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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 7:17 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 29):

Yeah I've only seen about 10 planes land on that runway.

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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 7:17 pm

Just remember runway 17/35 at LIS. As far as I know, all traffic at LIS uses 03/21. 17/35 is used as a taxiway.
 
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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 7:19 pm

Campbletown runway is only maintained to a small length now and so full length is no longer available. PIK is another thats underused. The Spaceport may generate use at one of those.
 
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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 7:19 pm

Quoting p201055r (Reply 37):
I certainly recall EIDW's 30/12 being in use before it was re-designated 29/11, though usually to facilitate Regional/Commutter type flights and general aviation needs. The 29 or 30 approach was, if I'm not mistaken, based on a visual to 28 (or 35, when the old 24 was the principal runway), with a break off at about three miles. I can't recall many landings on 12, 30 seems to have been favoured for some reason.
I may have notched up a landing on that strip as a pax in a Saab 340, but I'd have to check. I have some recollection of an ATR42 using it for a departure to Sligo, too, so that probably isn't more than 10 years back and the designator would probably have been 29.
Can't recall when the runway designator changed, or when it ceased to be usable, but the three big X marks (visible on most satellite views from the regular suppliers of such) have been there quite a few years now and indicate it can't be used any longer.
When/if the political/planning/financial masters give the "nod" for a 28R/10L one might expect some of the "soil" of 2911 to be upgraded and returned to service.

I think that structurally 11/29 was not capable of sustained use and given its limited length it has rarely been used by anything larger than ATRs. As it is virtually parallel to 10/28 and had no electronic approach aids, it couldn't have been integrated as a reliable part of operations at DUB in all weathers. As a matter of interest I did once see an Iberia A300 land on it in winds of 40 knots or so. That was before 28 was built in the late 1980s.
 
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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 7:21 pm

How about 4/22 at MSP?
 
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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 7:26 pm

One that comes to mind is KAFW (Alliance) in Fort Worth Texas. Runway 16L/34 R is 9,600 feet long (and being extended)
while 16R/34L is 8,220 feet long. Alliance has no scheduled airline traffic and the only substantial traffic comes from the two
banks of flights that FedEx runs to and from their hub. I have been to the airport several times and every time I go there it
seems like a ghost town.

The surrounding area though has an intermodal yard, warehouses, offices and homes so the area around the airport is
bustling and growing.
 
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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 7:27 pm

Does anyone know how often the runways 14R/32L and 06/24 at CGN are being used? Most traffic uses the long 14L/32R but the airport has two more runways. Eventough I'm not that familiar at CGN I've never seen them in use.
 
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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 7:35 pm

FWA's 11,981 ft 5/23 can handle anything up to the likes of the A380 and An-225.

However, the biggest plane it currently sees in pax use is the G4 A320, with FX and 5X sending 757s or (during the holidays) 767s, and FWA's runways are at 30% capacity. Plenty of room to grow - in fact, it seems like FWA needs more terminal capacity than runway capacity right now.
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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 7:47 pm

Quoting steex (Reply 3):
Sticking with STL, the existence of three parallels has made 6/24 virtually unneeded except in the worst of wind conditions.

I would be curious the last time 06 was used for any sort of landing, I remember growing up in the area in the early 70's and having TWA 747/L10 and EA L10 landings on literally a daily basis. It was not used much for departures though..

As far as 11/29, just about every departure I have made out of STL the last 5-6 years to DFW or IAH was on 29
 
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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 7:58 pm

Quoting mark2fly1034 (Reply 2):
Daytona DAB has a 10,500 foot runway no plane that files there requires that much runway.

That runway gets used EXTENSIVELY so I don't think DAB should apply to this thread. Sure most of the aircraft that use it can land or takeoff in a 1/4 the length or less, but I have seen everything from fighter jets to C5 galaxies, and 767s, to 747s use this runway.
 
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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 8:04 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 36):
Now 3, I could see 4-22s plus takeoffs on 31L beyond the intersection of 4L-22R

That's a frequent configuration at JFK.
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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 8:09 pm

Quoting washingtonflyer (Reply 32):
Speaking of head scratcher.... how about Rwy 8/26 at PHL. I've never seen a plane land on it....
Quoting vw (Reply 41):
With the location of the terminals, 26 takeoffs, or 08 landings, are not an option.

You are right - AFAIR, there is no charted data (takeoff minimums, landing minimums/charts) for either of the options you described.
 
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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 8:23 pm

In NC our largest (non-military) RWY is at, wait for it, ISO (Kinston). It was put in for the GTP (Global TransPark), which never took off. There were grand ambitions about it becoming a cargo hub and/or an intermodal hub, but they never came to fruition. According to airnav, it averages 51 operations per day, but half of that is military.

Quoting Beatyair (Reply 1):
I have no idea why Huntsville (I used to live there) has two parallel runways and one was just extended.

Hint: Aerospace Industry (which is huge in HSV) and of course don't forget NASA   I realize NASA ain't what they used to be, but they still have ties to the area.
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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 8:41 pm

Quoting Beatyair (Reply 1):
I have no idea why Huntsville (I used to live there) has two parallel runways and one was just extended. Passenger service is minimal, Cargo is pretty good, and Delta practices touch and goes there, but you don't need two runways. Oddly enough, there master plan shows a third.

Huntsville was built with the potential NASA and even Redstone Arsenal would need the long runways for various programs. Am I mistaken, or hasn't the Space Shuttle been to HSV on the converted 747?
 
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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 9:21 pm

Wilmington KILN. Built a brand new runway and then DHL collapsed. Runway isn't even open anymore yet its still in almost new shape. The other runway gets only a few flights a day.
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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 9:25 pm

North Bay Airport (YYB) has a 10 000ft long runway, and the largest aircraft it sees on a scheduled basis are DHC-8s from Toronto. That being said, it does get some larger aircraft on diversions and military training, but that's about it.
 
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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 9:39 pm

Quoting Bambel (Reply 33):
And i'm surprised that no one so far mentioned BER

Certainly BER would qualify for a least-used terminal (well utterly unusable in this case) thread.
Runways, however? As SXF and BER are fundamentally widely separated terminals at the same airport site, the runways are getting a reasonable amount of use from SXF flights, since SXF remains open as long as BER remains closed.
 
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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 9:43 pm

Quoting VS4ever (Reply 27):
Actually thinking about it, we should add 15L/33R to the mix, the only time this is really used is as a hold position for flights taxiing to/from the 4/22's.
9K uses that one reasonably often for arrivals but even they can't use it for departures with a full load.

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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 10:03 pm

How about Greenbrier Valley airport in WV? Runway was built to handle Air Force One as the government had a secret bunker in underneath the nearby Greenbrier Resort! 150 x 7000 in the middle of nowhere, WV!!

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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 10:10 pm

CTL and CQM in Spain.

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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 10:26 pm

Quoting kbmiflyer (Reply 14):
BLV (Belleville, IL) was the one that came to mind for me, what an incredible waste of money.

Honestly this would be it for me. 2 runways not much shorter than what LHR has and they only serve Allegiant airlines on a handful of flights. A huge waste of money.

What did they have like 30,000 passengers all last year?

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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 10:42 pm

Runway 12/20 (or pretty much the entire airport) at GYY. While not quite BLV, the airport is a money pit. Relocation og railway tracks to extend a runway and hoping airlines will flock to "Chicago's third airport" has not quite worked out.
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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 11:20 pm

10/28 at TPA. They use it as guidance for aircraft flying over the field in VMC conditions.

15L/33R at BOS. It's not even 3,000 feet long.

9/27 at BOS is largely uni-directional. I've only ever seen Cape Air departures off 27, and I've never seen arrivals use 9.
 
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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Fri Feb 05, 2016 11:44 pm

Quoting YYCSpotter (Reply 65):
North Bay Airport (YYB) has a 10 000ft long runway,

IIRC the runway was extended to accomodate a G20 meeting in 2010 that was supposed to be in the area, but then got moved to Toronto
 
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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Sat Feb 06, 2016 12:20 am

Most of the airports discussed (BLV, GYY, LWB) are relatively busy GA airports. They each have a tower, instrument approaches etc. Just because they aren't used by Part 121 airliners that often, some 10+ each day, doesn't mean they aren't valuable. I will take a 10,000ft runway in the King Air over a 4,000ft runway if I have the choice. Just because I only need 3,000ft doesn't mean I consistently operate the aircraft on the margin of its ability.
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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Sat Feb 06, 2016 12:43 am

Remember runway 18-36 at ORD? What was that ever used for?
 
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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Sat Feb 06, 2016 12:59 am

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 70):
Honestly this would be it for me. 2 runways not much shorter than what LHR has and they only serve Allegiant airlines on a handful of flights. A huge waste of money.

Much of BLV's infrastructure is shared with Scott AFB - the runways were there before the BLV side was built. Had the runways been built from scratch, the cost of BLV would have been many times higher than it was. But the rationale for BLV was actually there at the time. STL was running at overcapacity, and it was thought that BLV could siphon off STL traffic (much like the original rationale for Peotone). Trouble was that STL authorized an additional parallel runway right after BLV was approved, though Illinois politicians kept BLV alive to the point where it was built, even though there were virtually no sunk costs at BLV by then.

And then after AA bought TW, 9/11 came - then AA started death by a thousand cuts at STL.

But I'm glad that G4 is serving BLV (in part because the AA hub at STL is gone), and they're even adding a seasonal BLV-VPS flight.

Quoting bluejuice (Reply 71):

Runway 12/20 (or pretty much the entire airport) at GYY. While not quite BLV, the airport is a money pit. Relocation og railway tracks to extend a runway and hoping airlines will flock to "Chicago's third airport" has not quite worked out.

Most of GYY's troubles came from management from the airlines that served the airport. When the usual fly-by-nights like Pan Am III, Hooters Air, and Southeast served GYY, GYY flights often had the best loads and yields.

One well-managed airline has fizzled at GYY, and G4 failed at GYY for a very different reason: because they had to start with SFB instead of the originally planned LAS, and many in that area owned timeshares in Orlando and had no need for G4's hotel packages, G4 missed out on ancillary revenue. It should be noted that G4 has never ruled out a return to GYY after 12/20 was extended. Maybe service to LAS and AZA would be a good start - much less risk of missing out on ancillary revenue.
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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Sat Feb 06, 2016 1:33 am

Quoting Mcoov (Reply 72):
9/27 at BOS is largely uni-directional. I've only ever seen Cape Air departures off 27, and I've never seen arrivals use 9.

Departures off 27 are actually pretty common; I've done it 3 or 4 times on EWR bound UA flights in the past year or so. You're right about 9 arrivals though.
 
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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Sat Feb 06, 2016 2:14 am

Quoting dfwjim1 (Reply 55):

One that comes to mind is KAFW (Alliance) in Fort Worth Texas. Runway 16L/34 R is 9,600 feet long (and being extended)
while 16R/34L is 8,220 feet long. Alliance has no scheduled airline traffic and the only substantial traffic comes from the two
banks of flights that FedEx runs to and from their hub. I have been to the airport several times and every time I go there it
seems like a ghost town.

AFW gets used extensively on military training flights in Texas due to the nice runway and relative quiet.
 
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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Sat Feb 06, 2016 2:39 am

GSO's parallel runway.

For most of its life, GSO was perfectly happy with one main runway and a perpendicular crossing runway. Then, about 15 years ago, FedEx decided to build a hub there. FedEx wanted a parallel runway--capable of simultaneous ops. So, the city built a whole new widebody-sized strip about half a mile away. It required an absolutely incredible earth-moving effort, re-routing of several major roadways, and took hundreds of millions of dollars to construct. Then, FedEx simply changed their minds and never made the airport a hub. Now Greensboro is stuck with a massive airport and no one who uses it.
 
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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Sat Feb 06, 2016 2:40 am

Quoting thegman (Reply 78):
AFW gets used extensively on military training flights in Texas due to the nice runway and relative quiet.

And the T-38s ned the length!

Quoting HALtheAI (Reply 30):
VS4ever's post got me thinking; are there any runways that are used almost exclusively for taxiing instead of take-offs/landings?

BWIs former 4/22 was used for taxiing so much they closed it and turned it into a taxiway.

Quoting BMcD (Reply 4):
Daytona has seen Air Force One fly in there.

Colorado Springs has long runways as well, although we do see AF1 on occasion and some IFE for military aircraft. When the weather is bad, we do see some DEN diversions, but mostly small aircraft.

Springs can have a a very high density altitude in the summer--even small jets can need long runways.
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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Sat Feb 06, 2016 3:05 am

Prince George, BC (YXS), area population about 88,000, 325 air miles north of YVR (about 500 miles by road) has an 11,450 ft. runway, 2nd longest in British Columbia, only 50 feet shorter than YVR's longest and over 300 ft. longer than YYZ's longest runway. It was lengthened from 7,400 ft. in 2012, hoping it might make Prince George an attractive technical stop on cargo flights etc. to/from Asia. It's had one or two 747 freighters and at least 2 Antonov 124s since then, but otherwise it rarely sees anything much larger than Dash 8s and the occasional CRJ. YXS had regular 737 service several times a day for decades starting with CP Air in late 1968.

Quoting YYCSpotter (Reply 65):
North Bay Airport (YYB) has a 10 000ft long runway, and the largest aircraft it sees on a scheduled basis are DHC-8s from Toronto. That being said, it does get some larger aircraft on diversions and military training, but that's about it.

RCAF CF-101 Voodoo supersonic interceptors were based there in the 1960s, and various other military jet types in earlier years.

Quoting novak500 (Reply 73):
Quoting YYCSpotter (Reply 65):
North Bay Airport (YYB) has a 10 000ft long runway,

IIRC the runway was extended to accomodate a G20 meeting in 2010 that was supposed to be in the area, but then got moved to Toronto

No, that had nothing to do with it. As mentioned above it's been 10,000 feet since YYB was an active RCAF base half a century ago.
 
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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Sat Feb 06, 2016 4:03 am

I'll throw AWK into the mix. 9844 ft (3000m) just 20 feet above sea level and the highest pavement rating you can get because there is a good kilometer of coral rock underneath the asphalt.

It was originally built by the FAA (extending the wartime runway from WWII) and was extensively used as a refueling stop up until the early 1970's, when it was turned over to the USAF. These days, it is still used for military flights here and there, and serves as a trans-Pacific ETOPS divert airfield, but rarely sees much traffic. One of those fields that people would say aren't necessary, but when it is, they're glad it is still there.
 
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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Sat Feb 06, 2016 4:45 am

Quoting VS4ever (Reply 27):
Got to throw 14/32 at BOS into the mix for this conversation, built because there was supposedly a need, way too short at 5,000 ft, and then had a hotel built at one end of it, long story behind that one.

Now used primarily as a parking spot for delayed flights and when ops require de-icing.

The last I read it had been very rarely used as it can only work in very limited conditions and only for water direction takeoffs and landings.

I can't comment on how much it's used, but wasn't what you wrote the exact intent of the runway? Unidirectional (primarily for landings on 32), only to be used in weather conditions that precluded other runway configurations, and really only for commuter and regional flights?

As noted, I don't know whether it's fulfilled its intended role or not. My only personal experience on it is as a taxiway to 4R after de-icing.

Quoting VS4ever (Reply 27):

Actually thinking about it, we should add 15L/33R to the mix, the only time this is really used is as a hold position for flights taxiing to/from the 4/22's.

Gets a lot of use as an exit taxiway for 4R landings!

Quoting AviationAddict (Reply 67):
9K uses that one reasonably often for arrivals but even they can't use it for departures with a full load.

Wow, I didn't know anyone landed on that runway! I've always wondered why they didn't just re-mark it as a taxiway.

Quoting Mcoov (Reply 72):

9/27 at BOS is largely uni-directional. I've only ever seen Cape Air departures off 27, and I've never seen arrivals use 9.

True, but the runway does get a lot of use.
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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Sat Feb 06, 2016 4:47 am

Quoting dfwjim1 (Reply 55):
One that comes to mind is KAFW (Alliance) in Fort Worth Texas. Runway 16L/34 R is 9,600 feet long (and being extended) while 16R/34L is 8,220 feet long. Alliance has no scheduled airline traffic and the only substantial traffic comes from the two banks of flights that FedEx runs to and from their hub.

AFW was never designed for scheduled airline traffic. From their web site:

Fort Worth Alliance Airport (AFW) is the world's first 100% industrial airport designed for cargo and corporate aviation. AFW features a vast array of flight services, including air cargo, corporate and military aviation, and is the cornerstone for the nation's fastest-growing industrial complex, the Alliance Global Logistics Hub. There is no finer facility for corporate, industrial/air cargo or military aviation than Fort Worth Alliance Airport.
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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Sat Feb 06, 2016 5:21 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 81):
Prince George, BC (YXS), area population about 88,000, 325 air miles north of YVR (about 500 miles by road) has an 11,450 ft. runway, 2nd longest in British Columbia

Yes, but isn't this topic about least used runways? CYXS may have erred in their business case hoping to attract international cargo flights, but the runway, although overkill lengthwise for its traffic, is certainly heavily utilized on a daily basis.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 81):
It's had one or two 747 freighters and at least 2 Antonov 124s since then

One 744 (once) and one AN-124 (two visits, carrying 7 medium helicopters to & from Africa. That was a fun project). If ever the province imports a firefighting DC-10, it will likely be based at CYXS.
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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Sat Feb 06, 2016 6:01 am

Quoting Flighty (Thread starter):
What are some big, expensive runways (civil...) that get very little use?

CTL, CQM, BER, KSF, RLG, ERF, SZZ, EPAR, TAT are either YMX style airports or no longer used anywhere near their intended capacity due to shifting demand. Lots of places like these throughout the world. No shortage of know-it-all governments producing white elephants like Ford produces cars on assembly lines. Poor taxpayers.
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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Sat Feb 06, 2016 6:05 am

Quoting threepoint (Reply 85):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 81):
Prince George, BC (YXS), area population about 88,000, 325 air miles north of YVR (about 500 miles by road) has an 11,450 ft. runway, 2nd longest in British Columbia

Yes, but isn't this topic about least used runways? CYXS may have erred in their business case hoping to attract international cargo flights, but the runway, although overkill lengthwise for its traffic, is certainly heavily utilized on a daily basis.

I interpreted the subject to be the best runways (presumably, the longest) that are least used for the purpose they were built for. I think the YXS runway meets that definition.

It's similar to runways at the many former USAF bases, sometimes 12,000 or 13,000 ft. long, that once handled B-52s etc., but now often rarely see anything bigger than small turboprops, and often have no scheduled service.

Reminds me of Chippewa County Airport (CIU) that serves the Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan area. It was a USAF B-52 base (Kincheloe AFB) until it was closed in 1977. Scheduled flights later moved from the old airport out to the ex-air force base. It had a 12,000 ft x 300 ft. runway. To reduce maintenance costs, they deactivated almost 5,000 ft. of the runway so it's now only 7,200 ft long which is more than enough for the couple of daily DL (Skywest) CRJs that operate the only scheduled service to DTW. Roughly the opposite of what YXS did. They also reduced the width from 300 to 150 ft. by deactivating the edges of the old B-52 runway.
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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Sat Feb 06, 2016 7:06 am

I'm not sure why OKC has 4 runways, granted one is a 3,000' GA one almost never used. But still don't understand why both 17/35 L & R exist, both are just short of 10,000ft too.
 
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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Sat Feb 06, 2016 2:38 pm

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 58):


I would be curious the last time 06 was used for any sort of landing, I remember growing up in the area in the early 70's and having TWA 747/L10 and EA L10 landings on literally a daily basis. It was not used much for departures though..

I've seen it used in the past year or so on a particularly windy day. I was at the grocery store whose parking lot is about a mile or two from the end of 6. Southwest landed and I remember hearing it before I saw it. It was such a rarity the first thought that went through my head was that a plane was in serious trouble to be coming in from that direction.
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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Sat Feb 06, 2016 7:42 pm

Thanks for this info on CIU and the Google Map link. Very interesting to see the outline of the former base and its utilization now. What was the circular area east of 16/34 used for, I wonder?

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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Sat Feb 06, 2016 9:16 pm

Quoting BryanG (Reply 79):

For most of its life, GSO was perfectly happy with one main runway and a perpendicular crossing runway. Then, about 15 years ago, FedEx decided to build a hub there. FedEx wanted a parallel runway--capable of simultaneous ops. So, the city built a whole new widebody-sized strip about half a mile away. It required an absolutely incredible earth-moving effort, re-routing of several major roadways, and took hundreds of millions of dollars to construct. Then, FedEx simply changed their minds and never made the airport a hub. Now Greensboro is stuck with a massive airport and no one who uses it.

I remember that saga. Originally FX tried to pimp that hub at RDU, but the NIMBYs fought them off so they went to GSO. DId FX ever build anything at GSO? I thought they were going to start a much smaller operation...
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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Sat Feb 06, 2016 9:41 pm

Quoting steex (Reply 3):
Quoting steex (Reply 3):
We may need to differentiate between runways that get very little use and those that are unnecessary, but see a reasonable share of use just because they are there. The notorious 11/29 at STL was all but unneeded before it was completed, but given that it might as well be used, it sees a decent amount of movements from Concourse A carriers.

Sticking with STL, the existence of three parallels has made 6/24 virtually unneeded except in the worst of wind conditions.

Sure enough. We were sold the need for that runway during TWA's heyday and so that F-4 Phantoms could take off for test flights out of McDonnell Douglas without afterburners. I remember going to planning sessions with Leonard Griggs.
 
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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Sun Feb 07, 2016 12:24 am

Quoting DLdiamondboy (Reply 92):
that F-4 Phantoms could take off for test flights out of McDonnell Douglas without afterburners.

I was born in tha STL, and my Dad worked at McDonnell, and I never heard that as the raisin d'etter for 6/24. You learn something new every day!

I never saw any F-4s on that runway. I do remember them lining up in 2x2 on 12R for takeoff, smelled so good...but the F-100s at the Missouri ANG were louder when using reheat...
 
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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Sun Feb 07, 2016 2:26 am

PSM Portsmouth, New Hampshire, formally Pease AFB. Has one of the longest runways on the east coast at 11,500 feet. Aside from ANG tankers, GA, and a few Allegiant flights each week, there's not much going on here. PSM was a backup emergency landing location for the space shuttle.

Brunswick Executive Airport in Maine. BXM, formally Brunswick NAS. Closed in 2011. Two Parallel 8,000 ft runways with ILS, and numerous large empty hangers capable of accommodating up to 3 737s.Massive unoccupied ramp, and modern control tower with ATC radar facilities built a few years before the Navy left. It mostly sits unused. There is small amount of GA and corporate traffic, but thats it.

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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Sun Feb 07, 2016 4:23 am

How about Stewart near Newburg, NY ? Has one of the longest runways on the east coast after JFK, originally an Air Force Base, and still used for the NY Air National Guard with large military freighters and only limited commercial use by non-mainline aircraft.
 
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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Sun Feb 07, 2016 9:11 am

Quoting atct (Reply 74):
Most of the airports discussed (BLV, GYY, LWB) are relatively busy GA airports. They each have a tower, instrument approaches etc. Just because they aren't used by Part 121 airliners that often, some 10+ each day, doesn't mean they aren't valuable. I will take a 10,000ft runway in the King Air over a 4,000ft runway if I have the choice. Just because I only need 3,000ft doesn't mean I consistently operate the aircraft on the margin of its ability.

Going with the spirit of the thread, these airports do have large runways well beyond their utility. They are not very busy as GA airports. BLV ended 2014 with less than 6,000 civilian total operations (about 17 per day) and GYY ended 2015 with less than 18,000 estimated civilian itinerant operations (about 50 per day) and less than 24,000 total (about 66 per day). Even nearby GA airport Lansing Municipal does 163 total operations per day based on 2014 statistics. Contrast that with several airport near where I live in Northern California:
SQL - Over 76,000 itinerant or 119,000 total on a 2,600' x 75' runway
PAO - Over 67,000 itinerant or 191,000 total on a 2,443' x 70' runway
RHV - Over 56,000 itinerant or 143,000 total on a 3,100' x 75' runway
LVK - Over 54,000 itinerant or 117,000 total on a 5,223 x 100' and 2,699' x 75' runway
HWD - Over 51,000 itinerant or 119,000 total on a 5,694' x 150' and 3,107' x 75' runway

Sure its nice to have a longer runway. Former airbases turned over for civilian and GA use can't be faulted for having overbuilt facilities. Not so when big runways are built hoping traffic will follow. I still believe that GYY is a money pit with facilities well beyond what is needed and agree with others that BLV is one of the biggest aviation boondoggles.
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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Sun Feb 07, 2016 9:42 am

In Ecuador, Santa Rosa appears to be well under used:


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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Sun Feb 07, 2016 9:54 am

With a few exceptions, runways are a scarce and expansive commodity all over the World except in USA. This explain why this thread is dominantly US.

However, there are interesting cases out of the US, most being old runways dating back from the time where aircraft were heavily crosswind sensitive (LIS for instance) or close parallel runways built in replacement of the old one.

But the most striking example for me is KIX (Kansai) 2nd runway, 4 000m long and built at huge cost on dedicated reclaimed land 6km offshore in anticipation of traffic surge that never materialized !
 
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RE: Best, Least-used Runways?

Sun Feb 07, 2016 12:18 pm

Actually a lot of these examples come from old US Air Force Bases (usually a SAC base) where you were servicing B-52s and KC-135s.

Not sure why those runways were so wide? To allow for MITO operations?

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