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Malaysia Al Will Buy New Planes In January

Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:38 am

http://www.aerospacemedia.com/site/a...p.php?Id=071118042104.2c72lvel.xml

What kind of planes will they buy ?

738 or A320 ?
787 or A350 ?
777-300ER to replace 747-400 ?

How many ?

All these questions will find their answers in January , when they will reveal their plan.
 
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RE: Malaysia Al Will Buy New Planes In January

Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:49 am

You have to feel that this one could go either (or any) way. MH have bought Boeings and Airbuses and a variety of engines. They don't really seem to have strong loyalties one way or the other.

I think it'll come down to delivery times.
 
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RE: Malaysia Al Will Buy New Planes In January

Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:52 am

my guess would be
for narrowbody aircraft
738
for widebody
some 787 and 350
possibly 748 and 773ER

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RE: Malaysia Al Will Buy New Planes In January

Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:18 am



Quoting FCKC (Thread starter):
http://www.aerospacemedia.com/site/a...p.php?Id=071118042104.2c72lvel.xml

What kind of planes will they buy ?

The article does not say if they are interested in widebodies or narrowbodies.
Currently they have:
* 03 Airbus A330-200
* 11 Airbus A330-300
* 37 Boeing 737-400
* 14 Boeing 747-400
* 17 Boeing 777-200ER
Freighter

* 05 Boeing 747-200F
* 02 Boeing 747-400F

On order:

06 Airbus A380-800

I can see that they will replace their 737-400s with 737-800s. Some of their 747-400s will be replaced with A380s but I can see them ordering some 747-8Is to replace the remaining 747-400s as well as some 747-8Fs for the 747-200Fs.
I don´t know if the 777s and A330s need to be replaced that urgent but I can see them ordering the A350 to replace both.
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RE: Malaysia Al Will Buy New Planes In January

Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:43 am



Quoting Columba (Reply 3):
* 03 Airbus A330-200
* 11 Airbus A330-300

Replaced by 788

Quoting Columba (Reply 3):
* 37 Boeing 737-400

A32X

Quoting Columba (Reply 3):
* 14 Boeing 747-400

A388

Quoting Columba (Reply 3):
17 Boeing 777-200ER

A359

Quoting Columba (Reply 3):
* 05 Boeing 747-200F
* 02 Boeing 747-400F

747-8F
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RE: Malaysia Al Will Buy New Planes In January

Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:46 am

Anyone think that they'll consider buying the pax version of the 748i?

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RE: Malaysia Al Will Buy New Planes In January

Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:49 am



Quoting Davescj (Reply 5):
Anyone think that they'll consider buying the pax version of the 748i?



Quoting Columba (Reply 3):
Some of their 747-400s will be replaced with A380s but I can see them ordering some 747-8Is to replace the remaining 747-400s as well as some 747-8Fs for the 747-200Fs

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RE: Malaysia Al Will Buy New Planes In January

Sun Nov 18, 2007 11:31 pm

I'd like to see some A320 for the shorthaul fleet, but reckon they will go 737
 
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RE: Malaysia Al Will Buy New Planes In January

Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:09 am

I expect (as do others) that they will purchase the 737-800. (But the A320 often seems to surprise many) I also think we will see Malaysian aquire the 787-8/9 and possibly the A350 to replace the 777s. I do not (am sorry to say) think they will order the 747-8i, instead I think they will order more A380s and possibly the 777-300ER or A350-1000.
 
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RE: Malaysia Al Will Buy New Planes In January

Mon Nov 19, 2007 4:22 am



Quoting ANstar (Reply 7):
I'd like to see some A320 for the shorthaul fleet, but reckon they will go 737

How many A320s do Air Asiaq have on order, and how likely is it that they will use all aircraft in the short term.

Possible deal might be:
Give Air Asia some access into SIN, in exchange to Air Asia leasing some of their spare A320 capacity to MH.

But who knows?

B738 makes a lot of sense as well
 
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RE: Malaysia Al Will Buy New Planes In January

Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:47 am



Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 9):
How many A320s do Air Asiaq have on order, and how likely is it that they will use all aircraft in the short term.

50 I think? Or perhaps that was just their recent order?
 
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RE: Malaysia Al Will Buy New Planes In January

Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:51 am

NOTE: the comments below are my opinions and impressions based on what I've read/heard.

I have a feeling that the days of 4-holers at MH are numbered. The routes and operations at MH make the 4-holers exceptionally un-economical to run (in MH's fleet and usage).

I suspect, for widebodies, we'll find them going with more 777's in various guises, perhaps the 787 and almost certainly the A350. I doubt the A380 will ever be delivered. Talking to my friends who work for MH, the 74's are often being flown with very low PAX loads (even the TPE - LAX "cash cow" routes are flying at relatively low LFs).

The only route that MH has on its map that more-or-less requires a 4-holer is CPT - EZE, but I don't see that route lasting long-term, or it could be re-routed north to make it ETOPS compliant.
 
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RE: Malaysia Al Will Buy New Planes In January

Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:50 am



Quoting FCKC (Thread starter):
How many ?

They mentioned earlier 55 n/b and 55 w/b so 110 a/c in total.
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RE: Malaysia Al Will Buy New Planes In January

Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:51 pm



Quoting Brenintw (Reply 11):
I doubt the A380 will ever be delivered. Talking to my friends who work for MH, the 74's are often being flown with very low PAX loads (even the TPE - LAX "cash cow" routes are flying at relatively low LFs).

I'm quite confident that they will proceed with the A380 as per original order. However, there's no need for both A380 and 744 at the same time so I sense that the 744 will be gone together. MH has finally realized the importance of hub-and-spoke system and cut their european network considerably leaving only LHR, AMS, CDG, FCO and FRA (expect ARN to go soon). With new codeshare agreements signed with AZ, DJ, SA and possibly extended agreement with KL for connecting opportunities, there will be really good use for those A380 especially to LHR, AMS and SYD. This new strategy was presented in their 2006 annual report.
 
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RE: Malaysia Al Will Buy New Planes In January

Mon Nov 19, 2007 2:08 pm



Quoting KEno (Reply 13):
Quoting Brenintw (Reply 11):
I doubt the A380 will ever be delivered. Talking to my friends who work for MH, the 74's are often being flown with very low PAX loads (even the TPE - LAX "cash cow" routes are flying at relatively low LFs).

I'm quite confident that they will proceed with the A380 as per original order. However, there's no need for both A380 and 744 at the same time so I sense that the 744 will be gone together. MH has finally realized the importance of hub-and-spoke system and cut their european network considerably leaving only LHR, AMS, CDG, FCO and FRA (expect ARN to go soon). With new codeshare agreements signed with AZ, DJ, SA and possibly extended agreement with KL for connecting opportunities, there will be really good use for those A380 especially to LHR, AMS and SYD. This new strategy was presented in their 2006 annual report.

Their first two A380s are quite high up the MSN list (MSN018 and MSN024) - by my maths I reckon that 18 should be delivered to them in about 1 years time so I would guess that they've gone past the threshold of cancelling penalty free as it's probably half built already. My money's on them definitely getting at least some of these planes
 
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RE: Malaysia Al Will Buy New Planes In January

Mon Nov 19, 2007 2:09 pm



Quoting Davescj (Reply 5):
Anyone think that they'll consider buying the pax version of the 748i?

Hardly... A fleet of 14 744 to be replaced by the A388 AND 748i ? I have my doubts... Wouldn't make sense...
 
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RE: Malaysia Al Will Buy New Planes In January

Mon Nov 19, 2007 4:43 pm



Quoting Brenintw (Reply 11):
I suspect, for widebodies, we'll find them going with more 777's in various guises, perhaps the 787 and almost certainly the A350. I doubt the A380 will ever be delivered. Talking to my friends who work for MH, the 74's are often being flown with very low PAX loads (even the TPE - LAX "cash cow" routes are flying at relatively low LFs).

I agree with you that MH should probably be looking away from the A380, and more towards the A350XWB. But, knowing Malaysia, seeing the A380 in MH colors would not surprise me. By the way, this is the first time I've seen anyone refer to TPE-LAX as a "cash cow" for MH.

Quoting KEno (Reply 13):
I'm quite confident that they will proceed with the A380 as per original order. However, there's no need for both A380 and 744 at the same time so I sense that the 744 will be gone together. MH has finally realized the importance of hub-and-spoke system and cut their european network considerably leaving only LHR, AMS, CDG, FCO and FRA (expect ARN to go soon). With new codeshare agreements signed with AZ, DJ, SA and possibly extended agreement with KL for connecting opportunities, there will be really good use for those A380 especially to LHR, AMS and SYD. This new strategy was presented in their 2006 annual report.

I believe that the existing 744s offer adequate capacity for growth. I do not see a strong case for the A380.

LHR: While it is considered a premium station for MH, yields will soon come under further pressure in the form of additional capacity from SQ and EK, both starting A380 operations ahead of MH, and Air Asia X. Over the past year, the frequency has been adjusted downward from 18x to 14x weekly.

AMS: With KL as a partner, this would be where the traffic can grow. This is also where the 744 should be reconfigured to a 2-class 400+ seater, in line with KL's fleet. MH operates this 1x daily; MH should be able to add a second flight when needed.

Finally, it seems a little odd for MH to go on and on about hub-and-spoke operation as if they'd just discovered it. Maybe it's just the reporting. Really, MH has been doing hub-and-spoke for years; it just needs trimming and realignment. With ZRH going in January, the airline may want to take a closer look at ARN-EWR and FRA.
 
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RE: Malaysia Al Will Buy New Planes In January

Mon Nov 19, 2007 4:56 pm

The domestic fleet will be replaced by one of the two ususal suspects, the 737-800 or the A320. The long-haul fleet should be based around the 777. As the MAS 777-200ER fleet is young and the right size, I see them staying. The A380 are coming, too big or not, they will fly to LHR and the larger Australian cities, it is the only airplane which should have First Class in the MAS fleet. The A330 should be replaced by 787 and misused as SIA does, so that MAS has a combined regional and long haul type and not two types. The 744 them becomes the big issue, 777-300ER would be great with the efficiency of the current 777 fleet; 748 would not be good at MAS with the lack of need between an 777 and an A380. The future MAS fleet should be the A380 at the top, then the 777 and 787, and either the 737 or A320 for the domestic routes.
 
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RE: Malaysia Al Will Buy New Planes In January

Mon Nov 19, 2007 5:28 pm



Quoting Econojetter (Reply 16):
Really, MH has been doing hub-and-spoke for years; it just needs trimming and realignment

All this while MH was doing hub-and-spoke via KUL, hence the high number of nonstop european destinations for example. Seems like it only came to their senses now that KUL lacks premium traffic that could make this system workable, unlike SIN. The MH new hub-and-spoke strategy is to reduce european point-to-point significantly and connect to KL/AZ/BD traffic from european hubs, hence removing the need to fly to VIE, ZRH, MAN and possibly soon FRA, ARN. With this kind of strategy MH would need A380 or at least 744 to strengthen their hub destination especially in AMS. Similarly MH seems to have similar strategy via SYD with DJ - I wouldn't be surprised if ADL or even AKL will be axed someday in favour of DJ codshare. Again, a worthy sector for A380.
 
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RE: Malaysia Al Will Buy New Planes In January

Mon Nov 19, 2007 5:50 pm

I also see MAS getting these A380s. THAI have them on order, SIA is already flying the A380, that puts in the position to just follow. I don't think MAS would ever offer something under the standart of their neighbors.
And competition from South-East-Asia using the A380 to London / Australia will be heavy (TG, SQ, QF (assuming they will still use BKK/SIN as stopovers))

But with downgrading capacity, I don't see them getting the B748.
I think they will go for the B787. The 777s will stay for quite some time longer. I can also see them getting A350 XWBs, a Mix of the 787 and 350 seems to quite an elegant solution for most carriers.

How old are MAS 747s? Will they need replacement before the A350 will become available? If so, I can see them getting more 777s to replace their Jumbos.
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RE: Malaysia Al Will Buy New Planes In January

Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:52 pm



Quoting PM (Reply 1):
I think it'll come down to delivery times.

and what is the best deal... A vs B.  dollarsign 

As for the 777's... Avg. age is only 8yrs they are going no where soon and if anything replace the older ones and 747's with the 748i and 77W.
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RE: Malaysia Al Will Buy New Planes In January

Tue Nov 20, 2007 12:46 am



Quoting KEno (Reply 18):
All this while MH was doing hub-and-spoke via KUL, hence the high number of nonstop european destinations for example. Seems like it only came to their senses now that KUL lacks premium traffic that could make this system workable, unlike SIN. The MH new hub-and-spoke strategy is to reduce european point-to-point significantly and connect to KL/AZ/BD traffic from european hubs, hence removing the need to fly to VIE, ZRH, MAN and possibly soon FRA, ARN. With this kind of strategy MH would need A380 or at least 744 to strengthen their hub destination especially in AMS. Similarly MH seems to have similar strategy via SYD with DJ - I wouldn't be surprised if ADL or even AKL will be axed someday in favour of DJ codshare. Again, a worthy sector for A380.

I wasn't referring to the KUL hub when I said MH has been doing it for years. MH has connected with KL at AMS for Europe connections for at least 5 years now, and even longer with BD out of LHR. Indeed, the airline has signed a few more recently but what I'm getting at is that these new deals are definitely not groundbreaking compared with existing ones; I even wonder if some of the new deals are meaningful but that's another discussion. I'll put this down to the reporting in the local media; perhaps the reporter thought "hub-and-spoke" was the new buzzword in the industry.

Yes, MH traffic at AMS is likely to grow with the airline cutting back on nonstop destinations in Europe. But I think that MH needs to get past 2x daily 744 (not counting the KL-operated flights) before talking A380 on that route. As for SYD, I believe that this station, like LHR, will come under pressure from EK, SQ and D7. On a medium length route like this, MH should probably be fighting for a 3rd daily before considering the A380. My main point is, why incur the expense of introducing a new type (with significantly more seats) in small numbers when in-service aircraft are adequate for expansion?
 
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RE: Malaysia Al Will Buy New Planes In January

Tue Nov 20, 2007 1:23 am

Expect to see A380s delivered to MH, but in 2010. Airbus is ready to deliver in 2009 but MH will not be ready by then. Interior plans will be reworked and other preparations will have to resume first (A380s projects were cancelled at the beginning of the BTP).

MH at one point did consider skipping this generation of A32X/B737NG and go straight to the next generation since earliest slot for these narrowbodies aren't until 2015 or so anyway. However, if this order does materialize, the A32X is said to have the lead.

No news at all about MH's evaluation on the A350/B787 except that they are "closely looking at them." Personally I think there is room for both B787/A350 in the MH fleet to replace A330/B777s. Then if they choose only one type, I see the A350XWB has an advantage here. BTW, Airbus and MH are still working out A380 delay penalties and there was word that the order might be increased. Personally I would like to see more new build A330s as interim solution to bridge MH's needs until the arrival of A350s (if ordered).

But things with Malaysia (and MH), only time will tell.
 
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RE: Malaysia Al Will Buy New Planes In January

Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:00 am

Malaysia Airlines is one of the airlines which asked Boeing to build an all new B 747-8. I suppose they will order up to 11-15 B 747-8s to replace their current B 747-400 fleet. Some B 747-400s are already gone and I suppose they will be replaced by the A 380s
 
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RE: Malaysia Al Will Buy New Planes In January

Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:30 am



Quoting EDDB (Reply 15):
A fleet of 14 744 to be replaced by the A388 AND 748i ? I have my doubts... Wouldn't make sense...

Agree - I could see a small order for the 748F however.
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RE: Malaysia Al Will Buy New Planes In January

Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:51 am

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737-4H6 Replacement

This will be a tough one and could go either way. MH have had past be it a brief experience of the 737-800 by leasing two last year. I thought though that there was talk that MH and Air Asia were doing some sort of joint order for the A320. I also see them geting some 737-700s/A319s for their small routes in Malaysia and some in Indionesia and 737-900ERs or A321s for flights to China and India. As these markets are growing for MH and they compet against Air India Express and Jet with 737s and China Eastern and China Southern with Airbus for flights from KUL to China.


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A330/777 Replacement

I see that if they do go with the A380 and compensation is discussed for late delievries that the A350 would be very attractive. The 787 slots are sold out till 2013 arn't they and with EK's large order for the A350 and the popularity that this aircraft is gainging I am asumming that early delivery slots for this aircraft are going fast too. probably a mix of A350/s and 787s might happen after all it is MH but I beleive they are looking to stream line their fleet and have one type to do the 777 and A330 missions but the A350/787 combo is getting quite popular.. We do need to start talking about 777 replaceemnts as the oldest in the fleet was delivered 10 years ago and by the time a replacement is delivered we are talking another 6 years or so. The A330s do need to go or at least have an upgrade. Their A333s are some of the first ever delivered


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747-4H6 replacement

With Malaysia's pride and the fact that Thai and Singapore Airlines are taking the A380 MH will do so too. I don't see the A380 being a replacement for the 747 though but rather used for expansion. Like others have said the A380 would be perfect for LHR, AMS and SYD. I don't see the 747-8i beiong ordered but rather the 77W as the 744 replacement. two engine economics versus four engines would make the 77W more attractive. Even with MH's "presteige" of flying to all continents" thanks to CPT - EZE I doubt that the money that this route genrates (if any) would warrant such a say what aircraft type MH should have in their fleet.

In conclusion

10 x 737-700s
30 x 737-800s
10 x 737-900s
25 x A350s
8 x 77Ws
6 x A380s
 
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RE: Malaysia Al Will Buy New Planes In January

Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:23 am

They will probably need more than 6 A380s/jumbos.

Quoting 9MMPD (Reply 25):
I don't see the 747-8i beiong ordered but rather the 77W as the 744 replacement. two engine economics versus four engines would make the 77W more attractive

Bu again the B 747-8 offers a lower per seat mile cost. Does anyone know whether MH fills their B 747-400s?
 
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RE: Malaysia Al Will Buy New Planes In January

Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:32 am

And these B 747-400s are still very new and they won't be going anytime soon. I mean the remaining 11 of them.

I suppose they will first replace the narrowbodies first. Then widebodies

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