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sam1987
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BA Domestic Routes Summer 2007

Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:04 pm

Once the sale of BA Connect to Flybe is completed, BA will have a somewhat small UK domestic network - quite poor considering they are widely considered to be the national carrier.

Am I right in saying the following BA routes will be transferred to BE?

MAN-ABZ
MAN-BHD
MAN-EDI
MAN-GLA
MAN-IOM
MAN-JER
MAN-SOU
GLA-BHX
GLA-BRS
EDI-BHX
EDI-BRS
EDI-SOU
ABZ-BHX

Have I missed any?

What about LGW-INV and LGW-IOM? Are these definately going to BE too?

Also facing the chop is LGW-NCL, a BA mainline route.

I'd be interested to have a complete list of BA domestic routes from summer 2007. I think it will look like something like this (please add and amend):

LHR-MAN
LHR-NCL
LHR-EDI
LHR-GLA
LHR-ABZ
LGW-NQY (new route)
LGW-JER
LGW-MAN
LGW-EDI
LGW-GLA
LGW-ABZ
LCY-EDI
LCY-GLA (new route)
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RE: BA Domestic Routes Summer 2007

Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:32 pm

Quoting Sam1987 (Thread starter):
Also facing the chop is LGW-NCL, a BA mainline route.

Too late, it's already been definitely axed, but I don't see why you could complain as LHR retains the service.

Quoting Sam1987 (Thread starter):
LGW-JER

That is not classed as a domestic route and has the European product on board.

At the end of the day I think they still have a right to call themselved the national carrier, they've just mainly pulled out of a market that made a loss.
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RE: BA Domestic Routes Summer 2007

Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:43 pm

Quoting A340600 (Reply 1):
don't see why you could complain as LHR retains the service

I don't think that he was complaining

Quoting A340600 (Reply 1):
I think they still have a right to call themselved the national carrier

You might have thought though that they would come up with some way in which passengers could codeshare on flybe flights for example.
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LGW
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RE: BA Domestic Routes Summer 2007

Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:52 pm

LGW-IOM will definately go, doesn't fit BA's business plan but I hear (only rumour) BA would like to either keep or do their own LGW-INV, how true or realistic this is unclear given U2 operate the route and if BE do take it over which I'm sure they will competition would be pretty fierce.

LGW-DUB can be added to your list as it is classed as a domestic flight and as you say LGW-NCL will be dropped as it is not doing well at all, LS will pick up the route from S07 and still operated from LHR by BA.

Basically all what will remain of BA's domestic network will be feeder flights into LHR and LGW to feed other services and serving to being people to/from London and the South East on main routes such as the likes of MAN, GLA and EDI with a couple of more business sectors from LCY.

JER is covered as UK & Ireland and seen (by me and many others as domestic) even thought technically it isn't, much like DUB.
 
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RE: BA Domestic Routes Summer 2007

Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:55 pm

After the BA Connect routes are sold to FlyBe, The remaining Domestic route structure looks like this:

British Airways Domestic Routes
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Kirkwall (Orkney Is) - Aberdeen Loganair
London Gatwick - Aberdeen British Airways
London Heathrow - Aberdeen British Airways
Sumburgh - Aberdeen Loganair
Benbecula - Barra Loganair
Glasgow - Barra Loganair
Glasgow - Benbecula Loganair
Glasgow - Campbeltown Loganair
Inverness - Edinburgh Loganair
Isle of Man - Edinburgh Loganair
Kirkwall (Orkney Is) - Edinburgh Loganair
London City - Edinburgh BA Connect
London Gatwick - Edinburgh British Airways
London Gatwick - Newquay British Airways
London Heathrow - Edinburgh British Airways
Stornoway- Edinburgh Loganair
Sumburgh - Edinburgh Loganair
Wick - Edinburgh Loganair
Islay - Glasgow Loganair
Isle of Man - Glasgow Loganair
Kirkwall (Orkney Is) - Glasgow Loganair
Kirkwall (Orkney Is) - Wick Loganair
London City - Glasgow BA Connect
London Gatwick - Glasgow British Airways
London Heathrow - Glasgow British Airways
Londonderry - Glasgow Loganair
Stornoway - Glasgow Loganair
Sumburgh - Glasgow Loganair
Tiree - Glasgow Loganair
Stornoway - Inverness Loganair
London Gatwick - Jersey British Airways
Sumburgh - Kirkwall (Orkney Is) Loganair
Manchester - London Heathrow British Airways
London Heathrow - Newcastle British Airways

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sam1987
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RE: BA Domestic Routes Summer 2007

Fri Feb 23, 2007 1:05 am

Quoting BMED (Reply 2):
I don't think that he was complaining

I wasn't!

Quoting BMED (Reply 2):
You might have thought though that they would come up with some way in which passengers could codeshare on flybe flights for example.

Ah, why would they want to codeshare? I could see them codesharing on short routes to and from MAN (for JFK, LHR, LGW and GT feed), but that's about it.

Quoting LGW" class=quote target=_blank>LGW (Reply 3):
I hear (only rumour) BA would like to either keep or do their own LGW-INV

That is interesting. I think it could it be profitable, especially as they're full service (unlike U2, BE and BD, who will provide the only other INV-LON services) - I expect the free hot breakfast could be a seller for some!

Quoting LGW" class=quote target=_blank>LGW (Reply 3):
JER is covered as UK & Ireland and seen (by me and many others as domestic) even thought technically it isn't, much like DUB.

Bizarre. So BA see LGW-DUB as a domestic service and LGW-JER as an international service. Is there no demand for Club Europe to DUB?

Quoting BY188B (Reply 4):
Biggest Aircraft used is the 757-200 on the GLA/EDI/MAN/NCL-LHR shuttle routes

How often are 757s used on BA domestic routes nowadays? Are they regularly scheduled?

Quoting BY188B (Reply 4):
Kirkwall (Orkney Is) - Aberdeen Loganair

Woops. I forgot about Loganair. How certain is their future as a BA franchise?

From this summer, they will provide the only BA UK regional services outside London.
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RE: BA Domestic Routes Summer 2007

Fri Feb 23, 2007 1:31 am

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 5):
How often are 757s used on BA domestic routes nowadays? Are they regularly scheduled?

Did EDI-LHR on a B757, superb flight and service.
 
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RE: BA Domestic Routes Summer 2007

Fri Feb 23, 2007 1:38 am

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 5):
Biggest Aircraft used is the 757-200 on the GLA/EDI/MAN/NCL-LHR shuttle routes

Usually 3 or 4 per day to GLA and EDI.

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RE: BA Domestic Routes Summer 2007

Fri Feb 23, 2007 1:44 am

Quoting BY188B (Reply 4):

You missed off MAN-LGW which is staying. After the takeover, BA will only serve LHR, LGW and JFK from MAN.
 
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RE: BA Domestic Routes Summer 2007

Fri Feb 23, 2007 1:55 am

Quoting MANmatt (Reply 8):
BA will only serve LHR, LGW and JFK from MAN.

Mainline BA correct, but don't forget GB Airways Flights to Spain and other Leisure Destinations.
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LGW
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RE: BA Domestic Routes Summer 2007

Fri Feb 23, 2007 2:03 am

Is it true GB are only flying to HER, PFO, MLA and TFS this summer from MAN?
 
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RE: BA Domestic Routes Summer 2007

Fri Feb 23, 2007 2:08 am

Quoting A340600 (Reply 1):
Quoting Sam1987 (Thread starter):
LGW-JER

That is not classed as a domestic route and has the European product on board.

Sorry you are wrong, JER is a Uk domestic route, however the high yielding traffic and high demand for CE is the reason for the two cabin, nothing more.
 
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RE: BA Domestic Routes Summer 2007

Fri Feb 23, 2007 2:55 am

Quoting MANmatt (Reply 8):
You missed off MAN-LGW which is staying. After the takeover, BA will only serve LHR, LGW and JFK from MAN.

And if you include the franchises Billund plus maybe the GB Airways routes

Quoting BY188B (Reply 4):
Kirkwall (Orkney Is) - Wick Loganair

That route is being dropped
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RE: BA Domestic Routes Summer 2007

Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:14 pm

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 5):
Bizarre. So BA see LGW-DUB as a domestic service and LGW-JER as an international service. Is there no demand for Club Europe to DUB?

I do not think that BA decides what is a domestic route and what is not. But while DUB is in the EU, JER is not in the EU. And that is beyond even BA's control!

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