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Pushback-speed Limitations?

Sun Feb 16, 2003 12:09 pm

The topic-question-line speaks for itself,I wanna know if there is a speed limit for airliners esp.at large airports when backing away from the terminal regardless if being towed or powering back using thrust reverse and if yes what is the speed limitation?I have also noticed it can be quite different depending on which airport you are,on european ones like FRA or ZUR pushback is rather "fast" while on US- and other airports it´s roughly at "walking speed" ,I wonder if different techniques are used here or if it´s just done the same way everywhere except at different speeds ?
Thanks for enlightening me.

Marco
 
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RE: Pushback-speed Limitations?

Sun Feb 16, 2003 8:01 pm

I don't think that there are any speed limits for a pushback. I think most of the airlines require wingwalkers when you pushback so the speed is usually kept to a walking pace. Besides the faster you are going the longer it takes to stop. If something happens you want to be able to stop as fast as possible so a slower push is considered safer.
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RE: Pushback-speed Limitations?

Sun Feb 16, 2003 11:37 pm

There's no speed limit for pushbacks where I work, but we're advised to push at a walking speed, and it's usually no faster than 10 MPH. I think it's stupid to push a plane back fast because it's not safe, you've got to think faster and there's a greater risk of something going wrong. Pushing back slower is MUCH better than doing it faster. Yeah, it might take like 3 seconds more, but it's safer.

When I first started working at the airport, there was this lunatic who intentionally pushed an A330 REALLY fast, he had the tug in high speed gear and just floored it. The people on board must have be started and I'm sure that captain was mad.
 
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RE: Pushback-speed Limitations?

Mon Feb 17, 2003 7:17 am

At the airline I work at, pushbacks should not be any faster then walking speed.
 
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RE: Pushback-speed Limitations?

Mon Feb 17, 2003 9:30 am

HAECO has just been told here that they are to pushback 'as slow as possible'. Those exact words. Our pushback the other day took 7 minutes to complete!! We complained and I think they have gone back to normal walking speed now. Ridiculous!
 
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RE: Pushback-speed Limitations?

Mon Feb 17, 2003 11:42 am

Speaking of aircraft towers, what are the qualifications do you have to have for employment as an aircraft tower? Or do you have to do other things too besides towing?

And is the technical term for this position?
 
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RE: Pushback-speed Limitations?

Mon Feb 17, 2003 12:48 pm

With my company, in order to be able to push and tow an aircraft you must have a valid drivers license, and be checked out on the tow vehicle, and aircraft, you will be using.

As far as a technical term, rampers come to mind, but as maintenance, we usually request a "push crew"

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RE: Pushback-speed Limitations?

Tue Feb 18, 2003 2:06 pm

It really depends on how the station in question is configured. Large hub crews may do everything to a certain aircraft, or have a specific job (arrival, offload, etc.) This way things are more efficient. With that, there is a departure team that does that and only that for the day/week/what have you. WN at ONT is a great example of this. Im sure their bigger stations have something like it as well.

Oh, one word of advice... Dont push an MD-80 with those small tugs built for the 732/3... it will work, but when it rains it WONT.
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RE: Pushback-speed Limitations?

Tue Feb 18, 2003 2:25 pm

We have been advised on numerous occasions to push at "walking speed", mainly so the headset operator or mechanic can keep up (no, our tug drivers don't get on the head-set, we have a separate guy for that). That said, it's always fun to mess with them and see how fast "walking speed" can really be...

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RE: Pushback-speed Limitations?

Tue Feb 18, 2003 5:40 pm

pushback speed depends on flight crew request
some crew advice me that i can pushback faster even have to run
especially the japanese i dont know why....anyone hhas idea?
 
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RE: Pushback-speed Limitations?

Wed Feb 19, 2003 3:16 am

In my days as a pushbacker, we had no speed limit but believe me, when you're pushing a big one, you definitely don't want to speed!
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RE: Pushback-speed Limitations?

Sat Feb 22, 2003 4:39 am

There isn't speed limit during the pushback. But it is true that in Europe they push faster than in the US specially in some airport as FRA end LHR. In FRA they push very fast specially when the aircraft are parked to gate B26-27 and B46-47 that are the very close to the main taxiway N.

 
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RE: Pushback-speed Limitations?

Sat Feb 22, 2003 9:32 pm

The speed depends from a lot a factors. The main factor are the judgment of pushbaker. In MXP there is a order from airport authority that limit the pushback speed at walking speed.
In CUN in HAV they pushback very fast because it's time for siesta.
 
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RE: Pushback-speed Limitations?

Sat Feb 22, 2003 10:18 pm

You don't want to go faster then the guy on the headset good way to trip him or her up.

People have lost limbs or worse getting run over by the nosewheel when that happens.
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RE: Pushback-speed Limitations?

Sun Feb 23, 2003 4:25 am

A walking pace is ideal, because if you have to make a sudden stop during the pushback (like say another a/c taxis behind where you're supposed to be going, I had that happen a few times, the ramp tower didn't tell the pilots about the a/c coming past), so that you don't potentially cause any damage to the a/c (especially the nose gear) or injuries to the crew or passengers. The only time I would do a pushback faster than a walking pace would be if the a/c was going out empty (or was a ferry flight) or the spot we were pushing out of was a straight shot.

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