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Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 8:49 am

Over the weekend, I was reading about embalmed cadavers, being repatriated on AA to the city that the family wanted them to be buried at, in the cargo hold along with everything else... and was sorta creeped out!  Wow!

I guess they've gotta get back home someway, but still....

How common is this? Any other airlines routinely do so? How about FX, 5X, and their ilk?
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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 8:56 am

I see coffins and bodies coming off United flights in GRR constantly.
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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 8:58 am

ConcordeBoy:

How common is this? Any other airlines routinely do so?

It's extremely common. Most airlines operating planes that are large enough to do so transport human remains in the cargo hold. The bodies must be embalmed and in at least a shipping casket. Shipping caskets are inexpensive metal caskets that are contained in a large cardboard box, for lack of a better term, and metal straps wrapped around it at several points.

Most human remains are shipped in a shipping caskets because they are much lighter in weight than a funeral casket. The deceased is transferred into the casket for burial at the funeral home in the arrival city.
 
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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 8:59 am

Yep, it's normal; some locales tend to ship more bodies than others (i.e. Florida)

Morbid, eh?
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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 9:00 am

Wouldn't using FedEx or UPS be more efficient? After all, it's just a big package....
 
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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 9:00 am

As much as we do not like to think about it, it is part of life, (no pun intended!) What is the expression, "the only sure thing in life is death and taxes".
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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 9:13 am

Wouldn't using FedEx or UPS be more efficient? After all, it's just a big package....

I don't think that FedEx and/or UPS accept mortal remains. I worked for Airborne Express and we certainly did not.

No, a dead person is NOT just a package. That was somebody's parent, somebody's grandparent, somebody's child, somebody's brother or sister. If you had a deceased relative, would you want to have the image in your mind that the method used to transport them to their final resting place is a system primarily intended for small packages and letters? Is the FedEx guy going to drive his truck to the cemetary for the burial? Should we expect the priest to sign the delivery manifest?

When a casket is loaded and handled, it has to be handled properly as the contents are rather fragile. For example, you are supposed to load the head forward (aimed towards the nose) of the aircraft or (as if you wanted to hear this) gravity during takeoff could pull all the embalming fluids out their eyes and other skull orifices. Not great.
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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 9:16 am

It's quite common with pretty much any carrier you can think of. I can't think of one I have experience with, that hasn't shipped HUM (human remains) as cargo.

In most cases I recall, the body was placed in a coffin, and the coffin was placed on a foam mat on a pallette and covered with a cardboard box.
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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 9:18 am

Sounds like the cadavers get treated with much more respect than the live passengers!
 
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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 9:19 am

In Japan, they show this on TV all the time.

I guess the Japanese think a shot of a casket coming out of a plane is a very depressing and tearful moment. The Japanese TV stations don't usually miss it when some famous Japanese national dies overseas. Upon his/her return to the homeland, there is always a clip of casket coming out of a plane.

I don't see TV stations chasing caskets at airports in the States.

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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 9:19 am

Acidradio:

When a casket is loaded and handled, it has to be handled properly as the contents are rather fragile. For example, you are supposed to load the head forward (aimed towards the nose) of the aircraft or (as if you wanted to hear this) gravity during takeoff could pull all the embalming fluids out their eyes and other skull orifices. Not great.

Good post and thanks for the information about the special handling. I knew special handling was required, but did not know exactly what as I have never worked on the ramp.
 
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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 9:24 am

Great to hear, Acidradio! Now, I definently don't want to work on the ramp! i don't know if there is a code for a sick smiley face, but thats what I had in mind for this.

I know for a fact that my grandfather was on a Delta flight FLL-LGA a few years ago. Luckly, I flew ATL-LGA, so I didn't have to think about it. it is unfortunant, but it has to be done.

[Edited 2003-12-23 01:27:01]
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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 9:26 am

I can remember in 1979 when I was almost 9 years old. My aunt had passed away in PA from a brain aneurysm at age 32. They shipped her home from York PA to TOL on Allegheny in a white box. We met her friend at the airport who was on the same flight. We saw the white box pass the window on the baggage cart and over to the waiting hearse. I will never forget it.

Also, in 1989 we had a victim or two locally of the UA DC10 crash in Sioux City. I had to go to the airport to buy a ticket right after that crash. In front of the airport a hearse was parked. I glanced in the back window as I was walking by. I saw another white box and on the end of the box, it was marked "head". I guessed it was someone from the crash.

I guess most of us can't really choose where to die. It's just a fact that if you want to be sent home, you'll probably have to fly somehow.
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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 9:27 am

My company takes decieced people back from offshore installations whenever the solumn task is required and in no way is it routine its sad and depressing, we also took home the bodys from piper alpha and that was no way routine, R.I.P the piper alpha fallen
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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 9:28 am

i don't know if there is a code for a sick smiley face

Ya mean like this?
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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 9:30 am

Hrm, I have never loaded a casket into a hearse. There's a few rules that I do recall for the handling of HUM -

- Must be in a covered cart, by itself
- Curtains must be closed
- Do not place in a pit with an AVI
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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 9:31 am

Concordeboy,
that'll do!
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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 9:34 am

It is a common occurrence.

A moment for our country....

Just this year, in PHL, boarding a DL 757 PHL-ATL, there was an Army representative supervising the transport of a Army soldier who died in Iraq or Afghanistan (I presume).

I was a sombering moment. Proud to be an American, yet sad for this soldier unknown to me. We all stood in the gate area as they transported the box onto the aircraft.

My seat was 2D, right above where they brought the box onto the aircraft.

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Does anyone know the cost to transport a body?
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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 9:41 am

B4real:

Just this year, in PHL, boarding a DL 757 PHL-ATL, there was an Army representative supervising the transport of a Army soldier who died in Iraq or Afghanistan (I presume).

The remains of fallen soldiers travel with a military escort. During Viet Nam I saw a lot of them. It seemed as if there was at least one every day.

As to the cost of transportation of remains, I am thinking (but certainly could not swear to it) that it's in the neighborhood of about $300.
 
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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 9:44 am

PiedmontGirl:

Thanks for the ballpark estimate. It is a sad thing to see, if you saw a bunch of that during 'Nam, it is sad to think that this occurence would be normal.

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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 9:48 am

When i worked at PWM delta had lots of them some big some small. I feel bad though because the handelers aren't really careful with them and it gets me really upset to see that. Anywho yeah its kinda odd the first time you're like what the heck then they tell you and i was totally shocked at first but then i noticed them every day or so. I just couldnt imagin traveling wiht your dead relative underneath.....hmmmm
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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 9:57 am

B4real:

Why....thank you!!  Smile

Thanks for the ballpark estimate. It is a sad thing to see, if you saw a bunch of that during 'Nam, it is sad to think that this occurence would be normal.

I saw a lot of it. If the plane makes a stop, the escort deplanes and stands guard at the cargo bin door where the remains are placed. The escort reboards when the cargo doors are closed and the flight is ready for departure. If there is a mechanical delay, the escort stands guard until the repairs are completed and the flight is ready to go.

I saw it over and over. As I say, it seemed like every day.
 
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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 10:11 am

The worst are probably the dingbat passengers who have no respect for the event before them.

Though, everyone in my area was respectful. I bet some s(*theads would make fun of the military escort if he is standing in the rain watching the casket, not knowing what he is doing.

I'm not with a military background, but have a lot of respect for people who effectively risk their lives to serve to protect my freedom. Even a chef on a transport, or a supply clerk. They all are risking their lives. From the Navy, Coast Gaurd, Marines, Army, Air Force, and even police and firefighters.

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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 10:31 am

Here's BWIA's policies:
http://www.bwee.com/cargo/caring.html
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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 10:31 am

B4real:

I once saw an escort standing in the rain guarding the cargo bin door. We were at one of those cities without loading bridges. A woman about 45 or so was walking across the ramp to get on the flight. She took a little detour to spit in the escort's face.

When she got to the top of the stairs she was very pleased with herself and was pointing out what she had done. I said nothing to her, but the Captain who was standing in the companion way with me said I gave her a look that would "...stop time...." I take it he was correct. She became very quiet, very fast. In fact, she stopped in mid sentence.

 
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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 10:59 am

Last year my grandmother passed away. Her last 'flight' was on USAirways from BWI to LAX.

We checked and yes, all of the airlines do it. Since BWI was/is a hub for USAirways their schedules worked out better for us. Plus I think the funeral home in Baltimore had some sort of agreement with them.

If I remember the cost was around $400.
 
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Tue Dec 23, 2003 11:40 am

I know a guy who flew dead bodies in a twin-engine single pilot as one of his first flying jobs. He said it's convenient when they're loaded with the head in the back and feet up front, because you can put charts and checklists in between their toes!

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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 11:45 am

Goboeing:

He said it's convenient when they're loaded with the head in the back and feet up front, because you can put charts and checklists in between their toes!

You have all the makings of a fine airline pilot -- including having eyes that change color depending on whether or not you are a quart low.  Smile
 
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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 11:52 am

I once saw an escort standing in the rain guarding the cargo bin door. We were at one of those cities without loading bridges. A woman about 45 or so was walking across the ramp to get on the flight. She took a little detour to spit in the escort's face.

When she got to the top of the stairs she was very pleased with herself and was pointing out what she had done. I said nothing to her, but the Captain who was standing in the companion way with me said I gave her a look that would "...stop time...." I take it he was correct. She became very quiet, very fast. In fact, she stopped in mid sentence.

--

I assume this was during the 70s, in the era of Vietnam and much more ravenous peace-creeps.....

I have doubts something like that would fly now.....
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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 11:53 am

There is the story, hopefully not an urban legend, about the two men on a JFK-SJU flight with a curiously heavy garment bag as carry-on luggage. It turned out to contain their grandmother's stiff, being returned for burial.
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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 11:58 am

Goose:

I assume this was during the 70s, in the era of Vietnam and much more ravenous peace-creeps.....

I should have made myself plainer. It was about 1970-1971 during Viet Nam. You're right. It would never fly now. She might not make it to the plane.

PROSA:

There is the story, hopefully not an urban legend, about the two men on a JFK-SJU flight with a curiously heavy garment bag as carry-on luggage. It turned out to contain their grandmother's stiff, being returned for burial.

It was supposed to have happened on an Eastern flight out of LGA. Apparently the flight was being boarded and the F/A felt something brush against the back of her leg. When she turned to look, it was the arm of a very old, very dead woman that had fallen out of a garmet bag in the closet. People who worked for Eastern swear it's true and given the odd things that happen on airplanes, it might be. I have doubts about it, but............


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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 12:05 pm

I should have made myself plainer. It was about 1970-1971 during Viet Nam. You're right. It would never fly now. She might not make it to the plane.

I've been a ramp guy for a while, and seen a lot of people do a lot of stupid things at ground-loading stations. But if I saw someone do that on my flight, you're right - they might not make it to the plane......  Big grin
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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 12:22 pm

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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 12:40 pm

I have a morbid question.

Would an airline employee get his transportation free of charge? The only reason I ask is that my grandfather was a longtime (30 years, I believe) TWA employee. I know he flew home from BOS to PHL. He also made a final connection in STL.

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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 12:49 pm

Goose:

......you're right - they might not make it to the plane......  Big grin

Seriously!  Big grin

Aa757first:

Would an airline employee get his transportation free of charge?

That's a good question. I don't know. I somehow doubt it. There might be an airline that would fly a deceased employee home for free, but I think it would be a rare carrier that would do that.
 
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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 12:52 pm

There was a story going around (via email) that a pilot (it may have been Delta) announced to the passengers that they had the honor of transporting so-and-so soldier home from battle.

I don't know if it's true, but it would be nice to think that it was being noted.

[Edited 2003-12-23 05:00:15]
 
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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 12:59 pm

767Lover:

There was a story going around (via email) that a pilot (it may have been Delta) announced to the passengers that they the honor of transporting so-and-so soldier home from battle.

I saw that same e-mail. I don't know if it's true either, but it wouldn't be too far-fetched to think that it is. An extremely high percentage of Delta's pilots are ex-military, so I understand, so I can see one of them making such an announcement.

It would be nice to think it was being noted.
 
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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 1:05 pm

I can answer the question in two ways.

When my father passed away, I was flying for National(original). My mom and dad lived in SRQ and he was to be buried in TLH. Since NAL didn't go from SRQ to TLH, we got a discount on EAL to ship his remains.

The other is a bit more complicated. My sister-in-law's father was at one time a check pilot for National. Way back in 1960 he had to go to Costa Rica to pick up a plane that had had a mechanical. The plane wasn't ready and he and his co-pilot took a side trip. The plane crashed in the jungle and the wreckage wasn't found until 1980. By then, Pan Am had taken over National, and Pan Am shipped his remains back to MIA for nothing. BTW, the only way they were sure of his identity, plastic credit cards.
 
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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 1:08 pm

My father works with Air Canada, and apparently people ship bodies oversea's back to the 'motherland' all the time from Winnipeg. SOmetimes the family will even want to fly on the same flights that the body is on...that can sometime be a pain in the ass if you are interlining the body and with customs.
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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 1:16 pm

Skyhawk:

I know that airlines used to do that. Piedmont would have and did on several occasions. It was very good of Eastern to offer the discount and it was very nice of Pan Am to fly your sister-in-law's father home for free.

However, I have serious doubts that any more than one or two of them would do it now. I would like to be proven wrong about that.
 
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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 1:25 pm

PiedmontGirl-Maybe it is the eternal optimist in me, but I still have the confidence in human caring and understanding to think it would still happen.
If you are an employee, it would happen because, whether or not we want to think of it like this, the deceased's body would go through the freight department, and as an employee you are entitled to a discount on freight shipments.
 
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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 1:34 pm

As part of my duty, I had to pick up the remains of a Sailor that died on active duty once at the UAL cargo area here in Denver. After checking in at the office, they told us we could escort the Sailor to the funeral director's car as soon as it arrived at the warehouse.

We were approached by a supervisor that he was ready. They loaded the casket (in a cardboard outer box) onto a fork lift. We placed a flag appropriately over the box, and we started walking toward the loading area.
Half way through the building, (and it is fairly large) I noticed it was very quiet.

Looking around, we noticed everything had come to a stand still until we past. The men and women of United Airlines were paying their respects to the fallen Sailor in their own way. Just a very nice gesture.

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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 1:46 pm

Skyhawk:

If you are an employee, it would happen because, whether or not we want to think of it like this, the deceased's body would go through the freight department, and as an employee you are entitled to a discount on freight shipments.

Maybe, depending on the airline, if the deceased person had a spouse or other relative who worked for the airline. I think that otherwise the deceased's relatives would be told that the deceased is no longer an employee and therefore gets no discount.
 
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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 1:56 pm

I unloaded a few bodies that came from Iraq. Lots of people cried on the ramp. As for the original question, dead bodies are very common. The code for them is N1, the container looks like a huge box and it has HEAD written on it. Death certificate and necessary paperwork is attached to the casket, and sometimes you can read a person's name. As for loading procedures - head has to be higher than the toes, so it's loaded head-first and unloaded toes-first. On widebodies, they go into the rear manual pit - not with containers. On narrowbodies, they go into the back pit of the plane (pit 6). You can put bags around it, but NOT on top.

Hopefully that answered some questions.


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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 2:52 pm

I unloaded a few bodies that came from Iraq. Lots of people cried on the ramp. As for the original question, dead bodies are very common. The code for them is N1, the container looks like a huge box and it has HEAD written on it....

....As for loading procedures - head has to be higher than the toes, so it's loaded head-first and unloaded toes-first. On widebodies, they go into the rear manual pit - not with containers. On narrowbodies, they go into the back pit of the plane (pit 6). You can put bags around it, but NOT on top.


These procedures and commodity codes differ from airline to airline - airlines up here which I have experience with tag human remains with a three-letter code - HUM.

I've seen human remains loaded in the rear, but not exclusively in Pit 6, and not always with an exclusion on loading bags on-top. I've seen baggage loaded on top, sometimes. The loading procedures (head-first on, toes-first off, head high) are pretty much the same.
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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 2:58 pm

Sometimes, the human remains are shipped on a skid with lots of other cargo. You wouldn't even know unless you paid attention to the shipping label attached to the pallet netting.
 
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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 3:15 pm

It sure beats walking!..............

sorry, was getting morbid..

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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 3:15 pm

Wouldn't it make more sense to put the dead bodies on Amtrak (pardon my ignorance, but then the gravity factor wouldn't matter period...
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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 3:50 pm

I recall some years ago reading that one of TPA's most common outgoing cargo was this type...given the very high percentage of elderly who are non-native to FL...and want to go back home to north for last time...

When I was 8 yrs old back in 64, my Dad died in FL and Mom & I flew for first time back to BOS...I presume Dad was on same plane...only thing I remember was seeing Washington monument and Capitol at nite as we must have stopped at National...
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RE: Dead Bodies On Regular Flights?

Tue Dec 23, 2003 4:03 pm

If you believe my employer (a well respected aviation professor at ERAU)...

It may be of interest to some people here to know that the number one air transport export of Volusia County (Daytona Beach), Florida, is dead bodies.

So much so, in fact, that Delta Air Lines has exclusivity agreements in place with some of the funeral homes in town. The most common single type of cargo exported on Delta Air Lines mainline flights out of DAB are dead bodies.

They even offer a "frequent flyer program" (of sorts) whereby the Undertakers themselves can earn mileage with these agreements.

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Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos