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Air India To Resume Three Europe Routes

Tue Apr 23, 2013 3:00 pm

According to the article AI plan to restart Birmingham, Moscow, Rome plus add Milan this year, besides that Australia is also planned to resume http://www.travelbizmonitor.com/air-...ternational-cities-this-year-20078

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RE: Air India To Resume Three Europe Routes

Tue Apr 23, 2013 3:20 pm

Nice use of the adjective -"like" in that article.

Absolutely no substance at this time through Birmingham and Moscow are almost certain at some point and i suppose they do need to send those Dreamliners somewhere !
 
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RE: Air India To Resume Three Europe Routes

Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:11 am

Do you think they will ever start a service to MAN? Perhaps 2/3 x weekly to both Delhi and Mumbai?
 
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RE: Air India To Resume Three Europe Routes

Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:20 am

With what aircraft? Doesn't AI have 777's parked trying to lease or sell those, plus the 787's are not up to their standards either, and AI wants cash for the delays, but also what AI called Less than advertised, or optimal performance on long haul routes? I do not get AI, one week they are in the toilet, and next week they are flying to half a dozen new places, yet they can't keep routes from the US profitable?
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RE: Air India To Resume Three Europe Routes

Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:34 am

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 2):
Do you think they will ever start a service to MAN? Perhaps 2/3 x weekly to both Delhi and Mumbai?


Short answer No !

This is one airline that Birmingham may well have in the bag

Frankly do you really want an airline so corrupt swayed by political interference and mood swings ?

You know that the A310 services back in the nineties were suspended because of Delhi's desire to move migrant workers to the Middle East and no other reason.

IMHO Manchester would be better served with a year round scheduled by Jet in association with Etihad.

The frequency levels need to be at least five weekly and the destination to be Delhi.

Low frequencies to both Delhi and Mumbai (Bombay) would be economically useless.
 
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RE: Air India To Resume Three Europe Routes

Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:38 am

Quoting 777way (Thread starter):
Australia is also planned to resume

They've been saying that practically every month since 2009. Personally I'll believe after the chocks have been placed and the engines turner off at MEL!
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RE: Air India To Resume Three Europe Routes

Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:46 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 5):
They've been saying that practically every month since 2009. Personally I'll believe after the chocks have been placed and the engines turner off at MEL!

Agreed !
 
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RE: Air India To Resume Three Europe Routes

Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:05 am

There is no direct flight currently from MAN to any Indian destination. There is scope for an airline to do well on this sector to be honest. There is good number of population in Northwest + Yorkshire region of England who will be benefited from direct flight either MAN-BOM or MAN-DEL. 9W has potential to start this service, god knows about AI.
 
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RE: Air India To Resume Three Europe Routes

Wed Apr 24, 2013 3:03 pm

Birmingham has been tried before by AI and other airlines. All have failed, because London area airports are too close and cost competitive, plus there is not enough premium passengers. However MAN is different, it is quite a distance from London area and there are sufficient passengers atleast from DEL, also it can lure passengers from BHM area. Ideal flight would be BOM-DEL-MAN by Air India, in the smallest long haul aircraft available perhaps about 4 times a week, which is a good frequency. Currently most of the traffic is via middle east carriers due to their excellent connections to cities other than BOM/DEL, even BA does not get that much of the MAN traffic as it is always priced higher.
 
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RE: Air India To Resume Three Europe Routes

Wed Apr 24, 2013 3:16 pm

Please note that demand from MAN to India is more than triple than the demand from BHX to India.

Also MAN-BOM market size in 2012 was way bigger than BHX-DEL. MAN-India market size in 2012 were as follows:

BOM - 70,000
DEL - 48,000
COK - 22,000
BLR - 18,000
MAA - 15,000
HYD - 12,000
AMD - 11,000
CCU - 10,000
ATQ - 7,000

Total MAN-India in 2012 was 213,000

In comparison, BHX-India total was 143,000 and split accordingly:

DEL - 50,000
BOM - 34,000
COK - 15,000
BLR - 11,000
MAA - 9,000
AMD - 8,000
HYD - 6,000
ATQ - 6,000
CCU - 4,000

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RE: Air India To Resume Three Europe Routes

Wed Apr 24, 2013 3:30 pm

Why is this? There is no significant Indian population in North West England, compared with large numbers in the West Midlands and nearby Leicestershire (and of course London). Not to mention business links like JLR/Tata.

Do you have the same demand figures for BHX? Would be nice to compare.

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RE: Air India To Resume Three Europe Routes

Wed Apr 24, 2013 3:35 pm

Except that Emirates will still hold most of the market and Air India will lose even more money.
 
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RE: Air India To Resume Three Europe Routes

Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:01 pm

Quoting behramjee (Reply 9):
In comparison, BHX-India total was 143,000 and split accordingly:

DEL - 50,000
BOM - 34,000
COK - 15,000
BLR - 11,000
MAA - 9,000
AMD - 8,000
HYD - 6,000
ATQ - 6,000
CCU - 4,000


I wonder why the ATQ figure is so far out. Amritsar is predicted as 6,000 passengers demand in 2012 when Turkmenistan Airlines carried 59,202 on BHX-ASB-ATQ.

Delhi seems accurate (the only other one I can compare) with 40,000 carried on BHX-DEL in 2007, its last full year of operation. Although since this was joint with YYZ and ATQ stops it is difficult to judge how many seats were actually available for BHX.

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RE: Air India To Resume Three Europe Routes

Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:20 pm

Quoting FaddyPainter (Reply 10):

Can you please explain me how you reached that conclusion? Liverpool, Manchester, Sheffield, Leeds are four major cities who can use MAN to fly to BOM or DEL. Liverpool is 45 mins away from MAN. Sheffield is 1.15 hrs off MAN, Leeds is 1.0 hrs away from MAN.

Apart from that Preston + Blackburn + Bradford has got good Indian population. All 4 in range of 1-1.5 hrs drive from MAN.

There is potential on this route. No one has ever tried it apart from SQ if I am not wrong. I think they had MAN-BOM-SIN routing back in days, don't know why they stopped it. I have strong feeling, if 9W start atleast 4/week including Friday, Sat, Sun and any other midweek day, would be fantastic.

Reason I would prefer 9W, as they have potential with decent fleet and good customer service. They have got good domestic connectivity too. All people who wants to connect to BLR, HYD, ATQ,Kolkata would happily take it I guess.

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RE: Air India To Resume Three Europe Routes

Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:30 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 3):
With what aircraft? Doesn't AI have 777's parked trying to lease or sell those

Yes. At least one 777 is stored at BOM for some months already, I took photoproof of it though the registration was not visible to me. Saw a second one also that looked as if being parked for some time. Heavily covered with dust like the 787s. Havent the 77Ls not been sold or leased out to some Russian carrier recently, I mean a deal has been signed to do so soon?
 
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RE: Air India To Resume Three Europe Routes

Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:38 pm

Quoting TheAviator380 (Reply 13):
. No one has ever tried it apart from SQ if I am not wrong. I think they had MAN-BOM-SIN routing back in days, don't know why they stopped it. I have strong feeling, if 9W start atleast 4/week includi

Yep quite wrong actually both BA and Air India have served the Manchester - India markets in the past

Air India using A310-300s via several mainland Europe points and British Airways using Boeing 747 en-route Hong Kong.

The numbers from behamjee seem a little dubious (and need verification) to me however the dispersal of the various Sub Continental Diaspora's differ form region to region within England.

For instance the West Midlands has a concentration of ethnic Hindi, Sikh and Jains all from areas of India.

The North West and Yorkshire Diaspora's are primarily Bangladeshi and Pakistani .
 
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RE: Air India To Resume Three Europe Routes

Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:46 pm

Quoting TheAviator380 (Reply 13):
Can you please explain me how you reached that conclusion?

Ok should have worded that differently. There is a "large" (ok subjective term there) diaspora in the North West, but relative to those other regions I mentioned it is quite a bit smaller.

See for yourself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Indian#Population_spread
(Yes it is Wikipedia but you can trawl through the primary ONS data if you don't believe it.)

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