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Another Engine Cowling Issue For An A319/A320

Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:00 am

http://www.youreporter.it/gallerie/V...ORNA_A_MALPENSA_dopo_DECOLLO/pag-1

Another engine cowling issue for a an A319/A320 (not sure which one, I couldn't find the information anywhere). It was the Milan-Lisbon flight.
 
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RE: Another Engine Cowling Issue For An A319/A320

Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:04 am

It's clear on the picture an Easy Jet plane. They have one flight 2715 dep 18.05 to Lisbon
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RE: Another Engine Cowling Issue For An A319/A320

Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:27 am

Based on FlightRadar24, it was G-EZTC, with the flight ultimately operated by the replacement G-EZTG.
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Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:18 am

What's going on here, are mx not reading their A320 series manuals?
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RE: Another Engine Cowling Issue For An A319/A320

Tue Aug 13, 2013 8:52 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):

No.
Mechanics are not deemed necesary anymore for predeparture check/push-back and turn arounds. Beans counter decision whit tacit Regulators approval. Final safety check is now and added responsability for Pilots.
In the case of A320, should you want to be sure all engine latches are closed,you must kneel down to check them. I'm waiting to see it happen at least once.
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RE: Another Engine Cowling Issue For An A319/A320

Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:02 am

How hard is it to make some kind of spring mechanism that pops up the cowling if it's not properly latched? So it's easy to see that it isn't?
Probably a bit hard because the Airbus engineers have not done it..but...
 
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RE: Another Engine Cowling Issue For An A319/A320

Tue Aug 13, 2013 10:39 am

Just follow the damn checklist folks.....is it that tough...all the more when such an occurance is a common mistake that can occur.....
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RE: Another Engine Cowling Issue For An A319/A320

Tue Aug 13, 2013 10:59 am

Quoting Apprentice (Reply 4):
Final safety check is now and added responsability for Pilots.
In the case of A320, should you want to be sure all engine latches are closed,you must kneel down to check them. I'm waiting to see it happen at least once.

Yeah, true,...a pilot on his knees, how unthinkable it is indeed...
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RE: Another Engine Cowling Issue For An A319/A320

Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:14 am

Quoting nicoeddf (Reply 7):
Yeah, true,...a pilot on his knees, how unthinkable it is indeed...

Well since the A320 is fully automated it does give the pilot something to do to earn the funds being paid to him while the computer does all the hard work  
 
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RE: Another Engine Cowling Issue For An A319/A320

Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:17 am

Quoting par13del (Reply 9):
Well since the A320 is fully automated it does give the pilot something to do to earn the funds being paid to him while the computer does all the hard work

But maybe we can program the aircraft to make the walk around itself? And in five years everybody complains about the apparent lack of hand flying, err...checking skills.  
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RE: Another Engine Cowling Issue For An A319/A320

Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:07 pm

If my $30k car can give me a digital picture on the multi function display indicating an offending door in its unlatched state, why can't a $35m aircraft do something similar?
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RE: Another Engine Cowling Issue For An A319/A320

Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:37 pm

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 11):
If my $30k car can give me a digital picture on the multi function display indicating an offending door in its unlatched state, why can't a $35m aircraft do something similar?

You know the answer, obviously, as you are way too knowledgeable not to - but you weren't Ikamerica, I would explain to you now, that a car has 3 to 7 "latches" (or so), while a plane has at least a hundred...which all need to be connected with wiring, sensor,...just for the benefit, that crew and maintenance don't need to ensure everything is locked up.
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RE: Another Engine Cowling Issue For An A319/A320

Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:13 pm

Quoting nicoeddf (Reply 12):
I would explain to you now, that a car has 3 to 7 "latches" (or so), while a plane has at least a hundred...

I guess the unasked question is, how important is a latch that has the potential to have the cowling depart the a/c in flight?
On the business (airline) side, if true that the bean counters have removed mechanics from doing inspection prior to push back, should they have know about such an issue and should it have factored into their analysis and recommendations?
 
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RE: Another Engine Cowling Issue For An A319/A320

Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:19 pm

Quoting par13del (Reply 9):
Well since the A320 is fully automated it does give the pilot something to do to earn the funds being paid to him while the computer does all the hard work


Fully automated?
If this were the case then nobody would be to blame.
Everyone involved with putting an aircraft in the air has a crucial role to play. That includes the flight crew, the ground crew and the cabin crew (who of course have very little input to the external condition of the aircraft).
I don't know who was at fault here but the main issue is that that cause is identified and prevented from happening again.
 
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RE: Another Engine Cowling Issue For An A319/A320

Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:29 pm

Quoting par13del (Reply 13):
I guess the unasked question is, how important is a latch that has the potential to have the cowling depart the a/c in flight?
On the business (airline) side, if true that the bean counters have removed mechanics from doing inspection prior to push back, should they have know about such an issue and should it have factored into their analysis and recommendations?

Every latch is important. Therefore, the normal and proven aviation procedures are in place to make sure those are shut tight. Still, the human component for error is there, which brings us to the next question of the poor bastards in controlling.

I guess, from my POV, the "evil bean counters are getting in the way of good workmanship" argument is way overhyped. Despite what a.net thinks, they are not the only ones deciding how many people do work how long on this-or-that items. They are here to ask challenging questions - rightfully so. They do not bring aviation in danger.

And no, I am not a bean counter - rather the opposite. Just sayin...
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RE: Another Engine Cowling Issue For An A319/A320

Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:57 pm

The blame lies with the last one to close the cowling. One of the latches didn't catch and was missed. They are real hard to see on a walk around. Of all the planes I have worked on they are the worst to see. You pretty much have to lay on the ground to see them. Why was it missed? Not due to no mechanic doing the final walk around. It should have been found when they closed the cowl. The job is "Done" close it up, hurry up! So many mechanics get this way in the final steps of a job, usually the mundane steps of closing it back up. The answer is slow down and see the job through.
 
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RE: Another Engine Cowling Issue For An A319/A320

Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:30 pm

Quoting Dalmd88 (Reply 16):

The blame approach is not longer valid in our industry. What is lacking here is extra safety layer. When a/c is in Hangar, mechanics use to work under time constraints and rush since the allocated time for a check did not cover the extra jobs and delays for malfunctions/defects discovered while a/c is in the Hangar... and plane is already schedulle for next flight..When a/c form Hangar check come to Flight Line, line mechanics use to do a very detailed check of every panel, cowl, latch, etc., if Line mechanics are available.

Till recently, in all departures, a mechanic should do a final walk around check with special attention to panels, locks, latch, safety pins removal,..etc, and then sign a Release to Service. Nowdays, a short-medium plane will have no Mx till the end of flight journey or if there is any kind of snag. Depend on company's Maintenance Program, may be after Hangar check no other Line Mx is legally requiered for a/c to flight. There are not Mechanics also in push backs, only Rampers. Final safety check rely on Pilots, which have planty of other jobs to do and don't come to Ramp when everything is closed and locked for a check, no time for that. There was a case in CDG, A320, fuel leak fron one engine during start, no spotted by Rampers, no indicated of course in the cockpit and the plane start movement. During, thanks God, long CDG taxi run, crew of the plane taxing behind, spotted a fire and gave the alert. This incident was traced afterward to a broken fuel manifold which happens, but about lack of qualifying mechanics during eng start and push back who will note inmedialtly a fuel runing leak and alert the crew, not a word from authorities, nor the company which is very busy trimming costs..

Still not clear to me if eng was opened in Milan or not.
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RE: Another Engine Cowling Issue For An A319/A320

Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:44 pm

Interesting that this was a CFM engined aircraft and the LHR BA Oslo flight incident aircraft was V2500 powered. I imagine that due to different engine shapes the cowlings would be a different design, but both appear to have an inspection "issue".
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RE: Another Engine Cowling Issue For An A319/A320

Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:47 pm

Quoting Dalmd88 (Reply 16):
The blame lies with the last one to close the cowling.

I'm not trying to start anything with this comment. But, it appears to me that the "Blame" must lie at the design of the nacelle latches. I.E., their placement, type, not being easily seen, etc.

This particular aircraft and engine has a fairly lengthy history of losing its cowling and the BA flight that recently lost both engine nacelle cowlings confirm that it can develop into quite a serious event.

Yes,mechanics, pilots, etc. can have the obligation to check them, but, the latches themselves appear to be the real problem.
 
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Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:55 pm

Quoting Apprentice (Reply 17):
The blame approach is not longer valid in our industry.

That is true, but it did not get done right the first time. The mechanic that closed the cowl is responsible for completing the job. Sure the latch could have failed, there needs to multiple layers of oversight, but it all starts with the first guy. Many times I'm that first guy so I have to think this way. I've also been the second guy that found latches not secure, before something happened.
 
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RE: Another Engine Cowling Issue For An A319/A320

Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:57 pm

But the A320 has been flying for over 20 years, why has this become such a big issue now, and not at any time in the preceding decades?
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RE: Another Engine Cowling Issue For An A319/A320

Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:58 pm

Didn't the FAA issue an AD about this issue or was it limited to main landing gear doors or something like that? It's become a bit of an epidemic for A320 series aircraft to lose engine cowlings these days,
 
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RE: Another Engine Cowling Issue For An A319/A320

Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:15 pm

Quoting Apprentice (Reply 4):

No.
Mechanics are not deemed necesary anymore for predeparture check/push-back and turn arounds. Beans counter decision whit tacit Regulators approval. Final safety check is now and added responsability for Pilots.
In the case of A320, should you want to be sure all engine latches are closed,you must kneel down to check them. I'm waiting to see it happen at least once.

         Couldn't agree more.

Despite the fact that some people here are being saracastic about how unthinkable it is to see a pilot kneeling to check engine latches, I still wait to see how this is being performed during a cold and rainy winter day, on a wet and dirty tarmac and a always shorter walkaround time...
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RE: Another Engine Cowling Issue For An A319/A320

Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:33 pm

Quoting Dalmd88 (Reply 20):

Errare humanun est. That is why all safety nets should be in place.

Quoting 3rdGen (Reply 21):

20 yrs ago, a very well qualified and experienced mechanic, with authorization to Release to Service this specific airplane type for that specific company would had done the final safety check AND legally signed it in a/c Log Book and of course, hold liability for that.
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RE: Another Engine Cowling Issue For An A319/A320

Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:35 pm

Quoting 3rdGen (Reply 21):
But the A320 has been flying for over 20 years, why has this become such a big issue now, and not at any time in the preceding decades?

Is it due to a/c age, example the a/c involved in the latest incidents, are they older a/c now subject to more frequent maintenance intervals where the cowls must be removed?

Quoting airproxx (Reply 23):
I still wait to see how this is being performed during a cold and rainy winter day, on a wet and dirty tarmac and a always shorter walkaround time...

Well since a pilot is a human being, I would say it has to be checked the same way a line mechanic would have to perform the function, bundle up and walk around the a/c and check everything that is on the checklist.
 
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RE: Another Engine Cowling Issue For An A319/A320

Tue Aug 13, 2013 7:02 pm

Quoting par13del (Reply 25):
Well since a pilot is a human being, I would say it has to be checked the same way a line mechanic would have to perform the function, bundle up and walk around the a/c and check everything that is on the checklist.

Pilots are not human beings, they are Pilots....... Ok just kidding here ...

Being myself a pilot on the type, I can tell you that "human being" or not, a mechanic would perform that check way better than a pilot would, simply because a mechanic has nothing else to think about.

You really believe that a pilot, wearing his immaculate uniform, would put a knee down a dirty tarmac, during a rainy day, to visually check if all the engine cowling latches are on position? Do you? Human being are, unfortunately, not that perfect. Put it twice on the check list, it doesn't mean it'll be performed 200% better.

Maybe if our aviation pioneers flew with mechanics, and if it's been ages since checks are also performed by mechanics, well it's because it's better this way.

Flying an A320 is not the same kind of activity than flying a good old 172 during a day off. With a, say, 35 min block time turnaround, I doubt that an exterior walkaround would be performed by a pilot as meticulously as it would be by a mechanic.

Anyway, all recurrencies on this type of events show there's sme kind of failure in the process, and to me, the pilot is not the one to blame...
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RE: Another Engine Cowling Issue For An A319/A320

Tue Aug 13, 2013 7:08 pm

Quoting 3rdGen (Reply 21):
But the A320 has been flying for over 20 years, why has this become such a big issue now, and not at any time in the preceding decades?

There IS at least a bit of history: a 320 flying for FL (actually flown by a contractor DBA AirTran) had the same thing happen after takeoff from ATL and a pax took a photo which went viral. IIRC, this was some 10 years ago.
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RE: Another Engine Cowling Issue For An A319/A320

Tue Aug 13, 2013 7:22 pm

Quoting airproxx (Reply 26):

[QUOTE] Anyway, all recurrencies on this type of events show there's sme kind of failure in the process, and to me, the pilot is not the one to blame... [/UNQUOTE]

That's is exactly the point, something is falling in the new procedure, to frequently and not a word from authorities. Should the problem was ENG IFSD with same ocurrence rate, all rings and bells would be playing, not in this case, which by the way is an accident, not an incident: damage to a/c structure was sustained.

And also agree, mechanic is best suited person, by formation, practice and experience to do safety exterior check.
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RE: Another Engine Cowling Issue For An A319/A320

Tue Aug 13, 2013 8:01 pm

Couldn't those mirrors that customs officers use to look for contraband be used to check the latches so that the pilots' uniforms don't have to touch the ground?
 
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RE: Another Engine Cowling Issue For An A319/A320

Tue Aug 13, 2013 8:11 pm

Quoting airproxx (Reply 26):
I doubt that an exterior walkaround would be performed by a pilot as meticulously as it would be by a mechanic.

Anyway, all recurrencies on this type of events show there's sme kind of failure in the process, and to me, the pilot is not the one to blame...

No disrespect meant here, but if a pilot isn't doing a proper check of the cowlings despite the well documented cowl issues, then I don't know what will help short of welding them closed and going in through the exhaust. Because clearly this issue is eluding all people responsible for checking...
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RE: Another Engine Cowling Issue For An A319/A320

Tue Aug 13, 2013 8:11 pm

Quoting 3rdGen (Reply 21):
But the A320 has been flying for over 20 years, why has this become such a big issue now, and not at any time in the preceding decades?

Why should there be a reason behind it. I fully agree with you here, and just think it is coïncidence and bad 'luck'
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RE: Another Engine Cowling Issue For An A319/A320

Tue Aug 13, 2013 8:22 pm

When the pilot does his walk around and accept the aircraft for the flight would he not check the latches?
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Tue Aug 13, 2013 8:56 pm

Quoting Speedbird128 (Reply 30):

No disrespect meant here, but if a pilot isn't doing a proper check of the cowlings despite the well documented cowl issues, then I don't know what will help short of welding them closed and going in through the exhaust. Because clearly this issue is eluding all people responsible for checking...

Totally agreed. A check is a check and must be performed properly. But if a walkaround shows some possible failures, there must be a change, or, at least, some kind of redundency.
I see the pilot's walkaround as one last rempart for flight safety here. There must be a more efficient process before it to ensure such incident won't happen. And again, I'm not sure the pilot is to blame...
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RE: Another Engine Cowling Issue For An A319/A320

Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:02 pm

Quoting planewasted (Reply 5):
How hard is it to make some kind of spring mechanism that pops up the cowling if it's not properly latched? So it's easy to see that it isn't?
Probably a bit hard because the Airbus engineers have not done it..but...

If you read the AAIB report into the BA incident a few months back it clearly states that the cowls do not meet unless latched, when un latched you can clearly see that the edge of the cowl doesn't line up with the fan casing at the front. Airbus have designed in an indication, its just that the people doing walk rounds haven't appreciated it.
 
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RE: Another Engine Cowling Issue For An A319/A320

Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:03 pm

Quoting airproxx (Reply 26):

Being myself a pilot on the type, I can tell you that "human being" or not, a mechanic would perform that check way better than a pilot would, simply because a mechanic has nothing else to think about.

Everyone but the bean counters who initiated the change will probably agree with you, problem is, they are not the ones making the decision nor providing numbers to the management to effect the change.

Quoting airproxx (Reply 26):
You really believe that a pilot, wearing his immaculate uniform, would put a knee down a dirty tarmac, during a rainy day, to visually check if all the engine cowling latches are on position?

So an oversight by the bean counters, they forgot to adjust the pilots uniform to accomodate knee pads  

An oversight was obviously made somewhere, no one wants to operate an a/c with cowls falling off, unfortunately real world history is that when decisions are made to save money, the initiators almost never check the greater details of cause and effect until something goes wrong, then as usual, its someone failing to do their job.
 
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RE: Another Engine Cowling Issue For An A319/A320

Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:31 pm

Quoting airproxx (Reply 33):
And again, I'm not sure the pilot is to blame...

Clearly the walkarounds (a) aren't being done, or (b) the latches not being checked (for whatever reason).

I remember seeing this on an Airbus bulletin to airbus 320-series operaters and by extension the pilots thereof, my question is why are latches still not being checked despite the knowledge that latching is an issue that has reared its ugly head in flight (what's the total now? 30?)

I don't see this as being a bean counter problem, rather an item just not being checked. I doubt that cowlings are opened between the walkaround and push back. So the question should be is why are the crews not checking them?

Granted I only flew light planes, but surely when an aircraft manufacturers publish bulletins about this, crews are a little more vigilant?
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RE: Another Engine Cowling Issue For An A319/A320

Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:49 pm

Quoting nicoeddf (Reply 12):

I don't think that's the answer.

Part of the answer is that my car was designed and certified in 2006 with all the technological progress that goes with that. The A320 was designed and certified in the early and mid 80s, and at that time even the most expensive cars had a single indicator telling that something unspecified was unlatched.
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RE: Another Engine Cowling Issue For An A319/A320

Tue Aug 13, 2013 10:12 pm

The mention of bean counters makes me think once again to onslaught of LCC has brought home the fact that every cost of short haul flying is being cut, line engineers for one. All airlines had their own ground staff who were well trained and being part of that company made them carry out their duties with care, but because of the LCC everyone is outsourcing everything or passing the onus onto the pilot. I personally think the LCC have destroyed the aviation industry and turned it into a pile it high, sell it cheap format, but adversely they are no longer 'cheap' I have never flown a LCC and never will as they have cost thousands of jobs and those that remain work for handling agents for a pittance
 
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RE: Another Engine Cowling Issue For An A319/A320

Wed Aug 14, 2013 12:10 am

Quoting airproxx (Reply 26):
You really believe that a pilot, wearing his immaculate uniform, would put a knee down a dirty tarmac, during a rainy day, to visually check if all the engine cowling latches are on position? Do you? Human being are, unfortunately, not that perfect. Put it twice on the check list, it doesn't mean it'll be performed 200% better.

Most aircraft engines latch on the sides where it is easier to see on the Airbus it latches on the bottom I know it does on the CFM but since it happens on the V2500 engines I assume they latch in the same place. So what to do about it? Well guess if it happens enough maybe the pilots on the Airbus be issued an inspection mirror to use during walkaround would keep them from having to get on their knees. We use them a lot in maintenance they fold up and can put it in your pocket.
 
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RE: Another Engine Cowling Issue For An A319/A320

Wed Aug 14, 2013 2:32 am

Quoting 3rdGen (Reply 21):
But the A320 has been flying for over 20 years, why has this become such a big issue now, and not at any time in the preceding decades?

I found this article to provide a bit of insight into the issue when I read it a few months ago: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...at-centre-of-ba-a319-probe-386495/

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Thirty-five similar incidents involving the loss of fan cowls have been recorded by Airbus, including the BA event.

Incidents involving the A320, notably those caused by failure to latch the doors upon closure, have plagued the type for more than two decades.

It would seem this has in fact been an issue for over 20 years and not just now.

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RE: Another Engine Cowling Issue For An A319/A320

Wed Aug 14, 2013 3:23 am

Those bean counters will be the end of us all!

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RE: Another Engine Cowling Issue For An A319/A320

Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:30 am

Quoting a36001 (Reply 41):

Those bean counters will be the end of us all!

I personally think that poorly conducted walkarounds to be a bigger danger... Its the same when a commercial jet liner departs with transponder turned off. I wonder to myself if the any of the checklists were done...
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RE: Another Engine Cowling Issue For An A319/A320

Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:32 am

Quoting bendewire (Reply 38):

[QUOTE] The mention of bean counters makes me think once again to onslaught of LCC has brought home the fact that every cost of short haul flying is being cut, line engineers for one. All airlines had their own ground staff who were well trained and being part of that company made them carry out their duties with care, but because of the LCC everyone is outsourcing everything or passing the onus onto the pilot. I personally think the LCC have destroyed the aviation industry and turned it into a pile it high, sell it cheap format, but adversely they are no longer 'cheap' I have never flown a LCC and never will as they have cost thousands of jobs and those that remain work for handling agents for a pittance [/UNQUOTE]

Include me in that list, pls.
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RE: Another Engine Cowling Issue For An A319/A320

Wed Aug 14, 2013 10:14 am

For those who want to get and idea, I posted this video about opening/closing A320 cowls. In our case, we are talking about fan cowls; the ones that are opening first, manually. Note clearance to ground in reference with the mechanic and also that the first latch is some 1,0 m from eng inlet, you have to get rear close to floor if you want to be sure they are closed. Worth note how mech check at the very end cowlings for proper alignment.

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RE: Another Engine Cowling Issue For An A319/A320

Wed Aug 14, 2013 10:33 am

IN the early days of aviation lessons needed to be learnt quickly. So all kinds of safety devises and methods of working became the norm. If something hapened once or twice then something was done. Gates for switches that could be activated by a jacket cuff, Extra checks by ground staff to ensure no FOD left in a working area or tools etc. Ultimately all checks were left to the pilot who did the final walk around. The Pilots check would be after many other checks by other trades etc. These cowlings have caused problems in the past due to poor design but this should have been changed long ago. However the Pilots are clearly not doing their job while the cowlings are redesigned.
 
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RE: Another Engine Cowling Issue For An A319/A320

Wed Aug 14, 2013 1:13 pm

Pilots are notoriously lazy and usually get complacent after a while. What will most likely happen is that from this incident pilots will start checking the doors on the walk around. After about the 100th walk around when they haven't once found an issue some pilots (read many) will just stop checking because crouching that low is just going to be a pain in the a**.

And in any case, pilots usually wear black pants and they'll get dirty! Around 50% of pilots pre-flight time is spent looking in the mirror or any other half-reflective material.
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RE: Another Engine Cowling Issue For An A319/A320

Wed Aug 14, 2013 2:50 pm

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RE: Another Engine Cowling Issue For An A319/A320

Wed Aug 14, 2013 3:13 pm

Could an option of replacing the latch mechanism or fit a pop out mechanical Indicator when unlocked be an option.
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RE: Another Engine Cowling Issue For An A319/A320

Wed Aug 14, 2013 3:21 pm

Quoting 3rdGen (Reply 46):
Pilots are notoriously lazy and usually get complacent after a while. What will most likely happen is that from this incident pilots will start checking the doors on the walk around. After about the 100th walk around when they haven't once found an issue some pilots (read many) will just stop checking because crouching that low is just going to be a pain in the a**.

And in any case, pilots usually wear black pants and they'll get dirty! Around 50% of pilots pre-flight time is spent looking in the mirror or any other half-reflective material.

That is not just an incorrect statement but a huge insult to the thousands of us pilots out there who have carried hundreds of millions of passengers while doing everything in our power to ensure safety for those passengers. I don't know how you do things but where I come from and how I was taught, we don't cut corners.
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