for a few mins and the captain comes over and tells us that we need to burn off some fuel because we were too heavy to land. He told us we'd have to do laps around EWR for about 30 minutes to lighten us up a bit. It turned out to be more than that though as it was about an hour and twenty minutes from when we took off to when we finally touches ground again. We were met by the airport emergency vehicles as we landed and they followed us back to our gate just as a precautionary measure. They already had a new aircraft set up for us at the next gate over but unfortunately my friend and I did not get on the new aircraft because with the delay we would have arrived in TPA well after the time our baseball game would have started. Too bad though, since I was looking forward to getting away from this cold NY weather for a day. But it was definitely an interesting experience today for sure. I'm glad it was only a gear problem and not a flight control or engine problem, then maybe I woulda been a bit nervous. There was a woman in the back though that did have a panic attack. Most of the people on the plane really couldnt care less it seemed. I was talking to the guy next to me and I was telling him there was nothing to really worry about unless it was that the gear didnt want to come down. Then our landing would have been a bit interesting. One thing that was weird though was that after the captain made the initial announcement one of the FA's came bolting from the back of the plane to get one of the FA handbooks, but she was like frantic about it, as if she was nervous. That certainly could not have looked good to some of the passengers. Well, thats about it for my air scare. I know some of the people on this board have experienced inflight incidents, just thought I'd share another...
On a side note I also had somewhat of a celebrity sitting right across from me on the plane. This wrestler from the WWE named Big Show was on my flight. Im not a fan of wrestling at all so he didnt faze me at all but man that is one big guy!
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RE: Got To Experience An Air Return Today

Thu Mar 06, 2003 4:12 am

I'm glad everything turned out okay, but may I ask what airline & what type aircraft? And don't worry, there's always other Yankees games to be seen.  Wink/being sarcastic Regards.
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RE: Got To Experience An Air Return Today

Thu Mar 06, 2003 4:17 am

sorry, it was a Continental MD-80
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RE: Got To Experience An Air Return Today

Thu Mar 06, 2003 4:32 am

I only had 1 return to the departure airport experience. Was on a (old)
Frontier MD80 flying from PHX-DEN (Stapleton). We were loaded on the
plane, took off just fine and about 10-15 minutes out, someone on the
flight deck advised us that we had to return to PHX. Apparently a dog
which was loaded on the plane was loaded in the wrong cargo area.
Didn't take long to make the switch once on the delayed
my getting home to Colorado Springs as my then 9 month old son
was going into surgery (which turned out fine).

What a long strange trip it's been
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RE: Got To Experience An Air Return Today

Thu Mar 06, 2003 4:46 am

I was on a CO express ERJ last year and had to do a return due to the gear indicator saying the gear was still down even though it was up. Our plane was full of older people and they were all freaking for some reason. Anyways, I was very impressed how CO express handled the situation. After we landed, we only had to wait 20 minutes until we boarded another plane.
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RE: Got To Experience An Air Return Today

Thu Mar 06, 2003 5:07 am

You had Paul Wight on your flight? Man, You should've gotten his autograph....FOR ME!!!!
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RE: Got To Experience An Air Return Today

Thu Mar 06, 2003 5:12 am

I had a return back after Christmas of 1998 on a Continental Express EMB 120. We had a flaps disagree warning, even though it was evident that the flaps were stowed. Everyone was quite calm, and the landing was uneventful.

And, like the other people who have commented, the CoEx people in ALB were awesome. They had everyone rebooked within about a half hour.
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RE: Got To Experience An Air Return Today

Thu Mar 06, 2003 5:15 am

I had an interesting one about 8/9 years ago. Since we love reading detailed stories like this, please forgive me, but this might be long:

While returning from our annual trip to PHX to visit family during spring break, My grandmother and I (who were non-rev'ing)got stuck at PHL during a major nor'easter that had the whole east coast shut down.

Upon arriving in PHL, to find the airport packed to the gills with passengers with delayed and canceled flights, trying to get where they were going. The situation was further depressed by that fact that it was during the B/C concourse remodeling, meaning the place look like a dump (Obviously this means we were flying US)! Despite having almost no chance, we tried to make the last flight to MHT (The one we had listed for had been cancled). Needless to say, we didn't get on (Nor did the 50 or so other standby pax from previous cancled flights). So around 9 PM we were abkle to find a hotel room to sopend the night in. The courtesy van ride was nightmare as we couldn't see more then a foot in front of the vehichle and the slippery roads had us fish-tailing all the way yhere (This place was in NJ btw).

Our room was on the 10th floor of this round-tower hotel, and of course our window wouldn't shut tight, meaning we never slept to to the sound of the wind.

The next morning we took the van back to PHL this time the driver could see where he was going. We spent the whole day trying to get to either MHT or BOS. Finally, at 7PM, we were able to get on a plane bound for MHT. The aircraft was a 737-200. Technically the plane made it to MHT, but never landed. Despite the pilots best efforts, the weather was still too strong, so he took us back to PHL (I was so tired and frustrated I started crying when I saw the flaps retracting as we begain reascending).

Back at PHL, we and everyone else from that flight rushed down to the other concourse trying to make the next and last flight of the day to MHT (If it wasn't canceled). Surprsingly it wasn't. However, when the gate agent saw this aux-masse of people, practially running at her, she made the announcement that they would try to get all of us to MHT that night, but there would be a slight delay and a gate change. We were sent back to the gate we had just disembarked from and waited. The 737 was towed away. after about 2 hrs. they towed in a DC-9.

Now I have to assume that this is a plane that US kept around for when they needed a spare plane. This thing obviously had not been used in quite some time. There was thick layer of dust on the seats, and the inside was dirty, grungy and worn to pieces. The lavaotores were as retro as they come. It was the 1st and last time I saw an electrcal outlet for razors in a airplane lav. If you had told me this had come from Mojave after being parked there the early 80's I would have belived you. We did find relief that our pilot was a US Navy pilot, who did a great job under the circumstances.

Amazingly, the old bird made it to MHT with no problems.

I hope I NEVER have another trip like that again!
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RE: Got To Experience An Air Return Today

Thu Mar 06, 2003 5:16 am

I wonder why he didn't dump fuel?

That is SOP.
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RE: Got To Experience An Air Return Today

Thu Mar 06, 2003 7:24 am

>>>I wonder why he didn't dump fuel?

Because it didn't have fuel dump system installed....

There uses to be an FAR 121 requirement that if an aircraft's max certificated taxeoff weight exceeded its max structural landing weight by more than 105%, then a fuel dump system had to be installed. That's why you see them in older aircraft like the 707, 747, etc. As twins like the early 737s and DC-9s were first introduced in the 1960s, they were very short-haul, and the 105% was never an issue, at least, at first. In order to "grow" the 737 and DC-9 families of aircraft into longer range variants (without redesigning the aircraft to now include a fuel dump system due to the 105% rule), the regulations were changed to delete the 105% requirement and now require a minimum climb gradient, which the newer engines on the bigger 737s and DC-9s could comply with, not to mention newer twins like the 757 and 767. Some of these newer twins do make a fuel dumping system an option at the time of manufacture.
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RE: Got To Experience An Air Return Today

Thu Mar 06, 2003 7:36 am

Will you recieve any form of compensation?
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RE: Got To Experience An Air Return Today

Thu Mar 06, 2003 8:49 am

Not to sound weird, but I think it would be pretty cool to be on a plane when that happens....Just as long as it's not a very serious emergency.-Brett
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RE: Got To Experience An Air Return Today

Thu Mar 06, 2003 12:54 pm

Sounds pretty cool unless all you want to do is get home, particularly
after the delay described.

What a long strange trip it's been
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RE: Got To Experience An Air Return Today

Thu Mar 06, 2003 3:04 pm said it all. Those things shouldn't even be certified. We laid two down in the last two days at work(i.e-didn't let it go back out after it came in with a write-up). Kinda funny how the 30yr old 727s come and go.........
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RE: Got To Experience An Air Return Today

Fri Mar 07, 2003 5:00 am

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