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AA/US W14 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:38 pm

Here's a snapshot of the AA and US winter 2014 hub and secondary hub operations based on schedules for Friday, February 21, 2014. Data is from AA's website and US's website. I don't guarantee 100% accuracy because the process is very manual, but it should be close! I posted similar threads for UA's and DL's winter schedules. Note that AA and US have not starting optimizing their schedules yet, so this is basically two separate airline timetables. However, it should give an idea of how many total operations the combined airlines have at each hub (pre slot divestments, at least...). Enjoy!

In order of # of departures...

DFW

(AA)
ERD: 74
ER4: 172
CR2: 35
CR7: 1
319: 38
M80: 286
738: 133
752: 18
763: 10
777: 9
77W: 2

Total = 778
63.7% mainline

(US)
319: 7
321: 10
752: 2

Total = 19
100% mainline


CLT

(US)
DH1: 22
DH3: 29
CR2: 128
CR7: 49
CR9: 101
E75: 27
734: 30
319: 82
320: 39
321: 114
752: 12
762: 5
332: 5
333: 2

Total = 645
44.8% mainline

(AA)
ER4: 10
CR7: 4
319: 3
M80: 3

Total = 20
30% mainline


ORD

(AA)
ERD: 102
ER4: 106
CR7: 40
E75: 59
M80: 47
738: 88
752: 4
763: 5
777: 4

Total = 455
32.5% mainline

(US)
320: 6
321: 14

Total = 20
100% mainline


PHL

(US)
DH1: 78
DH3: 12
CR2: 127
CR9: 3
E70: 16
E75: 56
E90: 37
734: 1
319: 26
320: 28
321: 35
752: 9
762: 6
332: 9
333: 5

Total = 448
34.8% mainline

(AA)
CR7: 1
E75: 6
M80: 5
738: 4

Total = 16
56.2% mainline


MIA

(AA)
ERD: 11
ER4: 62
738: 151
752: 73
762: 1
763: 23
777: 10
77W: 1

Total = 332
78.0% mainline

(US)
320: 5
321: 6

Total = 11
100% mainline


DCA

(US)
DH1: 7
CR2: 103
E70: 37
E75: 32
319: 54
320: 9
321: 1
752: 1

Total = 244
26.6% mainline

(AA)
ERD: 16
CR7: 6
E75: 4
M80: 4
738: 21

Total = 51
49% mainline


PHX

(US)
CR2: 34
CR9: 52
319: 64
320: 56
321: 48
752: 10

Total = 264
67.4% mainline

(AA)
CR2: 4
M80: 11
738: 6

Total = 21
81% mainline


LAX

(AA)
CR2: 46
CR7: 19
M80: 5
319: 1
321: 8
738: 46
752: 19
762: 2
763: 7
777: 6
77W: 1

Total = 160
59.4% mainline

(US)
319: 1
321: 16

Total = 17
100% mainline


LGA

(AA)
ERD: 15
CR7: 49
M80: 3
738: 41

Total = 108
40.7% mainline

(US)
DH1: 2
CR2: 14
CR9: 1
E70: 1
E75: 4
E90: 16
319: 20
321: 7

Total = 65
66.2% mainline


JFK

(AA)
ERD: 11
ER4: 8
CR7: 8
321: 8
738: 17
752: 15
762: 6
763: 10
777: 4
77W: 3

Total = 90
70% mainline

(US)
319: 1
320: 1
321: 8

Total = 10
100% mainline

Keep in mind that the total number of departures for the combined airline will decrease at DCA and at LGA.

Some impressive hubs in the mix, especially DFW, CLT, and MIA. I personally hope that they base some 319s in MIA soon so there is something to bridge the capacity gap between the ER4 and the 738. That's quite a jump in aircraft gauge!

Some trends that can be seen are the retirement of AA 752s (see DFW and ORD), the retirement of US 734s, and of course the new AA 319s and 321s that are starting to join the fleet. Also, the AA M80s continue to be on the decline everywhere, although they will still be going strong in DFW for quite a while yet. As the M80 fleet diminishes, 738s keep filling in (especially noticeable at ORD, DFW, LAX, and LGA).

The next time I create one of these threads for AA/US, I hope to see some crossfleeting beginning!
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RE: AA/US W14 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:56 pm

Wow! Extremely detailed thread. I do hope they get some 319s at MIA, as like you said, it a big difference in the number of seats. And they will have impressive hubs, with DFW, CLT and ORD the largest hubs by the number of flights.

Thanks for do this.

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RE: AA/US W14 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Sun Dec 29, 2013 12:51 am

As with previous efforts from FSDan, I have taken his research and consolidated them into a Google docs spreadsheet. This includes the UA, DL, and combined AA/US departure data which allows for side-by-side comparison among airlines and hubs.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArIY9mLyD2djdHlmNEtYa0N6NS16OVVraTF4RnVNMVE&usp=sharing
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RE: AA/US W14 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Sun Dec 29, 2013 1:26 am

I didn't know the LAX operation was so small.

Quoting FSDan (Thread starter):
LAX

(AA)
CR2: 46
CR7: 19
M80: 5
319: 1
321: 8
738: 46
752: 19
762: 2
763: 7
777: 6
77W: 1

Total = 160
59.4% mainline

(US)
319: 1
321: 16

Total = 17
100% mainline
 
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RE: AA/US W14 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Sun Dec 29, 2013 1:42 am

Quoting BA744PHX (Reply 3):
I didn't know the LAX operation was so small.

That's in no way "small." It's actually a larger operation today than MIA was in 2002, and it's the lighter winter schedule and pre-JFK shuttle. Though that says a lot about the impressive growth of MIA, which is larger than both PHL and ORD in passenger volume.
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RE: AA/US W14 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Sun Dec 29, 2013 2:38 am

Quoting FSDan (Thread starter):
JFK

(AA)
ERD: 11
ER4: 8
CR7: 8
321: 8
738: 17
752: 15
762: 6
763: 10
777: 4
77W: 3

Total = 90
70% mainline

This one really surprised me.
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RE: AA/US W14 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Sun Dec 29, 2013 3:01 am

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 5):

This one really surprised me.

Not much of a cornerstone hub. I think this number only drops further once integration is completed. Such a shame that AA could not make JFK work.
 
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RE: AA/US W14 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Sun Dec 29, 2013 3:08 am

It's interesting to see how MIA has the highest mainline percentage (of all the carriers you've analised) and, most of all, by far the most wide body departures of any hub in AA's system.
 
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RE: AA/US W14 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Sun Dec 29, 2013 3:09 am

Quoting EricR (Reply 6):
Not much of a cornerstone hub. I think this number only drops further once integration is completed. Such a shame that AA could not make JFK work.

Why would it drop further?

PHL is not replacing JFK.

Plus, it is split hub, JFK+LGA. If form holds, the new AA will have a larger "mainline" presence at LGA than Delta, in total and as a percentage of ops.
 
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RE: AA/US W14 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Sun Dec 29, 2013 4:05 am

Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 8):

Would you need the same amount of connectivity feed if AA uses PHL for that purpose?
 
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RE: AA/US W14 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Sun Dec 29, 2013 5:05 am

Thanks for putting this together. This doesn't include the reduction in DCA/LGA flying following the loss of slots, does it?
 
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RE: AA/US W14 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Sun Dec 29, 2013 5:10 am

Quoting slowrambler (Reply 10):
This doesn't include the reduction in DCA/LGA flying following the loss of slots, does it?

Nope. I'm not sure exactly when the slot divestitures take place, but I'm sure it's after this date.
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RE: AA/US W14 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Sun Dec 29, 2013 5:16 am

First of all, thanks to FSDan for putting this all together.

If find the low numbers for JFK quite perplexing, given the huge amount of money AA spent on the new terminal. Back around the time of the TWA merger AA was the biggest carrier at JFK. Withe the merer, they got around 20-25 slot pairs, and as part of the 2010 deal with JetBlue AA acquired another 12 slot pairs. Has AA actually been utilizing them, or have they leased many of those slots out to other airlines? Is there room for growth at JFK for AA through increased slot utilization?
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RE: AA/US W14 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Sun Dec 29, 2013 7:07 pm

Quoting PHX Flyer (Reply 12):
Is there room for growth at JFK for AA through increased slot utilization?

I'm sure there is. It's probably partially a summer/winter thing. I would be surprised if they didn't go over 100 in the summer. Also, there are times of day (morning, specifically) that are less restricted, and they could always add flights during those times if they wanted to.
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RE: AA/US W14 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Sun Dec 29, 2013 7:18 pm

Quoting FSDan (Thread starter):
LAX

(AA)
CR2: 46
CR7: 19
M80: 5
319: 1
321: 8
738: 46
752: 19
762: 2
763: 7
777: 6
77W: 1

Where's that lone A319 going to from LAX?
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RE: AA/US W14 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Sun Dec 29, 2013 8:02 pm

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 14):

Where's that lone A319 going to from LAX?

Looks like EGE.
 
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RE: AA/US W14 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Sun Dec 29, 2013 11:07 pm

Quoting FSDan (Thread starter):
Some impressive hubs in the mix, especially DFW, CLT, and MIA.

Looking at the lists for DL, AA and UA, there are only two massive mainline operations in the US: ATL and DFW with 500+ daily operations. All other hubs have fewer than 300 mainline departures per day.
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RE: AA/US W14 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Mon Dec 30, 2013 1:14 am

One would assume that there will be some changes in the mainline/RJ mix, as the crossfleeting begins. For instance, all of AA's RJ flying to PHL and CLT out of ORD should disappear, as the combined schedule is created on those hub-to-hub routes. On ORD-PIT, UA was probably carrying a number of US frequent flyer members. AA/US may have to upgauge the CRJ700s and E175s currently on the route.
 
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RE: AA/US W14 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:19 am

Quoting incitatus (Reply 16):
Looking at the lists for DL, AA and UA, there are only two massive mainline operations in the US: ATL and DFW with 500+ daily operations. All other hubs have fewer than 300 mainline departures per day.

I agree about ATL and DFW: ATL doesn't see too many non DL flights (yes I know there is Air Tran/Southwest, but still DL is the dominant carrier in ATL) and DFW doesn't see too many non AA flights. So yes ATL and DFW are the two super mega fortress hubs in the United States, for DL and AA respectively. But I'd like to make two points:

1. ORD: If you combine AA and UA together, that's over 300 mainline departures a day.

2. LAX, MIA and JFK see a lot of major international airlines, ATL and DFW don't. LAX sees a lot of flights to Asia and Australia, MIA sees a lot of flights to Central and South America and JFK sees a lot of flights to Europe, Middle East, India and Africa. So it is normal that you see fewer mainline AA and DL flights there than you see in DFW and ATL, it's a matter of slots allocated by the airport authorities (in New York, it's the Port Authority of NY/NJ).

Thank you FSDan for the comprehensive list of daily departures per hub.

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RE: AA/US W14 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Mon Dec 30, 2013 3:21 am

And to complement FSDan's work, I am adding EWR. I know AA is weak in EWR but it's part of NYC:

AA
M80: 6 (all to DFW)
738: 2 (1 to LAX and 1 to MIA)
757: 2 (both to MIA)
E75: 5 (all to ORD)
CR7: 2 (both to ORD)

US
DH3: 4 (all to PHL)
DH8: 2 (both to PHL)
321: 6 (all to CLT)
320: 5 (2 to CLT and 3 to PHX)
734: 1 (to CLT)

AA and US share the same concourse in Terminal A.
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RE: AA/US W14 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Mon Dec 30, 2013 3:34 am

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 14):
Where's that lone A319 going to from LAX?

DFW? I believe that the A319's are going to start out flying from DFW, that is what I was told by another A-Net member when I posed the question as to where they will initially be based.
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RE: AA/US W14 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Mon Dec 30, 2013 4:21 am

Quoting American 767 (Reply 18):

Come the end of 2014, DFW will have 13 international carriers. While it isn't JFK, MIA, ORD, or LAX, it is the same number as IAH, more than SEA or HNL, and almost twice as many as ATL. It's about right for its size.
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RE: AA/US W14 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Mon Dec 30, 2013 4:47 am

Quoting TPA0822 (Reply 15):
Quoting AA767400 (Reply 14):

Where's that lone A319 going to from LAX?

Looks like EGE.

  

Quoting brilondon (Reply 20):
Quoting AA767400 (Reply 14):
Where's that lone A319 going to from LAX?

DFW? I believe that the A319's are going to start out flying from DFW, that is what I was told by another A-Net member when I posed the question as to where they will initially be based.

It's on LAX-EGE. However, the routing looks like DFW-EGE-LAX-EGE-DFW, so it is still based out of DFW.
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RE: AA/US W14 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Mon Dec 30, 2013 5:13 am

And I'm adding FLL because it's part of the Miami area:

AA
738: 13 (7 to DFW and 6 to ORD, it doesn't look like they fly FLL-LAX anymore, I know they no longer fly FLL-JFK).

US
319: 2 (both to DCA)
320: 8 (2 to PHL, 2 to CLT, 2 to DCA and 2 to PHX)
321: 6 (2 to PHL and 4 to CLT)
757: 1 (to PHL)
734: 3 (all to CLT)
Total: 20 all mainline

AA and US share the same concourse in Terminal 3.

I forgot to add the following result to my EWR data:

AA
Total: 17 including 10 mainline (about 60%).

US
Total: 18 including 12 mainline (66.6%).
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RE: AA/US W14 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Mon Dec 30, 2013 5:30 am

Quoting American 767 (Reply 23):
it doesn't look like they fly FLL-LAX anymore,

it got moved to......RSW or PBI can't remember which.
 
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RE: AA/US W14 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Mon Dec 30, 2013 5:33 am

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 24):
it got moved to......RSW or PBI can't remember which.

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RE: AA/US W14 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Mon Dec 30, 2013 5:41 am

Quoting American 767 (Reply 23):
AA
738: 13 (7 to DFW and 6 to ORD, it doesn't look like they fly FLL-LAX anymore, I know they no longer fly FLL-JFK).

For the NW14 season:
738: 11 (6 DFW, 3 ORD and 2 PAP).

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