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Delta A330 Without Winglets?!

Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:33 am

I was just watching the movie Hangover 2, when 15 mins into the film there was an aviation scene where a Delta Airbus aircraft is landing at what is supposedly BKK. My question is, Has there ever been an A330 that flew without its winglets?
Because in this scene the Delta aircraft appears to be an A300/310 in the new Delta livery.

Quick search of planespotters/Wikipedia indicates that Delta never operated the A300 but did operate the A310 in the early 1990s. I don't see how footage of the A310 in current livery can exist. And the only alternative I can think of is if Delta ever operated an A330 that had its winglets removed for some reason, and I am just mistaking this for an A310. So I am now thoroughly perplexed and cannot enjoy the rest of the movie until someone tells wth is going on here. For reference this scene is at 14:57 mins of the movie.

Last time I watched the movie, it was in theatres, and I was unable to simply take out my phone or ipad to research this info. Now that I am watching it at home, its driving me crazy...and I am driving others crazy...
 
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RE: Delta A330 Without Winglets?!

Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:45 am

They probably just edited out the winglets. Just what I'm assuming anyway.

Haven't seen a DL A330 without winglets, but here is a BD A330 without one of it's winglets:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUip2sEcb54
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RE: Delta A330 Without Winglets?!

Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:07 am

Wow, you are absolutely right. Great eye!! I'm pretty picky about this crap and I always passed it off as a DL 332.

But you're right... is absolutely, 100% an A300.

So lets think this through. DL doesn't operate the A300. The movie was obviously shot on location in Thailand. The location of the landing could very well be Phuket or Krabi, something like that.

Thai still flies A300.

I think they probably filmed an A300 landing on location, and digitally edited it into the Delta livery. For whatever deal or reason Delta branding was used in other scenes. And they did a really good job with it!

It's kind of ironic they went through all this trouble, but used 747 footage earlier. Of course, they would've needed to make a connection somewhere, so it's technically still logical.

Very interesting, thanks for bringing this up!

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RE: Delta A330 Without Winglets?!

Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:09 am

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 2):
But you're right... is absolutely an A300.

Definitly, here's the clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PtFfOJ4z6k#t=3m2s
  
 
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RE: Delta A330 Without Winglets?!

Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:20 am

And I think the 747 footage is very likely borrowed from "Executive Decision".
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RE: Delta A330 Without Winglets?!

Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:37 am

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 2):
I think they probably filmed an A300 landing on location, and digitally edited it into the Delta livery.

That sounds right...I just had no idea, that motion picture could be edited to that extent. So it definitely is an A300 then...
 
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RE: Delta A330 Without Winglets?!

Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:45 am

They definitely can do amazing things, but I never would have thought this much trouble would be spent on something like this. The attention to detail is amazing. There's even a skyteam logo.

For a few second clip. Man, i dunno. Mind blown.
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RE: Delta A330 Without Winglets?!

Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:18 am

Quoting kiffy (Reply 3):
Definitly, here's the clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PtFfOJ4z6k#t=3m2s
Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 6):
They definitely can do amazing things, but I never would have thought this much trouble would be spent on something like this. The attention to detail is amazing. There's even a skyteam logo.

The blue on the belly doesn't go high enough. Should go through the wingbox, but appears to go below the wing in the video.
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RE: Delta A330 Without Winglets?!

Mon Oct 29, 2012 12:36 pm

I was thinking, well DL did have the A310 briefly...but holy crap, no it´s a A300 in the new colours! Very random.
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RE: Delta A330 Without Winglets?!

Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:01 pm

The aircraft can fly without a winglet, and Delta (Northwest) has done this before. The first few years of operation, there were frequent winglet slicing incidents of side-by-side A330s.


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RE: Delta A330 Without Winglets?!

Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:50 pm

I have not seen the movie, but from my understanding a lot of scenes with planes are stock footage, it could be a lot of things and just edited.
 
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RE: Delta A330 Without Winglets?!

Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:59 pm

Would have been much easier to just grab some footage of a DL plane landing elsewhere. Interesting.
 
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RE: Delta A330 Without Winglets?!

Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:06 pm

The CGI guy must have been an a.net member trolling us and is now laughing at his computer screen at all of our puzzlement. That's the only logical explanation I can think of at least
 
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RE: Delta A330 Without Winglets?!

Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:10 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 17):
The CGI guy must have been an a.net member trolling us and is now laughing at his computer screen at all of our puzzlement. That's the only logical explanation I can think of at least

That's what I think too. I know more than a few CGI guys who are aviation enthusiasts who would do this kind of thing, just purely for the sake of fun.
 
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RE: Delta A330 Without Winglets?!

Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:15 pm

That movie is just too funny, I would never even notice what airplanes they have in it.
 
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RE: Delta A330 Without Winglets?!

Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:24 pm

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 2):
I think they probably filmed an A300 landing on location, and digitally edited it into the Delta livery. For whatever deal or reason Delta branding was used in other scenes. And they did a really good job with it!

Could DL have had a vested interest in the movie such as being used as the airline that transported the cast and crew to locations and in return used their colour scheme as part of the agreement?
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RE: Delta A330 Without Winglets?!

Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:52 pm

Just watched the Bluray and it's definitely an A.300-600.
As you can see in this capture.




And they used the livery of N861NW as the fleetnumber 3361 is quite clear a few seconds later.
Couldn't really capture that though.
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RE: Delta A330 Without Winglets?!

Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:17 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 20):
Could DL have had a vested interest in the movie

DL pay a significant amount for brand placement in a lot of movies. It is a form of subliminal advertising. If you look at just about any US produced movie from the last 3 years I can almost guarantee that the airline "used" is Delta, simply because they paid the most!

The last movie I noticed this is in was What to Expect when you're Expecting (for the record, I didn't watch it alone ). They go so far as to play a segment of "Keep Climbing" during the movie and there are several billboard references to "Atlanta's Hometown Airline" (the movie is set in Atlanta).

Quoting teusje (Reply 21):
Just watched the Bluray and it's definitely an A.300-600.

In that image it is clear what it is, although I'm not sure I would have spotted that when actually watching the movie!
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RE: Delta A330 Without Winglets?!

Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:34 pm

That movie has a lot of good lines.. they don't call it Bangkok for nothing..  
 
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RE: Delta A330 Without Winglets?!

Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:18 pm

Why not just use an actual video of an actual A330 actually at BKK instead of an actual digital rendering?
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RE: Delta A330 Without Winglets?!

Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:23 pm

If you want an odd addition to this story I was on a DL 764 and watched The Hangover part 2 on the AVOD and, I noticed that all the DL product placement was removed. The A300 that landed was changed to just the base blue with the widget on the tail and all logos were removed. My assumption is that this airline version of the film was not only for DL but other airlines too.
 
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RE: Delta A330 Without Winglets?!

Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:08 am

Quoting brilondon (Reply 15):
Could DL have had a vested interest in the movie such as being used as the airline that transported the cast and crew to locations and in return used their colour scheme as part of the agreement?

There are various possible arrangements that might exist from an exchange of goods, services, or money. Any time you see a brand name in a movie, you can bet that the company owning that brand paid sometime (be it money, services, or goods) to get that brand placed there.

The only situation I can imagine in which a brand would be there without an agreement with the company is when it is a historical brand for a now-defunct company, like the use of the White Star Line in the movie Titanic. Although I wonder if Carnival Corp (the parent company of Cunard) owns the White Star brand...

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 19):
Why not just use an actual video of an actual A330 actually at BKK instead of an actual digital rendering?

That's the part that puzzles me. Why not just film an actual DL aircraft landing at BKK? At present, DL 283 is an A333. Given that they had to do on-location filming, anyway, why not plant a crew at BKK to record the landing? Or pay an A.nutter to do it?  
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RE: Delta A330 Without Winglets?!

Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:17 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 17):
DL pay a significant amount for brand placement in a lot of movies. It is a form of subliminal advertising. If you look at just about any US produced movie from the last 3 years I can almost guarantee that the airline "used" is Delta, simply because they paid the most!

And there you have it. That is why the digital reproduction of a fictional DL is due to their paying for their airline to be seen in the movie, not unlike what Coke or Pepsi does to get their drinks in the movie. Why would they not use an actual DL aircraft taking off from BKK? They could not use a DL aircraft because DL only has one flight a day that arrives in the middle of the night and leaves very early in the morning. Not the best light for the filming.
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RE: Delta A330 Without Winglets?!

Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:22 am

Quoting brilondon (Reply 22):
Why would they not use an actual DL aircraft taking off from BKK? They could not use a DL aircraft because DL only has one flight a day that arrives in the middle of the night and leaves very early in the morning. Not the best light for the filming.

Ah, now that makes perfect sense. One also wonders if they could just shoot the landing at a different airport. My guess is that very few people, including people who live in Bankok, would notice that it wasn't BKK.

As far as the winglet issue, what is used on the end of the wing if there is no winglet? Is there some wingtip end-cap that Airbus offers?
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RE: Delta A330 Without Winglets?!

Tue Oct 30, 2012 1:24 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 23):
As far as the winglet issue, what is used on the end of the wing if there is no winglet? Is there some wingtip end-cap that Airbus offers?

In that closeup photo of the NW bird, it kinda looks like just a lot of strategically placed speed tape...
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RE: Delta A330 Without Winglets?!

Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:58 am

Quoting N243NW (Reply 24):
In that closeup photo of the NW bird, it kinda looks like just a lot of strategically placed speed tape...

It looks like there is a shiny, rounded endcap for the wing.
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RE: Delta A330 Without Winglets?!

Tue Oct 30, 2012 4:43 am

In so many movies they use stock footage and don't try to get it right, so for one flight you see the characters hop in a 747, then a DC-10 taxiing, an A320 taking off, an A340 landing... And here they would do this !
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RE: Delta A330 Without Winglets?!

Tue Oct 30, 2012 4:51 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 21):
There are various possible arrangements that might exist from an exchange of goods, services, or money. Any time you see a brand name in a movie, you can bet that the company owning that brand paid sometime (be it money, services, or goods) to get that brand placed there.
Up In The Air was particularly blatant about this. The entire movie was basically an American Airlines infomercial.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 21):
The only situation I can imagine in which a brand would be there without an agreement with the company is when it is a historical brand for a now-defunct company, like the use of the White Star Line in the movie Titanic. Although I wonder if Carnival Corp (the parent company of Cunard) owns the White Star brand...

If the brand hasn't been used for a long enough time, they may no longer have the rights to it anyway.
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RE: Delta A330 Without Winglets?!

Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:12 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 27):
Up In The Air was particularly blatant about this. The entire movie was basically an American Airlines infomercial.

American paid no money to be featured in the movie.
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RE: Delta A330 Without Winglets?!

Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:32 am

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 28):
American paid no money to be featured in the movie.

But NW was on the poster. The picture is Clooney's character standing in front of the fountain at DTW staring at a 747 and if you look closely you'll see just a bit of the compass on the side.
 
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RE: Delta A330 Without Winglets?!

Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:33 pm

A lot of brands were shown in Up In The Air. The director said that was done to make it more realistic, not for brand sales purposes. But who knows what really goes on in Hollywood.

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