Jan Mogren
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N Or C/N Or S/N Or MSN Or What?

Tue Mar 26, 2002 5:19 pm

Hi all,
in data base, the photographers remarks are often used to give the previous history of the aircraft, which I think is nice. Construction number so and so, ex-reg this and that.. Fine.  Wink/being sarcastic
When checking the new uploads today I saw some confusing stuff though. A line like N6543 N17385 ex:9N-BAX
(just an example Helge..)
Does this aircraft have two N regs??
Seems to me this N17385 number is actually the C/N or Construction number. Some uploaders call it S/N for some reason.
It should read C/N 17385 so that it is clear that it means construction number. This number follows the airframe through its entire life and helps us track it down. Registrations may change 50-60 times during the years but the c/n remains the same.
Am I making sense here?
/JM
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RE: N Or C/N Or S/N Or MSN Or What?

Tue Mar 26, 2002 5:47 pm

Always a contentious subject, but you're making perfect sense.

I must admit that just "N" was a new one on me when I saw it for the first time here, but variously in other publications people seem to use C/N (construction number), S/N (serial number), MSN (manufacturers serial number), and of course for Boeings from time to time you see L/N (line number - the sequence in which the airplane was built) quoted. Generally, it seems to be that US publications prefer to use MSN, whilst European publications use C/N.

I agree that a standard for airliners.net would be nice.

Andy
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RE: N Or C/N Or S/N Or MSN Or What?

Tue Mar 26, 2002 6:14 pm

Maybe Johan can add a MSN field??? That is what I would like.

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Jan Mogren
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RE: N Or C/N Or S/N Or MSN Or What?

Tue Mar 26, 2002 6:19 pm

Yes, could be a solution.
/JM
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RE: N Or C/N Or S/N Or MSN Or What?

Tue Mar 26, 2002 9:26 pm

A (searchable) field for the construction number I would appreciate very much: It would be great to get all photos to a specific plane (identified by manufacturer and construction number) to document the track of the entire life.

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RE: N Or C/N Or S/N Or MSN Or What?

Tue Mar 26, 2002 10:14 pm

That would be excellent!
/JM
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RE: N Or C/N Or S/N Or MSN Or What?

Tue Mar 26, 2002 10:43 pm

Perhaps a c/n field could be added to the photo upload page as well to encourage people to put this info (if known)
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N Or C/N Or S/N Or MSN - Standard

Tue Mar 26, 2002 10:53 pm

Airliners.net DOES have a standard for the listing of construction numbers, as determined by our Standardisation Editor some time back, namely:
(cn 99999)
or for including the line number (aka fuselage number):
(cn 99999/999)

Many photographers do follow the standard, others go their own way ... oh well  Sad

We suggest that the construction number is listed at the start of the comments, but that is just a guideline as we don't want to make too many rules for the Remarks field.

We did consider adding a field for the construction number at one time (around the 80k photo mark), but what made us decide against it was the amount of work it would have involved to transfer the existing ones to that field ... we had just finished doing the Registration number transfer after that field had been added, and none of us was really keen to take on a job that size again. And now, with 220k of photos online, the task would be even greater ...

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RE: N Or C/N Or S/N Or MSN Or What?

Wed Mar 27, 2002 12:04 am

A dedicated field would be VERY interesting, specially having in mind that we are in front of the biggest aviation photo database.

Huge work? Perhaps it would be a good practice for the new database standarization assistants!

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