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OAG Changes 8/8/2014: AA/DL/BIG UA Changes

Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:34 pm

FAQ

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Flights that do not operate every day of the month create fractional service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. For example, if a flight operates 4 times in April it will show 4/30=0.133=0.1. Also , a flight that only operates once per week may vary between 0.1 and 0.2 because a weekday may repeat either 4 or 5 times depending on the month.

WHAT ABOUT CARRIERS THAT DON'T PUBLISH A SCHEDULE 9 MONTHS IN ADVANCE?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. I remove the schedule adds if I see them and show a year over year (YOY) comparison if I notice them.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE SKYWEST
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THIS LOOKS LIKE AN ERROR?
The carriers file the schedules. They do make mistakes. Most of the mistakes I have seen are either related to code shares not being marked as "duplicates" or carriers filing flights with invalid data such as equipment codes that are not standard. This causes flights to not appear.

CHARTERS?
Lately charters have been showing up in the database. I have no idea if that will continue.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

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NOTE:
Because of database problems last week, this week combines last week and this week to make sure nothing was missed. So there will be duplicates with last week.
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3M PBI-ELH SEP 0.3>0 OCT 0.5>0
3M PBI-MHH SEP 0.5>0.3 OCT 0.6>0.3

*4B CVN-DFW SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3 NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3 JAN 0>3 FEB 0>3 MAR 0>3 APR 0>3

9K ACK-HPN OCT 0.4>0.2
9K HPN-HYA SEP 0.3>0.2 OCT 0.2>0.1
9K HPN-PVC SEP 0.7>0.2

*AA DFW-CCS SEP 0.1>0 OCT 0.1>0 NOV 0.2>0 DEC 0.1>0 JAN 0.2>0 FEB 0.1>0 MAR 0.1>0 APR 0.1>0
AA DFW-ICN MAR 1.0>0.9
AA JAX-PHL OCT 0>1.0
*AA JFK-CCS SEP 0.7>0 OCT 0.7>0 NOV 0.7>0 DEC 0.7>0 JAN 0.7>0 FEB 0.7>0 MAR 0.7>0 APR 0.7>0
AA JFK-SJU SEP 2>1.1 OCT 2>1.0
AA JFK-SKB SEP 0.1>0 OCT 0.1>0
AA LAX-PVG DEC 1.0>0.9
AA LGA-RIC OCT 3>1.9
AA LGA-YYZ NOV 9>6 DEC 9>6 JAN 9>6 FEB 9>6 MAR 9>6 APR 9>6
*AA MIA-CAP OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0
AA MIA-CCS SEP 4>1.1 OCT 4>1.1 NOV 4>1.2 DEC 4>1.1 JAN 4>1.2 FEB 4>1.1 MAR 4>1.1 APR 4>1.1
AA MIA-LHR NOV 2>3 DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 2>3 MAR 2>3
AA MIA-LIR SEP 1.0>0.9 OCT 1.0>0.9
*AA MIA-MAR SEP 1.0>0.3 OCT 1.0>0.3 NOV 1.0>0.3 DEC 1.0>0.3 JAN 1.0>0.3 FEB 1.0>0.3 MAR 1.0>0.3 APR 1.0>0.3
AA MSY-PHL OCT 0>1.0
AA ORD-PEK DEC 1.0>0.9 JAN 1.0>0.8 FEB 1.0>0.8 MAR 1.0>0.9
AA ORD-PVG NOV 1.0>0.8 DEC 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.8

AC FLL-YHZ DEC 0.2>0.1 JAN 0.3>0.1
AC FLL-YUL MAR 5>6
AC FLL-YYZ MAR 5>6
AC MCO-YHZ DEC 0.3>0.2
AC MCO-YOW DEC 0.4>0.3
AC MCO-YYZ JAN 5>4 APR 6>5
AC SFO-YUL NOV 1.0>0.7

AM DEN-MEX JAN 0.9>1.1
AM IAH-MEX DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 FEB 4>5 MAR 4>5 APR 4>5
AM LAX-MEX DEC 5>6 JAN 5>6
AM MIA-MEX OCT 3>4 NOV 3>4
AM ORD-MEX NOV 2>3
AM PHX-HMO SEP 1.0>0.0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0

AV DFW-SAL APR 0.9>0.7
AV LAX-SAL APR 4>3
AV MIA-SAL APR 2>1.0

AZ JFK-FCO NOV 2>3
AZ MIA-FCO NOV 1.0>0.9 DEC 1.0>0.8 JAN 1.0>0.9 MAR 1.0>0.9

*B6 JFK-CUR DEC 0>0.3 JAN 0>0.3 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.3 APR 0>0.3

BA IAH-LHR FEB 1.8>1.6
BA JFK-LHR NOV 9>8 DEC 9>8 JAN 9>8 FEB 9>8 MAR 9>8
BA MCO-LGW NOV 1.4>1.3
BA PHL-LHR FEB 1.9>1.8

CM MIA-PTY DEC 5>6 JAN 5>6 FEB 5>6
CM TPA-PTY NOV 0.6>0.8 DEC 0.6>1.0

*DL ATL-CDG NOV 3>1.6 DEC 2>1.6
DL ATL-CHA JAN 9>8 FEB 9>8
DL ATL-COS DEC 1.4>1.0
DL ATL-CUN SEP 5>4
*DL ATL-DUB OCT 0.7>0.6 NOV 0.7>0 DEC 0.7>0
DL ATL-FCO NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7
DL ATL-FPO APR 1.0>0.7
DL ATL-GCM OCT 1.0>0.8
DL ATL-GRU OCT 2.0>1.8 NOV 2>1.7 DEC 2>1.8 FEB 2>1.7
DL ATL-JAX JAN 11>10
DL ATL-KIN JAN 1.0>0.8 FEB 1.0>0.9 APR 1.0>0.9
DL ATL-LAS JAN 9>8
DL ATL-LFT JAN 4>3
DL ATL-LIR MAR 2>1.1 APR 1.2>1.0
DL ATL-MAN NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7
DL ATL-MBJ SEP 4>3
DL ATL-MCO JAN 15>16
DL ATL-MEX OCT 6>5
DL ATL-NAS JAN 5>4 FEB 5>4
DL ATL-OAK DEC 0.4>0.2
DL ATL-PUJ JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3
DL ATL-PVR NOV 0.9>0.6 DEC 0.9>0.7
DL ATL-SAV JAN 9>8
DL ATL-SJD NOV 0.9>0.6 DEC 0.9>0.7
DL ATL-TPA JAN 15>14
DL ATL-TYS JAN 7>8 FEB 7>8 MAR 7>8 APR 7>8
DL BIS-MSP NOV 7>6 DEC 7>6
DL BOS-MSP JAN 5>6
DL CVG-CDG NOV 1.0>0.9 DEC 1.0>0.8
DL DTW-ATL JAN 10>11
*DL DTW-CAE OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.8>0 DEC 0.9>0 JAN 0.8>0 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 0.9>0 APR 0.9>0
DL DTW-CUN APR 2>1.3
DL DTW-CVG JAN 6>5
DL DTW-GRR JAN 7>6
DL DTW-IND DEC 7>6
DL DTW-MDT JAN 4>3
DL DTW-NGO APR 1.0>0.7
DL DTW-ORF NOV 4>3 MAR 4>3 APR 4>3
DL DTW-SJD APR 0.2>0.1
*DL DTW-XNA OCT 0.7>0 JAN 0.7>0 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 0.9>0
DL IDA-MSP DEC 0.2>0.1
DL JFK-ACC OCT 0.8>0.7 NOV 0.9>0.7 DEC 0.8>0.7
DL JFK-BDA SEP 1.0>0.7 OCT 1.0>0.7 NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.7 MAR 1.0>0.7 APR 1.0>0.7
DL JFK-DKR APR 0.3>0.4
DL JFK-LAS JAN 4>5
DL JFK-PAP SEP 1.0>0.9 OCT 1.0>0.9 NOV 1.0>0.8
DL JFK-PUJ APR 1.1>1.0
DL JFK-SDQ FEB 5>4 MAR 5>4
DL JFK-STI FEB 5>4 MAR 5>4
DL JFK-SVO OCT 1.0>0.8 NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7
DL LAS-MCO OCT 0.4>0.3
*DL LAX-ZLO DEC 0>0.2 JAN 0>0.5 FEB 0>0.4 MAR 0>0.4 APR 0>0.2
DL LGA-ATL JAN 16>17
DL LGA-BTV JAN 3>4
DL LGA-MHT JAN 1.8>3
DL MSN-MSP JAN 6>5
DL MSP-CUN APR 1.5>0.7
DL MSP-PVR APR 1.0>0.3
DL MSP-SFO JAN 4>5
DL MSP-SJD APR 0.3>0.2
DL MSP-ZLO FEB 0>0.1 MAR 0>0.1
Weird...Does it switch to AF in April?
*DL ORD-CDG MAR 0.9>0.8 APR 1.0>0
DL SEA-CDG NOV 0.9>0.7 DEC 0.9>0.7
DL SLC-BIL OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3 DEC 5>4
DL SLC-BOS DEC 1.8>1.3
DL SLC-CPR OCT 1.9>3
DL SLC-EWR DEC 1.3>0.9
*DL SLC-MEX DEC 0>0.4 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0
DL SLC-MIA DEC 0.4>0.2 JAN 0.1>0.0
DL SLC-PHL DEC 1.3>0.9
DL SLC-RKS OCT 2>1.0 NOV 2>1.0 DEC 2>1.0
DL SLC-TPA DEC 0.4>0.2 JAN 0.1>0.0

G4 ABE-PIE JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 ATW-SFB JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 AVL-FLL JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 AVL-PIE JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 AVL-SFB JAN 0.7>0.3 FEB 0.7>0.3 MAR 0.7>0.3 APR 0.7>0.3
G4 AZA-BIL JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 AZA-BLI JAN 0.8>0.5 FEB 0.9>0.4 MAR 0.9>0.4 APR 0.8>0.4
G4 AZA-BZN JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3
G4 AZA-CID JAN 0.7>0.5 FEB 0.7>0.4 MAR 0.7>0.4 APR 0.7>0.4
G4 AZA-GFK JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 AZA-GRI JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 AZA-GTF JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 AZA-ICT JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 AZA-IDA JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.5>0.3
G4 AZA-MLI JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.5>0.3
G4 AZA-MOT JAN 0.9>0.3 FEB 0.9>0.3 MAR 0.9>0.3 APR 0.8>0.3
G4 AZA-MSO JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 AZA-OAK JAN 0.7>0.4 FEB 0.7>0.4 MAR 0.7>0.4 APR 0.7>0.4
G4 AZA-OGD JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 AZA-PIA JAN 0.7>0.4 FEB 0.7>0.3 MAR 0.7>0.3 APR 0.7>0.3
G4 AZA-PSC JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3
G4 AZA-RAP JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 AZA-RFD JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.5>0.3
G4 BGR-PIE JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3
G4 BGR-SFB JAN 0.7>0.5 FEB 0.7>0.4 MAR 0.7>0.4 APR 0.7>0.4
G4 BIL-LAS JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 BIS-SFB JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3
G4 BLI-LAX JAN 0.7>0.3 FEB 0.7>0.3 MAR 0.7>0.3 APR 0.7>0.3
G4 BLI-PSP JAN 0.8>0.5 FEB 0.9>0.4 MAR 0.9>0.4 APR 0.8>0.4
G4 BLV-SFB FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3
G4 BMI-SFB JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 CHA-PIE JAN 0.5>0.1
G4 CHA-SFB JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 CID-LAS FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3
G4 CID-PGD JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 CID-PIE JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 CID-SFB JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3
G4 COS-LAS FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3
G4 DSM-PIE JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3
G4 DSM-SFB JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 ELM-PIE FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3
G4 ELM-SFB JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 EUG-LAS JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3
G4 EUG-LAX JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3
G4 EUG-OAK JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 FAR-PIE JAN 0.3>0.2 FEB 0.3>0.1 MAR 0.3>0.1 APR 0.3>0.1
G4 FAR-SFB JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 FLL-PBG JAN 1.3>0.6 FEB 1.3>0.3 MAR 1.3>0.3 APR 1.3>0.3
G4 FLL-TYS FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3
G4 FSD-SFB JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 FWA-PGD JAN 0.6>0.4 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 FWA-PIE MAR 0.6>0.4
G4 FWA-SFB JAN 0.7>0.3 FEB 0.7>0.3 MAR 0.7>0.3 APR 0.7>0.3
G4 GFK-LAS JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 GFK-SFB JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 GRI-LAS JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 GRR-SFB JAN 0.7>0.4 FEB 0.7>0.3 MAR 0.7>0.3 APR 0.7>0.3
G4 GSO-PIE JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 Top
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/8/2014: AA/DL/BIG UA Changes

Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:36 pm

G4 GSO-PIE JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3
G4 GSO-SFB JAN 0.7>0.3 FEB 0.7>0.3 MAR 0.7>0.3 APR 0.7>0.3
G4 GSP-SFB JAN 0.6>0.4 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 GTF-LAS JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 HGR-SFB JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 HNL-LAX JAN 1.2>0.8 FEB 1.1>0.7 MAR 1.1>0.7 APR 1.1>0.7
G4 HTS-PIE JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3
G4 HTS-SFB JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 IAG-PGD JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 IAG-PIE JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 IAG-SFB JAN 1.0>0.6 FEB 1.0>0.6 MAR 1.0>0.5 APR 1.0>0.6
G4 ICT-LAS JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 LAN-SFB JAN 0.3>0.1
G4 LAS-LRD JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 LAS-MSO JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 LAS-PIA JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 LAS-PSC JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 LAS-SCK JAN 1.3>0.9 FEB 1.3>0.9 MAR 1.3>0.9 APR 1.3>0.8
G4 LCK-PIE FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3
G4 LCK-SFB JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 LEX-PGD JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 LEX-PIE JAN 0.6>0.4 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 LEX-SFB JAN 1.3>0.6 FEB 1.3>0.6 MAR 1.3>0.6 APR 1.3>0.6
G4 LIT-SFB JAN 0.3>0.1
G4 MDT-PIE JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 MFE-SFB JAN 0.4>0.2
G4 MLI-PGD JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3
G4 MLI-PIE JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3
G4 MLI-SFB JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.5>0.3
G4 OAK-PVU JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 OWB-SFB JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 PBG-PIE JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 PBG-SFB JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 PGD-PIA JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 PGD-RFD FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.5>0.3
G4 PGD-SBN JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 PGD-SPI JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.5>0.3
G4 PGD-TOL JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 PGD-TYS JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 PGD-YNG JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 PIA-PIE JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 PIE-RFD JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3
G4 PIE-ROA JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 PIE-SBN JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 PIE-SYR JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 PIE-TOL JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3
G4 PIE-TRI JAN 0.4>0.1
G4 PIE-TYS JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 PIE-YNG JAN 0.7>0.3 FEB 0.7>0.3 MAR 0.7>0.3 APR 0.7>0.3
G4 ROA-SFB JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3
G4 SBN-SFB JAN 0.7>0.3 FEB 0.7>0.3 MAR 0.7>0.3 APR 0.7>0.3
G4 SFB-SGF JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 SFB-TOL JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 SFB-TRI JAN 0.7>0.3 FEB 0.7>0.3 MAR 0.7>0.3 APR 0.7>0.3
G4 SFB-TUL JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 SFB-TYS JAN 0.8>0.6 FEB 0.9>0.6 MAR 0.9>0.5 APR 0.9>0.6
G4 SFB-XNA JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3 MAR 0.6>0.3 APR 0.6>0.3
G4 SFB-YNG FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3

HU BOS-PEK DEC 0.6>0.7
HU SEA-PEK OCT 0.6>0.7 NOV 0.6>0.7 DEC 0.5>0.7 JAN 0.6>0.8 FEB 0.4>0.5 MAR 0.5>0.7

IB JFK-MAD NOV 2>1.9 DEC 2>1.8
IB MIA-MAD SEP 2>1.8
IB ORD-MAD NOV 1.0>0.9 DEC 1.0>0.8 JAN 1.0>0.9

K5 BUR-IPL JAN 0>1.7 FEB 0>1.7 MAR 0>1.7 APR 0>1.7
K5 BUR-SAN OCT 0>4 NOV 0>4 DEC 0>4 JAN 0>4 FEB 0>4 MAR 0>4 APR 0>4
K5 DAL-ELD JAN 0>1.7 FEB 0>1.7 MAR 0>1.7 APR 0>1.7
K5 ELD-HOT JAN 0>1.7 FEB 0>1.7 MAR 0>1.7 APR 0>1.7
K5 GBD-ICT JAN 0.9>1.7 FEB 0.9>1.7 MAR 0.8>1.7 APR 0.9>1.7
K5 HOT-MEM JAN 0>1.7 FEB 0>1.7 MAR 0>1.7 APR 0>1.7
K5 HRO-MCI JAN 0>0.8 FEB 0>0.9 MAR 0>0.9 APR 0>0.9
K5 HRO-MEM JAN 0>1.5 FEB 0>1.6 MAR 0>1.6 APR 0>1.6
K5 IPL-SAN JAN 0>1.7 FEB 0>1.7 MAR 0>1.7 APR 0>1.7
K5 MCI-SLN JAN 0>3 FEB 0>3 MAR 0>3 APR 0>3
K5 OTH-PDX JAN 0>3 FEB 0>3 MAR 0>3 APR 0>3
K5 PDT-PDX JAN 0>4 FEB 0>4 MAR 0>4 APR 0>4

KL JFK-AMS APR 3>2

KS ANC-UNK OCT 0.8>0.6 NOV 0.8>0.6 DEC 0.8>0.6 JAN 0.8>0.5 FEB 0.9>0.6 MAR 0.9>0.6 APR 0.8>0.6

*NK ATL-DTW NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0
*NK ATL-ORD NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0
*NK DTW-MSY NOV 0>0.8 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0
*NK MSY-ORD NOV 0>0.8 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0

*OR MIA-BRU NOV 0>0.1 DEC 0>0.2 JAN 0>0.1 FEB 0>0.1 MAR 0>0.1
*OR SFB-AMS NOV 0>0.1 DEC 0>0.1 JAN 0>0.2 FEB 0>0.1 MAR 0>0.1

PD MYR-YTZ MAR 0>0.8

PR HNL-MNL SEP 0.7>0.6 OCT 0.8>0.6 NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.9

SE JFK-CDG DEC 0>0.2

SY DCA-LAN JAN 0.1>0.8 FEB 0>0.9 MAR 0>0.9 APR 0>0.9
SY DCA-MSP JAN 0.1>0.8 FEB 0>0.9 MAR 0>0.9 APR 0>0.9
SY LAN-MSP JAN 0.1>0.8 FEB 0>0.9 MAR 0>0.9 APR 0>0.9

TK SFO-IST APR 0>0.4

*UA AUS-CUN MAR 0>0.3 APR 0.1>0.3
UA CLE-BOS DEC 4>3
UA CLE-DFW DEC 1.6>0.9
UA CLE-MKE DEC 3>1.8
UA CLE-STL DEC 1.6>0.9
UA DEN-BZN NOV 4>5
UA DEN-DFW NOV 5>6
UA DEN-LBB NOV 1.8>3
UA DEN-PHX NOV 4>5
*UA DEN-PIA JAN 0.8>0.1 FEB 0.9>0
UA DEN-SAN NOV 4>3
UA DEN-SAT NOV 3>4
UA EWR-BTV NOV 4>3
*UA EWR-DSM JAN 0.7>0.1 FEB 0.8>0
UA EWR-GRR NOV 3>1.8
UA EWR-LAS NOV 7>6
UA EWR-MSN DEC 0.9>1.9 JAN 0.9>1.9 FEB 0.9>1.9 MAR 1.0>2 APR 1.0>2
*UA EWR-OKC JAN 0.9>0.2 FEB 0.9>0
UA EWR-PVD NOV 4>3
*UA EWR-SAT JAN 0.8>0.1 FEB 0.9>0
*UA EWR-TUL JAN 0.8>0.1 FEB 0.9>0
UA IAD-BOS DEC 5>4
UA IAD-CAE DEC 4>3
UA IAD-CHO DEC 4>3
UA IAD-CHS DEC 4>3
UA IAD-CLE DEC 5>4
UA IAD-CRW DEC 4>3
UA IAD-DAY DEC 4>3
UA IAD-DEN DEC 8>7
UA IAD-GSO DEC 3>1.9
UA IAD-HSV DEC 1.5>0.5
UA IAD-LAS DEC 1.9>1.0
UA IAD-LGA NOV 5>4 DEC 5>4
UA IAD-MSP DEC 1.9>1.1
*UA IAD-PDX JAN 0.9>0.2 FEB 1.0>0
UA IAD-PVD NOV 3>2.0
*UA IAD-PWM DEC 1.9>1.0 JAN 1.2>0.2 FEB 1.6>0
UA IAD-ROA DEC 1.9>1.1
UA IAD-ROC DEC 4>3
UA IAD-SCE DEC 4>3
UA IAD-SMF JAN 0.9>0.2 FEB 0.9>0.5
UA IAD-STL DEC 5>4
*UA IAD-TUL JAN 1.0>0.2 FEB 0.9>0
UA IAD-YYZ NOV 6>5 DEC 6>4
UA IAH-ASE MAR 3>4
UA IAH-ATL DEC 8>7
UA IAH-BTR DEC 9>7
*UA IAH-GJT JAN 0.9>0.2 FEB 1.0>0
UA IAH-ICT NOV 4>5
UA IAH-LFT DEC 9>7
UA IAH-MEX NOV 8>9
*UA IAH-NAS DEC 0>0.4 JAN 0>0.4 FEB 0>0.4 MAR 0>1.2 APR 0>1.3
UA IAH-SAV NOV 2>1.1
UA IAH-SMF DEC 3>1.5
UA IAH-TUL NOV 9>8 DEC 9>8
*UA IAH-YUL JAN 1.0>0.1 FEB 1.0>0.6
*UA LAX-ABQ JAN 1.0>0.2 FEB 1.0>0
UA LAX-BOI DEC 1.8>3
*UA LAX-BOS DEC 1.4>1.0 JAN 1.2>0.2 FEB 1.0>0.6
*UA LAX-BWI JAN 0.9>0.2 FEB 0.9>0
UA LAX-ITO JAN 0.8>0.4
UA LAX-LAS DEC 5>4
UA LAX-SBA NOV 6>5 DEC 6>5
UA LAX-SMF DEC 3>2.0
UA LAX-SMX DEC 4>3
UA LAX-TUS DEC 1.9>1.0
UA ORD-ALB NOV 4>3
UA ORD-BRU NOV 0.8>0.6
UA ORD-BWI NOV 6>5
UA ORD-CAE NOV 3>1.8
UA ORD-DCA NOV 14>13
UA ORD-EWR NOV 15>14
*UA ORD-FOE SEP 1.9>0.1 OCT 1.9>0 NOV 1.8>0 DEC 1.9>0 JAN 1.8>0 FEB 1.9>0 MAR 2>0 APR 1.9>0
UA ORD-HSV JAN 0.9>0.2 FEB 1.0>0.6
UA ORD-IND OCT 12>13
UA ORD-MTJ JAN 0.3>1.0
UA ORD-ROC NOV 4>3
*UA ORD-YHZ JAN 1.0>0.1 FEB 1.0>0.6
*UA ORD-YQB JAN 1.0>0.1 FEB 1.0>0.6
*UA ORD-YQR JAN 0.9>0.1 FEB 1.0>0.6
*UA ORD-YXE JAN 0.9>0.1 FEB 1.0>0.6
UA ORD-YYZ NOV 7>6
*UA SAT-CUN MAR 0>0.3 APR 0>0.3
UA SFO-BOS DEC 7>6
*UA SFO-BWI JAN 1.0>0.2 FEB 1.0>0.6
UA SFO-CDG NOV 0.9>0.7
*UA SFO-COS JAN 1.0>0.2 FEB 1.0>0
UA SFO-DEN DEC 9>10
UA SFO-EWR NOV 13>12
*UA SFO-GDL SEP 1.0>0.7 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 0.9>0 APR 1.0>0
UA SFO-IAD DEC 10>9
UA SFO-IAH DEC 10>11
UA SFO-JFK NOV 8>7
UA SFO-LAS DEC 10>8
UA SFO-LAX NOV 14>13 DEC 14>13
UA SFO-MCO DEC 2>3
UA SFO-PDX DEC 9>8
*UA SFO-PIT JAN 0.9>0.2 FEB 0.9>0
UA SFO-PSC DEC 1.9>1.1
UA SFO-PSP DEC 5>6
UA SFO-SAN DEC 9>8
UA SFO-SEA NOV 11>9
UA SFO-TUS DEC 1.1>3
US CLT-FRA SEP 1.9>1.3
US DCA-PNS NOV 0.4>0.3
US LAX-RNO NOV 3>1.8 DEC 3>1.7 JAN 3>1.7 FEB 3>1.7 MAR 3>1.7 APR 3>1.7
US PHL-LGA NOV 13>10 DEC 14>10 JAN 13>10 FEB 13>10 MAR 14>10 APR 13>10
US PHL-TLV SEP 2>1.0
US PHL-VCE NOV 0.6>0.4

VA LAX-BNE NOV 0.6>1.0 DEC 0.6>1.0 JAN 0.6>1.0 FEB 0.6>1.0 MAR 0.5>1.0 APR 0.6>1.0
*VA LAX-MEL NOV 0.4>0 DEC 0.4>0 JAN 0.4>0 FEB 0.4>0 MAR 0.5>0 APR 0.4>0

VX IAD-SFO MAR 3>1.9
VX LAX-Top
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/8/2014: AA/DL/BIG UA Changes

Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:45 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
KL JFK-AMS APR 3>2

DL is re-instating JFK-AMS APR 1>2

Overall DL/KL remains 4x/daily = 2xDL and 2x KL
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/8/2014: AA/DL/BIG UA Changes

Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:01 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
*UA EWR-SAT JAN 0.8>0.1 FEB 0.9>0
*UA EWR-TUL JAN 0.8>0.1 FEB 0.9>0
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
*UA LAX-ABQ JAN 1.0>0.2 FEB 1.0>0
*UA LAX-BOS DEC 1.4>1.0 JAN 1.2>0.2 FEB 1.0>0.6
*UA LAX-BWI JAN 0.9>0.2 FEB 0.9>0
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
*UA IAD-PDX JAN 0.9>0.2 FEB 1.0>0
*UA IAD-PWM DEC 1.9>1.0 JAN 1.2>0.2 FEB 1.6>0
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
*UA SFO-PIT JAN 0.9>0.2 FEB 0.9>0

I hope these are all filing errors.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/8/2014: AA/DL/BIG UA Changes

Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:05 pm

Quoting Jetblue1965 (Reply 3):
I hope these are all filing errors.

I doubt it. Given UA's abysmal performance this past winter and the drawdown of RJ's, I think UA is going to cut capacity deeper this winter. I think the only real question is whether these routes return in the Spring. Some of them probably will, others may not.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/8/2014: AA/DL/BIG UA Changes

Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:08 pm

Quoting Jetblue1965 (Reply 3):

It wouldn't shock me if they're not. UA seems to be embracing the "shrink to profitability" method.
The views I express are my own and do not reflect the views and opinions of my company.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/8/2014: AA/DL/BIG UA Changes

Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:08 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
*UA DEN-PIA JAN 0.8>0.1 FEB 0.9>0

I hope this is an error. PIA has been doing quite well with pax numbers this year.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/8/2014: AA/DL/BIG UA Changes

Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:10 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA DFW-ICN MAR 1.0>0.9
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA LAX-PVG DEC 1.0>0.9
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA ORD-PEK DEC 1.0>0.9 JAN 1.0>0.8 FEB 1.0>0.8 MAR 1.0>0.9
AA ORD-PVG NOV 1.0>0.8 DEC 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.8

AA continues to struggle with Asia. I'm still suprised that AA does not operate ORD-NRT daily with both being OW hubs.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/8/2014: AA/DL/BIG UA Changes

Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:11 pm

Quoting Jetblue1965 (Reply 3):
I hope these are all filing errors.
Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 4):
Quoting Jetblue1965 (Reply 3):
I doubt it

Those all seem like marginal routes so I doubt it. Plus, I think there was media on IAD-PWM already.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 4):
I think the only real question is whether these routes return in the Spring.

My guess is that most don't. Have you seen how many RJs they are losing? I don't think they will do like DL and upgauge in high frequency markets. UA doesn't have high frequency RJ markets to the extent DL does.

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 5):
It wouldn't shock me if they're not. UA seems to be embracing the "shrink to profitability" method.

In Winter.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/8/2014: AA/DL/BIG UA Changes

Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:15 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
UA IAD-BOS DEC 5>4
UA IAD-CAE DEC 4>3
UA IAD-CHO DEC 4>3
UA IAD-CHS DEC 4>3
UA IAD-CLE DEC 5>4
UA IAD-CRW DEC 4>3
UA IAD-DAY DEC 4>3
UA IAD-DEN DEC 8>7
UA IAD-GSO DEC 3>1.9
UA IAD-HSV DEC 1.5>0.5
UA IAD-LAS DEC 1.9>1.0
UA IAD-LGA NOV 5>4 DEC 5>4
UA IAD-MSP DEC 1.9>1.1
*UA IAD-PDX JAN 0.9>0.2 FEB 1.0>0
UA IAD-PVD NOV 3>2.0
*UA IAD-PWM DEC 1.9>1.0 JAN 1.2>0.2 FEB 1.6>0
UA IAD-ROA DEC 1.9>1.1
UA IAD-ROC DEC 4>3
UA IAD-SCE DEC 4>3
UA IAD-SMF JAN 0.9>0.2 FEB 0.9>0.5
UA IAD-STL DEC 5>4
*UA IAD-TUL JAN 1.0>0.2 FEB 0.9>0
UA IAD-YYZ NOV 6>5 DEC 6>4

I wonder if this is permanent or seasonal. It's always impressed me that some cities maintained 4 flights to IAD given the size of the hub.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/8/2014: AA/DL/BIG UA Changes

Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:15 pm

Quoting Jetblue1965 (Reply 3):
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
*UA EWR-SAT JAN 0.8>0.1 FEB 0.9>0
*UA EWR-TUL JAN 0.8>0.1 FEB 0.9>0
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
*UA LAX-ABQ JAN 1.0>0.2 FEB 1.0>0
*UA LAX-BOS DEC 1.4>1.0 JAN 1.2>0.2 FEB 1.0>0.6
*UA LAX-BWI JAN 0.9>0.2 FEB 0.9>0
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
*UA IAD-PDX JAN 0.9>0.2 FEB 1.0>0
*UA IAD-PWM DEC 1.9>1.0 JAN 1.2>0.2 FEB 1.6>0
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
*UA SFO-PIT JAN 0.9>0.2 FEB 0.9>0

I hope these are all filing errors.

Plus...

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
*UA DEN-PIA JAN 0.8>0.1 FEB 0.9>0
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
*UA EWR-DSM JAN 0.7>0.1 FEB 0.8>0
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
*UA EWR-OKC JAN 0.9>0.2 FEB 0.9>0
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
*UA IAD-TUL JAN 1.0>0.2 FEB 0.9>0
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/8/2014: AA/DL/BIG UA Changes

Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:15 pm

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 5):
It wouldn't shock me if they're not. UA seems to be embracing the "shrink to profitability" method.

You mean their $800M profit in Q2 ?
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/8/2014: AA/DL/BIG UA Changes

Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:17 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA JAX-PHL OCT 0>1.0
AA MSY-PHL OCT 0>1.0

More cross-scheduling. Wonder if these are mainline or RJs?

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
*UA LAX-ABQ JAN 1.0>0.2 FEB 1.0>0
UA LAX-BOI DEC 1.8>3
*UA LAX-BOS DEC 1.4>1.0 JAN 1.2>0.2 FEB 1.0>0.6
*UA LAX-BWI JAN 0.9>0.2 FEB 0.9>0
UA LAX-ITO JAN 0.8>0.4
UA LAX-LAS DEC 5>4
UA LAX-SBA NOV 6>5 DEC 6>5
UA LAX-SMF DEC 3>2.0
UA LAX-SMX DEC 4>3
UA LAX-TUS DEC 1.9>1.0
Quoting Jetblue1965 (Reply 3):
I hope these are all filing errors.
Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 5):
It wouldn't shock me if they're not. UA seems to be embracing the "shrink to profitability" method.

The trend continues ...

I, too, will be interested to see if this is a filing error or real. This seems to point towards even further drawdown of LAX in the future. Two more markets (ABQ and BWI) potentially eliminated altogether, and several more (like SMF and TUS) reduced to levels of frequency that I doubt will be sustainable or competitive long-term up against AA, Delta and Southwest. Honestly, the one of the above that shocks me the most is BOS. I fully appreciate that the route is highly competitive, and it's the lowest season of the year, but the fact that United cannot sustain even a single daily flight in this market would be pretty remarkable - not only a huge local market, but also one United has been in for decades.

Depending on how much cutting continues for Express at LAX, and given the T6 gates going to AA, are we going to see even more mainline on T8 gates in the future?

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
*UA SFO-PIT JAN 0.9>0.2 FEB 0.9>0

Is this just for the dead of winter? United eliminating all PIT-California service in the span of a year?

Quoting miaami (Reply 7):
AA continues to struggle with Asia.

True, although frequency reductions in the slowest part of the winter season aren't unique to AA - Delta, which is considerably larger and stronger to Asia than AA, is doing much the same thing during the same time period.

[Edited 2014-08-04 07:18:48]
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/8/2014: AA/DL/BIG UA Changes

Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:24 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
UA LAX-BOS DEC 1.4>1.0 JAN 1.2>0.2 FEB 1.0>0.6

Is United gonna work its way out of LAX-BOS? I feel like they have flown that route forever, i feel like this would be super unpopular with FFs in the LA area.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/8/2014: AA/DL/BIG UA Changes

Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:30 pm

Any idea if G4 is returning the SFB-STC flights like they had last year??? I asked G4 and they said they didn't have their winter flights loaded yet.
"Don't believe it unless its parked on the ramp, or printed in the schedule...SUBJECT TO CHANGE"

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RE: OAG Changes 8/8/2014: AA/DL/BIG UA Changes

Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:30 pm

Just to double check, if I'm understanding and interpreting correctly all or most of these UA* long haul cuts like EWR-OKC are after the early January holiday rush ends through 2/28. They are not down to 0.0 for March and beyond at this point, yes? One wonders how much of these if any will push out farther and possibly become permanent. And how much of these are direct results of pilot issues at the regional level.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/8/2014: AA/DL/BIG UA Changes

Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:32 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 10):
Plus...

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
*UA DEN-PIA JAN 0.8>0.1 FEB 0.9>0
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
*UA EWR-DSM JAN 0.7>0.1 FEB 0.8>0
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
*UA EWR-OKC JAN 0.9>0.2 FEB 0.9>0
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
*UA IAD-TUL JAN 1.0>0.2 FEB 0.9>0

Quick scan on UAL.com looks like they are seasonal cuts.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/8/2014: AA/DL/BIG UA Changes

Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:36 pm

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 15):
One wonders how much of these if any will push out farther and possibly become permanent. And how much of these are direct results of pilot issues at the regional level.

I wonder how much is pilot issues. These cuts are coming from the airline that relies more on subcontracted flying than anyone else.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/8/2014: AA/DL/BIG UA Changes

Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:41 pm

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 15):
ust to double check, if I'm understanding and interpreting correctly all or most of these UA* long haul cuts like EWR-OKC are after the early January holiday rush ends through 2/28. They are not down to 0.0 for March and beyond at this point, yes?

EWR-OKC, specifically, looks to resume 3/5/15. For now.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/8/2014: AA/DL/BIG UA Changes

Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:42 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA JAX-PHL OCT 0>1.0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA MSY-PHL OCT 0>1.0

These are just from aligning/codesharing. Both operated by Republic, which US already does. Interestingly, though, MSY is op'd 3x a day under USX, but only one PHL-MSY is now coded as AAE as well, and no MSY-PHL legs are coded as AAE. Same thing is true for JAX. I guess they're just taking it slow...

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
US PHL-LGA NOV 13>10 DEC 14>10 JAN 13>10 FEB 13>10 MAR 14>10 APR 13>10

More consolidation hopefully...good news!
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RE: OAG Changes 8/8/2014: AA/DL/BIG UA Changes

Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:46 pm

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 17):
Quick scan on UAL.com looks like they are seasonal cuts.

I wouldn't trust those schedules more than about six months out.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/8/2014: AA/DL/BIG UA Changes

Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:57 pm

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 13):
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
UA LAX-BOS DEC 1.4>1.0 JAN 1.2>0.2 FEB 1.0>0.6

Is United gonna work its way out of LAX-BOS?

LAX-BOS is not running after the January holiday periods until mid-February. It starts back up on 2/12/15 as daily; the 0.6 for Feb is for daily service from 2/12 - 2/28.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/8/2014: AA/DL/BIG UA Changes

Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:57 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 12):
More cross-scheduling. Wonder if these are mainline or RJs?

RJs, seems like a 1:1 swap.

PHL-JAX 8/11:
1x 190
2x 175


PHL-JAX 10/13
1x 190
2x 175 (1 by Eagle)

There are 4 flights on the 10/13 schedule but two are the same exact time so clearly it is the Eagle flight and the US flight that hasn't been dropped yet.
 
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Mon Aug 04, 2014 3:00 pm

The UA cuts seems to coincide with the announcement that they will be a much more seasonal airline than before. A 15% difference between summer and winter is what I remember them saying in the 2Q report.
 
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Mon Aug 04, 2014 3:02 pm

Quoting kcrwflyer (Reply 9):
I wonder if this is permanent or seasonal. It's always impressed me that some cities maintained 4 flights to IAD given the size of the hub.
Quoting commavia (Reply 12):
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
*UA SFO-PIT JAN 0.9>0.2 FEB 0.9>0

Is this just for the dead of winter? United eliminating all PIT-California service in the span of a year?
Quoting knope2001 (Reply 15):
Just to double check, if I'm understanding and interpreting correctly all or most of these UA* long haul cuts like EWR-OKC are after the early January holiday rush ends through 2/28. They are not down to 0.0 for March and beyond at this point, yes? One wonders how much of these if any will push out farther and possibly become permanent. And how much of these are direct results of pilot issues at the regional level.
Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 17):
Quick scan on UAL.com looks like they are seasonal cuts.
Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 18):
I wonder how much is pilot issues.
Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 19):
EWR-OKC, specifically, looks to resume 3/5/15. For now.
Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 21):
I wouldn't trust those schedules more than about six months out.

Let me give all of you a little information about how UA manages their schedules because it isn't the same as other carriers. UA follows the "Live" and "Core" philosophy.

The "Live" schedule is a real schedule (usually fleeted and at least sent to be crewed, although not yet crew approved). That schedule is usually in place 4 to 6 months into the future.

The "Core" schedule is a dummy schedule that is filed 4/6 to 11 months into the future. The purpose of the "Core" schedule is prevent continually reaccoming passengers that book far into the future. If you have ever booked a ticket on DL 9 months in advance you know that you get reaccomed pretty much every month as they roll the schedules forward with each major schedule change. This costs some money in terms of the GDS and creates confusion and can also lead to getting reaccomed off a flight time that comes back before the schedule is final. UA avoids this by locking the future schedules with a fake core schedule and then in theory reaccoms everybody only once at the point their flight moves from the Core schedule to the Live schedule. Essentially carriers like NK and F9 only file a live schedule and don't bother with a core schedule at all, but then you lose the ability to sell tickets to people who like to plan.

SO, what that all means is that there is no way of knowing if these are permanent because they have not updated the Core schedule yet. I'm pretty positive of that. When they finish their rebanking exercise which this surely is a result of, they will probably do a core update and then we will see what rolls forward.

Two more things to keep in mind. 1) Tighter banking lowers utilization of aircraft (and people). That means that they must reduce flying to have tighter banking because tighter banking means things are looser at the outstations. 2) UA is dropping a lot of new aircraft from the regional fleet. That means a lot of markets will be dropped and it's these low-freq marginal routes that will be hit.
 
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Mon Aug 04, 2014 3:05 pm

Quoting panamair (Reply 22):
LAX-BOS is not running after the January holiday periods until mid-February. It starts back up on 2/12/15 as daily; the 0.6 for Feb is for daily service from 2/12 - 2/28.

Wow. Just wow. I realize it's just for a matter of a few weeks, but United entirely eliminate LAX-BOS altogether? That's incredible. Again, this is a route United has been flying for decades. The fact that United cannot even manage a single flight at all - even in the slowest season of the year - is really striking. Even through the dead of winter, it looks like AA, Delta, JetBlue and Virgin are all maintaining at least 2-3 flights on many days.
 
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Mon Aug 04, 2014 3:09 pm

Quoting hufftheweevil (Reply 20):
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
US PHL-LGA NOV 13>10 DEC 14>10 JAN 13>10 FEB 13>10 MAR 14>10 APR 13>10

More consolidation hopefully...good news!

For a random weekday in June 2015, I see the following on PHL-LGA:

5 Air Wisconsin CRJ-200s
1 Piedmont Dash 8-100
1 Republic E-170
1 mainline E-190
2 mainline a319s
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Mon Aug 04, 2014 3:11 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL ATL-CDG NOV 3>1.6 DEC 2>1.6

Are you sure that DL was at 3 for November? From what I can see in the previous schedule, DL and AF each run the route twice daily through the rest of the year, and with the update, DL is dropping one departure on certain days.
 
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Mon Aug 04, 2014 3:22 pm

Quoting panamair (Reply 22):

LAX-BOS is not running after the January holiday periods until mid-February. It starts back up on 2/12/15 as daily; the 0.6 for Feb is for daily service from 2/12 - 2/28.

Trimming marginal ERJ routes - that I completely understand. Seasonally suspending LAX-BOS ? That's ridiculous.
 
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Mon Aug 04, 2014 3:42 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 26):
Quoting panamair (Reply 22):LAX-BOS is not running after the January holiday periods until mid-February. It starts back up on 2/12/15 as daily; the 0.6 for Feb is for daily service from 2/12 - 2/28.
Wow. Just wow. I realize it's just for a matter of a few weeks, but United entirely eliminate LAX-BOS altogether? That's incredible. Again, this is a route United has been flying for decades. The fact that United cannot even manage a single flight at all - even in the slowest season of the year - is really striking. Even through the dead of winter, it looks like AA, Delta, JetBlue and Virgin are all maintaining at least 2-3 flights on many days.

As others have said, this is a big surprise, and says a lot about the direction UA's LAX operation is headed in.

LAX-BOS was not flown by UA prior to deregulation; AA and TWA were the only airlines with nonstops. Similarly, AA did not have SFO-IAD / BOS authority before deregulation; these routes were only flown by UA and TWA.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/8/2014: AA/DL/BIG UA Changes

Mon Aug 04, 2014 3:53 pm

Quoting Jetblue1965 (Reply 29):

Trimming marginal ERJ routes - that I completely understand. Seasonally suspending LAX-BOS ? That's ridiculous.

Often, A.net fans get caught up in wishes and not in reality. I do it too. In the case of UA, I have no skin in the game and no emotion.

Reality: the future for UA at LAX and IAD isn't grim, but it isn't bright either. All signs point to a much smaller UA presence at both airports 5 years from now.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/8/2014: AA/DL/BIG UA Changes

Mon Aug 04, 2014 4:01 pm

Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 28):
Are you sure that DL was at 3 for November?

The way the code is written, and in cases where there is enough frequency to not show fractions, it rounds up to the next whole number when there is a fractional 3rd trip. In this case, there were days published where DL was operating 1 76W and 2 764s, so it rounded to 3...although I don't think it was more than a few days.
 
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Mon Aug 04, 2014 4:08 pm

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 30):
As others have said, this is a big surprise, and says a lot about the direction UA's LAX operation is headed in.

  

Personally, I still think it's at least plausible that within the next few years, we may well see United at LAX down to just the hubs plus a few specific non-hub markets important for connectivity (i.e., JFK, LAS, MCO, SAN). Some of these remaining shorthaul markets that are down to just 1-2 RJs per day (like SMF and TUS), and apparently also BOS, BWI, etc. seasonally) - I don't think it's out of the question that these could simply end altogether. Although, honestly, I am still shocked that BOS is being suspended - that, to me, seems like a critical non-hub market that should be able to support at least a single LAX flight no matter what, but apparently not.

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 30):
LAX-BOS was not flown by UA prior to deregulation; AA and TWA were the only airlines with nonstops. Similarly, AA did not have SFO-IAD / BOS authority before deregulation; these routes were only flown by UA and TWA.

True, but it's still a market United has been in for decades. I realize the era of AA and United having an effective duopoly in this market with each operating multiple daily 757s and 3-class 767s is clearly gone. But again, even in the dead of winter, I still find it incredible that United cannot make a single daily flight work.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 31):
Reality: the future for UA at LAX and IAD isn't grim, but it isn't bright either. All signs point to a much smaller UA presence at both airports 5 years from now.

Agreed.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/8/2014: AA/DL/BIG UA Changes

Mon Aug 04, 2014 4:09 pm

I don't know how the new AA will be doing their scheduling in the future, but I know that at DL they significantly draw down their fluing in the slow periods (late fall to early spring, sans holiday periods) so as not to 'give the profits away in the winter months.' It can make it hard on crews as our schedule values go down in winter versus summer, and at DL we frequently scramble to get/keep our schedule values high in the slower months. However, the airlines do not exist to keep the crews happy, but to match the schedule to what customers are willing to utilize.

In the end, if UA managed their newfound scheduling flexibility well, this can alleviate some of the angst we've all been experiencing with their profits and loss, and they may become a more stable operation. I understand that many don't trust the UA executives to execute any initiative well, and I'm not in a position to comment on their competency, but at least on paper what UA is doing seems to be setting themselves up for success.

As an aside, if UA does pull off this scheduling flexibility, and AA follows suit (if they aren't already) I imagine the 'deals' we usually expect in the winter will disappear as capacity is restricted.

[Edited 2014-08-04 09:11:22]
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/8/2014: AA/DL/BIG UA Changes

Mon Aug 04, 2014 4:10 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
UA LAX-BOS DEC 1.4>1.0 JAN 1.2>0.2 FEB 1.0>0.6
Quoting Jetblue1965 (Reply 29):
Trimming marginal ERJ routes - that I completely understand. Seasonally suspending LAX-BOS ? That's ridiculous.

THat's my read on the route adjustments as well.

I get that LAX-BOS is a 5 carrier bloodbath amongst AA, DL, B6 and Virgin (and UA), but it seems that through the winter, AA (all 738s) and B6 (all 320s) are running the route 3x/ day and DL (2 738's) and Virgin (319, 320) are running the route twice a day. It wasn't that long ago that DL didn't fly the route at all.

Even in June, when UA bumps the flight back up to twice daily, they're doing both flights on 319's. (Just based upon spot checking).

Clearly UA knows what is necessary to turn a profit (as the last quarter shows), but the changes appear to need to make in order to do so are surprising to me.
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RE: OAG Changes 8/8/2014: AA/DL/BIG UA Changes

Mon Aug 04, 2014 4:25 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 33):
Personally, I still think it's at least plausible that within the next few years, we may well see United at LAX down to just the hubs plus a few specific non-hub markets important for connectivity (i.e., JFK, LAS, MCO, SAN).

UA has been adding at LAX in some areas (MEL, MSP) and cutting in others (this change). But the overall trend is fairly neutral. I believe they're the second-largest carrier at LAX and have (or had) the most destinations. There's no plausibility at this point to the theory for UA to virtually abandon LAX within a few years.

Quoting commavia (Reply 33):
But again, even in the dead of winter, I still find it incredible that United cannot make a single daily flight work.

I don't think it's a case of not making it work. I believe it's not desiring to fly such a long route in the slowest period with four competitors trashing yields. It's just not worth fighting for.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/8/2014: AA/DL/BIG UA Changes

Mon Aug 04, 2014 4:30 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AM PHX-HMO SEP 1.0>0.0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0

Interesting, with this cut AM won't have any service left to PHX. US/AA and Volaris will be the only ones still flying PHX-Mexico now.
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Mon Aug 04, 2014 4:32 pm

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 5):
UA seems to be embracing the "shrink to profitability" method.

This is a tough comment to address, because on one hand people kill UA for flying RJ's on many of these routes, so when UA cuts the route because it can't support mainline they get killed.

This is not about shrinking to profitability, it is about deploying assets to maximize earnings. That is the point of seasonal capacity adjustments.

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 13):
Is United gonna work its way out of LAX-BOS?

When I lived in BOS, it was a market they served but it was never a top market for UA. Lets not forget these are very long flights and yield should be high.

I loved the comments that were made during the last UA earnings call. It went something like this from UA, everyone calls it a hub. Yet it is the most fragmented hub across the country.
It is all about marketing to call it a hub.

LAX has many challenges to becoming a true hub for anyone (which is unlikely in my mind). It will be a niche hub for a few airlines due to the large market size and geographic position and wealth available.
 
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Mon Aug 04, 2014 4:33 pm

Is Volaris a thorn in Aeor Mexico's side? Are their costs significantly less than Aero Mexico's?
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/8/2014: AA/DL/BIG UA Changes

Mon Aug 04, 2014 4:46 pm

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 36):
But the overall trend is fairly neutral.

Depends on how far back you want to go. If you look back to a decade or a bit more ago, pre-(United) 737 retirement, the "overall trend" is decidedly downward. Many of the markets within the western U.S. that used to see multiple daily 737s now see, if anything, a few RJs (mostly single-class 50-seat). A similar trend can be seen in the transcon markets, where several markets (like MIA and PHL) are gone altogether and several others (like BOS and JFK) have seen a material reduction in frequency. Even DEN - which used to see multiple daily widebodies (often 777s and 747s) now sees fewer flights on smaller planes. Indeed, I think it would be fair to say that, in general, the only major markets from LAX on United that have seen any major increase in frequency or capacity from LAX are the former Continental hubs (IAH and EWR).

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 36):
There's no plausibility at this point to the theory for UA to virtually abandon LAX within a few years.

I disagree. I think the writing is on the wall for continued decline. If the steady cuts of more and more routes altogether, and reduction in frequency on still more, wasn't enough, I think the fact that United just handed their single largest competitor at LAX four of their gates should tell us all we need to know. To be clear: I'm not suggesting that United is going to turn LAX into just another spoke with 60 flights per day to the hubs. No, that is implausible. But United getting down to, say, around 100-120 daily flights to the hubs plus maybe 15-20 additional important domestic and international O&D or connecting markets, and shifting everything else to SFO? I think that's entirely plausible, and in fact is looking increasingly likely.

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 36):
I don't think it's a case of not making it work.

Well, it clearly is a case of not making it work. Again - all four of the other carriers in the market are maintaining service, at least on a daily basis, continuously through the winter. Only United is not.

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 36):
I believe it's not desiring to fly such a long route in the slowest period with four competitors trashing yields. It's just not worth fighting for.
Quoting ORDBOSEWR (Reply 38):
This is not about shrinking to profitability, it is about deploying assets to maximize earnings. That is the point of seasonal capacity adjustments.

No argument. I totally understand why United is doing this. It clearly is about not wanting to deploy assets fighting a yield battle in a competitive market - no question about that. I think what I and others are reacting to, though, is the fact that the other competitors in the market still clearly feel that it is worth maintaining service, at least at some seasonally-reduced level, and what that disparity between United and its competitors says about United's competitive position - both at LAX in particular, and perhaps in general.

Quoting ORDBOSEWR (Reply 38):
LAX has many challenges to becoming a true hub for anyone (which is unlikely in my mind). It will be a niche hub for a few airlines due to the large market size and geographic position and wealth available.

True. LAX can never be a true network airline megahub like SFO. It's not possible given the practical limitations of the market - economic, geographic, competitive, etc. Nonetheless, whereas United used to be the clear leader at LAX, it has now been eclipsed by AA and, likely, soon Delta, and has nowhere near as comprehensive a network offering as it once did in the market. I fear that United may be on a slippery slope here, where each successive "add" by AA and/or Delta, coupled with each successive "cut" by United, just causes a death spiral.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/8/2014: AA/DL/BIG UA Changes

Mon Aug 04, 2014 4:50 pm

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 36):
UA has been adding at LAX in some areas (MEL, MSP) and cutting in others (this change).

UA added in two areas - MEL and MSP. It has cut BFL, PIT, SJC, GDL, and PDX, plus others I'm sure, and now these cuts.
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RE: OAG Changes 8/8/2014: AA/DL/BIG UA Changes

Mon Aug 04, 2014 4:57 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
UA IAD-HSV DEC 1.5>0.5
UA ORD-HSV JAN 0.9>0.2 FEB 1.0>0.6

Double ouch.  

As always, thanks for the post!

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RE: OAG Changes 8/8/2014: AA/DL/BIG UA Changes

Mon Aug 04, 2014 5:06 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 40):
Nonetheless, whereas United used to be the clear leader at LAX, it has now been eclipsed by AA and, likely, soon Delta, and has nowhere near as comprehensive a network offering as it once did in the market. I fear that United may be on a slippery slope here, where each successive "add" by AA and/or Delta, coupled with each successive "cut" by United, just causes a death spiral.

This will be particularly true in competitions for corporate contracts. If UA continues shrinking, at some point the companies in Southern California that have UA as their preferred air carrier will switch to AA or DL, because UA's network no longer meets their needs.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/8/2014: AA/DL/BIG UA Changes

Mon Aug 04, 2014 5:26 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL ATL-CDG NOV 3>1.6 DEC 2>1.6

Right now only 2 of 4 flights are flown on DL, and looking into October right before November its the same, there hasn't been 3x on DL metal to CDG.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-COS DEC 1.4>1.0

This is just going back to normal schedule 1x daily. The extra flights are just for part of December (Xmas break).
 
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Mon Aug 04, 2014 5:27 pm

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 36):
UA has been adding at LAX in some areas (MEL, MSP) and cutting in others (this change). But the overall trend is fairly neutral.

  

They will lose a bit more with UAX cuts, but UA is still a big operator at LAX and LA basin still.
Anyhow LAX really did not function much as a "hub" for UA except on some UAX and mainline Hawaii flying. Much of the network is geared for local O&D flow.

As far as future commitment of UA to LAX, this is well shown by its $425mil project to modernize T-6-7-8 which starts in a few weeks which includes a brand new 29,000sq ft lounge -- the largest domestic lounge at LAX by far.
(As comparison, current largest is the new Star lounge @ TBIT - 18,000sq ft.)
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RE: OAG Changes 8/8/2014: AA/DL/BIG UA Changes

Mon Aug 04, 2014 5:29 pm

BOS is such an important route to have if you are trying to keep your LAX FF base satisified. Seems like such a dumb move by this united management

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 27):
For a random weekday in June 2015, I see the following on PHL-LGA:

5 Air Wisconsin CRJ-200s
1 Piedmont Dash 8-100
1 Republic E-170
1 mainline E-190
2 mainline a319s

Looks like a pretty good schedule but still tons of frequency they can probably free up a few slots more. 8x i think would be ideal 10x still leaves room up upsize a few flights.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/8/2014: AA/DL/BIG UA Changes

Mon Aug 04, 2014 5:29 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 40):
But United getting down to, say, around 100-120 daily flights to the hubs plus maybe 15-20 additional important domestic and international O&D or connecting markets, and shifting everything else to SFO? I think that's entirely plausible, and in fact is looking increasingly likely.

UA has an awful lot of small aircraft departures. A quick count today of UA-coded (sorry if any double-counting) shows 22 CRJ, 41 EM2 and 8 BEH. DL, by contrast, is 100% 65 seats or larger.
 
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Mon Aug 04, 2014 5:33 pm

Considering DL varies its capacity by ASMs around 20% between peak-summer (June, July, early-Aug) versus low-winter (post-holiday Jan & early Feb), I'm not surprised to see UA moving in the same direction.

DL did not used to do this as much and used to lose a ton of money in Q1, primarily due to a glut of TATL flying.

Let's be honest, leisure-vacation travel is non-existant during about a 6 week period from after New Years until Presidents Weekend in mid-February.

December is also a challenging month too with the peaks and valleys. Business travel is much lower during this month due to the upcoming holidays and year-end. Business travel pretty much falls off a cliff after Dec 15th.

Very little leisure travel in early December, but that significantly picks up for the second half of the month for Christmas and New Years.
 
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Mon Aug 04, 2014 5:34 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 47):
As far as future commitment of UA to LAX, this is well shown by its $425mil project to modernize T-6-7-8 which starts in a few weeks which includes a brand new 29,000sq ft lounge -- the largest domestic lounge at LAX by far.
(As comparison, current largest is the new Star lounge @ TBIT - 18,000sq ft.)

I have no doubt United is "committed" to LAX per se, but the question is how "committed" the market will be to United going forward (relative to today, let alone the past) if/as United cuts and or scales back more and more nonstop routes. It's a question of market relevancy. If United's schedule is less convenient and/or less comprehensive than competitors, it may - as someone else already alluded to - become increasingly challenging to retain some level of local business demand.

As for the investment - United is investing money in fixing up the gates it plans to keep because, frankly, it needs to be done. But again - I think the fact that United is reducing its gate footprint is a pretty clear indication that, at a minimum, it doesn't see much prospect of material growth (at least in terms of frequency) going forward. Meanwhile, AA and Delta are growing so much that they continue to pour out of the gate space they already have, and AA seems to be attempting to claw into as much gate space as possible (expanded Eagle satellite, TBIT rights, now T6, possibly still T3, etc.).
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/8/2014: AA/DL/BIG UA Changes

Mon Aug 04, 2014 5:42 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 52):
Meanwhile, AA and Delta are growing so much that they continue to pour out of the gate space they already have, and AA seems to be attempting to claw into as much gate space as possible (expanded Eagle satellite, TBIT rights, now T6, possibly still T3, etc.).

AA yes

DL ..... what gate growth ? They're mostly trapped at T5 with some common use of T6 (shared with UA and AS). DL is also the one who is deploying the most widebody out of the 3 legacies, so it's not like they have much room for up-gauging either. At the current state of affairs, DL has nearly no hope reaching 200 daily departures.

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