Moderators: richierich, ua900, hOMSaR

 
Faustino927
Topic Author
Posts: 244
Joined: Sun Mar 26, 2006 11:54 am

F/A's On Cargo Planes

Fri Aug 08, 2008 8:48 pm

Hello everyone. This might seem like a dumb question but do Cargo planes carry Flight Attendants? I was just wondering.
Obsessed is just a word the lazy use to describe the dedicated.
 
PhilSquares
Posts: 3371
Joined: Sun Mar 28, 2004 6:06 pm

RE: F/A's On Cargo Planes

Fri Aug 08, 2008 9:06 pm



Quoting Faustino927 (Thread starter):
Hello everyone. This might seem like a dumb question but do Cargo planes carry Flight Attendants? I was just wondering.

No, no flight attendents. It's all self-service!
Fly fast, live slow
 
HT
Posts: 5864
Joined: Sat May 07, 2005 6:20 am

RE: F/A's On Cargo Planes

Sat Aug 09, 2008 6:06 am



Quoting Faustino927 (Thread starter):
do Cargo planes carry Flight Attendants

Only on flights of a combi like the B747-400M carrying pax and freight on the main deck.
-HT
Carpe diem ! Life is too short to waste your time ! Keep in mind, that today is the first day of the rest of your life !
 
wilco737
Posts: 7275
Joined: Sun Jun 20, 2004 12:21 am

RE: F/A's On Cargo Planes

Sat Aug 09, 2008 6:47 am



Quoting Faustino927 (Thread starter):

We don't have any F/As.

WILCO737 (MD11F)
 airplane 
 
User avatar
HAWK21M
Posts: 30067
Joined: Fri Jan 05, 2001 10:05 pm

RE: F/A's On Cargo Planes

Sat Aug 09, 2008 9:41 am

The Flying crew are their own FAs,there is assistance from the jumpseaters though  Smile
regds
MEL
I may not win often, but I damn well never lose!!! ;)
 
DABZF
Posts: 1063
Joined: Mon Mar 15, 2004 10:25 pm

RE: F/A's On Cargo Planes

Sat Aug 09, 2008 11:53 am

Actually I can remember hearing that LH (or German Cargo?) used to have them on the 742F's (I think it goes back to the 80's or possibly early 90's). Not sure if they were on the flights only when animal attendants etc were on board or on every flight!?

Maybe WILCO you can ask from the old guys... if there are still some around...   

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 4):
there is assistance from the jumpseaters though

as per my experience it's the other way around... pilots helping me around  

[Edited 2008-08-09 04:56:06]
I like driving backwards in the fog cause it doesn't remind me of anything - Chris Cornell
 
wilco737
Posts: 7275
Joined: Sun Jun 20, 2004 12:21 am

RE: F/A's On Cargo Planes

Sat Aug 09, 2008 12:53 pm



Quoting DABZF (Reply 5):
Maybe WILCO you can ask from the old guys... if there are still some around...

I will ask them, but not that I know of. Only some freight attendants are on board from time to time. But they are not familar with the galley and usually we have to help them to find the stuff in there Big grin

But it has advantages not to have an F/A with you. The captain serves you diner Big grin In which job does your boss prepare the diner for you?  Wink

WILCO737 (MD11F)
 airplane 
 
BMED
Posts: 722
Joined: Thu Dec 30, 2004 11:01 pm

RE: F/A's On Cargo Planes

Sat Aug 09, 2008 3:36 pm

On a similar note I noticed on a facebook photo that EK had 2 flight attendants on a delivery flight. Do all airlines do this as well cause I heard that every 20 minutes they have to walk through the cabin to check for smoke/fire etc. Felt a bit sorry for them as they had to wear full uniform!
Living the jetset life! No better way to be
 
DABZF
Posts: 1063
Joined: Mon Mar 15, 2004 10:25 pm

RE: F/A's On Cargo Planes

Sat Aug 09, 2008 7:28 pm



Quoting DABZF (Reply 5):
Maybe WILCO you can ask from the old guys... if there are still some around...

...just to make sure... with that I meant if there are still some old 742 pilots around who might remember the old times  Smile
I like driving backwards in the fog cause it doesn't remind me of anything - Chris Cornell
 
wilco737
Posts: 7275
Joined: Sun Jun 20, 2004 12:21 am

RE: F/A's On Cargo Planes

Sat Aug 09, 2008 9:28 pm



Quoting DABZF (Reply 8):
...just to make sure... with that I meant if there are still some old 742 pilots around who might remember the old times Smile

Oh, we still have a lot of DC8 Cargo pilots at LH Cargo  Wink They are nearly 65 years old Big grin

WILCO737 (MD11F)
 airplane 
 
dc863
Posts: 1480
Joined: Fri Jun 04, 1999 10:52 am

RE: F/A's On Cargo Planes

Mon Aug 11, 2008 4:18 am

BOAC had FA's for the flight crews on their 707 cargo aircraft.
 
SQ25J
Posts: 253
Joined: Sat Feb 07, 2004 3:26 am

RE: F/A's On Cargo Planes

Sun Aug 17, 2008 5:48 pm

Almost positive LH had them. Their former 742F's had (12) J seats, (5: 3+2 in cockpit), and A FA JUMPSEAT in upperdeck cabin. Furthermore the galley, (rear bulkhead), was very large and had containers that could hold 3-4 meals for 18 people, etc.
They also had an emergency briefing card, (similar to that found on pax AC).

NW had them....possibly until mid 90's. Discovery Channel had a documentary long time ago that showed a NW cargo flight....they showed/mentioned a FA onboard to serve.

Not sure, but possibly Asian carriers JAL, CX.

Also perhaps Cargolux...long time ago.
 
PhilSquares
Posts: 3371
Joined: Sun Mar 28, 2004 6:06 pm

RE: F/A's On Cargo Planes

Sun Aug 17, 2008 7:16 pm



Quoting SQ25J (Reply 11):
NW had them....possibly until mid 90's. Discovery Channel had a documentary long time ago that showed a NW cargo flight....they showed/mentioned a FA onboard to serve

I can categorically say it's wrong. I used to work for NW and there were never any flight attendants on the freighters.

Quoting SQ25J (Reply 11):
Almost positive LH had them. Their former 742F's had (12) J seats, (5: 3+2 in cockpit), and A FA JUMPSEAT in upperdeck cabin. Furthermore the galley, (rear bulkhead), was very large and had containers that could hold 3-4 meals for 18 people, etc.
They also had an emergency briefing card, (similar to that found on pax AC).

On the 744Fs that are with SQ, there are 6 seats in the upper deck, a galley with space for all meals plus 2 jumpseats on the flight deck. There are no flight attendants there. Just because there are seats and a galley doesn't mean anything. When we take "supernumerary" crew (read couriers, groom, etc.) there are no flight attendants. We give them a safety brief, show them how to work the galley and they're on their own.
Fly fast, live slow
 
SQ25J
Posts: 253
Joined: Sat Feb 07, 2004 3:26 am

RE: F/A's On Cargo Planes

Sun Aug 17, 2008 8:07 pm

With all due respect......

I am 99% certain I remebered the Disc Channel documentary on NWA Cargo..."Around the World..Cargo"..something like that.... that they had a FA. Perhaps it was JUST FOR THAT SHOW/SEGMENT....As mentioned the show was a long time ago and I have not seen since.

With LH.....I stated there was, (still is in current operators). a FA JUMPSEAT. If no FA was going to ever be utilized they would most likely tear it out or not even put there in first place!!
(General rule of thumb with freighters....whatever is not necessary is removed to save weight).

I just mentioned there was, (is), a very large galley on fromer LH 742F's COMPARED to other 741, 742, and 744F's I have been on.

I am aware that virtualy all freighters today are "self-service"....and that the operating crew will brief any riders on emergency procedures and galley operations.
 
PhilSquares
Posts: 3371
Joined: Sun Mar 28, 2004 6:06 pm

RE: F/A's On Cargo Planes

Sun Aug 17, 2008 10:30 pm



Quoting SQ25J (Reply 13):
With all due respect......

I am 99% certain I remebered the Disc Channel documentary on NWA Cargo..."Around the World..Cargo"..something like that.... that they had a FA. Perhaps it was JUST FOR THAT SHOW/SEGMENT....As mentioned the show was a long time ago and I have not seen since.

I left NWA in 1996 and in my 14 years there, I can guarantee you there was never a single flight attendant on any cargo flight. I can say that with 100% certainty!

In fact, NWA was so cheap, on the freighters the galleys did not even have a coffee maker. So, if you think Donald Nyrop, Steven Rothmier or Checci and Wilson would have ever paid for a flight attendant on a freighter you are sadly mistaken.
Fly fast, live slow
 
isitsafenow
Posts: 3413
Joined: Sun Feb 01, 2004 9:22 am

RE: F/A's On Cargo Planes

Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:49 pm



Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 14):
So, if you think Donald Nyrop, Steven Rothmier or Checci and Wilson would have ever paid for a flight attendant on a freighter you are sadly mistaken.

"Uncle Donnie" Nyrop's regime sent CLE an error notice once saying we use too many staples in reports we sent to the G.O.(General Office--MSP) and a note"...how staples cost the company $XXX a year....".
I'M NOT KIDDING!!!!
safe
If two people agree on EVERYTHING, then one isn't necessary.
 
wilco737
Posts: 7275
Joined: Sun Jun 20, 2004 12:21 am

RE: F/A's On Cargo Planes

Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:33 pm

Maybe it is even good that there are no F/As on cargo planes. I am happy when I can get up every now and then and stretch my legs in the galley. And then I am alone back there, walking up and down the galley, get something to drink... And not sitting on my seat for so long. I know I could do all that with the F/A in the galley as well... But it is ok the way it is. I like it.

WILCO737 (MD11F)
 airplane 

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: masi1157 and 41 guests

Popular Searches On Airliners.net

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos