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A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Sat Jul 29, 2006 2:17 pm

Hi All,

Do you think 11 abreast in economy class (3-5-3) is possible in the A380 main deck, and 9 abreast (3-3-3) on the upper deck?

Here's my take on this issue... I think it can be done. As you evaluate this, please refer to the cabin cross section drawings in the A380 airport compatibility brochure, which show width available is 248 inches on the main deck and 208 inches on the upper deck.

Assumptions:

1) 18.5 inch isle width
2) 17.2 inch seat bottom width
3) 1.5 inch armrest width
4) 0.5 inch clearance accounted for at cabin wall. On the main deck, the cabin wall slopes outwards at armrest level, producing an extra inch or two between the armrest and the wall. On the upper deck, there is a one foot wide shelf just below elbow level at the cabin wall... I will assume the seat bottom butts right up to this, and that the armrest can somehow be fastened to the shelf... or that the shelf can itself function as a very wide armrest. Hence, no need for an outboard armrest.

Lower deck 3-5-3 configuration comes to 248.2 inches. We're almost there, to within the width of a pencil. Not a problem.

Upper deck 3-3-3 configuration comes to 207.8 inches. Not a problem.

Zvezda used to preach the 11 abreast thing, but seems to have had a sudden change of heart around last April. Zvezda, I'm curious about why you now think this is impossible.

Anyone care to confirm or refute my back of the envelope numbers?

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RE: A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Sat Jul 29, 2006 2:20 pm

If it can be done you'll see it show up in EK's A380 fleet.
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RE: A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Sat Jul 29, 2006 2:27 pm

3-5-3 is absolutely no problem at all on the A380 main deck.

3-3-3 on the upper deck is a little tight....

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RE: A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Sat Jul 29, 2006 2:45 pm

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 2):
3-3-3 on the upper deck is a little tight....

Are you sure? See assumption 4)
 
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RE: A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Sat Jul 29, 2006 3:10 pm

Airbus is using:

18" Y seats and 2" armrests, doubled up on banks of 4 seats. 1.5" armrests are pretty small.

But it's theoretically possible.

It's also possible to wedge 2-3-2 J seats on the upper deck at 19" wide and 20" aisles.

You can also do 2-4-2 J seats on the main deck at 19.5" wide with 22" aisles.
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RE: A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Sat Jul 29, 2006 3:16 pm

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 2):
3-5-3 is absolutely no problem at all on the A380 main deck.

Wonderful, instead of "new levels of comfort," the Y pax can look forward to a more tightly packed sardine can.  Smile
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RE: A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Sat Jul 29, 2006 3:41 pm

A380 is only 7" wider at seat level than the 747, and the 747 uses a narrow seat already. So, how would an A380 fit 3-5-3 with so little extra room?
 
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RE: A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Sat Jul 29, 2006 3:48 pm

Quoting WingedMigrator (Thread starter):

Maybe not an answer to your question, WM, but I'll predict for you that the next iteration of the A380 (A389, say) will find whatever extra inches are necessary to accommodate what you've just said, by altering the linings.

(Mind you, to do that they'll probably have to re-design all the wiring  biggrin  )

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RE: A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Sat Jul 29, 2006 3:58 pm

Rapid decompression can be an issue with the seats that close to "cabin walls", since seats would obstruct decompression vents. Also floor loading might be too high again for decompression. But this is my humble opinion.
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RE: A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Sat Jul 29, 2006 4:22 pm

What are you folks smoking? 3-5-3 - that is outrageously comfortable.

I want to see a 3-5-4 configuration on the main deck with 15" wide seats and 16" wide aisles. On the upper deck: the ultracomfy 3-4-3 configuaration.  Wink If EK or LH can squeeze another seat into economy: THEY WILL!!!
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RE: A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Sun Jul 30, 2006 12:12 am

Quoting Moparman (Reply 9):

Are you serious?
A 15'' seat width is absolutely unaceptable... The ones with less width are 17'', the most 16,5'' seats...

Airlines should think more about passanger comfort... I wanted to see a 3-4-3 at the main deck and a 2-4-2 on the upper deck... This would result in at least a 18,5'', 19'' seat width..
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RE: A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Sun Jul 30, 2006 2:11 am

Quoting Thering (Reply 10):
Quoting Moparman (Reply 9):

Are you serious?

I think he was being sarcastic
 
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RE: A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Sun Jul 30, 2006 2:50 am

The A380 is certified for 840 passenger but what is the configuration with all these passengers
 
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RE: A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Sun Jul 30, 2006 3:08 am

Quoting Lhrmaccoll (Reply 11):
I think he was being sarcastic

Hope so...

Quoting Pavlin (Reply 12):
The A380 is certified for 840 passenger but what is the configuration with all these passengers

Must be a all economy an with very very very little pich.. 30'' maybe..
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RE: A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Sun Jul 30, 2006 3:24 am

Quoting WingedMigrator (Thread starter):
1) 18.5 inch isle width
2) 17.2 inch seat bottom width
3) 1.5 inch armrest width
4) 0.5 inch clearance accounted for at cabin width

Cutting down on arm rests is cheating. Boeing specifies 2" arm rests for the 10 abreast 777, which with 17" seat bottoms means passengers have 19" of shoulder to shoulder space. With your specifications, passengers only have 18.7" of shoulder space. Making things same as the 777 10Y config with 17" aisles, 2" arm rests and 17" seat bottoms (clearance should be accounted for outside the 248" I think) would require 249". Unless there is extra side clearance, airlines will have to cut down either armrest or seat bottom width by 0.1" approximately to make this feasbile, reducing shoulder space to 18.9".

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 2):
3-5-3 is absolutely no problem at all on the A380 main deck.

I expect a lower proportion of airlines will configure the main deck as 3-5-3 on the A380 than 3-4-3 on the 777.

Quoting Thering (Reply 10):
Are you serious?
A 15'' seat width is absolutely unaceptable... The ones with less width are 17'', the most 16,5'' seats...

Airlines should think more about passanger comfort... I wanted to see a 3-4-3 at the main deck and a 2-4-2 on the upper deck... This would result in at least a 18,5'', 19'' seat width..

With 3-4-3, the A380 main deck only has 18" seats with 2" arm rests. The only way they can increase it is by cutting down aisle width.
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RE: A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Sun Jul 30, 2006 4:13 am

I also think it will happen, definitely on the main deck. The B787 and A350 will also have 9 abreast and both are narrower than the B777, loss of comfort here too. On the upper deck there could be some economy plus (or all of the business and first section)

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RE: A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Sun Jul 30, 2006 4:46 am

Let say you put 3-5-3 lowerdeck and 3-3-3 upper deck..

how many sardi.. errr humans will fit into the A380?

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RE: A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Sun Jul 30, 2006 4:56 am

Here's a question for everyone who's sure that the A380 will have 11-abreast on the main deck, and who's got the mathematics sorted out to prove why this will happen:

Why haven't any airline done this on the 747?

I mean, there are several examples of airlines that put 10-abreast seating on the 777 or MD11 or DC10, and several examples of airlines with 9-abreast on A330/A340s, and at least one example of an airline with 8-abreast on the 767. Putting 11-abreast on a 747 makes more "mathematical" sense than putting 8-abreast on a 767.

If no airline has put 11-abreast on the 747, then why do we expect them to do it on the A380?
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RE: A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Sun Jul 30, 2006 4:59 am

Quoting Moparman (Reply 9):
What are you folks smoking? 3-5-3 - that is outrageously comfortable.

Yep -- and to one-up Boeing's "Sky Loft", Airbus could convert some of those overhead carry-on lockers into "mini SkyLofts" -- just curl up into a fetal position and have a comfortable nap.
 
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RE: A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Sun Jul 30, 2006 5:27 am

Before we pack a small town into an A380, let's not forget that the jury is still out on whether the aircraft will even get full bookings for its currently advertised load factor of the mid-500 passenger count. Certainly would be nice to sleep in one of those five across configurations on a flight when the 800+ don't turn up.
 
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RE: A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Sun Jul 30, 2006 5:28 am

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 2):
3-3-3 on the upper deck is a little tight....

Upon second thought, I think you're right... it's not so much a matter of available width as it is of headroom. The upper deck cabin wall curves in quite a bit and the passenger near the cabin wall would likely feel a bit cramped. Also, due to the tiny crown space there is very limited room in the upper deck luggage compartments.

So perhaps the most likely configuration is 2-4-2 economy plus upstairs and 3-5-3 sardine class on the main deck, as others have suggested.

Quoting RedChili (Reply 17):
If no airline has put 11-abreast on the 747, then why do we expect them to do it on the A380?

Perhaps because the A380 main deck cabin is several inches wider than the 747 cabin?
 
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RE: A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Sun Jul 30, 2006 5:32 am

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 14):
I expect a lower proportion of airlines will configure the main deck as 3-5-3 on the A380 than 3-4-3 on the 777.

I think it is amazing - I can't thing of a single airline who uses the 777 in 3-4-3 despite the fact that it most definately can be done. They've all chosen the 3-3-3 - which offers about the most spacious Y configuration you'll find in anything. I hope airlines will take the same attitude towards A380.
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RE: A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Sun Jul 30, 2006 5:54 am

Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 20):
Quoting RedChili (Reply 17):
If no airline has put 11-abreast on the 747, then why do we expect them to do it on the A380?

Perhaps because the A380 main deck cabin is several inches wider than the 747 cabin?

You didn't read my question in its context. Putting 11-abreast on a 747 would be roomier than 10-abreast on an MD11 or 9-abreast on an A330 or 8-abreast on a 767, yet no airline has (in my knowledge) ever put 11-abreast on a 747.

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 21):
I can't thing of a single airline who uses the 777 in 3-4-3 despite the fact that it most definately can be done.

I can think of at least three: Emirates, Thai, and Austrian.
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RE: A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Sun Jul 30, 2006 5:59 am

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 21):
I think it is amazing - I can't thing of a single airline who uses the 777 in 3-4-3 despite the fact that it most definately can be done. They've all chosen the 3-3-3 - which offers about the most spacious Y configuration you'll find in anything. I hope airlines will take the same attitude towards A380.

FlyDreamliner....EK does 3-4-3 in its economy class...I think another carrier does it also, however, EK has 34' in econ class....which I prefer over seat width...

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RE: A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Sun Jul 30, 2006 6:11 am

I think 3-5-3 on the main deck would result in wider seats as with 3-4-3 in the B777 and about the same(narrow) seats as in the B747 with 3-4-3.

3-3-3 on the upper deck could be a problem.

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RE: A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Sun Jul 30, 2006 6:11 am

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 21):
I can't thing of a single airline who uses the 777 in 3-4-3

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RE: A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Sun Jul 30, 2006 6:18 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 23):
FlyDreamliner....EK does 3-4-3 in its economy class...I think another carrier does it also, however, EK has 34' in econ class....which I prefer over seat width...

Kind of makes sense, from the airline's point of view. To add an extra row of 10 you'd have to move 34 rows back one inch each. That's .29 seats gained per row. But if you add one seat per row, it's only 10 rows to add 10 seats, or 1 per row, three times better than more rows. Plus you can sell the "benefit" or greater seat pitch. Of course a retrofit would mean all new seats rather than just adding a row, but at the outset it might not be that much different a cost.
 
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RE: A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Sun Jul 30, 2006 6:27 am

I would prefer less pitch over more shoulder room every time. i hate to feel unknown... shoulders when flying...

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RE: A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Sun Jul 30, 2006 6:30 am

Quoting Cschleic (Reply 26):
Kind of makes sense, from the airline's point of view. To add an extra row of 10 you'd have to move 34 rows back one inch each. That's .29 seats gained per row. But if you add one seat per row, it's only 10 rows to add 10 seats, or 1 per row, three times better than more rows. Plus you can sell the "benefit" or greater seat pitch. Of course a retrofit would mean all new seats rather than just adding a row, but at the outset it might not be that much different a cost.

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RE: A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Sun Jul 30, 2006 9:34 am

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 21):
They've all chosen the 3-3-3

Actually United does 2-5-2 in economy on all layouts on their 777s.
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RE: A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Sun Jul 30, 2006 10:05 am

Quoting RedChili (Reply 17):
Here's a question for everyone who's sure that the A380 will have 11-abreast on the main deck, and who's got the mathematics sorted out to prove why this will happen:

Why haven't any airline done this on the 747?



Quoting RedChili (Reply 22):
You didn't read my question in its context. Putting 11-abreast on a 747 would be roomier than 10-abreast on an MD11 or 9-abreast on an A330 or 8-abreast on a 767, yet no airline has (in my knowledge) ever put 11-abreast on a 747.

9 abreast on the A330 would certainly be roomier than 11 abreast on the 747. 11 abreast on the 747 would yield seats with shoulder to shoulder spacing under 18.2". With 2" arm rests that would mean about 16.2" wide seat bottoms. With the skimpy 1.5" arm rest that would be about 16.7".

Quoting Johnny (Reply 24):
I think 3-5-3 on the main deck would result in wider seats as with 3-4-3 in the B777 and about the same(narrow) seats as in the B747 with 3-4-3.

You think wrong. As I explained above, the 11Y A380 would be a smidgen worse than the 777. What else would you expect with an aircraft designed to have 18" wide seat bottoms in economy versus ~18.5" like the 777.
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RE: A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Sun Jul 30, 2006 10:43 am

@Atmx2000 "You think wrong. As I explained above, the 11Y A380 would be a smidgen worse than the 777. What else would you expect with an aircraft designed to have 18" wide seat bottoms in economy versus ~18.5" like the 777."

-18.5 are the seats with 9abreast in the 777, i was talking about 10 abreast, if you read my post again...

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RE: A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Sun Jul 30, 2006 10:44 am

Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 20):
Perhaps because the A380 main deck cabin is several inches wider than the 747 cabin?



Quoting Johnny (Reply 24):
I think 3-5-3 on the main deck would result in wider seats as with 3-4-3 in the B777 and about the same(narrow) seats as in the B747 with 3-4-3.



Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 30):
You think wrong. As I explained above, the 11Y A380 would be a smidgen worse than the 777.

Consider that in the 747's 3-4-3 seating the 3-abreast seat module is 59.5" wide while the 4-abreast seat module is 82", and these are separated by 19.5" aisles. Now consider that in the A380's 3-4-3 seating the 3-abreast seat module is 62" wide (2.5" wider than that used on the 747), while the 4-abreast module is 84" wide (only 2" wider than that of the 747) separated by 20" aisles.
 
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RE: A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Sun Jul 30, 2006 11:02 am

If i would be an Airline like SQ i would go for new, different eco-layout:

10 seats abreast like in the B747, but with three aisles:

2-3-3-2

That would be perfect - narrow seats like in the B747, but never more than one seat away from the next aisle.

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RE: A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Sun Jul 30, 2006 11:16 am

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 2):
3-5-3 is absolutely no problem at all on the A380 main deck

Wow, thats an awful lotta center seats - FIVE in each row! And an awful lotta people climbing all over each other to get to an aisle .. I shudder to think of a real emergency evacuation.

No thanks. Give me a 767 any day.

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RE: A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Sun Jul 30, 2006 12:33 pm

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 21):
think it is amazing - I can't thing of a single airline who uses the 777 in 3-4-3 despite the fact that it most definately can be done

I think EK does, as well as a Japanese carrier for domestic routes.
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RE: A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Sun Jul 30, 2006 1:24 pm

There is really no getting around 2 inch armrests. Also, the seats are already as near to the fuselage wall as possible. 16.5 inch seats theoretically could be squeezed into a WhaleJet with 11 abreast seating and 19.25 inch aisles, but it's hard to imagine that configuration passing the evacuation test.

If Boeing ever develop a new airliner larger than the B787, I would not be surprised to see it capable of seating 3-5-3 with 17 inch seats and 20 inch aisles. That would require 7 inches of cabin width beyond that of the WhaleJet.
 
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RE: A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Sun Jul 30, 2006 1:45 pm

Quoting TheLUREnyc (Reply 34):
Give me a 767 any day.

Fully agree. Including the 767's range. Why airlines think that people are interested in being sequestered to their 17" seat for the duration of an 18 hours flight?
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RE: A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Sun Jul 30, 2006 3:38 pm

Quoting Johnny (Reply 31):
-18.5 are the seats with 9abreast in the 777, i was talking about 10 abreast, if you read my post again...

I know you were talking about 10Y in the 777. Let me express my point more clearly. If economy seats in 777 9Y are much wider than economy seats in A380 10Y, why would A380 11Y seats be wider than 777 10Y seats?

While one only has to skim off 17" from seats and aisles to get an extra seat in the A380 because the double arm rest is already specified for the center 4 unit versus 19" for a seat and arm rest for the 777, the 777 has an extra 4.5" of total seat width across the seat row bottoms. The A380 has 1.5" more of total aisle width to offset that 777 advantage, so 6" can be taken from the aisles versus 4.5" for the 777. The 777 has an additional 0.5" of clearance on each side which is used for 10Y.

Amount to remove from each 777 18.5" seat = (19" - 4.5" -1")/9 = 13.5"/9 = 1.5"

Amount to remove from each A380 18" seat = (17" - 6")/10 = 11"/10 = 1.1"

If Airbus can find an additional 1" on the sides, then they only need to remove 1" from each seat and the 777 and A380 would have same seat widths and shoulder to shoulder spacing. I'm not sure if they have that space, as the cross section diagram makes it look like the seat bottom rests on the cabin wall. But I suppose they can redesign the cabin wall to get an extra 1" out near the bottom if the clearance isn't there. However, I doubt they can get the 3" needed to make the seat bottoms 17.2". They should have designed the A380 to have at least 18.3" economy seats in 10Y instead of 18".
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RE: A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:21 am

We shall bear in mind that the main limitation to increase in PAX capacity is probably MTOW/range related. Hence I doubt 11 abreast would be compatible with 8,000nm and reasonable revenue cargo.

Hence 11 abreast may only be envisioned for shorter routes (3,000nm) which last less. And where tighter seats are probably less of an issue.

That being said some airlines may want to go 11 abreast on long range and trade width for pitch. This may be a good trade for eco PAX travelling in family as tight width is less of an issue.

I would personally trade 16.5" for +5" pitch every day since I usually travel in family and remove the armrest once crusing.

I guess we may have to wait for Corsair ordering second-hand A388 to see how many PAXes can be crammed inside on long haul...
 
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RE: A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:50 am

Quoting Glacote (Reply 39):
We shall bear in mind that the main limitation to increase in PAX capacity is probably MTOW/range related. Hence I doubt 11 abreast would be compatible with 8,000nm and reasonable revenue cargo.

Hence 11 abreast may only be envisioned for shorter routes (3,000nm) which last less. And where tighter seats are probably less of an issue.

Of course high capacity is going to impact range. But then again, there are fewer people traveling between cities separated by long distances than short distances so it doesn't matter. And if fuel costs stay high, there are going to be fewer people sitting in the back of the plane.
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RE: A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:14 pm

The A380 main deck is 48cm wider than that of the 747, so where is the problem with putting 11-abreast in A380 main deck, with the same seat width as on the 747.

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RE: A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:37 pm

Quoting A342 (Reply 41):
The A380 main deck is 48cm wider than that of the 747, so where is the problem with putting 11-abreast in A380 main deck, with the same seat width as on the 747.

Using Boeing's and Airbus' diagrams, I get these figures:
Interior width at seat bottom level on the main deck: 744 607cm, A380 630cm
Now, how does that give you 48cm?

[Edited 2006-07-31 16:37:36]
 
A342
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RE: A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Tue Aug 01, 2006 12:09 am

Quoting Brendows (Reply 42):
Using Boeing's and Airbus' diagrams, I get these figures:
Interior width at seat bottom level on the main deck: 744 607cm, A380 630cm
Now, how does that give you 48cm?

I don`t have these diagrams, but the 48cm figure was stated several times in the aerospace press, and it is also touted by Airbus.
Exceptions confirm the rule.
 
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RE: A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Tue Aug 01, 2006 12:32 am

Quoting A342 (Reply 43):
I don`t have these diagrams, but the 48cm figure was stated several times in the aerospace press, and it is also touted by Airbus

The walls of the A380 main deck slope outward from the seats, thus the width at seat level is considerably less than max. cabin width. The upper deck, on the other hand, slopes inward towards the seats thus the issue there is not the width at seat level but rather the width at head/shoulder level.

Brendows got figures of 607cm and 630cm resp. for the 747 and A380 for a difference of 23cm (9"), while the diagrams I've seen put the width differential at only 20.32cm (8"). Either way there are not too many choices for 11-abreast - either you have to go with a narrower seat than on the 747, or you have to go with a narrow aisle.

This is also why there is much doubt that the A380 will, in reality, be a substantially different experience than what we are already accustomed to. The saving grace, on the main deck at least, is those outward sloping walls that may create an illusion of added space - that would be a good thing. We'll see.
 
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RE: A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Tue Aug 01, 2006 12:43 am

For me it is easy. I always check an airline's seating before I book. Therefore I never ever would fly a 777 with 10 abreast or a 330/340 with 9 (example Emirates). Hence I won't fly an 380 with 11. The airlines which squeeze so many seats in an aircraft may search other passengers but won't ever see me on one of their sardine cans. Very easy, there are enough airlines to choose.
 
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RE: A380 - 11 Plus 9 Abreast Economy Class?

Tue Aug 01, 2006 1:04 am

More likely than the roomy thing some were announcing, with showers, casino, bla-bla-bla. I'm sure some people at some airline who has >40 whales on order are working on it. After all, the average pakistani person is rather small and slim, and KHI-DXB is not that long...

 crowded 

Quoting Moparman (Reply 35):
Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 21): think it is amazing - I can't thing of a single airline who uses the 777 in 3-4-3 despite the fact that it most definately can be done
I think EK does, as well as a Japanese carrier for domestic routes.

How about AF in their brand-new 773ER they use for the French overseas islands out of ORY? Just a question... Should then they be renamed 773EC (for extended cattle)?
Yes, NH I think has 3-4-3 on domestic routes. With ~ 500 seats IIRC. (on the 773A)
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