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RUMOR: Qatar Airways To Announce LAX

Mon Apr 14, 2014 11:23 pm

A friend of mine at LAX told me today that QR will announce LAX very soon. It is expected to be launched in December of this year on a 777.

As many of us may know, SpeedBirdHD from YouTube. He has also announced it on his Facebook page that Qatar Airways is coming to LAX in December 2014 on board a 777

The news is not official but again a announcement is expected soon.

More updates to come.

Congrats to QR for it's first West Coast destination and LAX for getting the "BIG" ME3.

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Mon Apr 14, 2014 11:28 pm

Quoting Miami (Thread starter):
Congrats to QR for it's first West Coast destination and LAX for getting the ME3!

Actually, ME4   EK, QR, ET, SV. haha I'm really excited for this service and who knows, we might just get up to the ME5 with RJ?

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Mon Apr 14, 2014 11:34 pm

Quoting KLAXAirport (Reply 1):

Ah yes, thank you for the correction.

Quoting KLAXAirport (Reply 1):
ET

You mean EY? Etihad Airways.
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Mon Apr 14, 2014 11:39 pm

Great news! They really are growing fast this year! Where are the 777's being freed up for this route? I assume they will get some after the A380's arrive and the A350. More 787's coming this year too?

I think they are the only strong competition EK will face in the USA, especially with them being a member of *O.

Also is there a TK service to LAX? Maybe we can call it ME5!
 
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Mon Apr 14, 2014 11:49 pm

Ah man i wish QR would have started it this summer, but they will pick up Dec traffic headed to the Subcontinent.
 
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Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:24 am

Quoting wzafar (Reply 3):
I think they are the only strong competition EK will face in the USA

Not in MIA. Lol. Qatar Airways is the only Middle East carrier that is going to serve MIA. At this point. Same goes for PHL.

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Quoting wzafar (Reply 3):
Also is there a TK service to LAX?

yes
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Tue Apr 15, 2014 3:47 am

Quoting Miami (Thread starter):

A friend of mine at LAX told me today that QR will announce LAX very soon. It is expected to be launched in December of this year on a 777.

This completes the final missing link in the chain as far as the BIG 3 presence in LAX goes. I was quite surprised that QR did not come to LAX earlier. Only question though, is the market big enough to support the BIG 3 + TK and SV?
 
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And LY if you are counting....

And Royal Jordanian, but that would be via VIE
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Tue Apr 15, 2014 3:58 am

That is excellent news. My brother just flew to LAX with EK from DOH; it wouldve been great to fly direct though.

Quoting 747megatop (Reply 7):
is the market big enough to support the BIG 3 + TK and SV?

Definetly. LAX is the second largest metropolitan area in the US; the O&D from DOH/GCC is also big, so it will be sellout.

Qatar just opened a consulate in Los Angeles, so this flight is definetly coming!
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Tue Apr 15, 2014 4:22 am

Quoting Miami (Thread starter):
It is expected to be launched in December of this year on a 777.

If it is going to be launced in December then we should be seeing a news release very soon. I will believe this ("rumour" for the lack of a better word) when i see the news release.
 
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Tue Apr 15, 2014 4:47 am

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 9):
the O&D from DOH/GCC is also big,

Hardly. It's ~12 PDEW.
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Tue Apr 15, 2014 5:48 am

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 11):
12 PDEW

12 people????
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Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 12):
Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 11):
12 PDEW

12 people????

12 people per day in each direction, or approximately 8,000 people annually.
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Tue Apr 15, 2014 6:08 am

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 13):

12 people per day in each direction, or approximately 8,000 people annually.

Not that I doubt you, you might be right, but I think the amount of passengers daily is way more; there are tens of thousands of Gulf students studying in California-- and they will mostly have to return back at least once per year. Not to mention the tourists from the GCC, and the business that operate from both ends. LAX is eventually becoming the new LHR for Gulfies in a vacation.
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Tue Apr 15, 2014 6:25 am

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 14):
Not that I doubt you, you might be right, but I think the amount of passengers daily is way more; there are tens of thousands of Gulf students studying in California-- and they will mostly have to return back at least once per year. Not to mention the tourists from the GCC, and the business that operate from both ends. LAX is eventually becoming the new LHR for Gulfies in a vacation.

The number is correct. It's not people from the Gulf, it's just people travelling to and from Doha. Qatar-United States is a very small market.
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Tue Apr 15, 2014 6:45 am

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 15):
The number is correct. It's not people from the Gulf, it's just people travelling to and from Doha. Qatar-United States is a very small market.

Ok now that makes sense. I assumed you meant GCC. Let us not forget that the number of US troops will increase to 10,000 in the coming years. Yes, they can use UA, but they might also use QR to fly directly home. So, perhaps it will increase over time.
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Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:15 pm

Quoting KLAXAirport (Reply 1):
Actually, ME4   EK, QR, ET, SV.

As already noted, TK should be on that last (and EY instead of the typo of ET). This amazes me. I thought EK + TK was too few. But EK, QR, EY, TK, and SV strikes me as one more than the market will sustain...

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 15):
The number is correct. It's not people from the Gulf, it's just people travelling to and from Doha. Qatar-United States is a very small market.

Believable. But it shall grow with a direct. Maybe to 15?     

What is the O&D DXB-LAX?

Actually, to see which competitor is likely to drop, what is the O&D for each of the major ME airlines serving LAX? I just think the number of airlines serving is beyond the market for LAX to the middle east. I would like to be wrong...

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Tue Apr 15, 2014 2:10 pm

Quoting timpdx (Reply 8):
And LY if you are counting.

LY is a bit of a different game, that is much much more O+D to TLV. LY is not chasing those wanting to go to central+south asia or Oceania as the big three are after. It will be an incredibly long time until you see EY, EK, QR fly to TLV
 
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Tue Apr 15, 2014 2:16 pm

Quoting ORDJOE (Reply 18):

LY is a bit of a different game, that is much much more O+D to TLV. LY is not chasing those wanting to go to central+south asia or Oceania as the big three are after. It will be an incredibly long time until you see EY, EK, QR fly to TLV

Out of LAX, I don't think the ME3 is really chasing Oceania traffic. LAX-DOH-PER is nearly 4700mi longer than LAX-BNE-PER. Only an extremely price sensitive customer would want to sit in coach for that much longer.
 
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Tue Apr 15, 2014 3:47 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 17):
Believable. But it shall grow with a direct. Maybe to 15?

It'll probably triple in local market size, which is about what IAHDOH has done.
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Tue Apr 15, 2014 4:05 pm

Quoting ORDJOE (Reply 18):
It will be an incredibly long time until you see EY, EK, QR fly to TLV

On the other hand, TK does fly to TLV from IST: 7 times per day on week-days (Su to Th).
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Quoting lightsaber (Reply 17):
I thought EK + TK was too few. But EK, QR, EY, TK, and SV strikes me as one more than the market will sustain...

Granted SV is only 3 weekly, and i haven't done a proper count, but that's roughly 1500+ seats a day to and from the Middle East. Overkill !

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Tue Apr 15, 2014 4:36 pm

Amazing that in a few short years LAX has been able to absorb so many ME carriers! I wonder if any of them are making money?
 
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Quoting ORDJOE (Reply 18):
It will be an incredibly long time until you see EY, EK, QR fly to TLV

Although it would be karma to put them at adjacent gates at TBIT.

We had a "golden tow bar" with LY and RJ once at ORD and you would have thought we went to DEFCON 3 because of it. Some people simply have no sense of humor.
 
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Tue Apr 15, 2014 4:59 pm

Quoting sfoa380 (Reply 23):

Amazing that in a few short years LAX has been able to absorb so many ME carriers! I wonder if any of them are making money?

...not to forget that the European carriers are also still around with double daily flagship flights (LH, BA, AF) and the ones going just daily (KL, AZ, IB). They carry a considerably high amount of connecting passengers to the Gulf and beyond as well.
 
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Tue Apr 15, 2014 6:41 pm

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 20):
It'll probably triple in local market size, which is about what IAHDOH has done.

Thank you. Both for the facts and tolerating my joke.  

36 per day isn't enough to make QR 'tough to knock out of the market.' Except... how much will AA feed QR at LAX? That could be the 'tie breaker' in QR's benefit feeding Western USA to a Mid-East hub... (Yes, double hubbing, but many city pairs still have no choice over such distances.)

So it begs how the O&D is for SV?

My 'armchair CEO' predictions:
1. EK is established and has A380 economics. They'll grow.
2. TK is established and has a shorter run to their hub by ~1,250nm which is benefit (per great circle mapper). Very likely to grow once the new IST is built. (Gauge before then?)
3. EY will eventually have the advantage of 9W connecting to India. I say eventually due to the code share limitations with India (does it really effect EY? I believe so, but I shall ask.)
4. QR has more connections than EY, but is weak versus TK and EK. Their O&D is a bit low. In my opinion they will need OneWorld loyalty to make this work. It might be a 788 is all that works...
5. SV is going to struggle due to the 'connection experience' and lack of frequency. I'm not sure how much their Skyteam connection will help overcome that... I think SV is more likely than not to be the one knocked out of LAX by the competition.

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 22):
Granted SV is only 3 weekly, and i haven't done a proper count, but that's roughly 1500+ seats a day to and from the Middle East. Overkill !

I think the growth is too high. LAX is a major gateway, but it isn't NYC. I see more value for some of the participants switching routes to EWR vs. LAX. Certainly QR is being wise to start PHL and MIA first.

Quoting sfoa380 (Reply 23):
Amazing that in a few short years LAX has been able to absorb so many ME carriers! I wonder if any of them are making money?

At LAX to their hubs:

I think EK and TK are profitable. SV just started and will soon have to face competition with better 'hubbing experiences.'

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 25):
not to forget that the European carriers are also still around with double daily flagship flights (LH, BA, AF) and the ones going just daily (KL, AZ, IB). They carry a considerably high amount of connecting passengers to the Gulf and beyond as well.

   That makes it tough for all but the most competitive offerings. However... the European hubs are not expanding as the mid-east hubs are and that means new mid-east destinations will naturally flow to them. e.g., look at all the new airports operating in Iraq and Afghanistan. While not a huge amount of traffic, the European carriers are not going into the secondary cities.

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Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:20 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 26):
. TK is established and has a shorter run to their hub by ~1,250nm which is benefit (per great circle mapper). Very likely to grow once the new IST is built. (Gauge before then?)

the majority of TK pax (...and I mean big amounts) connect to IKA and TLV.
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Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:34 pm

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 15):
The number is correct. It's not people from the Gulf, it's just people travelling to and from Doha. Qatar-United States is a very small market.
Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 16):
Ok now that makes sense. I assumed you meant GCC. Let us not forget that the number of US troops will increase to 10,000 in the coming years. Yes, they can use UA, but they might also use QR to fly directly home. So, perhaps it will increase over time.

I went to DOH as a tourist earlier this year and LOVED it. I flew UA/LH one way and then stopped in DXB on the way home, taking UA the whole way. While the PDEW is low today, I do not predict that will stay that way. Qatar is growing by leaps and bounds. It is a wonderful place. I would encourage anyone to go visit. Maybe if I keep spreading the good word, I can at least get that number to 13 or 14, haha.

In all seriousness, if there are 12 (!) people a day flying between the US and DOH, how has UA supported a flight there for years. QR also flies to IAH (my home airport) and other US gateways. That may be mostly connecting traffic, but I find that number shockingly low. Maybe its because I'm here in the oil world...
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Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:39 pm

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 28):
In all seriousness, if there are 12 (!) people a day flying between the US and DOH, how has UA supported a flight there for years.

From what I understood, 12 PDEW is local only from LAX to DOH, not the US to DOH. Dont know what GCC means, so can't be sure.

Also, UA started DOH on 30 April 2012. And via DXB at that, with 5th freedom rights. That should answer your question.

Maybe you were thinking of KWI, as yes, UA has been flying there for years, and making money at it too, but that is entirely different. Military contracts keep that flight well in the black !

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Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 29):
Dont know what GCC means, so can't be sure.

GCC refers to the Gulf Cooperation Council. Essentially an economic union of Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Saudi, Oman and the UAE.
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Quoting stylo777 (Reply 27):
the majority of TK pax (...and I mean big amounts) connect to IKA and TLV.

Interesting admixture of passengers indeed! Do they seat them in separate areas of the plane? Just joking.
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