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tu204 wrote:Damn.
They stalled on the right wing. Either that or the controls got damaged from the fire.
Phosphorus wrote:Il-112 prototype.
https://russianplanes.net/reginfo/89339
Crashed not far from Moscow, with casualties.
Eyewitness video:
https://t.me/breakingmash/27251
Aesma wrote:If you listen to some on this site (and I don't pretend to know better) aerial firefighting is a waste of time.
Phosphorus wrote:Phosphorus wrote:Il-112 prototype.
https://russianplanes.net/reginfo/89339
Crashed not far from Moscow, with casualties.
Eyewitness video:
https://t.me/breakingmash/27251
Final moments of the flight, caught on camera:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDJ4Ukl5H3Y
casinterest wrote:Phosphorus wrote:Phosphorus wrote:Il-112 prototype.
https://russianplanes.net/reginfo/89339
Crashed not far from Moscow, with casualties.
Eyewitness video:
https://t.me/breakingmash/27251
Final moments of the flight, caught on camera:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDJ4Ukl5H3Y
They lost an engine, I just wonder if they turned off the wrong one in the cockpit and lost lift.
Zeppi wrote:Deary me, that thing lit up like a blowtorch!
How is that even possible? An engine fire shouldn't be a big deal nowadays, but then this is Russia...
RIP to the crew, what a terrible way to go. Looks like they stood no chance, struggled to keep it level soon after the fire starts an then just roll over
estorilm wrote:Zeppi wrote:Deary me, that thing lit up like a blowtorch!
How is that even possible? An engine fire shouldn't be a big deal nowadays, but then this is Russia...
RIP to the crew, what a terrible way to go. Looks like they stood no chance, struggled to keep it level soon after the fire starts an then just roll over
Just a prototype, so you're more likely to get fitment , interference, or pipe fitting problems with the plumbing. I suppose an engine failure could have also damaged fuel lines also - but any disconnect or damage to the primary fuel line after those high pressure pumps will create an absolute torrent of jet-a.
casinterest wrote:Phosphorus wrote:Phosphorus wrote:Il-112 prototype.
https://russianplanes.net/reginfo/89339
Crashed not far from Moscow, with casualties.
Eyewitness video:
https://t.me/breakingmash/27251
Final moments of the flight, caught on camera:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDJ4Ukl5H3Y
They lost an engine, I just wonder if they turned off the wrong one in the cockpit and lost lift.
T54A wrote:casinterest wrote:Phosphorus wrote:
They lost an engine, I just wonder if they turned off the wrong one in the cockpit and lost lift.
Lift doesn’t come from engines, it comes from the wings.
casinterest wrote:T54A wrote:casinterest wrote:
They lost an engine, I just wonder if they turned off the wrong one in the cockpit and lost lift.
Lift doesn’t come from engines, it comes from the wings.
Well yes, but you need thrust/Speed to have that lift. They lost the right engine , and while maybe they had more issues with the engine failure as alluded to in the previous post, there have been other incidents due to miscalculations in the cockpit on what occurs during recovery.
All armchair from my side, but if the plane wasn't recoverable, then that will be in the black box investigation.
I looking at the video more, it definitely looks like they lost control and lift on the right side. Did they try to turn, and couldn't come back due to control failures?
casinterest wrote:T54A wrote:casinterest wrote:
They lost an engine, I just wonder if they turned off the wrong one in the cockpit and lost lift.
Lift doesn’t come from engines, it comes from the wings.
Well yes, but you need thrust/Speed to have that lift. They lost the right engine , and while maybe they had more issues with the engine failure as alluded to in the previous post, there have been other incidents due to miscalculations in the cockpit on what occurs during recovery.
All armchair from my side, but if the plane wasn't recoverable, then that will be in the black box investigation.
I looking at the video more, it definitely looks like they lost control and lift on the right side. Did they try to turn, and couldn't come back due to control failures?
tu204 wrote:casinterest wrote:T54A wrote:
Lift doesn’t come from engines, it comes from the wings.
Well yes, but you need thrust/Speed to have that lift. They lost the right engine , and while maybe they had more issues with the engine failure as alluded to in the previous post, there have been other incidents due to miscalculations in the cockpit on what occurs during recovery.
All armchair from my side, but if the plane wasn't recoverable, then that will be in the black box investigation.
I looking at the video more, it definitely looks like they lost control and lift on the right side. Did they try to turn, and couldn't come back due to control failures?
The right engine was clearly producing negative thrust. And they didn't feather the prop. Curious as to "why".
PIC was experienced. Test pilot, Hero of Russia.
Noray wrote:After the drop, why did they fly towards that high mountain ridge at all, instead of away from it? Bad flight planning? Navigation error? Communication error? Overconfidence? Or were they, after technical problems, hoping to crash land on the mountain slope like that Transall in Corsica in 1995?
And with the engines placed above and behind the wings to protect them from the water, do they lose power at high angles of attack? Could this have happened as the water was unloaded while the aircraft was climbing uphill?
Phosphorus wrote:estorilm wrote:Zeppi wrote:The jury's still out, but engine trouble, for Il-112, is more than "fitment or pipe fitting problems with the plumbing".
GDB wrote:A long way from the warzone;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8imDVXHmRM8
Phosphorus wrote:MiG-31 down in Russian Far East, apparently no casualties:
https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/3282 ... -in-russia
Quite positive, as MiG-31 is capable of carrying Kinzhal missiles, and these were known to be deployed against Ukraine.
747classic wrote:A Russian AF Mig-31 crashed during a training flight in Kamchatka Peninsula, Russia, and the crew is being searched.
Original uploaded by @southpatt at twitter, see : https://twitter.com/southpatt/status/16 ... 0323353600
GDB wrote:In the East, a Mi-26 has a ground accident;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIy4y5NkC_c
Insert clown music of your choice.