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RE: Some Updates On AA MD 80's...

Wed Jan 07, 2015 12:46 am

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 48):
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Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 48):
FRA - 1x 763

I take this flight multiple times a year. This is a HUGE disappointment, seeing as I've now been spoiled by the 777 for about a year now nonstop. Albeit on January 16th I'll be on a 763 once again.. The added premium capacity will be sorely missed.  
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RE: Some Updates On AA MD 80's...

Wed Jan 07, 2015 12:58 am

I have had unbelievable bad luck to have been on three round trips with the Mad Dogs and let me tell you, they are maintenance hogs.

These flights were DFW-SJC and DFW-TUL and DFW-DEN, and each and every one of them had cargo door problems, braking problems, and engine problems. Every flight to and fro were late by over an 1 hour, and most of them 2 hours.

They were filthy and unclean in the lavs and seats. The power were underseat car adapter types. I could go on and on.

The fact is that if you are on one of these, chances are you will have at the very least a very underwhelming experience with decades old aircraft.

Thank goodness DFW-SEA-DFW is all 738/757 on AA and 739 with AS.

I simply cannot understand all this nostalgia with the Mad Dogs. They are filthy, old, and if you are very unlucky, you see two engines where the windows are supposed to be in the very last two rows and very noisy!!

Even where I usually sit in 10A/11A its still terrible.

Please retire them ASAP.
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RE: Some Updates On AA MD 80's...

Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:40 am

Quoting EnviroTO (Reply 45):

I would think all CR7s and CR9s have the lower floor which makes the cabin feel less cramped as compared to the CRJ-100 and 200s. All the NextGen models would have bins capable of taking rollaboards.


Unless the flight is full on either the 700 or 900 and then there's no space for anyone. UA 700s get valet checked, the 170/175 doesn't unless it's 100% full and there are left overs.

Quoting texdravid (Reply 51):

This didn't used to be the case, I've spent my share of time on AA's S80 and generally found them well maintained and clean with only one delay that comes to mind. Could be that AA is letting "them go" and deferring non-essential maintenance and cabin refurbishment. Why pay for new seat covers, etc when the airplane is being retired in six months?

Delta's barely newer 88s (and DC9s at both DL and NW) have been my all time best in terms of mechanical delays. The Airbus is usually my worst and then the 757.
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RE: Some Updates On AA MD 80's...

Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:58 am

If there anyone who knows of a list indicating who are the NextGen CRJ operators versus the legacy ones? If the bins on the CRJ NextGen handle rollaboards as they are supposed to and 2+2 seating, in theory wouldn't that equate to more bin space per passenger considering A320s and 737s are 3+3 with similar pitch?
 
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RE: Some Updates On AA MD 80's...

Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:50 pm

Quoting texdravid (Reply 51):
I simply cannot understand all this nostalgia with the Mad Dogs. They are filthy, old, ...

It's not nostalgia, it's comfort. Getting a seat on the 2-side of 2x3 with wider seats beats 3x3 with narrow seats any day. It's nicer sitting in the front of the main cabin where it's significantly quieter than a 738 at the same position. I have not felt that the one's I've ridden lately have been "filthy" (4YD on DFW - RDU 2 days ago was maybe a little worn but not unpleasant in any way), nor do I think that "old" automatically means inferior. I thought most aviation enthusiasts would know better than to consider the age of an aircraft by itself to be indicative of its' quality.
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RE: Some Updates On AA MD 80's...

Wed Jan 07, 2015 5:02 pm

Quoting texdravid (Reply 51):

I have had unbelievable bad luck to have been on three round trips with the Mad Dogs and let me tell you, they are maintenance hogs.

These flights were DFW-SJC and DFW-TUL and DFW-DEN, and each and every one of them had cargo door problems, braking problems, and engine problems. Every flight to and fro were late by over an 1 hour, and most of them 2 hours.

They were filthy and unclean in the lavs and seats. The power were under-seat car adapter types. I could go on and on.

The fact is that if you are on one of these, chances are you will have at the very least a very underwhelming experience with decades old aircraft.

You must not have any good luck travelling and don't do a lot of it. I do like the newer aircraft as well but I still think that flying the MD-80 is a joy that one can only experience on an MD-80. I like it due to the quite, unless you get a person who won't shut up sitting beside you whilst you are trying to work but that is the only real annoyance I have when flying on the MD-80s.

I don't worry so much about the toilets as I try not to use airplane toilets anyhow. I don't see them unless it is on a 5+ hour flight. Usually, you don't see them on any thing over a two to three hour flight. Then you could end up on a CRJ or an ERJ anyway and how pleasant is that?
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RE: Some Updates On AA MD 80's...

Wed Jan 07, 2015 5:17 pm

The MD80 is probably my all time favorite aircraft as a passenger. I hope PIT holds on to them to the bitter end. The 738 in my opinion is a horrible replacement. I'm hoping our market gets the A320 when the 80's are pulled.
 
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RE: Some Updates On AA MD 80's...

Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:38 pm

Quoting texdravid (Reply 51):
The fact is that if you are on one of these, chances are you will have at the very least a very underwhelming experience with decades old aircraft.

Nostalgia aside, they're pieces of junk. Give me a BSI AVOD 738 over one of those any day of the week. I will miss those F class seats though. They seem much larger than their 738 counterparts.
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RE: Some Updates On AA MD 80's...

Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:11 pm

Quoting dennypayne (Reply 54):
It's nicer sitting in the front of the main cabin where it's significantly quieter than a 738 at the same position.

After flying four AA MD-80s and two WN 737s in the forward half of the aircraft last week, I can't agree. The high-pitched wind noise in first class in the MD-80 is terrible, and it's still a problem in the first few rows of economy. The quietest area was smack dab in the middle of the cabin. There it's quiet. The front of the 735 and 737 were less noisy overall. Plus the low-frequency engine noise they do have is more tolerable for me.

I think the MD can be a nice ride, but it's dependent on where you sit. The 2-side towards the middle is great. The 3-side at the front or back is deplorable.
 
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RE: Some Updates On AA MD 80's...

Wed Jan 07, 2015 10:14 pm

Is DUS gone for this summer? I know HEL went to AY, but I though DUS went seasonal.
 
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Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:07 am

I guess I should feel lucky to be going on a pair of American Airlines MD-80s next week! Flying them PHL-DFW-PHL on a weekend trip to visit the AA museum! Really hope neither one of them gets switched to a 738.
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RE: Some Updates On AA MD 80's...

Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:02 am

A great discussion on AA's MD80 fleet. Are there any plans for one aircraft to be saved for the CR Smith museum in Dallas? It should have already been done with the very first delivery.

Quoting northwestEWR (Reply 52):
This didn't used to be the case, I've spent my share of time on AA's S80 and generally found them well maintained and clean with only one delay that comes to mind. Could be that AA is letting "them go" and deferring non-essential maintenance and cabin refurbishment. Why pay for new seat covers, etc when the airplane is being retired in six months?

I am in complete agreement. I have noticed since the US merger that the AA MD80s seem to be showing their age more so than in years past. Having taken 60+ flights over the past 10 years, it does seem that the type is being neglected by the new mgmt and "letting them go" as they accelerate the phaseout.

Quoting 777stl (Reply 41):
DL's combined MD80/90 fleet is actually slightly younger on average than AA's MD80 fleet is. Plus, DL's average age is being boosted by the much younger MD90s being included in that average as well.

Actually, this is the same point. If you remove the MD90s (which are a separate fleet from the MD88), then the AA fleet is younger than DL. (In a direct MD80 comparison)

Quoting litz (Reply 47):
And then, if you include the 717s in that mix as well ... skews DL's average age even younger

   Precisely.

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 46):

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 43):
My point above was/is that the oldest AA MD-82s are older than DL's oldest MD-88s. That's true whether we look at original deliveries or what AA is still flying today.

Barely true at this point. Now only three of AA's active MD-82s are older than the oldest DL MD-88. And we're only talking a few months anyway. As a whole DL's fleet is older.

MSPNWA is right. According to airfleets.net, DL's avg age is 22.2 years, while AA is 22.6. But DL's number includes 65 MD90s, which are younger than the MD88 fleet.

http://www.airfleets.net/ageflotte/Delta%20Air%20Lines.htm

http://www.airfleets.net/ageflotte/American%20Airlines.htm

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Nostalgia aside, they're pieces of junk. Give me a BSI AVOD 738 over one of those any day of the week. I will miss those F class seats though. They seem much larger than their 738 counterparts.

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RE: Some Updates On AA MD 80's...

Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:22 am

Isn't PHL-DFW going to have widebody flights?

Quoting 777stl (Reply 57):
I will miss those F class seats though. They seem much larger than their 738 counterparts.

I've flown first class only once in my life so far -- and coincidentally that was on an AA 738. Also coincidentally that was my first ever flight on AA.  

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RE: Some Updates On AA MD 80's...

Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:38 am

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 48):
Here are some updates on AA's Europe network this summer:

Thanks for compiling this list, but I don't see any 788's listed.

What's the latest on 788's International routings ?
 
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RE: Some Updates On AA MD 80's...

Thu Jan 15, 2015 10:04 pm

Eff February 2015, the NYC S80 pilot base is closing. That leaves DFW, ORD, STL, LAX and DCA as the remaining S80 bases. DFW accounts for ~65% of the S80 lines. ORD is still quite a big S80 base.
 
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RE: Some Updates On AA MD 80's...

Thu Jan 15, 2015 10:29 pm

Quoting realsim (Reply 64):
That leaves DFW, ORD, STL, LAX and DCA as the remaining S80 bases.

STL must be the remnants of the TWA operation. Can't see that lasting much longer.
 
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RE: Some Updates On AA MD 80's...

Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:23 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 48):

Thanks for posting the list of Euro flights for the U.S./AA network. One thing I did notice is that you did not put GLA and BCN on for PHL. I checked to make sure that the flights are still there and they are for S15, GLA is on a B752 and BCN is on a A332.
 
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RE: Some Updates On AA MD 80's...

Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:24 pm

Quoting realsim (Reply 64):
Eff February 2015, the NYC S80 pilot base is closing. That leaves DFW, ORD, STL, LAX and DCA as the remaining S80 bases. DFW accounts for ~65% of the S80 lines. ORD is still quite a big S80 base

I'm surprised that they still have a S80 base in NYC. About the only flights are DFW-EWR and occasionally DFW/ORD-LGA (I know ORD-LGA went all 738 for a while, but I thought I heard here that at least one frequency was coming back to the S80).

STL, LAX, and DCA are likely the next to go. LAX only has STL-LAX-AUS-LAX-STL left IIRC on the MD80. I wouldn't be surprised to see these eliminated by year end (but what do I know, playing armchair CEO).
 
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RE: Some Updates On AA MD 80's...

Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:24 am

Quoting glbltrvlr (Reply 65):
STL must be the remnants of the TWA operation. Can't see that lasting much longer.

I think STL still does a bit of MD80 mx there as well. The only Mad Dog routes left at STL are DFW, ORD and LAX.
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RE: Some Updates On AA MD 80's...

Fri Jan 16, 2015 2:18 am

Quoting 777stl (Reply 68):


I think STL still does a bit of MD80 mx there as well.

The old Ozark/TWA hanger just west of T1 must do "something" there, I saw 3 AA MD-80s there a month or two ago. Not RON's, they all park on the north side of C where the closed gates are.
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RE: Some Updates On AA MD 80's...

Fri Jan 16, 2015 4:19 am

Quoting 777stl (Reply 68):
The only Mad Dog routes left at STL are DFW, ORD and LAX.

That's right. STL-LGA is now Eagle only, it's no longer mainline. I think that LAX will be next Mad Dog route out of STL to go, it will soon see the A319. STL-LAX is probably the longest MD-80 flight still around today on the AA system. It looks like soon all remaining MD-80 routes will be flights under 3 hours.
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RE: Some Updates On AA MD 80's...

Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:33 am

Quoting American 767 (Reply 70):
STL-LAX is probably the longest MD-80 flight still around today on the AA system.

I think ORD-PVR takes the cake easily.
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RE: Some Updates On AA MD 80's...

Fri Jan 16, 2015 10:15 am

Quoting 777stl (Reply 41):
While it's true AA has the ex-TW birds, it still has nAAtive MD80s built in the mid 80s on property.

What happened to the ex-Reno Air birds? Did AA retire/sell them, or are they still in the fleet?

Quoting texdravid (Reply 51):
I simply cannot understand all this nostalgia with the Mad Dogs. They are filthy, old, and if you are very unlucky, you see two engines where the windows are supposed to be in the very last two rows and very noisy!!

As others have pointed out, while they may be neglected now, they at least used to be good ships...think of it like saying goodbye to an old friend. For me, nostalgia is a big factor...I practically lived on MD-80's flying between SJC and LAX growing up in the late 80's and early to mid 90's. First on AA, then on QQ. I remember really not liking the ex-AirCal 737-200's that AA used on the route after they bought AirCal, and I was really happy to see the then-new Super 80's replace them!

And, now to see SJC not having any AA Super 80's at all...         
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RE: Some Updates On AA MD 80's...

Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:22 pm

An MD-80. operated AA 331 LGA-ORD today 1/16. It was good to see a mad dog at LGA
 
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RE: Some Updates On AA MD 80's...

Sat Jan 17, 2015 12:52 am

Quoting warden145 (Reply 72):
What happened to the ex-Reno Air birds? Did AA retire/sell them, or are they still in the fleet?

They all went away very early on. They had a mixed bag of MD 80s, 87s and 90s. Too small a fleet to keep the 87 and 90, although I believe I did see an 87 in full AA paint, although with a white body. I heard from AA pilots that the QQ birds were not in good shape.    ... that's just what I heard ...
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RE: Some Updates On AA MD 80's...

Sat Jan 17, 2015 1:35 am

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 74):
I did see an 87 in full AA paint, although with a white body.

None of the ex-Reno MD-87s or MD-90s were repainted in the full AA livery. They did wear at some point the AA tail logos, cheat lines and titles, but they were never repainted in silver. They stayed in white, the tails and engine nacelles however were painted in light gray as tails and engine nacelles of nAAtive AA MD-80s were.


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RE: Some Updates On AA MD 80's...

Sat Jan 17, 2015 1:48 am

Quoting 777stl (Reply 57):
Nostalgia aside, they're pieces of junk.

Wouldn't go that far but man oh man, did I get SICK of flying the S80 back in college in the 2006-2007 timeframe to the point that I completely stopped flying AA. Pretty much every flight out of ORD was on a S80 back then!

Quoting DeltaMD95 (Reply 71):
I think ORD-PVR takes the cake easily.

ORD-PVR is flown with the 738.

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RE: Some Updates On AA MD 80's...

Sat Jan 17, 2015 3:15 am

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 76):
ORD-PVR is flown with the 738.

And it is also flown by an MD83...  http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...2/history/20150105/1330Z/KORD/MMPR

Per the AA timetable, MD83s return to ORD-PVR-ORD on Feb 12 as AA 925, after a five week absence.


Quoting tommy767 (Reply 76):
did I get SICK of flying the S80 back in college in the 2006-2007 timeframe to the point that I completely stopped flying AA.Pretty much every flight out of ORD was on a S80 back then!

We consider that "the good ole' days" around here.     

Quoting bpat777 (Reply 73):
An MD-80. operated AA 331 LGA-ORD today 1/16. It was good to see a mad dog at LGA

It's a nice treat to see the MD80 return to ORD-LGA frequencies in 2015. Many of us thought they were gone for good on this route.
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RE: Some Updates On AA MD 80's...

Sat Jan 17, 2015 5:07 am

Quoting 777stl (Reply 57):
Nostalgia aside, they're pieces of junk

I wouldn't say they are pieces of junk by any means.

- They have one of the best safety records of any commercial aircraft. The best for an aircraft it's size.
- They are not fuel efficient, but no plane made in the 70's and early 80's is now days.
- Maintenance costs are high, but that is because they are old.

I am going to miss flying on the MD80 in a few years. I used to live in Dallas, so I flew on them all my life. Great planes.


The only thing I don't like about the MD80 is the cargo bins. You cannot stand up in them. Even the CR2/E145 you can stand up in.
 
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RE: Some Updates On AA MD 80's...

Sat Jan 17, 2015 5:30 am

Quoting DeltaXNA (Reply 78):
- They have one of the best safety records of any commercial aircraft. The best for an aircraft it's size.
- They are not fuel efficient, but no plane made in the 70's and early 80's is now days.
- Maintenance costs are high, but that is because they are old.

Could say the same thing about some a/c that have recently been retired: sUA 757, DL DC9, sUS 762. That's why I will stray away from ever saying AA M80s are POS. I just didn't like AA's utilization of flying them on midcons from ORD. No point of flying an AA M80 with no IFE versus a UA 763 or 777 on ORD-SFO back in 2008.

Quoting DeltaMD95 (Reply 77):
Per the AA timetable, MD83s return to ORD-PVR-ORD on Feb 12 as AA 925, after a five week absence.

Ahh Flight aware tricked me! I was surprised to see 738s on the route as well!
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RE: Some Updates On AA MD 80's...

Sat Jan 17, 2015 9:12 am

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 74):
They all went away very early on. They had a mixed bag of MD 80s, 87s and 90s. Too small a fleet to keep the 87 and 90, although I believe I did see an 87 in full AA paint, although with a white body. I heard from AA pilots that the QQ birds were not in good shape. ... that's just what I heard ...

Oh wow! You learn something new every day...I thought that one of the main reasons AA bought Reno Air was for the aircraft. Sure as Hades it wasn't for the RNO and SJC hubs; AA decimated those right quick. I had no idea that the ex-QQ birds left the AA fleet so fast. But, if they were in poor shape, it makes sense.

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RE: Some Updates On AA MD 80's...

Sat Jan 17, 2015 9:59 pm

Just my thought, but my thinking at the time was that AA sort of spun off some of the former AirCal/AA routes to QQ and maintained a partnership, but later on decided to go back into some of them. It would have been bad form to compete against QQ, so they absorbed them instead.

Sadly, some of the AA folks that had been laid off and compensated went to QQ, but that made them ineligible to come back to AA when QQ was acquired. I'm sure there are some QQ folks out there that can confirm or correct me.

Regardless of the condition of the QQ fleet, there were technical differences between them and AA's MD80's. AA doesn't like a few one-offs requiring different maintenance or other procedures. The ex-TWA MD80s had differences, but they were a big enough subfleet that they were kept ... not the 717 and 767 fleets though.
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RE: Some Updates On AA MD 80's...

Sat Jan 17, 2015 11:31 pm

Quoting DeltaXNA (Reply 78):
I wouldn't say they are pieces of junk by any means.

- They have one of the best safety records of any commercial aircraft. The best for an aircraft it's size.
- They are not fuel efficient, but no plane made in the 70's and early 80's is now days.
- Maintenance costs are high, but that is because they are old.

I'm just repeating what my buddy says who does line maintenance on them at ORD for AA. Some of his stories....WOW.

Their time has come and gone. They need to ride off into the sunset.
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RE: Some Updates On AA MD 80's...

Sat Jan 17, 2015 11:58 pm

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 81):
Just my thought, but my thinking at the time was that AA sort of spun off some of the former AirCal/AA routes to QQ and maintained a partnership, but later on decided to go back into some of them. It would have been bad form to compete against QQ, so they absorbed them instead.

No "spin-off" or anything else. AA's cost structure meant AA "didn't make enough profit" flying N/S west coast with full airplanes when those same planes could be flying 1/2 full N/S east coast routes with "twice the profit." AA "partnered" with QQ via the AAdvantage program. QQ purchased AAdvantage miles it could "give away" to its passengers {QQ claimed it did better with AAdvantage than AA did} on routes that did not compete with AA. With AA reassigning the planes to east coast ops, that created significant opportunity for QQ to expand.

When QQ management put Reno Air up for sale years later, AA {under Carty's strong "endorsement"} purchased Reno Air supposedly to "hold on to those AAdvantage members."

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 81):
Regardless of the condition of the QQ fleet, there were technical differences between them and AA's MD80's.

The primary reason AA did not keep any QQ planes was due to the existing lease terms and the owners' unwillingness to change said terms. Monthly prices were reportedly more than 100% higher than AA MD80 lease payments and the owners refusal to allow AA to remove the fuselage "protective coating" which prohibited AA from using its polished metal paint scheme.

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 81):
The ex-TWA MD80s had differences, but they were a big enough subfleet that they were kept

Purchased in Bankruptcy, the owners were willing to significantly "renegotiate" the lease terms. OTOH, Boeing was not willing to limit where it could place AA's F100's so a deal to swap F100s for B717s never materialized and AA parked the 717 fleet. You are correct that the 757/767 fleet was "retired" due to compatibility issues with the decision being hastened in the post-9/11 era.
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RE: Some Updates On AA MD 80's...

Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:57 am

SAN still gets one S80 turn at 5pm, and a RON for a Right Start 0622 departure daily till March.
 
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RE: Some Updates On AA MD 80's...

Sun Jan 18, 2015 4:34 am

What will LAX-STL-LAX change too? Combination of 738/A319, 738/A319/CR9/E75? Are they going out at 90-100% of the time to have the 738 fly the majority of the trips?
 
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RE: Some Updates On AA MD 80's...

Sun Jan 18, 2015 5:08 am

Quoting 777stl (Reply 82):
I'm just repeating what my buddy says who does line maintenance on them at ORD for AA. Some of his stories....WOW.

That's true of most aircraft. Speaking from line maintenance myself.
Unless they're Japanese, that is... in which case, we consider them to be golden unicorns of maintenance perfection...
 
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RE: Some Updates On AA MD 80's...

Sun Jan 18, 2015 5:22 am

Quoting cactus739 (Reply 14):
but I'll miss the F on those birds! Many upgrades on them!

Yes, first class is very private on these flights. With the 738 and 319 on AA you have more privacy in coach than in First. It is shame AA shrunk the first class seat on the 738 and how there is a huge gaping hole between rows where you see the row in front of you. What is frustrating is not only the lack of privacy but waste of space, it netted zero more seats. I really loved how the 727 seats contoured out above the arm rest, much more comfortable and spacious.
 
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RE: Some Updates On AA MD 80's...

Mon Jan 19, 2015 1:31 am

LAX, STL, DC, NY MD80 bases to be closed this year is s given. ORD to hang on longer than I thought, but an ORD AB base is coming on line, so I'm told.
 
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RE: Some Updates On AA MD 80's...

Mon Jan 19, 2015 2:51 am

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 22):
AA still shows nothing but the MD80 between SMF and DFW into next November (with the exception of a short-season red-eye on a 738, but it's gone by August). It's been all Super 80 practically since the aircraft entered the fleet. For a while, they operated one 757 SMF-SNA-DFW (RT) which I would take once in a while just for the real airplane and amenities (music, movies, video). Obviously SMF will eventually get something else, but I wonder if that will be 738 or A321. Or 320 once AA and US are combined and equipment shuffled. Too much premium traffic for the LAA 319.

I'd expect FAT to be one of the last MD80 routes, although, they've a 738 on the June red-eye to DFW. Sign of what's to come, I suppose.
 
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RE: Some Updates On AA MD 80's...

Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:23 am

Quoting WhatUsaid (Reply 89):
'd expect FAT to be one of the last MD80 routes, although, they've a 738 on the June red-eye to DFW. Sign of what's to come, I suppose.

I think we would see FAT go A319 sooner than later, and perhaps add an additional flight. FAT seems to do well for AA and with the additional PHX flights with US. Do they ever send A319s on PHX-FAT?
 
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RE: Some Updates On AA MD 80's...

Tue Jan 20, 2015 2:06 am

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 28):
Baring any significant shift in strategy, DL will operate the MD-90 and 717s into the early 2030s.

Possibly. I thnink there is a good chance.

Quoting DeltaXNA (Reply 29):
I can even see them operating the MD88's until then as well.

Not with DL's last part buy in 2013/early 2014. That doomed the MD-80 part supply chain. DL is not able to operate such a large fleet that long.


The economies of scale are gone from the MD-80. The MD-90 at least shares engines with the A320.

Even with lower oil prices, the MD-80 will not see 2030 in DL's fleet.

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RE: Some Updates On AA MD 80's...

Tue Jan 20, 2015 2:19 am

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Thread starter):
1) They will be solely in and out of DFW until they disappear from the fleet.

ORD as keep the as long or longer.

Quoting TS-IOR (Reply 3):

Why is DL still relying on MDs more than AA does? I'm not complaining though  

DL has MD90s, which are a completely different animal, and their MD88s have glass cockpits. Plus, they have a different philosophy.

Quoting brilondon (Reply 9):
They have all gone from DFW to YYZ as well.

That was quite a while ago.

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 19):
How much longer will the M80 be on the DFW-IAH/HOU runs?

Probably one of the last to keep it. The MD80 does well in that range band, with those yields.

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 25):
Although DL will also probably be flying the MD-90s for years after the 88s are retired. They really aren't all that old.

Of course.

Quoting AAtakeMeAway (Reply 44):
I flew the CR9 for the first time on the PHX-TUS-PHX legs over the holiday (Mesa outbound/Skywest return). My rollaboard that would normally have to be valet'd on an MQ plane fit in the overhead bin of this aircraft. Would it also fit on the CR7 (i.e. do they have the same size overhead bin)?

Interesting, as they seem to auto-Valet them at PHX.

Quoting EnviroTO (Reply 45):
All the NextGen models would have bins capable of taking rollaboards.

AA sees to think differently, in practice.

Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 50):
I take this flight multiple times a year. This is a HUGE disappointment, seeing as I've now been spoiled by the 777 for about a year now nonstop. Albeit on January 16th I'll be on a 763 once again.. The added premium capacity will be sorely missed.

Remember, the 763 will now have flatbeds.

Quoting glbltrvlr (Reply 65):
STL must be the remnants of the TWA operation. Can't see that lasting much longer.

They seem to bridge a lot of planes over STL, so it seems to make some sense to keep that base open.

Quoting DeltaXNA (Reply 78):
- They have one of the best safety records of any commercial aircraft. The best for an aircraft it's size.

And one of the most visible crashes was abject negligent MX.

Quoting DeltaXNA (Reply 78):
- They are not fuel efficient, but no plane made in the 70's and early 80's is now days.

They are, however, light. Also cheap to own.

Quoting DeltaXNA (Reply 78):
- Maintenance costs are high, but that is because they are old.

Also, AA's pilots used the low MX predictability on them to engage in their work action.

Quoting AAR90 (Reply 83):
Boeing was not willing to limit where it could place AA's F100's so a deal to swap F100s for B717s never materialized and AA parked the 717 fleet.

Yeah, that was too bad.
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RE: Some Updates On AA MD 80's...

Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:12 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 91):
Quoting DeltaXNA (Reply 29):
I can even see them operating the MD88's until then as well.

Not with DL's last part buy in 2013/early 2014. That doomed the MD-80 part supply chain. DL is not able to operate such a large fleet that long.

This has been discussed in multiple threads, at least from what I have read, and valuable contributions from multiple members. What seems to have been established is that DL have enough parts supply (OEM and used) for a 2024-2025 for the MD88 and perhaps even longer if DL cannibalize their own fleet.

It remains to be seen whether DL will actually operate the MD88 that long. Developments such as a flightdeck/FMC or Super 98 mod, and the long-term price of oil will factor in. We should not forget that Richard Anderson is on record that the MD88 is profitable at $100/bbl, so oil needs to go WAY up before that is an issue. So IMO, it's conceivable the MD88 will operate at DL as the DC9-50s did.
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