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Velasco
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Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Sat Jan 22, 2005 5:03 am

Just out of curiosity, will anyone out there let me know if there are any routes which pass over or near the poles? I suppose flights from, say, Scandinavia to Japan must fly above the arctic circle but do they fly a sort of straight line over the north pole or do they keep closer to inhabited land where airfields for an emergency landing are available? I guess there are no commercial flights that pass over Antartica (Sidney-Santiago, Perth-Joburg), but thats just me guessing. In the 80's I used to see russian airplanes in Maputo's airport bound for Antartica's russian bases: at the time, Mozambique was the socialist country closer to the south pole. God bless you all.
 
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RE: Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Sat Jan 22, 2005 5:09 am

EWR-HKG and EWR-SIN pass close to the north pole:



I'm not sure if AC still operates YYZ-DEL, but it gets close to the pole as well:



I've been told that someone used to operate GRU-SYD, but no airline flies this route anymore:



If anyone ever had the desire to fly JNB-PPT, it would come very close to the south pole:




 
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RE: Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Sat Jan 22, 2005 5:11 am

Just a guess:
SVO-SEA
SVO-YVR
SVO-ANC
???
 
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RE: Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Sat Jan 22, 2005 5:16 am

SVO-SEA:




SVO-ANC:

 
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RE: Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Sat Jan 22, 2005 5:21 am

Those graphics are amazing!! Where do you find things like that?

 Big thumbs up
 
Velasco
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RE: Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Sat Jan 22, 2005 5:23 am

Thanks Ssides, these images are great, but airlines dont really fly in straight lines from point do point, do they?  Big grin SVO-SEA as suggested by LEY7E7 would get reeeal close to the north pole if they did. But is there such a flight anyway..? Also, dont safety rules prevent airlines taking routes so far away from emergency airfields?  Confused
 
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RE: Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Sat Jan 22, 2005 5:26 am

PanAm747,

They are generated from the Great Circle Mapper page, http://gc.kls2.com/
 
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RE: Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Sat Jan 22, 2005 5:26 am

No, they don't, but they do use polar routes when the winds are right (usually they use the polar route in one direction, but not the other).

As far as "emergency airfields," this only applies for twin-engine ops. It depends on how the aircraft is ETOPS certified. A three- or four-engined plane (MD11, 747, A340) can pretty much fly these routes with no restrictions.
 
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RE: Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Sat Jan 22, 2005 5:28 am

Also, dont safety rules prevent airlines taking routes so far away from emergency airfields?

ETOPS certifications allows them to fly pretty far from fields, at least for twin engines. I'm guessing four-engined planes can fly wherever. As far as if they really fly these routes, the only one I know of is EWR-HKG, and I'm pretty sure they fly over the poles on some occasions, not sure how often exactly they do, or other routes they may take.

Harry
 
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RE: Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Sat Jan 22, 2005 5:33 am

What happen, at the end, with the LROPS issue???
 
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RE: Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Sat Jan 22, 2005 5:34 am



Oh, sorry. Wrong Poles?  Big grin
 
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RE: Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Sat Jan 22, 2005 5:47 am

United's ORD-HKG flight heads pretty close to the North Pole when heading west. Eastbound, it generally travels just to the south of Anchorage to take advantage of the jetstream.

Also, I am not sure about the GRU-SYD, but Aerolineas Argentina used to (maybe still do) operate from EZE to AUK and SYD.
 
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RE: Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Sat Jan 22, 2005 5:50 am

SK's CPH-SEA travels over the North Pole, too.

ORBITJFK
 
Velasco
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RE: Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Sat Jan 22, 2005 6:01 am

Guys, you're giving me a loooooot of ideas for my next vacations! I had no idea SK flew CPH-SEA, it sounds like a winning combination! The closer I flew to the pole was back in 94 when I went to Svalbard (Longyearbyen) in a flight I guess departed form Narvik, Norway (not sure it was Narvik). It must be great taking one of these flights by daylight and watching the penguins down below  Big grin
 
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RE: Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Sat Jan 22, 2005 6:58 am

I've been told that someone used to operate GRU-SYD

...the only aircraft that could legally fly that route nonstop, with any decent payload, is the A345; and since no one's used an A345 out of S.America yet--- you've been told wrong  Big grin
 
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RE: Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Sat Jan 22, 2005 7:06 am

Just an FYI...with more and more images being generated by that site to this thread, it's really going to eat up Karl's bandwidth quick. If you've got some sort of photobucket account or any webspace of your own to host the images that you generate from that site, I'm sure he'd appreciate it if you copied the generated image, saved it as some jpg or whatever, and move the static image to another source. Otherwise, it's just gonna make his server run slower and be more expensive for him to provide what is ultimately the coolest still-free aviation map generating program on the web.

-Mike
 
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RE: Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Sat Jan 22, 2005 7:09 am

I agree with you Velasco - enjoyable flights in daylight. However, no penguins in the Arctic.
 
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RE: Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Sat Jan 22, 2005 8:12 am

QF used to fly to EZE via AKL.

And years before that they flew to EZE via Punta Arenas.
 
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RE: Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Sat Jan 22, 2005 1:23 pm

Before the Russian airspace was opened for foreign carriers, many flights from Europe to East Asia were routed via Anchorage.
So if you check routings for CPH-ANC, FRA-ANC you see that they were directly routed over the pole.
 
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RE: Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Sat Jan 22, 2005 10:24 pm

FRA-ANC is still operated by DE (Condor Flugdienst, or Thomas Cook, or whatever they're called nowadays), as are FRA-FAI and FRA-YXY. All flight come pretty close to the north pole (at least, the direct point-to-point path is close to the north pole)
 
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RE: Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Sat Jan 22, 2005 10:28 pm

CX's HKG-JFK-HKG fly very close to the pole too. Althought not directly over it.
 
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RE: Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Sun Jan 23, 2005 12:25 am

ContinentalFan

Great link...Thanx so much

rgds, olly
 
Velasco
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RE: Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Sun Jan 23, 2005 12:51 am

Any of you actually been aboard these flights in broad daylight? Care to tell us about the giant penguins?  Smile
 
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RE: Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Sun Jan 23, 2005 5:33 am

I thought that LAN and AR fly from Santiago and EZE to AUK and SYD. Do they?, and what route do follow if they do fly to these destinations?.
 
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RE: Australia - S America

Sun Jan 23, 2005 6:57 am

"And years before that [QF] flew to EZE via Punta Arenas."

QF flew SYD to Punta Arenas nonstop ? When? Or do you mean via AKL?
 
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RE: Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Sun Jan 23, 2005 7:17 am

I think I found one that flies over the north pole and one that flies over the south pole...unfortunately, I don't know how to put he pictures on here. Here's the link (thank you Continental Fan!!):

http://gc.kls2.com/

Type in JFK-ULN (Ulaan Bataar, Mongolia). It goes directly over the North Pole.

Type in GRU-PEY (Penong, South Australia). It goes directly over the South Pole.

Cheers!!

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RE: Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Sun Jan 23, 2005 7:21 am

Punta Arenas, Chile to Sydney, Australia?

Actually, LAN is the only airline that have done this, in a promotional flight of their 707 yeeeeears ago, but It was never regular service. This was trhe first non stop fhlight between Australia and South America.

When QF flew to Buenos Aires, it did not stopped in Chile, although I'm not sure if it was a non stop or not.

Current links South America-Oceania are:
LA SCL-AKL-SYD
AR EZE-AKL-SYD (sometimes it made a technical stop in Southern Argentina-Rio Gallegos-RGL)

Despite AR promotes the flight as "Transpolar", none of them both even overfly Antartica; an hipothetic SCL-PER would do it...

Regards )( Arcano
 
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RE: Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Sun Jan 23, 2005 7:27 am

IB did in the past MAD-ANC-NRT, mainly on 747M

>""QF flew SYD to Punta Arenas nonstop ? When? Or do you mean via AKL?""<
AR flew time ago Buenos Aires-Punta Arenas-Auckland-Sydney on B747-200. Later, QF flew SYD-AKL-EZE on B747-400
AR was the first one to fly the South Pacific route.


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RE: Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Sun Jan 23, 2005 7:30 am

Sorry... It isn't Punta Arenas, but Rio Gallegos, on Southern Argentina (That leg was EZE-Rio Gallegos-AKL-SYD)
 
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RE: Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Sun Jan 23, 2005 7:33 am

Ola, Velasco!

I've been told that someone used to operate GRU-SYD, but no airline flies this route anymore

As mentioned above by Anxeable, the "transpolar" route now is operated by AR EZE-AKL-SID with the A340.

I flew this route departing from GRU in 1995 and 1996. At the time AR operated with the B747 and the service had a technical stop-over in the extreme South of Argentina, in Rio Gallegos. This stop-over was the most interesting part of the flight...

Rgs,
 
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RE: Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Sun Jan 23, 2005 7:44 am

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Velasco
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RE: Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Sun Jan 23, 2005 10:59 am

Thank you all for the tremendous input on this thread!!  Big thumbs up
I have just found new ways to spend my vacation supplement! Both flights from Kopenhagen-Seattle and Buenos Aires-Sidney seem great: the flight between EZE-SYD may have the edge as both cities must be fascinating. The pictures JetBlueAtJFK has posted are simply FANTASTIC, you can sense real beauty and tranquility there and almost spot the odd giant penguin. This flight must cost a fortune I guess, even in Argentina... As a last thought, what about Perth-Joburg?

[Edited 2005-01-23 03:02:17]
 
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RE: Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Sun Jan 23, 2005 11:49 am

LanChile claims to be the first airline flying over the south pole between Punta Arenas and Sydney. AR does the same, so I'll try to do some research about this.


BTW, QF used to fly to Punta Arenas (although I don't know from where) carrying sheeps. At least my father told me that they used to do this in the late 70's, while he worked in Punta Arenas.
 
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RE: Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Sun Jan 23, 2005 11:53 am

UA might be flying ORD-BOM. That would take them over a Pole.

 
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RE: Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Sun Jan 23, 2005 11:58 am

UA makes a stop in FRA on the way to BOM, with the second leg being flown by LH. I don't think anyone flies non-stop USA-India.

Harry
 
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RE: Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Sun Jan 23, 2005 2:14 pm

Arcano:

Anxebla is right.

Besides, I can't think of an aircraft LA operated prior to the 767 that could even cover PUQ-AKL non-stop--the distance is about 5,100 miles, outside the range of even the longer-ranged 707s. Which is why AR's (quite widely recognised) claim that they were the first to fly over the Pole circa 1980 in a 747 sounds a little more credible, no offence. I know both countries love to claim everything, but just as Argentina is sometimes mistaken so too is Chile...  Big grin

With regards to the actual route, the 747's "technical stop" in RGL was regular, not occasional, as the aircraft needed to top-up on fuel, although given that the 10,335km between EZE and AKL was well within the 747's 12,000km range, I guess AR didn't feel like paying for fuel bills in New Zealand! These days, the A340s shun the ice-cap altogether for the main reason that otherwise the fuel in the tanks drops to as low as -65C, at which point ice crystals start forming.

Saludos!

ZXV

 
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RE: Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Sun Jan 23, 2005 5:03 pm

LVZXV...I know that between Chile and Argentina there are always claims about everything...
And I'm seriously not taking anybody's side (well, a little biased towards LanChile  Smile )

At LAN's website, they claim to be the first flying transpolar (south pole obviously) back in 1974.

Check 1974 at http://www7.lan.com/compania/lanchile/historia/historia_1970_1989.html

According to the Great Circle Mapper, the distance between Punta Arenas (PUQ) and Auckland (AKL) is 4429 nm and according to Airliners.net aircraft data the 707 range can vary from 4580nm to 5000nm. So, according to THIS info, I would assume that LanChile could have been the first flying from South America to Oceania, not over the south pole from Punta Arenas to Sydney.

About AR I got this: http://www.redargentina.com/BaseMarambio/datos.htm

"Tras la posibilidad de la ruta transpolar, la empresa Aerolíneas Argentinas inauguró el servicio comercial a Oriente el día 7 de junio de 1980, transportando 342 personas en un avión B-747.
El vuelo, que se inició en Ezeiza con escalas en Río Gallegos y Auckland (Nueva Zelandia), finalizó en Hong Kong tras un recorrido de 19.844 kilómetros realizados en 24 horas y 10 minutos de vuelo contra 32 horas que demandaban las rutas tradicionales.

El vuelo inaugural de regreso se inició en Shangai, finalizando en Ezeiza, con una escala en Auckland."


There you can read that AR flew EZE-RGL-AKL in 1980. You can search for "aerolineas argentinas""transpolar" in google, and you will see a lot of "discursos y peroratas" about this "transpolar" flight...even at AR's website.

Again, according to the great circle mapper, neither the EZE-AKL nor RGL-AKL routes fly over the south pole. So,with the little info I've gathered I should conclude that non of AR and LA have flown over the south pole regularly, and that the first airline to fly the south pacific route was LanChile.

If anybody has more info clarifying this, it will be appreciated.

 
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RE: Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Mon Jan 24, 2005 4:17 am

Lan Fanatic:

Thanks for extinguishing any nationalistic fires with your well-researched and impartial reply.

OK, LA were the first to fly the route in 1974, and AR the first to inaugurate (and sustain) it commercially in 1980. Neither AR nor LA currently overfly the South Pole, but they do occasionally clip the edge of the White Continent (AR more than LA due to EZE's more easterly longitude and more parabollic tradjectory). Fuel tank temperatures are the primary reason, like I said.

It was actually a simple if somewhat stupid reason that I doubted LA's 707 flight; confusion over nautical and statuate miles! When I typed in PUQ-AKL onto the Great Circle Mapper, it said 5,097mi (4,429nm), which as you say is in fact well within the 707's 5,000nm range.  Smile

I am impressed though that AR flew EZE-RGL-AKL-HKG so long ago; AR must have been the first Latin carrier to land at the infamous Kai Tak!

Saludos,

ZXV

 
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RE: Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Mon Jan 24, 2005 4:31 am

Not too realistic of a flight but PEK-YHZ seems to go over the north pole...

 
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RE: Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Mon Jan 24, 2005 4:46 am

LHR-MDY:

LHR-MDY%0D%0A&RANGE=&PATH-COLOR=red&PATH-UNITS=mi&SPEED-GROUND=&SPEED-UNITS=kts&RANGE-STYLE=best&RANGE-COLOR=navy&MAP-STYLE=&MAP-CENTER=LHR">

Not quite sure how to load an image, hope this works. Any help would be much appreciated.

Cheers,
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RE: Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Mon Jan 24, 2005 4:55 am

VS045 check out the following link ... read the part near the bottom entitled "How to include non-Airliners.net photos in your post" and see if that helps

https://www.airliners.net/discussions/help.main?open=new

To obtain the URL of the image... right click on the route image displayed on Great Circle Mapper's website and click on properties.. The URL is listed in the center of the window.

http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gcmap?PATH=lhr-mdy&PATH-UNITS=mi turns into..

 
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RE: Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Mon Jan 24, 2005 4:56 am

if AR and LA dont overfly the pole due to temperature in the fuel tanks, how do you explain the charters QF and air NZ used to do specifically overflying antarctica?

one of air NZ's charters i think crashed into an antarctic mountain range during one of these flights. could it have been due to fuel freezing?

hmmmm....
 
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RE: Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Mon Jan 24, 2005 5:05 am

The NZ flight was a inflight collision with terrain... Mt. Erebus in a DC-10-30, dispacther gave the crew improper flight plan from what I remember.
 
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RE: Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Mon Jan 24, 2005 6:03 am

if AR and LA dont overfly the pole due to temperature in the fuel tanks, how do you explain the charters QF and air NZ used to do specifically overflying antarctica?

The charters you mention are typically flown at around 18-20,000ft. What I am saying is that on a scheduled flight flying at around FL350, there is probably a considerable risk of the fuel starting to freeze, on the Airbus A340 at least (maybe not the Boeing 747). One way or another, crossing the Pole itself seems to inconvenience both airlines (AR and LA), so there must be good reasons...

If I could remember the exact source where I read the information, I would cite it, but I'm afraid all I recall was that it was a reliable one.

Regards,

ZXV

 
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RE: Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Mon Jan 24, 2005 6:16 am

The Singapore Airlines direct services from SIN-EWR with the A345 do not fly over the Arctic.

The route does not look atall straight forward, on their website the flight shows it follows the coast of China, Korea and Japan up to Russia and crosses the Pacific coming in over Alaska and then across Canada into New York.

The route going back is very different and again does not look the most direct map.

They have an interactive website giving details of the service on board and the routes both ways. Beware it is a macromedia file and takes a while to download before it can be views.

http://www.nonstop2newyork.com
http://www.nonstop2singapore.com
 
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RE: AR To RGL

Mon Jan 24, 2005 8:25 am

"the [AR] 747's "technical stop" in RGL was regular, not occasional, as the aircraft needed to top-up on fuel"

But only on the westbound flight?
 
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RE: Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Mon Jan 24, 2005 3:29 pm

UA does ORD-PEK (might be Shanghai, pls correct me) on a T7 over the pole.

There was an hour long show on this on discovery quiet sometime back.
 
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RE: Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Tue Jan 25, 2005 6:10 am

in future the DXB-YVR route with EK will be go very very soon over the north-pole.

regards
Avianca
 
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RE: Which Routes Fly Over The Poles?

Tue Jan 25, 2005 6:30 am

As far as I know, the CPH-SEA flights go nowhere near the north pole. It goes across Greenland, but that's about it.

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