Hi all,
Please list down as many 6th, 7th, 8th & 9th freedom rights sectors that you can think of.
For 6th freedom, I wish to narrow it down to services on a SINGLE aircraft and/or flight numbers only, e.g. Air Tahiti Nui's TN102 AKL-(PPT)-LAX, or Lan's LA600 EZE-(SCL)-LIM-LAX service.
For 9th freedom, at first I thought it might be Qantas' domestic services in New Zealand but I'm not sure if it's considered a NZ-registered company (local) or Australian (foreign). That is probably the case for numerous BA franchises abroad too.
Also, please do not include intra-European Union (EU) flights by EU-registered airlines, as these sectors bear more resemblance to "domestic" flights because of the common market regulations, e.g. Irish-registered Ryanair operating out of their Stockholm hub does not count.
Thanks.
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Just to recap the definitions, courtesy of http://ostpxweb.dot.gov/aviation/Data/freedoms.htm
Sixth Freedom
This term is applied to Fifth Freedom traffic carried from a point of origin in one foreign country to a point of destination in another foreign country via the home country of the airline. (e.g. KLM, carries sixth-freedom traffic between New York (A) and Cairo (C), carrying passengers traveling from New York (A) to Amsterdam (B) and on to Cairo (C).)
Seventh Freedom
This term is applied to an airline's operating turn around service and carrying traffic between points in two foreign countries without serving its home country (e.g., Lufthansa operates between New York (A) and Mexico City (B) without serving Germany (B)).
Eighth Freedom
This term is used to refer to "consecutive or fill-up" cabotage in which an airline picks up traffic at one point in a foreign country and deplanes it at another point in that same foreign country as part of a service from the home country of the airline (e.g., Singapore Airlines enplanes traffic at Wellington (A) and deplanes it in Auckland (B) as part of its service between New Zealand and Singapore (C)).
Ninth Freedom
This term is used to refer to "pure" cabotage in which an airline of one country operates flights and carries traffic solely between two points in a foreign country (e.g., Air France operates flights between Berlin (A) and Frankfurt (B))
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RE: Examples Of 6th/7th/8th/9th Freedom Rights Routes
KEno:
As someone has already pointed out in another thread that you are too focused on six-freedom flights rather than traffic. FWIW, when two countries negotiate an air services agreement, usually only the first five freedom rights are included. Only recently has seventh freedom for cargo operations is included. That's why UPS and FedEx can operate trans-shipment centers in Asia and Europe. I am not aware of any passenger seventh-freedom rights being given out by any countries.
Sixth freedom is never explicitly negotiated because it is nearly impossible to enforce. For example, EK can offer a free stopover package for passengers traveling between India and the US. Then, instead of being six-freedom traffic from India to the US, it becomes two third-/fourth-freedom sectors, one originates in India, the other originates in Dubai.
Australia and New Zealand has, or had, a single-market agreement. That's why ANZ was able to own 50% of Ansett (and for a short while, 100% of Ansett), as well as operate international flights out of Australia. Australia, and probably New Zealand, does allow foreign entities to be the majority owner of an Australian domestic airline. But to operate domestic flights in Australia, the airline has to be registered in Australia. So foreign airlines can't operate domestic flights in Australia.
As someone has already pointed out in another thread that you are too focused on six-freedom flights rather than traffic. FWIW, when two countries negotiate an air services agreement, usually only the first five freedom rights are included. Only recently has seventh freedom for cargo operations is included. That's why UPS and FedEx can operate trans-shipment centers in Asia and Europe. I am not aware of any passenger seventh-freedom rights being given out by any countries.
Sixth freedom is never explicitly negotiated because it is nearly impossible to enforce. For example, EK can offer a free stopover package for passengers traveling between India and the US. Then, instead of being six-freedom traffic from India to the US, it becomes two third-/fourth-freedom sectors, one originates in India, the other originates in Dubai.
Australia and New Zealand has, or had, a single-market agreement. That's why ANZ was able to own 50% of Ansett (and for a short while, 100% of Ansett), as well as operate international flights out of Australia. Australia, and probably New Zealand, does allow foreign entities to be the majority owner of an Australian domestic airline. But to operate domestic flights in Australia, the airline has to be registered in Australia. So foreign airlines can't operate domestic flights in Australia.
RE: Examples Of 6th/7th/8th/9th Freedom Rights Routes
Thanks Dynkrisolo.
I've understood the concept of 6th freedom from the previous thread. It's just that I'm interested to find out more about flights that resemble TN102 AKL-(PPT)-LAX i.e. a single aircraft service that originates from a foreign country, via the home country, to another foreign country. I just think that such routings are quite rare to find. I can see that there are many many other 6th freedom traffic, like SQ's Europe<->Australia.
Does Continental Micronesia's Island Hopper service considered as 8th freedom? It's a Guam(US)-registered airline, but is allowed to carry domestic passengers in 2 foreign countries : Republic of Marshall Islands (Majuro<->Kwajalein) and Federated States of Micronesia (Truk<->Pohnpei<->Kosrae). Aloha Airline's Honolulu-Majuro-Kwajalein also carries domestic passengers within Republic of Marshall Islands.
Also, what about SQ's plan to operate SYD-LAX? Is it going to be a stand alone service, or SIN-SYD-LAX? Where does that fit into all this?
regards,
KEno
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I've understood the concept of 6th freedom from the previous thread. It's just that I'm interested to find out more about flights that resemble TN102 AKL-(PPT)-LAX i.e. a single aircraft service that originates from a foreign country, via the home country, to another foreign country. I just think that such routings are quite rare to find. I can see that there are many many other 6th freedom traffic, like SQ's Europe<->Australia.
Does Continental Micronesia's Island Hopper service considered as 8th freedom? It's a Guam(US)-registered airline, but is allowed to carry domestic passengers in 2 foreign countries : Republic of Marshall Islands (Majuro<->Kwajalein) and Federated States of Micronesia (Truk<->Pohnpei<->Kosrae). Aloha Airline's Honolulu-Majuro-Kwajalein also carries domestic passengers within Republic of Marshall Islands.
Also, what about SQ's plan to operate SYD-LAX? Is it going to be a stand alone service, or SIN-SYD-LAX? Where does that fit into all this?
regards,
KEno
[Edited 2004-07-25 16:52:15]
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RE: Examples Of 6th/7th/8th/9th Freedom Rights Routes
I just think that such routings are quite rare to find.
Same flt no. might be rare, but same aircraft is more common than you would think. After all, the incoming aircraft will have to be redployed to somewhere else. But it might not be to the same city everyday of the week.
I can see that there are many many other 6th freedom traffic, like SQ's Europe<->Australia.
On the same route, you also have major players like CX, TG, MH and EK.
Republic of Marshall Islands (Majuro<->Kwajalein) and Federated States of Micronesia (Truk<->Pohnpei<->Kosrae).
For small countries that can't support their own international airlines, it's not uncommon they "cede" their international rights to neighboring airlines. Then, I would personally treat those airlines as a native airline, in another word, those airlines represent multiple countries. If I understand correctly, for example, the US State Department actually represents Marshall Islands for all foreign-affair matters.
Also, what about SQ's plan to operate SYD-LAX? Is it going to be a stand alone service, or SIN-SYD-LAX? Where does that fit into all this?
Since there are more SIN-SYD flights than there would be SYD-LAX, then it can easliy be arranged as an extension of an existing flight, bit it doens't need to be same aircraft. So, it'll be fifth freedom. It's unlikely SQ would operate as a stand-alone flight and venture into the realm of seventh freedom.
RE: Examples Of 6th/7th/8th/9th Freedom Rights Routes
6th freedom: Avianca CCS-BOG-UIO, CCS-BOG-GYE
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