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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 141

Wed Jun 01, 2016 11:25 am

Quoting bbbb (Reply 136):

A daily HKG would need one A330 to pull off, of course contingent on what slots they end up with, but PEK would require 1.5-2 frames per day. Even if we assume the worst case, that's a total of 3 A330s per day required. That leaves an A330 for BNE, MEL and SYD (or even just MEL and SYD, and go back to 738s on BNE transcons) which would be sufficient. I don't think there's any urgent need for more A330s under the stated plans.

The problem is if VA go down to 3 A330's for domestic, their product consistency will be ridiculous. They've put so much money and effort into advertising their coast to coast A330 flights - it would sure as make alot of top-tier frequent fliers very angry to see more 737's than A330's in the schedules.

A couple of 332's shouldn't be too hard to get a hold of these days.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 141

Wed Jun 01, 2016 11:45 am

Quoting ben175 (Reply 150):
A couple of 332's shouldn't be too hard to get a hold of these days.

Hopefully they wouldn't just wet lease aircraft from HU's existing fleet without the latest The Business product.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 141

Wed Jun 01, 2016 12:31 pm

Quoting bbbb (Reply 136):
A daily HKG would need one A330 to pull off, of course contingent on what slots they end up with, but PEK would require 1.5-2 frames per day.

Using the flight times CA use for SYD-PEK, and QF use for SYD-HKG, one plane could fly SYD-HKG-SYD-PEK-SYD in just about 48 hours. Leaving about 1h45m turnaround times in HKG and PEK, and 2 hours in SYD. So you would need just over 2 frames. Domestically, there is a little slack with a plane sitting overnight in SYD, so that slack would make things work.

Quoting ben175 (Reply 150):
The problem is if VA go down to 3 A330's for domestic, their product consistency will be ridiculous.

From the above, you would still essentially have 4 frames for domestic, but now with very little slack in the fleet.

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Wed Jun 01, 2016 1:02 pm

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 152):
Leaving about 1h45m turnaround times in HKG and PEK, and 2 hours in SYD. So you would need just over 2 frames.

That would be tight given there are frequent ATC hold-ups/delays in HKG/PEK (depending on the time of day of course). Depending on the departure ex-SYD, you could also have curfew issues in SYD, so you've got the potential for a perpetuating cycle of delays. For their first foray into Northern Asia, I would think they'd leave a bit more leeway. But of course they need some frames, so VA may need to be aggressive with flight scheduling.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 141

Wed Jun 01, 2016 11:17 pm

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 115):
Some VOR/NDB's will remain in operation. Basically the ones at the larger airports and the ones that are very remote. So, if an individual aircraft lost its GNSS capability, it should still have some sort of ground station somewhere not too far away. Not enough to plan a flight by (GNSS is what we use for this now), but enough coverage so that an aircraft can still navigate safely to a diversion airport.

I have no doubt that the backup network is sufficient. My worry is more general in that as loads of VOR and NDB approaches get removed, (replaced by RNAV/GNSS ones) aircrews stop flying them regularly and thus we have yet another case of basic flying skills being degraded. Potentially problematic if there is a GNSS failure and they are forced to do a VOR approach for the first time since their sim check.

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And, something catastrophic must happen for a big enough outage (ie. we'd probably need to worry about much more than this) to take away GNSS, especially with other nations getting their systems up and running.

I don't know....only a few days ago the whole system was switched off in either Arizona or Utah (can't actually remember which; a friend flying overhead in an A319 sent me a photo of the resulting ECAM message) for a military excercise.

Quoting ben175 (Reply 150):
The problem is if VA go down to 3 A330's for domestic, their product consistency will be ridiculous. They've put so much money and effort into advertising their coast to coast A330 flights - it would sure as make alot of top-tier frequent fliers very angry to see more 737's than A330's in the schedules.
Quoting CXfirst (Reply 152):
From the above, you would still essentially have 4 frames for domestic, but now with very little slack in the fleet.

How much slack is there presently in the A330/T7 fleets? Maybe the airline will drop the Abu Dhabi route and use those spare 777s for PEK flights.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 141

Wed Jun 01, 2016 11:37 pm

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 153):

We have been saying that VA's fleet is not utilised enough on here, I don't see the problem in pushing the A330s out onto new routes to China and letting the 737 fleet pick up the slack. A bit of rationality on the east west routes may also lift the share price if brokers see that they are doing things right (not that the shares are all that liquid, though that's another issue). Re the fleet, all they need to do is ensure that there is enough slack in it to cover the risks. And if that flight was to go from BNE, there would be more slack than SYD given the timing, and perhaps lower frequency of weather diversion.

(As an aside, its kind of interesting seeing VA out there doing things worth talking about too!)
 
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Thu Jun 02, 2016 1:02 am

Do the frequencies have to be used from one particular city? Seeing as there's usually an A330 sitting idle in PER, I'd say something like SYD-HKG-PER-HKG-SYD with one aircraft isn't out of the question (if the seats can be split from different cities).

I'd imagine though PER isn't a priority anymore with the softening mining industry.

Ideally, VA need another 2 A330's. I feel like if they're going to go into China, they need to go in hard and launch daily services with connection banks on either end. With a bit of reshuffling of the domestic flights, a fleet of 8 will easily allow 3 daily PER-MEL and PER-SYD return services, daily SYD-HKG, daily MEL-HKG and a daily SYD/MEL-PEK service. PER-BNE will most likely go back to all 738.

Throw in a ninth aircraft and launch PER-PVG and I'm happy.  
 
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Thu Jun 02, 2016 1:56 am

Quoting ben175 (Reply 156):
Ideally, VA need another 2 A330's. I feel like if they're going to go into China, they need to go in hard and launch daily services with connection banks on either end. With a bit of reshuffling of the domestic flights, a fleet of 8 will easily allow 3 daily PER-MEL and PER-SYD return services, daily SYD-HKG, daily MEL-HKG and a daily SYD/MEL-PEK service. PER-BNE will most likely go back to all 738.

Throw in a ninth aircraft and launch PER-PVG and I'm happy.

Sounds like a good recipe for VA to require a second large capital injection later in 2017 from its generous foreign donors.
 
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Thu Jun 02, 2016 2:13 am

It is quite damming of Borghetti that at the same time as VA is needing up to $800m capital injection from its shareholders to shore up its balance sheet. QF is returning $500m of excess capital to shareholders.

Rather than continue to pursue his dream of becoming a clone of QF and adding more routes that are not making any money, VA needs to focus on battening down the hatches and improving its cash-flow and profitability before thinking about expanding.

Borghetti could be a candidate for the next series of Melbourne Housewives - he fits the mould of someone who likes spending other peoples money.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 141

Thu Jun 02, 2016 2:19 am

Quoting sq256 (Reply 127):
Looking at the application, they specify it would be operated by A330 aircraft. I wonder if this means VA are in planning to acquire/lease more A330s, or if the existing A330s are going to be pulled from some East Coast-Perth runs?

As someone mentioned upthread, one of the subsidiaries in the HNA Aviation Group is a large leasing company which would no doubt be able to mobilise whatever VA needed to either (a) deploy on flights to China or (b) replace the A330s currently on PER services so they can be deployed on China. A333s might be useful for VA!?

As far as HKG goes, I'd suggest thinking a little outside the square. There may be some latent capacity kicking around in the existing VA network which could easily be redeployed to HKG.

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It appears that Turnbull and Shorten each have a RAAF BBJ at their disposal during the federal election campaign plus an Alliance Fokker 70 each accompanying for media. Is this correct?
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Thu Jun 02, 2016 5:37 am

EY has upgraded equipment on 2 routes from today

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Thu Jun 02, 2016 7:51 am

Inaugural AC YVR-BNE is now airborne, currently due to arrive tomorrow just after 7am, operated by C-GHPV

http://www.flightradar24.com/ACA35/9e5ad43
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Thu Jun 02, 2016 10:11 am

I may have been hiding under a rock, but I have heard along the grapevine that Indonesia Air Asia X are suspending their SYD-DPS services effective 1 Sept 16.
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Thu Jun 02, 2016 10:42 am

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 162):

I may have been hiding under a rock, but I have heard along the grapevine that Indonesia Air Asia X are suspending their SYD-DPS services effective 1 Sept 16.

Interesting, thanks for sharing. I've had a quick look at the Air Asia website and I can't see any nonstop SYD-DPS services after Tuesday 30 August 2016, looks like the rumour is true!
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 141

Thu Jun 02, 2016 11:07 am

Apparently Indonesia Air Asia X are reconsidering their overall operation, which was highlighted in the latest Air Asia results.

The main reason given was due to regulatory restrictions.

Will be interesting to see if they keep MEL-DPS going.
 
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Thu Jun 02, 2016 11:09 am

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 162):
I may have been hiding under a rock, but I have heard along the grapevine that Indonesia Air Asia X are suspending their SYD-DPS services effective 1 Sept 16.

Not too surprising considering their recent results, refer to thread below. In their Q1 results AirAsia x said they were revaluating the Indonesia AirAsia X venture.

AirAsia X Post Q1 2016 Results (by KarelXWB May 25 2016 in Civil Aviation)

Have just checked the MEL flights, looks like they have gone as well
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Thu Jun 02, 2016 1:05 pm

Quoting qf789 (Reply 165):
Not too surprising considering their recent results, refer to thread below. In their Q1 results AirAsia x said they were revaluating the Indonesia AirAsia X venture.

AirAsia X Post Q1 2016 Results (by KarelXWB May 25 2016 in Civil Aviation)

Have just checked the MEL flights, looks like they have gone as well

JQ (and VA/TT, GA to lesser extent) must be breathing a sigh of relief! Always a shame to see an airline go and was looking forward to seeing them in BNE...
 
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Thu Jun 02, 2016 1:54 pm

AJ is promising " a very luxurious configuration" for the 787-9 though Y will be 3-3-3

Qantas CEO Alan Joyce has described the airlines' forthcoming Boeing 787-9 as being blessed with "a very luxurious configuration" to match the very long-range routes which the Dreamliner will fly.


Possible routes include MEL-DFW, BNE-DFW, SYD-ORD and PER-LHR

They're all on the list and it depends on the support we get from the various governments to what network we actually settle on" Joyce told media on the sidelines of the International Air Transport Association (IATA) conference in Dublin this week.


On configuration

"You'll see a very luxurious configuration, and it's there for the distances that were flying" Joyce expanded.

"There will be a big business class and a big premium economy cabin", and while the economy seats will be nine-across in a 3-3-3 arrangement, Joyce promises "we will be giving some very good seat pitch for economy seats given the the lengths we’ll be flying."


One possible configuration could be 42 business, 28 premium economy and 165 economy, a total of 235 seats

http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-ceo-p...luxurious-boeing-787-configuration

Possible economy seating, see link below

http://www.ausbt.com.au/is-this-qantas-boeing-787-economy-seat
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Thu Jun 02, 2016 8:20 pm

After having studied the 777-8, Qantas now takes a close look at the A350-900 ULR.

http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-consi...ltra-long-range-airbus-a350-900ulr

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Qantas is weighing up the ultra-long range Airbus A350 for its post-2020 fleet as the airline begins to redraw its network map around non-stop flights of 16+ hours.

Speaking on the sidelines of the International Air Transport Association (IATA) conference in Dublin this week, Qantas CEO Alan Joyce said he was "absolutely" looking at the A350-900ULR, which Asian competitor Singapore Airlines will begin flying in 2018 to relaunch non-stop flights from Singapore to Los Angeles and New York.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 141

Thu Jun 02, 2016 8:44 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 169):
After having studied the 777-8, Qantas now takes a close look at the A350-900 ULR.

I never quite understand why airlines say that trey are looking at this aircraft and that aircraft. Isn't it their job to examine all possibilities?

Tell me when they've bought a certain aircraft, then I'll take notice.

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Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:06 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 170):

I'd imagine it is to satisfy the press and to generate a bit of easy positive publicity. Websites like Ausbt do seem to lap this sort of discussion up with an almost holy zeal!
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Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:31 pm

Quoting alatar144 (Reply 171):
I'd imagine it is to satisfy the press and to generate a bit of easy positive publicity.

It doesn't persuade me.

It happened when AJ said that before confirming the 787 options they had looked at the A350, which was silly. Qantas was wedded to the 787 (game changing, all that) and as well as the millions they received from Boeing for the delays, they had used the 787 as the carrot while they wield the big stick of staff cuts.

The idea that they were going to walk away from those extremely attractive options was never on the cards, so why suggest it?

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Thu Jun 02, 2016 11:11 pm

A small fleet of A350's makes very little sense, so unless they have now looked at different options to have the A350 play a bigger role it just really wont stack up.

Its likely just another way to get Boeing to play ball  
 
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Thu Jun 02, 2016 11:17 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 172):
It happened when AJ said that before confirming the 787 options they had looked at the A350, which was silly. Qantas was wedded to the 787 (game changing, all that) and as well as the millions they received from Boeing for the delays, they had used the 787 as the carrot while they wield the big stick of staff cuts.

The idea that they were going to walk away from those extremely attractive options was never on the cards, so why suggest it?

To get more compensation out of Boeing. And to make sure that their "flexible" options were kept so they had a degree of preference when they did get to exercise them.
 
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Fri Jun 03, 2016 12:53 am

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 173):
Its likely just another way to get Boeing to play ball
Quoting Sydscott (Reply 174):
To get more compensation out of Boeing.

With that long, fairly intense, commitment to the idea of the 787, t's tough to imagine that Airbus (or Boeing) believed Qantas was a genuine customer for the A350.

They're not actually commercially naive in Toulouse - LOL - they've turned away more than one customer who was looking for leverage with Boeing.

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Fri Jun 03, 2016 1:14 am

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 173):
Its likely just another way to get Boeing to play ball
Quoting Sydscott (Reply 174):
To get more compensation out of Boeing.
Quoting mariner (Reply 175):
With that long, fairly intense, commitment to the idea of the 787, t's tough to imagine that Airbus (or Boeing) believed Qantas was a genuine customer for the A350.

They're not actually commercially naive in Toulouse - LOL - they've turned away more than one customer who was looking for leverage with Boeing

I wonder if this isn't about those A380 slots that every day become less likely that QF will take. Makes Airbus play ball on them with the A350 in play.

Sure Boeing will stand up and listen, but it's not like QF only have orders and options with Boeing.

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Fri Jun 03, 2016 1:21 am

Now confirmed

Indonesia AirAsia X will end its flights from Sydney and Melbourne to Bali on September 1, in a move that will frustrate travellers but could benefit rival carriers Jetstar, Virgin Australia, Tigerair Australia and Garuda Indonesia.

"The suspension of these services is part of a network restructuring aimed at improving operational efficiencies at Indonesia AirAsia X," the airline said in a statement.


http://www.smh.com.au/business/aviat...ourne-to-bali-20160602-gpahjk.html

Customers have been informed about the cancellation

Customers received text messages telling them their Indonesia AirAsia X flights had been cancelled but received no explanation why.


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vic...y/49ed8aec7918c282e3b44a36cc7f6110

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Fri Jun 03, 2016 1:59 am

Quoting Boof (Reply 176):
Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 173):
Its likely just another way to get Boeing to play ball
Quoting Sydscott (Reply 174):
To get more compensation out of Boeing.
Quoting mariner (Reply 175):
With that long, fairly intense, commitment to the idea of the 787, t's tough to imagine that Airbus (or Boeing) believed Qantas was a genuine customer for the A350.

They're not actually commercially naive in Toulouse - LOL - they've turned away more than one customer who was looking for leverage with Boeing

I wonder if this isn't about those A380 slots that every day become less likely that QF will take. Makes Airbus play ball on them with the A350 in play.

Sure Boeing will stand up and listen, but it's not like QF only have orders and options with Boeing.

I'm not so sure that QF isn't a genuine customer for the A350 at some stage. The 787 is the perfect aircraft to replace the A330's and do some long haul flying but when it comes to replacing the remaining 744's and, in time, the A380's there is a genuine competition to be had. Not to mention the 99 A320NEO's Qantas has on order. So I doubt Airbus would treat a QF approach in the same way they have treated others doing the simple play off and as Boof says QF does have the A380 slots it needs to figure out what to do with. An order for A350's instead of 777X's would be an easy way to convert those unwanted A380 slots into something of benefit to QF group. (Or even an order for the updated A330 models)
 
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Fri Jun 03, 2016 2:08 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 178):
I'm not so sure that QF isn't a genuine customer for the A350 at some stage.

Oh, sure, but why do it through the media?

Maybe I'm being a bit tough on AJ (he's copped a lot of flak and he's earned the right to enjoy himself) but It isn't just Qantas. Airlines often announce that they're looking at this and that - big woo - and eventually it can get to the level of CEO al-Baker of Qatar Airways, with his pontifications.  

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Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:16 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 179):
Oh, sure, but why do it through the media?

I don't think he necessarily is. The media is asking him for comment, he gave them one which was basically the usual "we're looking at everything", and since they've looked at the 777X it makes sense to now look at the A350. It would be more surprising if they didn't to be honest.

Quoting mariner (Reply 179):
Airlines often announce that they're looking at this and that - big woo -

Exactly but tell that to the media. LOL
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 141

Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:50 am

Quoting qf789 (Reply 168):
depends on the support we get from the various governments

This sort of comment just disappoints me. Looking for subsidies shouldn't be

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 180):
Quoting mariner (Reply 179):Oh, sure, but why do it through the media?
I don't think he necessarily is. The media is asking him for comment, he gave them one which was basically the usual "we're looking at everything", and since they've looked at the 777X it makes sense to now look at the A350. It would be more surprising if they didn't to be honest.

Yeah id agree with this assessment. If asked, he cant go and lie and say no we are not looking at them, where I would bet money on at least some analyst at some level running some numbers of the A350 for QF.
 
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Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:24 am

Quoting qf2220 (Reply 181):
This sort of comment just disappoints me. Looking for subsidies shouldn't be

I don't think he is, I took it as a reference to Air Service Agreements. But who knows?

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Fri Jun 03, 2016 7:43 am

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 182):
I don't think he is, I took it as a reference to Air Service Agreements.

In a report in the West Australia, Aviation Editor Geoffrey Thomas writes

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Qantas will soon enter into discussions with the State Government and Perth Airport on support packages and infrastructure needs for its planned London non-stop service from 2018.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/...non-stop-flight-service-to-london/

The State Government would not be able to offer much support in the way of ASAs, other than possibly saying liberalisation would benefit WA and QF. So I wondered whether QF was wanting to have WA Tourism sponsor QF advertising. On the Airport side of things either better connectivity between T3/4 Domestic and T1 International or the introduction of Border Protection/ Quarantine at T3/4 to facilitate easier connections for intra/interstate passengers?
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Fri Jun 03, 2016 12:20 pm

The biggest issue for Perth-London non-stop would be the the need to rely on domestic-international connections from the East-Coast which makes it less optimal than most other options already available.

The ability to gain a premium on such a flight is also questionable.

I wouldn't expect PER-LHR anytime soon.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 141

Fri Jun 03, 2016 1:12 pm

Quoting qf789 (Reply 166):
QF freight to add DFW in a week's time (9 June)

Will that be using a pure freighter, an Atlas Air 744F ?
 
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Sat Jun 04, 2016 12:21 pm

Lots of diversions due to weather from OOL this afternoon/evening.

JQ VH-VGA diverted on two separate occasions:

JQ967 CNS-OOL diverted to BNE
JQ410 SYD-OOL diverted to BNE

Apart from that, the following diversions to BNE

JQ440 MEL-OOL
VA753 MEL-OOL
JQ494 NTL-OOL
TT618 SYD-OOL
VA535 SYD-OOL
VA1691 CBR-OOL
VA735 MEL-OOL

Likely there were more, these are just the ones I found. Glad I'm not working at OOL today...
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 141

Sun Jun 05, 2016 12:28 am

QF has said that it is not all that worried about VA entering the HK and China markets in the coming year. But they are somewhat quick to get a cheap seat sale out for large parts of the coming year to HK and China.....
 
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Quoting qf2220 (Reply 187):
QF has said that it is not all that worried about VA entering the HK and China markets in the coming year. But they are somewhat quick to get a cheap seat sale out for large parts of the coming year to HK and China.....

It's just a normal part of their sales/promotions, not sure the VA announcement has anything to do with it. VA haven't even gotten slots/approval/alliance regulatory approval so why respond to something that may or may not happen.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 141

Sun Jun 05, 2016 2:36 am

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 185):
Will that be using a pure freighter, an Atlas Air 744F ?

Yes correct

EK boss says EK's focus for Australia is to boost capacity on existing routes instead of starting new services to secondary cities

http://australianaviation.com.au/201...y-to-australia-on-existing-routes/
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 141

Sun Jun 05, 2016 2:53 am

Hi all. I'm a first time poster. Signed up a few months ago but had trouble joining the forum. An email yesterday and they got me sorted! Been following this thread about ten years now so have taken the plunge. I'm in OAG so only see ZL here. As from my user name I favour QF. I'm not far off lifetime silver status, all self funded flights.
Company I work for favours VA and I have nothing against them. I don't get to fly for work though.

I'm glad to see Flypelican doing well. I notice on the CASA register they now have four aircraft. Wondering if there will be more new routes to come after DBO. I had a couple flights on the J32 when Brindabella operated OAG - SYD a few years ago. Loved the QF codeshares. Hope one day OT might do it too.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 141

Sun Jun 05, 2016 3:15 am

Quoting qf789 (Reply 189):
EK boss says EK's focus for Australia is to boost capacity on existing routes instead of starting new services to secondary cities

http://australianaviation.com.au/201...y-to-australia-on-existing-routes/

Hardly surprising. People love the idea of Broome, Alice Springs flights etc but they realistically are not going to happen. Broome doesn't currently have a A320/737 flights to DPS or SIN, would be a big step to have 777 flying to DXB!

Will be interesting to see where they expand. Not sure BNE is in need of any extra capacity at the moment, but not sure any of the other cities are either. Now that QR and EY are finally starting to catch up, EK doesn't have the advantage it once had.

Quoting qf2048 (Reply 190):
Hi all. I'm a first time poster. Signed up a few months ago but had trouble joining the forum. An email yesterday and they got me sorted! Been following this thread about ten years now so have taken the plunge. I'm in OAG so only see ZL here. As from my user name I favour QF. I'm not far off lifetime silver status, all self funded flights.
Company I work for favours VA and I have nothing against them. I don't get to fly for work though.

I'm glad to see Flypelican doing well. I notice on the CASA register they now have four aircraft. Wondering if there will be more new routes to come after DBO. I had a couple flights on the J32 when Brindabella operated OAG - SYD a few years ago. Loved the QF codeshares. Hope one day OT might do it too.

Welcome! Can't say I know much about OAG, but given current expansion, maybe potential for JG service to BNE/MEL in the future? Security screening might be the only issue there. OAG seems to be of equivalent size to DBO and TMW so definitely possible.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 141

Sun Jun 05, 2016 3:40 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 186):
Lots of diversions due to weather from OOL this afternoon/evening.
VH-OEH diverted to CBR this morning from HKG and spent a few hours before resuming its destination to SYD.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 141

Sun Jun 05, 2016 3:44 am

Welcome! Can't say I know much about OAG, but given current expansion, maybe potential for JG service to BNE/MEL in the future? Security screening might be the only issue there. OAG seems to be of equivalent size to DBO and TMW so definitely possible.


The local council have spent a lot of money on the OAG airport in the last couple of years. New terminal and increased the runway length. Local media reported they have just got more funding from the state (i think) government to re surface the runway. We do get the odd Alliance charter arrive here. Newcrest have a mine here and I think thats something to do with them. A QFlink 717 touched down here last week with a mine charter from NT. Council actually put a video of it on you tube. Largest jet to land and take off here since the runway upgrades. I missed it!
Not sure how JG would go. Company I work for is headquarted in Brisbane and staff do go up there a bit via SYD. I know they would need to put in security screening which they have allowed room for. ZL would not be happy about that if their passengers had to use it too. Problem here is Sydney is 3.5 hours away driving if you plan you times. Lots of people drive to SYD to catch interstate flights.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 141

Sun Jun 05, 2016 6:18 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 191):
Will be interesting to see where they expand. Not sure BNE is in need of any extra capacity at the moment, but not sure any of the other cities are either. Now that QR and EY are finally starting to catch up, EK doesn't have the advantage it once had.

My thought on EK capacity expansion is that it probably involves them switching out some current A380 service into their 2 class configuration. There are possibly times where EK may not need their First class so could be an easy way to incrementally expand. I doubt we'll see an increase in the actual number of flight for a little while.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 141

Sun Jun 05, 2016 6:28 am

There were dramas at OOL last night at TruemanQLD alluded to.

At one point there was 50cm of standing water over T'way Echo, thus preventing aircraft from taxiing onto the apron. A JQ flight got in around 2150 and was able to go via one of the small t'way.

D7 from AKL needed to be shut down on T'way Alpha and was towed into the apron, as there was lots of FOD they were reluctant to allow them to power thru. Tower was suggesting BNE might have been better.


Anyway today turned up a brilliant morning for the second of Air Canada's BNE flights. A beautiful aircraft and its great to see them here in BNE.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 141

Sun Jun 05, 2016 6:44 am

It really is hard to see much immediate frequency growth for EK in Australia any time soon.

With their partnership with QF it has:

SYD 4 X daily (3 X EK, 1 X QF)
MEL 4 X daily (3 X EK, 1 X QF)
PER 2 X daily
BNE 2 X daily
ADL 1 X daily

Further to that:

- PER was once 3 X daily but was moved back to 2 X daily, and they seem happy with that level of frequency at this stage. It has focused on using the A380 instead to boost capacity in that market.
- BNE could well be a chance for an added frequency to try and squeeze out the potential of QR or increased EY service. Either that or maybe looking at removing the 1-stop option for a non-stop flight, but that does reduce the freight capacity it can offer.
- ADL is currently not a market that is handling EK and QR together that well currently, so we will see how that plays out.
- SYD and MEL would more than likely have some network / capacity changes before additional frequency. This could involve moving the remaining 1-stop flights to non-stop, whilst relying more on dedicated SkyCargo flights to handle the freight demand.

We will see, but with EY flexing its muscle more these days and QR looking at further expansion opportunities EK will likely find it harder to take its next steps than it had in the past.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 141

Sun Jun 05, 2016 9:40 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 191):
Hardly surprising. People love the idea of Broome, Alice Springs flights etc but they realistically are not going to happen. Broome doesn't currently have a A320/737 flights to DPS or SIN, would be a big step to have 777 flying to DXB!

As someone that actually works at BME airport, it astounds me that I've even seen these rumours. The airport isn't even close to being capable of handling a 777. Nor is the demand in BME remotely close. BME struggles to even sustain a 1 weekly 737 to BNE and even the 2-weekly 737 to SYD seems to be more than sufficient (and only runs in dry season).

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 141

Sun Jun 05, 2016 10:10 am

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 196):

SYD 4 X daily (3 X EK, 1 X QF)
MEL 4 X daily (3 X EK, 1 X QF)

AKL is now 4x Daily, and soon to be 4x Daily A388. Surely BNE could handle another flight if AKL could? maybe another BNE to somewhere e.g. NAN?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 141

Sun Jun 05, 2016 10:34 am

^^ AKL has mainly had that level of service to give EK additional revenue raising opportunities during the downtime they would have had at MEL/SYD/BNE.

Using that logic on a 14+ hour sector for DXB-BNE doesn't work as well, but I do see BNE getting another EK frequency at some point.

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