A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 11

Ruscoe · Fri Nov 13, 2015 10:28 am

That engine looks like it was made for the 380! I know I know

I don't follow closely enough. Can some one tell me what the current monthly production rate is, not delivery rate.

Cheers

Ruscoe

BobMUC · Fri Nov 13, 2015 10:35 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 149):
Video with some in-flight footage of the RR Trent XWB-97 engine:

http://videos.airbus.com/video/d7ca55a8725s.html

I have beaten Karel by 5 days!!!

Friday 13th. is a good day for me...

See:

Quoting BobMUC (Reply 124):
Some new A350 videos released by Airbus during the last days:

The A350-1000 Trent XWB-97 Engine Takes Flight:
http://videos.airbus.com/video/d7ca5....html

Thank you Karel for posting all this good stuff! Have a nice weekend!

bobdino · Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:11 am

Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 150):
That engine looks like it was made for the 380! I know I know

You are not the only one

http://leehamnews.com/2015/11/09/pon...-air-show-and-other-odds-and-ends/

Quote:
The first thing that came to mind when I saw the photo was that if Airbus put three more engines on it, you’d have the A380neo. Or maybe call it the A380TXWB. Done and dusted, as they say in England.

KarelXWB · Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:19 am

That engine is way too heavy to put on the A380.

[Edited 2015-11-13 03:20:08]

dare100em · Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:52 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 153):
That engine is way too heavy to put on the A380.

The XWB 84,000 lb - Version for the A350-900 is however lighter and better suited regarding thrust. Size is nearly identical. Furthermore there are constantly rumours about a stretch which would benefit the A380 in several areas (Cargo, Tail-size, Weight/m²).

KarelXWB · Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:56 am

Quoting dare100em (Reply 154):
The XWB 84,000 lb - Version for the A350-900 is however lighter and better suited regarding thrust.

Even the XWB-84 is 1 tonne heavier than the T900. That's 4 tonne of weight right there (four engines).

Richards2K14 · Fri Nov 13, 2015 12:14 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 138):
So now Finnair is getting 5 instead of 4 A350s this year?

MSNs 19>20>22 remaining Finnair aircraft?

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 138):
Any info on MSN 12?

Unsure of it's present location or state, but Handover to Delivery Centre appears to be 14th December, but I would imagine delivery mid-late January (2nd delivery of 2016).

dare100em · Fri Nov 13, 2015 12:26 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 155):
The XWB 84,000 lb - Version for the A350-900 is however lighter and better suited regarding thrust.

Even the XWB-84 is 1 tonne heavier than the T900. That's 4 tonne of weight right there (four engines).

But given the A380's weight of about 275t EMPTY it's about 1,5% weight increase for at least 10% lower fuel burn. Togerther with a possible stretch I don't think that's the main point. Even the A330neo get's a weight gain of >2t from the T7000 engines!

Anyway it's about the A350 here. Someone taking a gues how much will be deliverd this year and especially in 2016?

KarelXWB · Fri Nov 13, 2015 12:29 pm

Quoting dare100em (Reply 157):
Someone taking a guess how much will be deliverd this year and especially in 2016?

Should be around 50 deliveries.

dare100em · Fri Nov 13, 2015 1:07 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 158):
Quoting dare100em (Reply 157):
Someone taking a guess how much will be deliverd this year and especially in 2016?

Should be around 50 deliveries.

Okay, not much different to the second year of the 787 (65 in 2013, but 46 in 2012 and 3 in 2011), given the somhow artifical start in 2011.

KarelXWB · Fri Nov 13, 2015 3:39 pm

MSN 24 JJ #1 rolled out to the flight line today.

Roll out msn24 F-WZFS 13/11/2015 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

MSN 27 JJ #2 was moved to cabin fit today.

Msn27 F-WZFV 13/11/2015 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

[Edited 2015-11-13 07:46:37]

Miami · Fri Nov 13, 2015 8:52 pm

SQ2

Quote:
MSN30 is now in C63 for engine fit etc. Will move to S20 afterwards.

Miami · Fri Nov 13, 2015 8:54 pm

1st flight for AY3

1st flight for the 3rd Airbus A350 Finnair | cn 020 | F-WZFO -> OH-LWC by Jujug Spotting, on Flickr

Miami · Fri Nov 13, 2015 8:55 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 160):
MSN 27 JJ #2 was moved to cabin fit today.

2nd Airbus A350 Tam Airlines | cn 027 | F-WZFV -> PR-XTB by Jujug Spotting, on Flickr

CX Flyboy · Sat Nov 14, 2015 3:48 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 140):

Ok it's been a couple of days now. Still no B-LRA photo?

Ruscoe · Sun Nov 15, 2015 1:36 am

Quoting dare100em (Reply 157):
Anyway it's about the A350 here. Someone taking a gues how much will be deliverd this year and especially in 2016?

Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 150):
I don't follow closely enough. Can some one tell me what the current monthly production rate is, not delivery rate.

I'm surprised someone does not know this just off the top of their head.

Anyway, I took a look at Spirit deliveries to Airbus, to try and answer my own question.

2012 3 shipset deliveries
2013 8
2014 16
2015 Q1 6
Q2 9
Q3 8

So total of 50 so far, and 23 so far this year. So add another ?9 for Q4 and we have 32 for 2015, average 2.7 a month.

I realise it is most unlikely that this is the current production rate, but must be indicative to some extent.

Regarding 2016, if you extrapolate the graph of shipset deliveries, and it continues in its current upward trajectory (lets hope so), then I estimate about 48 in 2016 or 4 a month for shipset deliveries.

Also learned on a blog spot that the 350 production facility is designed for 13 a month, and that Airbus is planning a production rate 10 a month 4 years after EIS.

Also that TC is not happy about the slow ramp up because he can not get the info he wants on the 350.

Ruscoe

enzo011 · Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:56 am

Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 165):
Also that TC is not happy about the slow ramp up because he can not get the info he wants on the 350.

He can't get the information he wants for an aircraft he cancelled and cannot operate (in the near future) because of airport infrastructure issues...

bobdino · Sun Nov 15, 2015 8:44 am

Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 165):
Also that TC is not happy about the slow ramp up because he can not get the info he wants on the 350.

Mostly, I believe he's waiting on MSN 21 (first batch 3) aircraft to enter service.

Miami · Sun Nov 15, 2015 3:18 pm

SQ5

In S40:

www.twitter.com/Aviacol/

Miami · Sun Nov 15, 2015 3:20 pm

QR13

Quote:
Now in S40. Tail fin and pylon can be seen on the floor.

www.twitter.com/Aviacol/

Miami · Sun Nov 15, 2015 3:21 pm

JJ4

Quote:
Now in S50 for fuselage join.

www.twitter.com/Aviacol/

KarelXWB · Sun Nov 15, 2015 3:30 pm

Earlier this week MSN 30 SQ #2 emerged from paint:

F-WZFY / 9V-SUB Airbus A350-941 msn 030 Singapore Airlines by DigitalAirliners.com, on Flickr

MSN 36 QR #12 and MSN 37 SQ #4 undergoing outdoor ground tests at P18:

A350s MSN 036 and 037 outside A330 prod hall by DigitalAirliners.com, on Flickr

Miami · Sun Nov 15, 2015 4:50 pm

CAF for QR7

AIB04FH Caf 14/11/2015 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

KarelXWB · Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:12 am

MSN24 is now visible on FR24:

http://fr24.com/FWZFS/7fe5f79

Quoting Miami (Reply 172):
CAF for QR7

And now MSN 17 prepares for its first CAF:

http://fr24.com/AIB03FL/7fe7324

[Edited 2015-11-16 01:17:01]

KarelXWB · Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:49 am

Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 165):
So total of 50 so far, and 23 so far this year. So add another ?9 for Q4 and we have 32 for 2015, average 2.7 a month.

I realise it is most unlikely that this is the current production rate, but must be indicative to some extent.

Regarding 2016, if you extrapolate the graph of shipset deliveries, and it continues in its current upward trajectory (lets hope so), then I estimate about 48 in 2016 or 4 a month for shipset deliveries.

Current FAL load is 3 frames per month and is planned to be increased to 5 per month early next year.

Ruscoe · Tue Nov 17, 2015 6:55 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 174):
Current FAL load is 3 frames per month and is planned to be increased to 5 per month early next year.

Thanks, that's great.

Ruscoe

KarelXWB · Tue Nov 17, 2015 10:54 am

MSN 22 rolled out to the flight line, currently visible on FR24:

StTim · Tue Nov 17, 2015 11:14 am

So if they can deliver all those currently at the delivery centre or flightline this year then they will have acheived the 15 deliveries.

KarelXWB · Wed Nov 18, 2015 8:56 am

MSN 17 returning from its CAF two days ago:

Caf msn17 16/11/2015 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

KarelXWB · Thu Nov 19, 2015 11:09 am

MSN 17 airborne on its second customer flight:

http://fr24.com/AIB04FL/805b18d

starbucks · Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:38 pm

And MSN13 is also getting ready for the next one:
http://www.flightradar24.com/AIB05FH

777X · Thu Nov 19, 2015 1:51 pm

Guys, it's been a week or more. Are there still no pictures of CX #1?

CCA · Thu Nov 19, 2015 3:09 pm

It's so underwhelming no one's interested

LZ129 · Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:59 pm

It's also been more than a week and still no pictures of the SQ A350 with enginges?

Sooner787 · Thu Nov 19, 2015 8:47 pm

Quoting Lz129 (Reply 183):
It's also been more than a week and still no pictures of the SQ A350 with enginges?

I think our friends in France have had other things on their minds the past few days

#prayforparis

starbucks · Thu Nov 19, 2015 9:23 pm

Quoting 777X (Reply 181):

It's something.....
http://twitter.com/seymoresky/status/667448964644405248

Sooner787 · Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:57 pm

Quoting starbucks (Reply 185):
It's something.....
http://twitter.com/seymoresky/status/667448964644405248

The nose section looks better than the 77W I saw, kinda looks like the new
livery was designed with the A350 in mind

ap305 · Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:58 am

http://twitter.com/SeymoreSky

[Edited 2015-11-19 22:59:31]

Heavierthanair · Fri Nov 20, 2015 1:12 pm

G'day

http://leehamnews.com/2015/11/20/bjo...orner-production-rates/#more-17866

Well written article on Leeham on the A 350 production ramp up

Cheers

Peter

rbrunner · Fri Nov 20, 2015 1:30 pm

Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 188):
Well written article on Leeham on the A 350 production ramp up

Yes, it puts things into perspective. Thanks for sharing.

CX Flyboy · Fri Nov 20, 2015 2:31 pm

I understand that the first CX delivery has been delayed - overheard one of our managers mentioning this in the lift and asking his secretary to figure out the cost of the delay to the company. Anyone with details?

ap305 · Fri Nov 20, 2015 3:32 pm

Quoting Cx flyboy (Reply 190):
I understand that the first CX delivery has been delayed - overheard one of our managers mentioning this in the lift and asking his secretary to figure out the cost of the delay to the company. Anyone with details?

The aircraft is out of paint with still two months to go for delivery... I guess it must be interior completion related? The Leeham article above gives a fair idea of the issues.

Heavierthanair · Sat Nov 21, 2015 10:22 am

G'day

Qatar # 7 MSN # 13 flying "home"

http://www.flightradar24.com/QTR3359/80ab329

People seem to no longer pay much attention

Cheers

Peter

ap305 · Sat Nov 21, 2015 10:47 am

Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 192):
Qatar # 7 MSN # 13 flying "home"

This is a most encouraging development... must be the least number days for any QR delivery so far.

starbucks · Sat Nov 21, 2015 10:55 am

Quoting ap305 (Reply 193):
must be the least number days for any QR delivery so far.

Looks that MSN10 has that honor:

MSN10: FF 11-05-2015 -> Delivery 10-06-2015, so about one month between
MSN13: FF 08-10-2015 -> Delivery 21-11-2015, about 6 weeks between

//Edit: Just thinking, if you meant days between transfer to Delivery Center to Actual Delivery you might be right, I don't have the exact numbers right now, but MSN13 wasn't at the DC that long I believe

[Edited 2015-11-21 02:59:42]

Miami · Sat Nov 21, 2015 2:35 pm

CX A350 has rolled out.

https://twitter.com/SeymoreSky

3rdGen · Sat Nov 21, 2015 5:35 pm

Quoting ap305 (Reply 193):
Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 192):
Qatar # 7 MSN # 13 flying "home"

This is a most encouraging development... must be the least number days for any QR delivery so far.

This is good for QR, they had early stated that they were targeting 6 A350s in 2015, but they have 7.

When is the next one set to join the fleet? A7-ALH I presume. Heard that they expected 1 per month in 2016.

AABB777 · Sat Nov 21, 2015 7:12 pm

From what I have heard, QR is likely going to start their second daily DOH-JFK route earlier than March 2016. The flight will be operated by the A350. An announcement should happen in early December.

BOAC1966 · Sun Nov 22, 2015 5:44 pm

VNA889 looks ready for delivery very soon from TLS

rbrunner · Sun Nov 22, 2015 6:25 pm

Quoting BOAC1966 (Reply 198):
VNA889 looks ready for delivery very soon from TLS

Yes, TAC is scheduled for the 24th, i.e. in two days.

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