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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 7:36 am

Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 49):
Quoting Keesje (Reply 47):

Look better, halfway the second article, next to the picture

Read your article multiple times and still haven't seen 10-15 A380's being mentioned

"Walsh, who has said he could see BA buying 10 to 15 Airbus 380 superjumbo aircraft, told the newspaper a decision on its long-haul fleet would be made in a few months' time."

5th paragraph: Reuters article
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 8:15 am

When do QF expect to put the 380 into service? And will the first routes served by a QF 380 include Europe?

Under the JSA (Joint Service Agreement) BA and QF continue 'to share all costs and revenues on the JSA routes'. These routes include 'all of British Airways' and Qantas' flights that serve markets between the United Kingdom/Continental Europe and Southeast Asia/Australia'. [Source: 'British Airways Annual Report and Accounts 2006 2007' page 9.]

It would therefore not surprise me if BA's final decision to order or not to order the 380 was made only after QF had been operating the 380 for a sufficient period of time for an accurate assessment of performance against specification to be made. This would preclude the announcement of a BA 380 order being announced in September.

The JSA also effectively means that QF 380s will operate BA code share flights.
 
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 8:21 am

So let's here from those people who said -- with absolute certainty two or so years ago -- that BA would NEVER order A380s?
 
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 8:55 am

Quoting VV701 (Reply 51):
When do QF expect to put the 380 into service?

First A380 delivery to QF is expected in August 2008.

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 52):
So let's here from those people who said -- with absolute certainty two or so years ago -- that BA would NEVER order A380s?

BA hasn't ordered any A380s.
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 9:25 am

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 52):
So let's here from those people who said -- with absolute certainty two or so years ago -- that BA would NEVER order A380s?

Many said, and I still believe it's true, BA does not NEED the A380. In other words, the A380 is not a plane that BA MUST fly to remain competitive. That was the argument. Now, if they decide there is room for a small fleet of them for specific routes, fine, but even then I wouldn't believe they would fail as an airline if they never bought the A380.

And I still have my doubts that BA will order the A380 this time around. I can see them taking a wait and see on the in service value of the jet, and take 748i in the interim, since both are available about the same time, and BA only needs to replace their earliest 744s at this point. 748i means they have very little extra training to do to incorporate them...
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 9:46 am

Funny how everyone has discounted the 773ER here. If BA go for 3 types, it could well be 787/773ER/748I.
There is no doubt in my mind that Boeing is in the box seat for most/all the BA LH order.
I'm yet to be convinced by a long way that BA needs/wants the A380. T5 at LHR will give them far more opportunities to fly more frequencies to more destinations. They aren't slot restricted at LHR like other 380 operators are(QF, SQ for instance). Only some of the 744s will be replaced this time around, so there is no real rush to go with the 380 at this stage. With the order expected in September, didn't Gallois say last week that any new 380 order from a new airline is highly unlikely before revenue service starts with SQ in Q4 this year. That tells me a lot.
I am of the opinion, that if Airbus can't snag BA as an A380 customer, then the program is totally doomed. It probably is already.
 
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 10:05 am

Quoting 2wingtips (Reply 55):
It probably is already.

Funny SRB shares your sentiment about the A380.
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 11:35 am

Quoting Keesje (Reply 47):
Look better, halfway the second article, next to the picture

What "second" article? Could you give us the direct quote please because I still cannot see it.
 
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 12:09 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 39):
Of course you don't. BA will leave a fleet gap from the 772/A350-900/787-10 and the A380 of 250 seats...

Not necessarily. They might do what AF and SQ look like doing and put the 777-300ER into that 'gap'. Why do you find that such an laughable suggestion?

Quoting Irishpower (Reply 45):
What about A380 + 777-300ER + 787?

That has always been my guess.

This is another typical A.Net thread. Those who want to believe that BA will fly the A380 come up with lots of arguments why it will happen and those who don't want BA (or, I suspect, anyone else) to fly the A380 pour cold water on them. And, yes, I'm one of the former!  Smile
 
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 12:59 pm

IMHO, I feel it would be more cost effective to stick with the 747. The 748 will have flight deck commonality with the 744 or the 787, one of the two. (pretty sure it was the 744) I feel it would be easier to train pilots for one type, and more cost effective in maintenance.

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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 1:50 pm

Quoting KhelmDTW (Reply 59):
IMHO, I feel it would be more cost effective to stick with the 747.

In the short term that might be the case (as far as crew training is concerned). Not sure about maintenance. Wouldn't BA want to train some of their engineers on the A380? Does BA maintenance currently do maintenance on any of the current A380 customer's fleet at Heathrow (perhaps QF?)? I guess they wouldn't want to lose those contracts, due to lack of A380 qualified engineers, once these airlines switch from the 744 to the A380...

Back to crew tarining. BA has set an example in the past that crew training only plays second, third or fourth fiddle. The aircraft that are going to be purchased will probably stay from 15 to 25 years in their fleet, it would be a mistake to think shortterm. Staying with the 737 would have saved them converting their pilots and cabin crew to the A32S, not to mention the purchase of containers and equipment to load those containers onto the aircraft. They went with the A32S...

If the A380 fits the mission, they'll purchase them even if that means more expensive training and buying equipment that can only be used on the A380 fleet.
 
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 4:25 pm

And let's be honest; what orders has the 380 got in the last 18 months that didn't involve compensation deals to existing customers or highly suspect enterprises such as Kingfisher, whose main aim seems to be a collector of 5 of every Airbus WB type. Maybe they want to be in the Guinness book of records!
 
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 5:03 pm

Quoting 2wingtips (Reply 61):
what orders has the 380 got in the last 18 months that didn't involve compensation deals to existing customers or highly suspect enterprises such as Kingfisher

So how sweet a BA order will be since neither accusation could be levelled against such a deal.  Wink
 
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 7:21 pm

Quoting 2wingtips (Reply 61):
And let's be honest; what orders has the 380 got in the last 18 months that didn't involve compensation deals to existing customers or highly suspect enterprises such as Kingfisher, whose main aim seems to be a collector of 5 of every Airbus WB type. Maybe they want to be in the Guinness book of records!

I find it amuzing how some here carefully select time frames & conditions to come up with "revealing" oneliners.

Lets just conclude Airbus got morer then 20 orders since launch, mostly from flagcarriers, totalling about 160 aircraft and 40 option, probably a few more next week & skip the number magic.
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 8:31 pm

First, you write this:

Quoting Keesje (Reply 63):
I find it amuzing how some here carefully select time frames & conditions to come up with "revealing" oneliners.

and then continues on to do almost the same thing here:

Quoting Keesje (Reply 63):
Lets just conclude Airbus got morer then 20 orders since launch, mostly from flagcarriers, totalling about 160 aircraft and 40 option,

 Confused The way you post it is just as misleading as statistics are in many cases.
The A380 has been available for sale since 2000, the 748i since the end of 2005. The first has achieved about ~160 orders in a little more than seven years, the latter has gained 24 (for the pax version) in a little over 1 1/2 year. Neither of the two have sold in great numbers since launch.

Quoting 2wingtips (Reply 61):
what orders has the 380 got in the last 18 months that didn't involve compensation deals to existing customers

You should add conversion of options, QF received the compensation in cash didn't they?
 
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 8:37 pm

Quoting Blsbls99 (Reply 53):
BA hasn't ordered any A380s.



Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):
Mr Walsh, speaking to Il Sole 24 Ore, also raised the possibility of BA buying 10 to 15 Airbus 380 superjumbo aircraft.

So are the people who said BA would never buy A380s still saying this?
 
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 9:22 pm

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 65):

So are the people who said BA would never buy A380s still saying this?

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Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 54):
Many said, and I still believe it's true, BA does not NEED the A380.

So I guess even if BA orders them, they don´t really need them.

 Yeah sure
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 9:28 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 58):
Not necessarily. They might do what AF and SQ look like doing and put the 777-300ER into that 'gap'. Why do you find that such an laughable suggestion?

True, but in BA trim, the 77W would have about 310-320 seats, while the A380 would have about 500-510, so that still leaves a gap of about 190 seats. The newer 744s will hang on for a while, but then what? A350-1000s are smaller than 77Ws, so will they wait until 2020 for Y3? Their newest 744s would be well over 20 years old by then...

Quoting Keesje (Reply 63):
I find it amuzing how some here carefully select time frames & conditions to come up with "revealing" oneliners.

ROFL. The irony.
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 9:33 pm

Uh, Keesje, the June 8th Reuters article you directed people to regarding Walsh confirming an interest in 10-15 A380s only states that he has said this in the past...

"Walsh, who has said he could see BA buying 10 to 15 Airbus 380 superjumbo aircraft, told the newspaper a decision on its long-haul fleet would be made in a few months' time."

To me, this observes a past statement by Walsh, rather than a reaffirmation. A grammatical nuance, perhaps?
 
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 9:49 pm

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 65):
So are the people who said BA would never buy A380s still saying this?

I'll believe it when I see one flying with BA colors  Smile

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 54):
Many said, and I still believe it's true, BA does not NEED the A380.

Likewise. But I've also said that if the A380 delivers on all its promisses it will be a formidable machine and it will be very hard to ignore by BA.
What I find interesting is that after so many years of publicly stating that they were not interested in the A380, now that there is a viable alternative (B748), they've changed their mind. To me this is just a plan to get a better price from Boeing for the 748.
 
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 10:10 pm

Quoting Brendows (Reply 64):
You should add conversion of options, QF received the compensation in cash didn't they?

And they got a very sweet deal on the extra 8 A380s and some more 330s to boot. I think the cash compensation was only part compensation in QF's case.
 
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 10:16 pm

Quoting Keesje (Reply 63):
Lets just conclude Airbus got morer then 20 orders since launch, mostly from flagcarriers, totalling about 160 aircraft and 40 option, probably a few more next week & skip the number magic.

Yeah, in 7 years. Times have changed buddy. With 420+ orders needed for the program to be profitable, I'll stick with my thesis that it's doomed, has cost far more than Airbus has let on and won't be anywhere near as economical as a lot of people think.
Ohhh I forgot, of course Airbus are confident they will sell 380s to the Japanese. Yeah, right.
 
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sat Jun 09, 2007 11:21 pm

Quoting Keesje (Reply 66):


Quoting Ikramerica,reply=54:
Many said, and I still believe it's true, BA does not NEED the A380.

So I guess even if BA orders them, they don´t really need them. {yeah sure}

Buying the A388 does not mean BA needs them.

It just means BA wants them.

And I'd personally view an A388 purchased due to desire and not duress to be a more positive statement of support for the program.  Smile
 
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:45 pm

Quoting BigJKU (Reply 31):
There is fundamentally no reason why the 787 cannot be streched with new wings and engines to have the same performance as the A350 models. I would expect this to happen before the A350-1000 enters service.

Although this is true, Boeing have been relatively sketchy about their plans for this, whereas Airbus have made it clear the -1000 will happen. If BA are looking purely at the information that is available now, the A350 is more suited to their needs when concerned with replacing their 772 fleet. Much as I would love to see the 787 in a mass order for BA, I am a little bit unsure of whether we will see any 787s in the BA livery.


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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sun Jun 10, 2007 7:47 pm

I would imagine BA might go for 787's and possibly a few 777-300's. They have to be careful with the A380 as at the moment not all of their 744 routes are full all of the time.

Where the A380 would be good when these routes are busy it would not be so good when the routes are empty so BA have to balance this carefully. Is it worth having 10 A380's in the fleet for when some routes are full or is it better to have some 748's that add a smaller increase over the 744's and they are more full most of the time and then there is also the flexiblity of using them on all the current 744 routes as well.
 
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sun Jun 10, 2007 9:19 pm

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 69):
To me this is just a plan to get a better price from Boeing for the 748.

I am astonished that we had to wait until reply 69 to read something like this. In similar threads this point, although ridiculous at first glance, appeared much earlier.

Now someone from the US or Australia should rapidly come up with the idea that only political pressure or other undue influence (the men in grey? the Ku-Klux-Clan?) will BA force to order the A380.
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sun Jun 10, 2007 11:45 pm

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 69):
What I find interesting is that after so many years of publicly stating that they were not interested in the A380, now that there is a viable alternative (B748), they've changed their mind. To me this is just a plan to get a better price from Boeing for the 748.

If BA is looking at anything like 20-30 units, then they're looking at $100 million off list, minimum, plus probably a whole slew of ancillaries at nice discounts. And a 748I is roughly $30 million less per frame at list then an A388 already. So I'd expect Boeing is offering them somewhere around $150-170 million a frame depending on the amount BA are interested in.
 
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sun Jun 10, 2007 11:48 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 39):
Quoting Keesje (Reply 6):
IMO they don't need the 747-8i.

ROFL. Of course you don't. BA will leave a fleet gap from the 772/A350-900/787-10 and the A380 of 250 seats...

Please dont tell me you think BA will be using those catalogue seat counts on there aircraft. This 250 seat gap is completely irrelevant, because it just wont happen. Many of the airlines 747-400s only have 291 seats, far shorter than Boeings advertised 416 seat count.
 
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Sun Jun 10, 2007 11:58 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 77):
Please dont tell me you think BA will be using those catalogue seat counts on there aircraft. This 250 seat gap is completely irrelevant, because it just wont happen.

True, but using BA's current 767, 777 and 747 seat-counts, there is almost double the "gap" between the A350-1000/777-300ER and A380-800 as there is now between the 777-200ER and 747-400.

That is why I can accept the argument that BA could fly the 787-8, the 787-9/787-10(ER), the 747-8I and the A380-800. The seat gaps between each model in four classes would be similar to what BA has now between the 767, the 777 and the 747.

That being said, I can also accept BA buying the A350-800, A350-1000 and A380-800, but the seat gaps between each in four classes will be wider then if they use the 787, 747 and A380. I do not believe BA would use the A350-900 as the "seat gap" between it and the A350-1000 would be too small in four classes, though BA could take it as a separate three-class (CW, WT+, WT) configuration as they currently fly the 767s in since the refit.

What favors the A350 right now is RR power across the entire line, which BA can't get on the 747-8I. On the flip side, BA could choose GE power for the 787s and A388s (via EA) and just break from RR completely. Or BA could continue to do what they do now and fly a mix of GE (748) and RR (787/A388) powered planes.
 
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:10 am

Here is my question. Why would BA need a A380 if they only wanna seat 400-425? LH is putting 400 pax in their 748i's. So i dont understand.
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Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:26 am

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 79):
Here is my question. Why would BA need a A380 if they only wanna seat 400-425? LH is putting 400 pax in their 748i's. So i dont understand.

BA has four classes on long haul, and a high proportion of first & business class seats, which brings down the overall seating capacity of the aircraft. Looking at the airlines 291 seat 747-400s, a similar proportion on an A380 would still only have about 380 seats.
 
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:26 am

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 79):
Here is my question. Why would BA need a A380 if they only wanna seat 400-425? LH is putting 400 pax in their 748i's. So i dont understand.

LH has a three class service versus the four-class BA has. Also, LH uses paired seats in First Class whereas BA uses private suites which takes up more physical floorspace.

So BA has a lower seating density then LH and as such needs more floorspace. So BA could not fit 400 seats in four classes in a 747-8I with reasonable ratios, but would need something larger.
 
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Mon Jun 11, 2007 10:39 pm

Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):
We could buy two or three different types."



Quoting Bringiton (Reply 1):
Nice picture... Lets see what BA decides , i think they would operate both the 748 and the 380

I think the A380 and the 747-8 are a given, intersting will be the decsion between 787 and A350.
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Mon Jun 11, 2007 10:55 pm

Quoting Columba (Reply 82):
Quoting Bringiton (Reply 1):
Nice picture... Lets see what BA decides , i think they would operate both the 748 and the 380

I think the A380 and the 747-8 are a given

Possibly, although its unlikely that both will be ordered this time, so it will be one or the other initially.
 
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:39 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 83):
Possibly, although its unlikely that both will be ordered this time, so it will be one or the other initially.

Why unlikely? Has BA said it is unlikely this time?
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:40 am

According to FI this is what BA is saying.....

Quote:
"The UK flag carrier says it will only buy one of the alternatives - either the Airbus A380 or the smaller Boeing 747-8 Intercontinental - and its selection could have far-reaching consequences for other airlines that have yet to commit to the Airbus double-decker."

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...or-the-747-8-intercontinental.html

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"'When Boeing began talking about the 747-8 it was initially viewed as one last desperate roll of the dice that wouldn't sell in great numbers,' says HSBC analyst Ed Stacey. 'However, the aircraft's sales success has surprised us a bit, and BA, with its large fleet of 747-400s, could go for it.'

The Lufthansa order last December was a crucial development, with BA's commercial director Robert Boyle acknowledging that the interjection of a launch operator for the airliner version of the 747-8 helped its chances at the airline.

'BA never likes to be first with a new aircraft, so that development was positive,' Boyle told Flight International late last year. .....

The situation at BA is even more intriguing, where the influence of its large 747-400 fleet and infrastructure could come into play. If it decides that the size-step alone is not enough to justify a move to the A380, Stacey says that switchover costs to an all-new aircraft could prove to be a barrier.

'The A380's fuel burn per seat advantage over the 747-8 may not be decisive. And with the A380's size meaning that it will have higher landing fees than a 747, the differential on a per-seat basis is probably very small as a proportion of overall costs and may not be enough to offset the cost of switching over from the 747,' Stacey says.

Pricing is likely to be a key element of the BA campaign, with both sides pushing each other to offer generous discounts on the list prices, which in 2006 were around $278 million for the 747-8I and $305 million for the A380.

As with any new programme, Airbus offered significant discounts for early A380 customers, but Stacey wonders whether in light of the production delays it may have bitten off more than it could chew. 'Were the first 100 A380s sold at completely the wrong price?' he asks."


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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Tue Jun 12, 2007 4:00 am

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 85):
Quote:
"'When Boeing began talking about the 747-8 it was initially viewed as one last desperate roll of the dice that wouldn't sell in great numbers,' says HSBC analyst Ed Stacey. 'However, the aircraft's sales success has surprised us a bit, and BA, with its large fleet of 747-400s, could go for it.'



 Confused 20 passenger aircraft since it´s launch and the previous 747 passenger order was in 2002 ?

Pricing is likely to be a key element of the BA campaign

Odd statement again. Network requirements seem more important when comparing two very different aircraft.
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Tue Jun 12, 2007 4:06 am

Quoting Keesje (Reply 86):
 confused  20 passenger aircraft since it´s launch and the previous 747 passenger order was in 2002?

If you expected Boeing to sell none, then 20 - especially to a large A388 customer like LH - is probably surprising.
 
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Tue Jun 12, 2007 5:23 am

Quoting Keesje (Reply 86):
20 passenger aircraft since it´s launch and the previous 747 passenger order was in 2002?

Much better than a lot ordered and none delivered since 2005! - with no cargo variant ordered, to boot. Wink Now, aside from the 787, what could that plane be?  scratchchin 
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Tue Jun 12, 2007 5:48 am

The statement "confirms interest" is nothing more than massive spin on WW's comment "could see.."

By that measure I think BA has always been interested.

All the statement means is that WW hasn't ruled it out. And he won't do that until he gets the best possible deal from Boeing.

Steve
 
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:33 pm

Quoting Sllevin (Reply 89):
The statement "confirms interest" is nothing more than massive spin on WW's comment "could see.."

I totally agree  Yeah sure Any airline that signals interest in Airbus aircraft is really only looking for a cheaper price from Boeing. An a.net excuse thats older than the Bible  Wink
 
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:51 pm

Quoting Sllevin (Reply 89):
The statement "confirms interest" is nothing more than massive spin on WW's comment "could see.."

By that measure I think BA has always been interested.

All the statement means is that WW hasn't ruled it out. And he won't do that until he gets the best possible deal from Boeing.

Steve

OK for 748 order 1. And when BA is in a position to place a follow on order (having shown that A380 was not really in their fleet plans), what price leverage will they get, especially if freighter sales are strong?

To me it would make sense for BA to buy a handful of A380's for the routes that can clearly use them to keep Boeing on their toes with 748-I pricing.

[Edited 2007-06-12 14:54:53]
 
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RE: June8, BA Confirms Interest In 10-15 A380s

Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:56 pm

What are the new crew rooms like at LHR T5? Are some only big enough for B748i crew?

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