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Question For Hardcore Spotters/enthusiasts

Fri Apr 11, 2003 6:08 am

Its obvious that many of you guys live for (commercial) aviation. What's stopping you from becoming pilots?
Kurt
 
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RE: Question For Hardcore Spotters/enthusiasts

Fri Apr 11, 2003 6:11 am

My age...

I did do the selections at the KLS (KLM Flight Academy, one of the best aroudnd) but at the psychological part I was found to be to young in spirit, not mature enough..lol.. Big grin

But I am definately going to try it again in 2 years.

Wietse
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RE: Question For Hardcore Spotters/enthusiasts

Fri Apr 11, 2003 6:24 am

the money's not good enough...
Jason Taperell - AirTeamImages
 
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RE: Question For Hardcore Spotters/enthusiasts

Fri Apr 11, 2003 6:27 am

We all need interests outside of work.

Computer networking is my job, and aircraft photography is one of my hobbies - simple as that.

After a hard day at work, chilling out at the airport is just what is needed.

Regards,
Craig.
 
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RE: Question For Hardcore Spotters/enthusiasts

Fri Apr 11, 2003 7:22 am

Some people are just fascinated by flight, but are not the ones to do the flying...When I was young my eyesight was too bad to go the military aviation route, so my career went in other directions. But my love of airplanes + the fun of photography has become a great and rewarding hobby. Sure there are times when I wish I could be behind the controls of a P-38 or a Spitfire...but most of the time I am more thrilled with the idea of being in the photo plane so I can get the shot of the Spitfire....

My work is a high stress, frequently confrontational business where one gets to see a rather ugly side of humanity. To sit and watch the planes come and go and to try to capture them on film in just that perfect shot...makes the other crap go away. (And then when some ad agency buys one of my photos and I get a check for just hanging out and relaxing I am even more happy!!!  Smile )

 
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RE: Question For Hardcore Spotters/enthusiasts

Fri Apr 11, 2003 7:38 am

Because the money of getting started...
Go big or go home
 
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RE: Question For Hardcore Spotters/enthusiasts

Fri Apr 11, 2003 7:52 am

Well, I always wanted to be a pilot when I was a kid ... that is before I realised there was so much maths and science involved! Went down some different paths ... came close to a career in photography instead, but like so many ended up in IT  Smile

Funnily enough its only when I got to my late 30s that my 2 true lifelong passions (aircraft and photography) came together. Mind you, I don't really fancy the life of a commercial pilot anymore, but if I ever win the lottery, I'd certainly learn to fly.

Cheers,

Colin

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RE: Question For Hardcore Spotters/enthusiasts

Fri Apr 11, 2003 8:06 am

I am 15 and I am currently working on getting my private pilots license. I have always wanted to become a airline pilot. Hopefully I will.



Andrew
 
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RE: Question For Hardcore Spotters/enthusiasts

Fri Apr 11, 2003 8:31 am

I always wanted to be a commercial pilot, too...I went all the way through my Private, IFR, Commercial, CFI, and ME ratings and then decided that I didn't want to do it anymore. Maybe it was the lousy experience of being a CFI? Maybe it was because I finished up my last rating just as the economy went south? Who knows...Instead of taking that route, I decided to stay in college, try a few things (ATC training) and finish up my Masters in Aviation Admin. and eventually a doctorate. Who knows where that will lead...I want a job in airport ops, but my wife seems to think I will end up as a Prof.

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RE: Question For Hardcore Spotters/enthusiasts

Fri Apr 11, 2003 8:42 am

A good number of us are on our way to becoming pilots, myself included  Smile
 
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RE: Question For Hardcore Spotters/enthusiasts

Fri Apr 11, 2003 8:46 am

Just because someone enjoys airplanes, does not mean they want to become a pilot. I worked on and around airplanes for my entire career while in the Navy, even flew in some of the jets, but my love of aviation during those years was in fixing them, not flying them. I got immense satisfaction from getting dropped off at a strange airport, and being told "give us a call when it's fixed..and we'll come pick you up..", then spending the next day of two fixing a "broke" jet. I must admit it was fun flying back in the plane I fixed though. Yes, they would let me fly it, but most of the time I just turned on some tunes and enjoyed the scenery...

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RE: Question For Hardcore Spotters/enthusiasts

Fri Apr 11, 2003 8:51 am



Well before I relized I was mature enough to manage a cockpit I was in my late 30s and $$$$ were short.Though I am a PPL now.

So because aviation has always had a BIG place in my heart I looked to other alternatives and through watching Discovery Wings channel I heard about Aircraft Dispatchers and within the next week I should have my license.

Aviation photography allows me to use some skills as a PRO portrait photographer for 20 years and it make a great extension for my love of airplanes.

Regards


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RE: Question For Hardcore Spotters/enthusiasts

Fri Apr 11, 2003 9:54 am

To me, the excitement is trying to get cut in half my a P51. Watching scenery from inside I can do that anywhere  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Question For Hardcore Spotters/enthusiasts

Fri Apr 11, 2003 10:11 am

Glenn...you sure the excitement is not in keeping ADG from shoving you in front of that P-51? Watch it when they start buying the life insurance!  Smile
 
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RE: Question For Hardcore Spotters/enthusiasts

Fri Apr 11, 2003 11:15 am

well as much as she may want to, I am more than happy to be jumping in front of it  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Question For Hardcore Spotters/enthusiasts

Fri Apr 11, 2003 11:30 am

I've always been a huge aviation enthusiast. I could tell a 727-100 from a 727-200 by the age of 7. But I have never ever had the desire to be a pilot. In fact, I was enrolled and all ready to start a commercial pilot training program last year, but when I took some initial flying lessons and got to thinking about it as a career, I didn't like the idea or the flying lessons and I withdrew from the training program before I started.

I'd rather be riding along in first class anyway...  Big thumbs up

Brian
 
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RE: Question For Hardcore Spotters/enthusiasts

Fri Apr 11, 2003 11:52 am

I'm actually going to get my pilot's licence and will be majoring in Aviation Maintnenance at a university(not sure which one yet for me I have 2 schools in mind that accepted me). Mabye I will be the next mechanic with ramp access and hangar too with a private prop plane at a small airport like someone I know.


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RE: Question For Hardcore Spotters/enthusiasts

Fri Apr 11, 2003 12:27 pm

As of now, still have 1 year before I can solo in the USA courtesy of the FARs. Right now I have 40 takeoffs/landings and 13.5 dual flight hours in C152s and C172s however  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Closer to my 16th birthday I'll pick things up a bit.. After that, I'll try and schedule the checkride on my 17th. From there on I hope to get my instrument and multi-engine. Then on my 18th I'd like to get my commercial "fly-for-hire" rating (the shit). From there on I'm not sure what I'll do to get to an airline.. probably a non-aviation major with the flying on the side. Might also consider the USAF or the Coast Guard.
 
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RE: Question For Hardcore Spotters/enthusiasts

Fri Apr 11, 2003 1:19 pm

Don't do it Serge, don't become a bus driver!

Fly Navy

v/r
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RE: Question For Hardcore Spotters/enthusiasts

Fri Apr 11, 2003 2:14 pm

Lets see.....

Wanted to become a pilot.
Eyes didn't allow it.
Went to University and studied Photojournalism.
Got my PPL, 20+ hours Hot Air Balloons, Glider Rating, CFIG.
Became a photographer.
Hired to shoot planes.
Aircraft company goes south.......
Laid off.
No job, no money, no fun. no flying.

They call it life.

Steve
 
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RE: Question For Hardcore Spotters/enthusiasts

Fri Apr 11, 2003 3:27 pm

Hi,

I am unfortunatly colour blind

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RE: Question For Hardcore Spotters/enthusiasts

Fri Apr 11, 2003 8:37 pm

Less than perfect eyesight has been my reason. Back in my youth I joined the USAF Reserves and, after taking all the tests, got a call from a personnel guy. Based on my scores and a degree in Aeronautical Engineering, he asked me if I wanted to fly C-141's. It was a one-year program consisting of initial pilot training thru checkout in the C-141. I told him that would be wonderful but asked him to look at the eye test results from my physical.....he did and then offered me the choice between air cargo and admin specialist!

That all happened in 1971 and since that time I have gotten my private, commercial, instrument and multi-engine ratings/licenses and have logged over 1600 hours in the air. I currently own a 1966 Beechcraft Debonair that I have flown all over the United States.

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Do I still regret never having flown for a living....probably yes, but the way things are going with the airlines and the TSA hassles crews are subjected to these days my regrets have considerably lessened.

Ralph Pettersen

 
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RE: Question For Hardcore Spotters/enthusiasts

Sat Apr 12, 2003 4:43 am

Sorry that I assumed that most of you want to fly. I would also think it would be very stimulating to work in or around these birds!
I'm surprised that the advances in Optometry haven't help those of you who still want to fly. Thanks to all of you who responded!

 
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RE: Question For Hardcore Spotters/enthusiasts

Sat Apr 12, 2003 6:25 am

I always wanted to be a pilot from the earliest times I can remember. Nohting thrilled me more than thinking one day I'd be catapulted off of a pitching carrier deck. Then, at 13, I was diagnosed with a heart condition. Gone were my dreams of becomming a jet jockey. I did manage to get my PPL in the 70's with a medical waiver. Now, here's the kicker. In 1991 I found out that I really didn't have a heat condition. It was either miss-diagnosed at the time or something I grew out of. When I think about it, it had two major impacts on my life: First, it kept me from my dream of an aviation career, and second, it kept me out of Vietnam. Interesting now to look back and think about all that.

Art
 
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RE: Question For Hardcore Spotters/enthusiasts

Sat Apr 12, 2003 10:56 am

As you've read, many of us ARE pilots.
Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
 
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RE: Question For Hardcore Spotters/enthusiasts

Sat Apr 12, 2003 11:31 am

I've always wanted to fly since I was 5 years old. When I was in middle school, I started to get into aviation photography and after my 8th grade gradaution, my parents let me take some flying lessons. Since I started flying when I was 14, I only got to fly at least once a month til I was 16 and eventually soloed by then. So I am one of the guys who have 70+ hours getting his PPL and 1 fascinating hour MEL in the Piper Aztec that my friend let me control his plane around. After I gradauted from highschool, I did the same route as JeffM did 20+ years back, enlisted in the military. I was thinking first of to join the Marines but I was too small, so I joined the Navy as my fascination to aviation and ocean life. I love the sea and I love to travel by boat also. Currently I am serving in the United States Navy as an Aviation Machinist Mate, we are the TRUE aircraft mechanics in the Navy. Without us, the jets wouldn't even fly because we repair and do major overhuals on the engines. I am not in a squadron as I am intermediate maintenance level on the F-14s. I plan on finishing all my flight training and perhaps get my A&P mech. license and plan on staying the in navy for 20 years, probably retiring as an officer.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Kevin
 
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RE: Question For Hardcore Spotters/enthusiasts

Sat Apr 12, 2003 11:37 am

Not a pilot, but I'll be writing my congressman to request a nomination to attend the U. S. Air Force Academy next year.  Smile

Photography in general is one of my major hobbies, I'll always be taking pictures, up until the day I die.

Shawn
 
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RE: Question For Hardcore Spotters/enthusiasts

Sat Apr 12, 2003 11:42 am

Well I'm no commercial pilot, but next year I'll be an official Private Pilot! WISH ME LUCK I SOLO TOMMORROW!!!!

co
 
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RE: Question For Hardcore Spotters/enthusiasts

Sat Apr 12, 2003 1:36 pm

Excepting childhood, never really had the inclination. I have/had some ear problems and flying can get very painful and uncomfortable, so a career in that would not be a pleasurable line of work for me.

But, being a airplane junky led me to my first airport job, which led me here. Even though I don't fly, I work around the beasts and thats good enough for me!

regards,
Tom
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RE: Question For Hardcore Spotters/enthusiasts

Sat Apr 12, 2003 1:50 pm

I have the attention span of a flea, and I suck at math (double negative for me  Sad ). I'd love to become a pilot one day, but the schooling is way too expensive.
 
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RE: Question For Hardcore Spotters/enthusiasts

Sat Apr 12, 2003 2:39 pm

I would love to be a commercial pilot, but I cannot afford it. I cannot afford the many years of poverty level wages and lousy working conditions to finally get a good job with a major airline, only to be laid off a few months later. I will just have to stick with my well paying civil servant job with job security and great benifits.
 
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RE: Question For Hardcore Spotters/enthusiasts

Sun Apr 13, 2003 8:04 am

Pilots only get pain an average wage. Nothing special. and it has a massive initial finantial outlay.

I am going into engineering. Much better. More Money. Smaller Ego.
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RE: Question For Hardcore Spotters/enthusiasts

Sun Apr 13, 2003 8:42 am

I wish I could but I have evry strong glasses. (-5.3 where -5 is the maximum allowed)
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RE: Question For Hardcore Spotters/enthusiasts

Tue Apr 15, 2003 3:58 am

I was just too dumb to be a pilot!! Took up an ATC career instead!!!
 
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RE: Question For Hardcore Spotters/enthusiasts

Tue Apr 15, 2003 4:36 am

I fly as a hobby, just like I take pictures as a hobby. This means I can fly where I like, when I like (budget allowing). If I want to stop somewhere for lunch, I can, and if I want to move on somewhere different, I can do that too. The concept of being told to report at 05:30 and do two LHR-GLA round trips before going home at 16:40, only to have to do it all again the next day just leaves me cold.

Andy
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RE: Question For Hardcore Spotters/enthusiasts

Tue Apr 15, 2003 5:18 am

Too expensive to get training, and too old to be hired without it (even if airlines were hiring these days).
I also have some doubts whether I would pass the physical for a commercial license.

Did some research, training up to CPL would cost me about €100000 minimum (plus experience hours needed) when doing it fulltime in 3 years.
During that same time I'd lack a regular income, which costs me another €90000 or so, for a total cost of over €250000 (if you include the cost of renting aircraft to get hours etc.).
Don't know about you, but I don't have that kind of money. And if I did I doubt I'd spend it in the hope of getting a job which for the first several years would pay me a lot less than I make now (many beginning pilots need to hold 2nd jobs or have a working partner because their income is pretty low).
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RE: Question For Hardcore Spotters/enthusiasts

Tue Apr 15, 2003 5:25 am

You can do a full AB-initio up to ATPL theory in 18 months full time for about 60000-70000 Euro. Cost of living 30000 a year???

Staffan

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RE: Question For Hardcore Spotters/enthusiasts

Tue Apr 15, 2003 5:42 am

Not cost of living, missed income. That's cost too if you consider you would have had the money available to you otherwise.

The 70K is an absolute minimum, only works if you pass every test first try and use the minimum legal number of hours.
90% of students don't, need 30-50% more which is why I use a figure of 100K (which I've also seen mentioned as an average).
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RE: Question For Hardcore Spotters/enthusiasts

Tue Apr 15, 2003 6:20 pm

Er.. actually, I am a pilot !

I just soloed in that taildragger :


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RE: Question For Hardcore Spotters/enthusiasts

Wed Apr 16, 2003 8:00 pm

Well I grew up between Mexico and Brussels, so I started flying early in the mid 70's.
As soon as I was aware off a carreer in the future, I knew I was going to be the man who flies these machines...
But then years went by and finally I noticed that maybe my knowledge in science and maths wouldn't serve my future airline career. So I left my life follow other paths, but I 'm happy.

I will probably try to get the private license...

I love photography, and I love aviation for more than 15 years and I think both disciplines are a great mix...
I still like getting near the airfield and smelling the vapours of kerosene even if I'm not going to fly.
Just watch the aircrafts and try to imagine what exact phase are the pilots going thru...

Fabrice
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RE: Question For Hardcore Spotters/enthusiasts

Thu Apr 17, 2003 2:25 am

This is for Ben (LGW):
when i went to get my 2nd class medical a few weeks ago i found out that i had a "color vision deficiency"...i'm not completely colorblind, but it's just a little minor thing that restricts me from flying at night now....but i went to another doctor and took other tests and i was able to pass those...i don't know if this would help in your situation but if it was because of one doctor, a second opinion can't hurt you much....i found out a lot of stuff about this (at least in regards to the FAA here in the US) when i got this restriction on my medical certificate...

anyway, on with the story...
ever since i was really young i've always been fascinated with airplanes, and from a young age i also wanted to become a pilot either commercial or military. over the past few years i've leaned towards commercial aviation as my hobby for photography has picked up tremendously, and i am working on my private license right now. it is expensive, but it really is worth it, and the only thing i regret is not starting to fly earlier. i've had the bug forever, and it's just now that i'm starting to earn my wings....aviation photography is an aside for me right now as i am concentrating for the most part on my flying...
i don't think i can go the military route due to my eyesight (i have to wear corrective lenses/contacts) but i would love to have the opportunity to fly a fighter...i might try and join the air force reserve though....

this fall i'll be attending jacksonville university and their partnership with the Delta Connection Academy...i'll be flying down there (hopefully have ppl and instrument ratings done) and so i can start on commercial this fall...then go through everything else and eventually get hired on....but my goal now is to become a commercial airline pilot, and then get my own plane whenever i can....i also think it would be interesting if i could be a missionary pilot for some time...i'd love to do that!

anyway, i'm working my way up there....just wait  Laugh out loud basically if i'm not flying airplanes, i love to be around them and take pictures of 'em! Bailey and TripIET are my idols, i can't wait to be up and flying around and be able to take pictures like that...

you can see me spotting at an early age here http://av8rphotos.com/earlyphotos.html

jonathan d.
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RE: Question For Hardcore Spotters/enthusiasts

Thu Apr 17, 2003 10:22 pm

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